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i have cleaned up a good bit of the lot and now have several piles of yard waste to get rid of. I would like to chip and shred the stuff and then rototill it in to some places where the soil could use more organic matter. The closest place to dispose of yard waste is a fair ways away and if I do that I still need to do something to improve the soil. So does anyone have plans for a well designed chipper shredder? Dan |
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On Jun 3, 6:20*pm, Rich Grise wrote:
So does anyone have plans for a well designed chipper shredder? What am I missing here? Wouldn't it make more sense to rent one for a day than to build one from scratch that you're only going to use once? Have Fun! Rich I expect to use it every year. Right now I am looking at about a week and a half of shredding. But probably only two or three days a year after I get caught up. Dan |
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wrote in message ... i have cleaned up a good bit of the lot and now have several piles of yard waste to get rid of. I would like to chip and shred the stuff and then rototill it in to some places where the soil could use more organic matter. The closest place to dispose of yard waste is a fair ways away and if I do that I still need to do something to improve the soil. So does anyone have plans for a well designed chipper shredder? Woody material ( which is typically what people use chippers for ) isn't going to improve the soil much by itself, you need to also add copious amounts of green stuff, and it's better to compost it all in a pile first rather than to simply till under. In the absence of leafy greens, you can add high nitrogen fertilizer to the pile but... Anyways, I strongly suggest rent a commercial chipper with 35+hp engine if you have several days worth of chipping to do, IOW a heavy duty trailer mounted jobbie....then take your time find something off of craigslist or nickle ads locally for future use. As far as home-owner grade...definately pass on anything that uses a verticle shaft lawnmower type motor or you'll be sorry... As a point of refrence, mine is a "bearcat"....it's pto drive that attaches to the 3point hitch on my tractor which has 23hp @ at 540...it is not a "planer blade" type, rather, it has a disc that's about the size of a 33-1/3 rpm lp record and 3/8 in thick with a single tooth mounted to it.... RPM is increased via Vee belt appears to be 1 to 3 ratio so the main chipper disc I would estimate runs ~2500 rpm, it is about 12 in diameter and has a single tooth about 4in long located at about 10 inches along the diameter, and is guaged to cut at a chipload of about .125 per revolution IIRC so guessing it's probably processing at ~ 6000 or so sfm. After that, the chips fall into what is basically a hammer mill, 4 rows of with 6 flails each on a drum.... there is also a top hopper that you can use to shove small dry sticks and green shubs and that kind of **** into...goes directly to the hammermill...there is a screen under the hammermill that the finished product falls out of....it's made from 1/4in steel and has ~1in diameter holes drilled in a 1-1/2in grid pattern. I might be able to get some pictures if your interested in the actual design details but.... --my main point is that it's still not quite as powerfull as I would like--IIRC it will run 3in diameter green woody branches at a rate of about 5 ft/ min on a good day but at that size material frequently have to stop feeding in order to keep the engine from bogging down and possibly stalling..... FWIW, I have a fairly large burn pile I'm going to torch probably tomorrow and pretty sure I haven't used the chipper in at least 5 years. Oops--it's actually a "mighty mac"...it's probably rated ~4 x 4 in--sorry but at quick glance I din't see any model numbers. http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/a...hty-mac-sm.jpg Again, suggest first try the rental unit, ~40 horsepower......get er done !!! -- |
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Why not rent one and put the chips where you want - and roto-till
the results into a compost pile or into the ground. When Tree people were here to clear a line - I had two trucks dump their loads on my side yard along our long driveway. We plan on raking it out to improve the ground a bit like you. Now a year and a half, most of each hill is great looking compost. Going to be nice starter stuff. The stacks were smoking while they were cooking and decomposing. I let them smoke. Fire was not my worry. Martin On 6/3/2011 4:12 PM, wrote: i have cleaned up a good bit of the lot and now have several piles of yard waste to get rid of. I would like to chip and shred the stuff and then rototill it in to some places where the soil could use more organic matter. The closest place to dispose of yard waste is a fair ways away and if I do that I still need to do something to improve the soil. So does anyone have plans for a well designed chipper shredder? Dan |
