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Ok... I really need a high speed spindle machine that is bigger, faster and
has better wear characteristics than the Taig. The Hurco is coming along nicely, but it definitely does not have a high speed spindle. Not even close. I've played with the idea of just using a router on it like I did the Taig, but then its kind of a headache to deal with switching spindles in control. No horrible, but not great. I have not found a speed multiplier I can afford so I was thinking about making my own belt drive spindle with pulley's to multiply speed, and then just mount it with a router-esque style spindle mount on the quill of the Hurco. Yeah, it's a lot of work, but with some planning I would not have to do any controler changes when going from one spindle to the other. Just load a different machine profile depending on which spindle I planned to use. This leaves coolant spray. At 25K-35K RPM even a 1/32" cuter throws coolant everywhere. I put the Taig in a full enclosure because of it, and it works pretty good. Putting the Hurco in a full enclosure is problematic at best. If I stick with 5000 RPM and slower machining with the stock spindle (not suited for my most common jobs) I could use a fence on the table, like Iggy and other have used on their knee mills, but it won't even come close to containing the spray of a high speed spindle. Maybe some form of accordion way covers that slide on rails inside the the top of the fence pushed back and forth by the quill? Alternatively, I could just use the Hurco to make gantry style router machines. Well some of the parts. My concern then is (as the title of this post says) is rigidity. Most gantry router machines are made out of aluminum. Since I actually push a cutter hard enough to momentarily bog a 1HP router from time to time would they be rigid enough for the job? I really don't have or plan to have the facilities to melt and pour cast iron so my thoughts were could I get somewhere in between by making the gantry routers out of C-channel steel. The Hurco could certainly do all the cutting on it. My big concern is that I recall discussions here and elsewhere about harmonics, etc in regards to why machine tools are machined cast iron rather than steel. No I can't really afford the step up to a "real" high speed machine yet. |
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On 2011-09-22, Bob La Londe wrote:
Ok... I really need a high speed spindle machine that is bigger, faster and has better wear characteristics than the Taig. The Hurco is coming along nicely, but it definitely does not have a high speed spindle. Not even close. I've played with the idea of just using a router on it like I did the Taig, but then its kind of a headache to deal with switching spindles in control. No horrible, but not great. I have not found a speed multiplier I can afford so I was thinking about making my own belt drive spindle with pulley's to multiply speed, and then just mount it with a router-esque style spindle mount on the quill of the Hurco. Yeah, it's a lot of work, but with some planning I would not have to do any controler changes when going from one spindle to the other. Just load a different machine profile depending on which spindle I planned to use. This leaves coolant spray. At 25K-35K RPM even a 1/32" cuter throws coolant everywhere. Are you sure of this statement? i I put the Taig in a full enclosure because of it, and it works pretty good. Putting the Hurco in a full enclosure is problematic at best. If I stick with 5000 RPM and slower machining with the stock spindle (not suited for my most common jobs) I could use a fence on the table, like Iggy and other have used on their knee mills, but it won't even come close to containing the spray of a high speed spindle. Maybe some form of accordion way covers that slide on rails inside the the top of the fence pushed back and forth by the quill? Alternatively, I could just use the Hurco to make gantry style router machines. Well some of the parts. My concern then is (as the title of this post says) is rigidity. Most gantry router machines are made out of aluminum. Since I actually push a cutter hard enough to momentarily bog a 1HP router from time to time would they be rigid enough for the job? I really don't have or plan to have the facilities to melt and pour cast iron so my thoughts were could I get somewhere in between by making the gantry routers out of C-channel steel. The Hurco could certainly do all the cutting on it. My big concern is that I recall discussions here and elsewhere about harmonics, etc in regards to why machine tools are machined cast iron rather than steel. No I can't really afford the step up to a "real" high speed machine yet. |
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"Ignoramus10693" wrote in message
... On 2011-09-22, Bob La Londe wrote: Ok... I really need a high speed spindle machine that is bigger, faster and has better wear characteristics than the Taig. The Hurco is coming along nicely, but it definitely does not have a high speed spindle. Not even close. I've played with the idea of just using a router on it like I did the Taig, but then its kind of a headache to deal with switching spindles in control. No horrible, but not great. I have not found a speed multiplier I can afford so I was thinking about making my own belt drive spindle with pulley's to multiply speed, and then just mount it with a router-esque style spindle mount on the quill of the Hurco. Yeah, it's a lot of work, but with some planning I would not have to do any controler changes when going from one spindle to the other. Just load a different machine profile depending on which spindle I planned to use. This leaves coolant spray. At 25K-35K RPM even a 1/32" cuter throws coolant everywhere. Are you sure of this statement? Well, my router(s) turns upto 35K (actually a little faster no load - checked with an optical tach) and coolant hits all four walls of the enclosure. Well three. The front is a clear plastic shower curtain until I get around to making a plexiglass door. It hits the sides solidly upto about a foot above the table at over a foot away from the cutter in all directions. Not a solid stream, but some spray hits every surface of the enclosure including the roof. You might argue that the air from the router fan is part of the problem, but the net result is the same. Most of my cutting is with larger than 1/32", but it throws coolant around too. Or were you arguing that what I am using isn't really coolant? LOL. Or the semantics of the word "everywhere" since you probably haven't felt any spray from my machine(s). ROFL. |
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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... Ok... I really need a high speed spindle machine that is bigger, faster and has better wear characteristics than the Taig. The Hurco is coming along nicely, but it definitely does not have a high speed spindle. Not even close. I've played with the idea of just using a router on it like I did the Taig, but then its kind of a headache to deal with switching spindles in control. No horrible, but not great. I have not found a speed multiplier I can afford so I was thinking about making my own belt drive spindle with pulley's to multiply speed, and then just mount it with a router-esque style spindle mount on the quill of the Hurco. Yeah, it's a lot of work, but with some planning I would not have to do any controler changes when going from one spindle to the other. Just load a different machine profile depending on which spindle I planned to use. This leaves coolant spray. At 25K-35K RPM even a 1/32" cuter throws coolant everywhere. When you get up to that speed, you probably would be better off running dry. High-speed milling is generally done dry these days, or with a very lean mist of vegatable oil. VW uses peanut oil. At those speeds, in commercial milling of steel or iron, cutters typically are multi-coated. If the top coat or the second coat is aluminum oxide, as it often is for cutters made for high-speed machining, using coolant will wreck your cutters in a hurry. I put the Taig in a full enclosure because of it, and it works pretty good. Putting the Hurco in a full enclosure is problematic at best. If I stick with 5000 RPM and slower machining with the stock spindle (not suited for my most common jobs) I could use a fence on the table, like Iggy and other have used on their knee mills, but it won't even come close to containing the spray of a high speed spindle. Maybe some form of accordion way covers that slide on rails inside the the top of the fence pushed back and forth by the quill? Alternatively, I could just use the Hurco to make gantry style router machines. Well some of the parts. My concern then is (as the title of this post says) is rigidity. Most gantry router machines are made out of aluminum. Since I actually push a cutter hard enough to momentarily bog a 1HP router from time to time would they be rigid enough for the job? I really don't have or plan to have the facilities to melt and pour cast iron so my thoughts were could I get somewhere in between by making the gantry routers out of C-channel steel. The Hurco could certainly do all the cutting on it. My big concern is that I recall discussions here and elsewhere about harmonics, etc in regards to why machine tools are machined cast iron rather than steel. No I can't really afford the step up to a "real" high speed machine yet. |
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