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wrote: On Jun 3, 6:20*pm, Rich Grise wrote: So does anyone have plans for a well designed chipper shredder? What am I missing here? Wouldn't it make more sense to rent one for a day than to build one from scratch that you're only going to use once? Have Fun! Rich I expect to use it every year. Right now I am looking at about a week and a half of shredding. But probably only two or three days a year after I get caught up. Dan I use my **** shaker (compost screener) one day per year. The rest of the time it takes up about 1.5 square feet of floor space in the shed. IIRC it cost me about $5 to build it. Gerry :-)} London, Canada |
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"PrecisionmachinisT" wrote: FWIW, I have a fairly large burn pile I'm going to torch probably tomorrow and pretty sure I haven't used the chipper in at least 5 years. Other than the burn part.... I rented a monster chipper 8 years ago. Got a free "upgrade" in size (6" to 9") since the rental place didn't have the size I reserved in working order. VW engine (1600 cc.) Miserable, but effective, at least where things had been piled specifically to get chipped. Unless they had grapevines in them, which would jam the chipper up, so those had to be removed (once you've cleared a 36" disc a few times, you learn to pull the vines ahead of feeding the branches...) Random piles took too long to disassemble to be efficient getting into the chipper. I could use a decent hammermill for grinding up small stuff to rot faster, but haven't found one I'd care to spend money on. Bigger "stuff you might chip" mostly ends up as firewood. So, I pile brush. If feeling moderately impatient, I pile horse manure on the brush pile. With or without manure, the brush pile will shrink over time. Either more brush gets added to the top, or the pile shrinks to nothing. The active piles are worth manuring, just to weight them down for more space to pile in the first place, and for the faster rot (and further space created by shrinkage) in the second. This will not work so well in desert climates, I suppose. Here, stuff left out will inevitably rot, and do so faster if helped along. Not so quick as chip or burn, but a lot simpler & quieter. Just pick an out of the way spot and pile brush. -- Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by Please don't feed the trolls. Killfile and ignore them so they will go away. |
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On Jun 3, 9:43*pm, "PrecisionmachinisT"
wrote: Woody material ( which is typically what people use chippers for ) isn't going to improve the soil much by itself, you need to also add copious amounts of green stuff, and it's better to compost it all in a pile first rather than to simply till under. The soil here is mostly clay. In the area I cleared for a veggie garden, I trucked in about 4 pickup loads of ground woody material from the county yard waste yard and then added about five pickup loads of horse manure last fall. It still has too much clay, but is a lot better than it was. As far as home-owner grade...definately pass on anything that uses a verticle shaft lawnmower type motor or you'll be sorry... Those are pretty much useless. As a point of refrence, mine is a "bearcat"....it's pto drive that attaches to the 3point hitch on my tractor which has 23hp @ at 540...it is not a "planer blade" type, rather, it has a disc that's about the size of a 33-1/3 rpm lp record and 3/8 in thick with a single tooth mounted to it.... RPM is increased via Vee belt appears to be 1 to 3 ratio so the main chipper disc I would estimate runs ~2500 rpm, it is about 12 in diameter and has a single tooth about 4in long located at about 10 inches along the diameter, and is guaged to cut at a chipload of about .125 per revolution IIRC so guessing it's probably processing at ~ 6000 or so sfm. Does the tooth chip the branch and the chip goes through the disk? I had one more or less like that but then moved across country. As i remember it had multiple teeth, I think it was two teeth. One tooth might be better as far as bogging down the engine. After that, the chips fall into what is basically a hammer mill, 4 rows of with 6 flails each on a drum.... there is also a top hopper that you can use to shove small dry sticks and green shubs and that kind of **** into...goes directly to the hammermill...there is a screen under the hammermill that the finished product falls out of....it's made from 1/4in steel and has ~1in diameter holes drilled in a 1-1/2in grid pattern. I might be able to get some pictures if your interested in the actual design details but.... *--my main point is that it's still not quite as powerfull as I would like--IIRC it will run 3in diameter green woody branches at a rate of about 5 ft/ min on a good day but at that size material frequently have to stop feeding in order to keep the engine from bogging down and possibly stalling..... Most all the stuff I want to chip is smaller. More like an inch in diameter. I could live with a chipper that did not do 3 inch diameter limbs. Those I could haul to the county yard waste area. FWIW, I have a fairly large burn pile I'm going to torch probably tomorrow and pretty sure I haven't used the chipper in at least 5 years. Can not burn where I am. At least not legally. Dan Oops--it's actually *a "mighty mac"...it's probably rated ~4 x 4 in--sorry but at quick glance I din't see any model numbers. http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/a...nts/47721d1133... Again, suggest first try the rental unit, ~40 horsepower......get er done !!! -- |
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On Jun 3, 10:18*pm, Ecnerwal
I could use a decent hammermill for grinding up small stuff to rot faster, but haven't found one I'd care to spend money on. Bigger "stuff you might chip" mostly ends up as firewood. Me too. So, I pile brush. If feeling moderately impatient, I pile horse manure on the brush pile. With or without manure, the brush pile will shrink over time. Either more brush gets added to the top, or the pile shrinks to nothing. The active piles are worth manuring, just to weight them down for more space to pile in the first place, and for the faster rot (and further space created by shrinkage) in the second. This will not work so well in desert climates, I suppose. Here, stuff left out will inevitably rot, and do so faster if helped along. Not so quick as chip or burn, but a lot simpler & quieter. Just pick an out of the way spot and pile brush. -- I guess I am too impatient. One pile that could be in a more out of the way place has shrunk from about 6 feet high to about 4 + feet high in a year. And it has horse manure on it. Dan |
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On Jun 3, 9:49*pm, Martin Eastburn wrote:
Why not rent one and put the chips where you want - and roto-till the results into a compost pile or into the ground. Martin I like to build things. Where is the fun in renting? Dan |
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wrote in message ... ----- Original Message ----- From: Newsgroups: rec.crafts.metalworking Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 7:40 PM Subject: Chipper Shredder plans On Jun 3, 9:43 pm, "PrecisionmachinisT" wrote: Woody material ( which is typically what people use chippers for ) isn't going to improve the soil much by itself, you need to also add copious amounts of green stuff, and it's better to compost it all in a pile first rather than to simply till under. The soil here is mostly clay. In the area I cleared for a veggie garden, I trucked in about 4 pickup loads of ground woody material from the county yard waste yard and then added about five pickup loads of horse manure last fall. It still has too much clay, but is a lot better than it was. Without the horse manure it would have been a different story. As far as home-owner grade...definately pass on anything that uses a verticle shaft lawnmower type motor or you'll be sorry... Those are pretty much useless. A consumer fraud, but I digress. Fairly often, in fact. As a point of refrence, mine is a "bearcat"....it's pto drive that attaches to the 3point hitch on my tractor which has 23hp @ at 540...it is not a "planer blade" type, rather, it has a disc that's about the size of a 33-1/3 rpm lp record and 3/8 in thick with a single tooth mounted to it.... RPM is increased via Vee belt appears to be 1 to 3 ratio so the main chipper disc I would estimate runs ~2500 rpm, it is about 12 in diameter and has a single tooth about 4in long located at about 10 inches along the diameter, and is guaged to cut at a chipload of about .125 per revolution IIRC so guessing it's probably processing at ~ 6000 or so sfm. Does the tooth chip the branch and the chip goes through the disk? I Yes, that's pretty much how it works--I can't remember exactly how the chip thickness is controlled but I'll try and take a look tomorrow, maybe take a photo since just recently I got a new phone that actually lets me download to my computer... had one more or less like that but then moved across country. As i remember it had multiple teeth, I think it was two teeth. One tooth might be better as far as bogging down the engine. It may have more teeth, like I say, it's been a while... If your not interested in the hammermill aspect, and are just wanting a disc type chipper then it's certainly do-able project though pretty sure OSHA might not like having your hired hands using it... After that, the chips fall into what is basically a hammer mill, 4 rows of with 6 flails each on a drum.... there is also a top hopper that you can use to shove small dry sticks and green shubs and that kind of **** into...goes directly to the hammermill...there is a screen under the hammermill that the finished product falls out of....it's made from 1/4in steel and has ~1in diameter holes drilled in a 1-1/2in grid pattern. I might be able to get some pictures if your interested in the actual design details but.... --my main point is that it's still not quite as powerfull as I would like--IIRC it will run 3in diameter green woody branches at a rate of about 5 ft/ min on a good day but at that size material frequently have to stop feeding in order to keep the engine from bogging down and possibly stalling..... Most all the stuff I want to chip is smaller. More like an inch in diameter. I could live with a chipper that did not do 3 inch diameter limbs. Those I could haul to the county yard waste area. Or use as fire wood... FWIW, I have a fairly large burn pile I'm going to torch probably tomorrow and pretty sure I haven't used the chipper in at least 5 years. Can not burn where I am. At least not legally. It's almost all but joke here where I'm at--download a "permit", print and sign it, keep it on the premesis...make sure and abide by the outdoor burning rules: http://www.swcleanair.org/pdf/CowlitzBurnPermit.pdf --although next county over, it's a completely different story. |
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"PrecisionmachinisT" wrote in message news:4_2dndWo0InWJHTQnZ2dnUVZ_jSdnZ2d@scnresearch. com... wrote in message ... ----- Original Message ----- From: Newsgroups: rec.crafts.metalworking Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 7:40 PM Subject: Chipper Shredder plans On Jun 3, 9:43 pm, "PrecisionmachinisT" wrote: Woody material ( which is typically what people use chippers for ) isn't going to improve the soil much by itself, you need to also add copious amounts of green stuff, and it's better to compost it all in a pile first rather than to simply till under. The soil here is mostly clay. Oops forgot...BTDT 1/2 to 1/4 pea gravel ( no fines ) ....a 3/4 lift on top of the beds and till to 10in appx depth. ( you can do it mid season even--sort of a "mulch" to inhibit weeds...till under come fall ) In the area I cleared for a veggie The local deer population love visiting here. -- |
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On Jun 4, 1:52*am, Rich Grise wrote:
What does your buy vs. build chart look like so far? Want me to design one for you? ;-P Cheers! Rich So far my build vs buy chart looks like: Build Buy Get to play designer Spend money Get to weld Get to go to industrial junk yards Get to tear apart and fix problems Get to use that thing I got and did not know what it was. Get sympathy when injured Dan |
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On Jun 3, 9:43*pm, "PrecisionmachinisT"
wrote: Woody material ( which is typically what people use chippers for ) isn't going to improve the soil much by itself, you need to also add copious amounts of green stuff, and it's better to compost it all in a pile first rather than to simply till under. In the absence of leafy greens, you can add high nitrogen fertilizer to the pile but... In the area I cleared for a vegie garden, I dumped about four pickup loads of ground yard waste from the county yard waste disposal place and followed that with about five pickup loads of horse manure. it still is not great, but much better. As far as home-owner grade...definately pass on anything that uses a verticle shaft lawnmower type motor or you'll be sorry... Those are pretty much useless except for shredding leaves. RPM is increased via Vee belt appears to be 1 to 3 ratio so the main chipper disc I would estimate runs ~2500 rpm, it is about 12 in diameter and has a single tooth about 4in long located at about 10 inches along the diameter, and is guaged to cut at a chipload of about .125 per revolution IIRC so guessing it's probably processing at ~ 6000 or so sfm. Do the chips go through the disk? I had a chipper that had either two or four cutters mounted on a disk with slots in the disk that the chips went through to get to the hammer mill section. Might have been better with only one tooth. I moved across country and did not bring it with me. After that, the chips fall into what is basically a hammer mill, 4 rows of with 6 flails each on a drum.... there is also a top hopper that you can use to shove small dry sticks and green shubs and that kind of **** into...goes directly to the hammermill...there is a screen under the hammermill that the finished product falls out of....it's made from 1/4in steel and has ~1in diameter holes drilled in a 1-1/2in grid pattern. I might be able to get some pictures if your interested in the actual design details but.... *--my main point is that it's still not quite as powerfull as I would like--IIRC it will run 3in diameter green woody branches at a rate of about 5 ft/ min on a good day but at that size material frequently have to stop feeding in order to keep the engine from bogging down and possibly stalling..... I could live with one that only chipped stuff up to an inch and a half. I do not have much that is bigger than that and anything bigger I can give to my neighbor that has a outside wood burning furnace. FWIW, I have a fairly large burn pile I'm going to torch probably tomorrow and pretty sure I haven't used the chipper in at least 5 years. Can not burn here legally. Some of my neighbors do burn, but not big piles and not often. Oops--it's actually *a "mighty mac"...it's probably rated ~4 x 4 in--sorry but at quick glance I din't see any model numbers. http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/a...nts/47721d1133... Again, suggest first try the rental unit, ~40 horsepower......get er done !!! -- Good advice, but I am going to ignore it right now. Dan |
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By the way, regarding a fertilizer. What I find is that chicken poo
works absolutely best when it comes to vegetables (technically fruits), such as tomatoes. Back when I had chickens, I had 8 foot tall tomato plants, full of tomatoes. i |
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On Jun 3, 5:12*pm, " wrote:
i have cleaned up a good bit of the lot and now have several piles of yard waste to get rid of. *I would like to chip and shred the stuff and then rototill it in to some places where the soil could use more organic matter. *The closest place to dispose of yard waste is a fair ways away and if I do that I still need to do something to improve the soil. So does anyone have plans for a well designed chipper shredder? Dan If you are much of a wrench you can probably borrow one in trade for tuning it up, changing the oil, and returning it freshly sharpened. |
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On Jun 4, 9:35*am, beecrofter wrote:
If you are much of a wrench you can probably borrow one in trade for tuning it up, changing the oil, and returning it freshly sharpened. Good idea, but I am kind of new to the area and do not know anyone with a chipper. That is kind of the same problem with renting. i have not scoped out where the good rental places are located. I tried to rent a lawn mover, but could only find a place that rented push mowers. I will be looking at rental places. Need to rent a ditching machine to put in subsurface drains. I do not expect to need that more than once. Dan |
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wrote: On Jun 3, 9:49*pm, Martin Eastburn wrote: Why not rent one and put the chips where you want - and roto-till the results into a compost pile or into the ground. Martin I like to build things. Where is the fun in renting? Dan Dan, If you get one built and running, please share the result. I run a corn stalk chopper through the orchard to get most of the prunings. Then have the kids pull out the oversize stuff. it would be real nice to have a PTO chipper instead. Karl |
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On Sat, 04 Jun 2011 08:29:57 -0500, Ignoramus5230
wrote: By the way, regarding a fertilizer. What I find is that chicken poo works absolutely best when it comes to vegetables (technically fruits), such as tomatoes. Back when I had chickens, I had 8 foot tall tomato plants, full of tomatoes. i I'll second that. I get a semi load every year. I also get a semi of turkey litter, not as strong. I grow the best strawberries in the sate of MN and this is one of the secrets. BTW, the kids are sprinkling dryed and pelletized chicken poo on the first year plants as i write this. We put a 2000 Karl |
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"Ignoramus5230" wrote in message ... By the way, regarding a fertilizer. What I find is that chicken poo works absolutely best when it comes to vegetables (technically fruits), such as tomatoes. Back when I had chickens, I had 8 foot tall tomato plants, full of tomatoes. Tomatoe cultivars can be divided into two basic growth habits, specifically, "determinate" and "non determinate" "Determinate" varieties will grow to a fairly predictable height at which point vertical growth stops...... "Non-determinate varieties will continue to grow indefinately or or at least until they run out of support, terminal height basically being limited only by environmental factors with the number one factor usually being how high you've built your actual tomatoe cages. -- |
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On 2011-06-04, Karl Townsend wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jun 2011 08:29:57 -0500, Ignoramus5230 wrote: By the way, regarding a fertilizer. What I find is that chicken poo works absolutely best when it comes to vegetables (technically fruits), such as tomatoes. Back when I had chickens, I had 8 foot tall tomato plants, full of tomatoes. i I'll second that. I get a semi load every year. I also get a semi of turkey litter, not as strong. I grow the best strawberries in the sate of MN and this is one of the secrets. BTW, the kids are sprinkling dryed and pelletized chicken poo on the first year plants as i write this. We put a 2000 Chickens are worth their feed, merely from the fertilizer value. I actually have chickens this year also (leghorns, a huge mistake). I will definitely save every bit of litter. i |
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wrote in message ... five pickup loads of horse manure last fall. Also, suggest stay away from horse manure--it is fine if you are wanting to convert raw land into pasture but in the garden there usually will sprout way too many seeds that weren't killed in passing through the horse's intestines. |
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On Jun 3, 10:15*pm, Gerald Miller wrote:
I use my **** shaker (compost screener) one day per year. The rest of the time it takes up about 1.5 square feet of floor space in the shed. IIRC it cost me about $5 to build it. Gerry :-)} London, Canada Anything that only cost about $5 to build and does not take up much room sounds interesting. Can I have more details? Dan |
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"Ignoramus5230" wrote in message ... On 2011-06-04, Karl Townsend wrote: On Sat, 04 Jun 2011 08:29:57 -0500, Ignoramus5230 wrote: By the way, regarding a fertilizer. What I find is that chicken poo works absolutely best when it comes to vegetables (technically fruits), such as tomatoes. Back when I had chickens, I had 8 foot tall tomato plants, full of tomatoes. i I'll second that. I get a semi load every year. I also get a semi of turkey litter, not as strong. I grow the best strawberries in the sate of MN and this is one of the secrets. BTW, the kids are sprinkling dryed and pelletized chicken poo on the first year plants as i write this. We put a 2000 Chickens are worth their feed, merely from the fertilizer value. I actually have chickens this year also (leghorns, a huge mistake). I will definitely save every bit of litter. Buff Orphingtons have a pretty good temperament esp if you like letting them out to wander and forage during the day. Green chicken manure from a poultry farm smells bad. Uncontrollable automatic gag reflex bad, in fact. -- -- |
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On Sat, 04 Jun 2011 11:01:20 -0500, Ignoramus5230
wrote: On 2011-06-04, Karl Townsend wrote: On Sat, 04 Jun 2011 08:29:57 -0500, Ignoramus5230 wrote: By the way, regarding a fertilizer. What I find is that chicken poo works absolutely best when it comes to vegetables (technically fruits), such as tomatoes. Back when I had chickens, I had 8 foot tall tomato plants, full of tomatoes. i I'll second that. I get a semi load every year. I also get a semi of turkey litter, not as strong. I grow the best strawberries in the sate of MN and this is one of the secrets. BTW, the kids are sprinkling dryed and pelletized chicken poo on the first year plants as i write this. We put a 2000 Chickens are worth their feed, merely from the fertilizer value. I actually have chickens this year also (leghorns, a huge mistake). I will definitely save every bit of litter. Worm castings are a lot easier to live with. -- Experience is a good teacher, but she send in terrific bills. -- Minna Thomas Antrim |
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On 2011-06-04, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
"Ignoramus5230" wrote in message ... On 2011-06-04, Karl Townsend wrote: On Sat, 04 Jun 2011 08:29:57 -0500, Ignoramus5230 wrote: By the way, regarding a fertilizer. What I find is that chicken poo works absolutely best when it comes to vegetables (technically fruits), such as tomatoes. Back when I had chickens, I had 8 foot tall tomato plants, full of tomatoes. i I'll second that. I get a semi load every year. I also get a semi of turkey litter, not as strong. I grow the best strawberries in the sate of MN and this is one of the secrets. BTW, the kids are sprinkling dryed and pelletized chicken poo on the first year plants as i write this. We put a 2000 Chickens are worth their feed, merely from the fertilizer value. I actually have chickens this year also (leghorns, a huge mistake). I will definitely save every bit of litter. Buff Orphingtons have a pretty good temperament esp if you like letting them out to wander and forage during the day. I don't. I had New Hempshire Reds last time, they were awesome, very calm, friendly, and docile. These Leghorns are very flighty and scaredy. In addition, they are not quite as hardy as far as cold weather goes. Green chicken manure from a poultry farm smells bad. Uncontrollable automatic gag reflex bad, in fact. I have no problems with that smell, I kept some manure mixed with water in a bucket, for 3 weeks. It did smell quite a bit, but I am okay with that. i |
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Dan
My folks have a NZ made Hansa chipper - http://www.hansaproducts.co.nz/ .. If you want photos and measurements, let me know and I will get info when I am at the farm next/ IIRC it has a 13hp B&S motor. As I recall it as not cheap, but will eat trees, the bodies of door-to-door salesmen and anything else that gets put in the slot. Geoffm Auckland |
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On Jun 4, 7:03*pm, Geoff M wrote:
Dan My folks have a NZ made Hansa chipper -http://www.hansaproducts.co.nz/ . If you want photos and measurements, let me know and I will get info when I am at the farm next/ IIRC it has a 13hp B&S motor. As I recall it as not cheap, but will eat trees, the bodies of door-to-door salesmen and anything else that gets put in the slot. Geoffm Auckland I would appreciate some photos especially of how the cutting edge is attached to the disk. 13 hp sounds like a good compromise between cost and having enough power. The invite to come visit is still open. Maureen's sister Anne is coming this next fall. She usually travels with lots of luggage, but we might be able to get her to take something back if it is not too big or heavy. They moved and are now out in the country south of Auckland. Dan |
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On Sat, 4 Jun 2011 09:09:26 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Jun 3, 10:15*pm, Gerald Miller wrote: I use my **** shaker (compost screener) one day per year. The rest of the time it takes up about 1.5 square feet of floor space in the shed. IIRC it cost me about $5 to build it. Gerry :-)} London, Canada Anything that only cost about $5 to build and does not take up much room sounds interesting. Can I have more details? Dan Basically a 1 x 2 foot box with expanded metal ($5) mesh bottom suspended by a chain from one end in a frame. The other end has wooden pillow blocks riding on a pair of eccentrics mounted on a half inch shaft. These eccentrics have a larger diameter section concentric with the shaft which also run in wooden pillow blocks mounted to the main frame. The eccentrics were turned from 1 1/4" steel trued up and drilled for the shaft, then offset 1/8" and the centre section turned down to round (1") and parted into two pieces three inches long. The pillow blocks are made from 2 x 4 maple from pallet material, grease nipples (1/4-28) were threaded into drilled and tapped 1" long 3/8" cap screws into tapped holes in the pillow blocks. A 1" ID washer was used between the pillow blocks for clearance and to provide positive longitudinal location. The bores of the pillow blocks are about 1/32" oversize for free rotation and chassis lube liberally applied. A 1/3 HP motor belted to the eccentric shaft turns it at about 900 RPM. Both frames are made from scrap 2 x 4 cross bolted with 1/4" all-thread. The chain suspended end of the screen box hangs about an inch bellow the driven end. In use, I set the shaker on saw horses over the wheel barrow and put three or four 3" stones on the screen to break up lumps then toss in shovels full of compost and stir it around with a garden trowel and pick out roots and lumps for further composting. I also mix in soil from my pile of surplus materials from edge trimming etc. Gerry :-)} London, Canada |
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On Jun 4, 10:13*pm, Gerald Miller wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jun 2011 09:09:26 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Jun 3, 10:15*pm, Gerald Miller wrote: I use my **** shaker (compost screener) one day per year. The rest of the time it takes up about 1.5 square feet of floor space in the shed. IIRC it cost me about $5 to build it. Gerry :-)} London, Canada Anything that only cost about $5 to build and does not take up much room sounds interesting. *Can I *have more details? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Dan Basically a 1 x 2 foot box with expanded metal ($5) mesh bottom suspended by a chain from one end in a frame. The other end has wooden pillow blocks riding on a pair of eccentrics mounted on a half inch shaft. These eccentrics have a larger *diameter section concentric with the shaft which also run in wooden pillow blocks mounted to the main frame. The eccentrics were turned from 1 1/4" steel trued up and drilled for the shaft, then offset 1/8" and the centre section turned down to round (1") and parted into two pieces three inches long. The pillow blocks are made from 2 x 4 maple from pallet material, grease nipples (1/4-28) were threaded into drilled and tapped 1" long 3/8" cap screws into tapped holes in the pillow blocks. A *1" ID *washer was used between the pillow blocks for clearance and to provide positive longitudinal location. The bores of the pillow blocks are about 1/32" oversize for free rotation and chassis lube liberally applied. A 1/3 HP motor belted to the eccentric shaft turns it at about 900 RPM. Both frames are made from scrap 2 x 4 cross bolted with 1/4" all-thread. The chain suspended end of the screen box hangs about an inch bellow the driven end. In use, I set the shaker on saw horses over the wheel barrow and put three or four 3" stones on the screen to break up lumps then toss in shovels full of compost and stir it around with a garden trowel and pick out roots and lumps for further composting. I also mix in soil from my pile of surplus materials from edge trimming etc. Gerry :-)} London, Canada Sounds like a sound design. I made something somewhat similar for cleaning concrete off bricks. Used the crankshaft out of a Briggs and Stratton engine and a connecting rod with hardwood bearing surface. Had some expanded metal that scraped the brick. It was not much faster than cleaning bricks by hand, but a lot less work. |
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On Sat, 4 Jun 2011 06:02:25 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Jun 4, 1:52*am, Rich Grise wrote: What does your buy vs. build chart look like so far? Want me to design one for you? ;-P Cheers! Rich So far my build vs buy chart looks like: Build Buy Get to play designer Spend money Get to weld Get to go to industrial junk yards Get to tear apart and fix problems Get to use that thing I got and did not know what it was. Get sympathy when injured Dan Get to do something with a home built that a rental could do in less than a quarter of the time at one tenth of the effort but with twenty times the satisfaction! Gerry :-)} London, Canada |
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The Bedair chipper looks to be a fairly rugged fabrication.
This Steve Bedair does very good executions of very well-thought-out designs. I'm familiar with his 9x20 lathe improvements from years ago. http://www.bedair.org/9x20camlock/9x20project.html -- WB .......... "Steve W." wrote in message ... wrote: http://www.bedair.org/Projects/chipper1.html -- Steve W. |
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On Sat, 04 Jun 2011 23:02:24 -0400, "Steve W."
wrote: wrote: i have cleaned up a good bit of the lot and now have several piles of yard waste to get rid of. I would like to chip and shred the stuff and then rototill it in to some places where the soil could use more organic matter. The closest place to dispose of yard waste is a fair ways away and if I do that I still need to do something to improve the soil. So does anyone have plans for a well designed chipper shredder? Dan http://www.bedair.org/Projects/chipper1.html WOW, impressive project this fella did. Karl |
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On Sat, 04 Jun 2011 23:02:24 -0400, "Steve W."
wrote: wrote: i have cleaned up a good bit of the lot and now have several piles of yard waste to get rid of. I would like to chip and shred the stuff and then rototill it in to some places where the soil could use more organic matter. The closest place to dispose of yard waste is a fair ways away and if I do that I still need to do something to improve the soil. So does anyone have plans for a well designed chipper shredder? http://www.bedair.org/Projects/chipper1.html Wow, Mr. Bedair does good work. Nice project, nice pages. -- Experience is a good teacher, but she send in terrific bills. -- Minna Thomas Antrim |
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On Jun 4, 10:35*pm, Gerald Miller wrote:
... Get to do something with a home built that a rental could do in less than a quarter of the time at one tenth of the effort but with twenty times the satisfaction! Gerry :-)} London, Canada- As much as I like building machines, when I have brush and branches to cut up I use a tall chopping block and a hatchet or machete. Once the branches have been reduced to mostly straight or Y pieces they pile compactly enough on the compost heap. jsw |
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Steve W. Inscribed thus:
wrote: i have cleaned up a good bit of the lot and now have several piles of yard waste to get rid of. I would like to chip and shred the stuff and then rototill it in to some places where the soil could use more organic matter. The closest place to dispose of yard waste is a fair ways away and if I do that I still need to do something to improve the soil. So does anyone have plans for a well designed chipper shredder? Dan http://www.bedair.org/Projects/chipper1.html That is one hell of a heavy duty machine ! -- Best Regards: Baron. |
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