http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/...th-certificate

On 2011-04-27, rangerssuck wrote:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/...th-certificate

Do you think the liars will apologize now?

i

On Apr 27, 10:29*am, Ignoramus14859 ignoramus14...@NOSPAM.
14859.invalid wrote:
On 2011-04-27, rangerssuck wrote:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/...mas-long-form-...

Do you think the liars will apologize now?

i

No.

As a matter of fact, Donald Trump is very busy being proud of himself
for accomplishing what no one else has been able to accomplish. But,
he says, he'll have to examine the document to make sure it's
authentic.

In , Ignoramus14859 wrote:
On 2011-04-27, rangerssuck wrote:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/...th-certificate

Do you think the liars will apologize now?

His grandmother claims she was present at his birth in Kenya. Is that
the liar you're talking about?

"Ignoramus14859" wrote in message
...
On 2011-04-27, rangerssuck wrote:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/...th-certificate

Do you think the liars will apologize now?

i

Ha-ha! Are you kidding? Trump is already crowing. That's after he told
Anderson Cooper a couple of days ago that he had information that the
original record was "lost."

Now the rest of the country has seen what those of us in the NYC area have
known for years: Trump is a phony and a con man, a self-promoter who cares
about nothing but himself. And his hair. g

--
Ed Huntress

On 2011-04-27, . wrote:
In , Ignoramus14859 wrote:
On 2011-04-27, rangerssuck wrote:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/...th-certificate

Do you think the liars will apologize now?

His grandmother claims she was present at his birth in Kenya. Is that
the liar you're talking about?

I am talking about Republican liars.

You are presenting the "grandmother" story as if it was an established
fact, but it is not an established fact.

Republicans probably invented the story about "grandmother" also. I
would not personally let any of them hold on to my wallet even for a
millisecond.

i

"." wrote in message
...
In , Ignoramus14859 wrote:
On 2011-04-27, rangerssuck wrote:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/...th-certificate

Do you think the liars will apologize now?

His grandmother claims she was present at his birth in Kenya.

No she didn't. That was the edited translation by Jerome Corsi, the
documented liar and sensationalist author.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...l_hatchet.html

Is that
the liar you're talking about?

More like Trump claiming he had "information" that Obama's original record
was "lost," or that he has "investigators" in Hawaii. No one can find any
evidence they exist, nor anyone they have talked to in Hawaii. They must be
awfully small...

--
Ed Huntress

rangerssuck wrote:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/...th-certificate

"It may have been good politics and good TV, but it was bad for the American
people and distracting from the many challenges we face as a country."

It certainly distracted a lot of people from his genuine shortcomings, so
thanks a lot birthers.


--

Reply in group, but if emailing add one more
zero, and remove the last word.

On 2011-04-27, Ed Huntress wrote:

"." wrote in message
...
In , Ignoramus14859 wrote:
On 2011-04-27, rangerssuck wrote:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/...th-certificate

Do you think the liars will apologize now?

His grandmother claims she was present at his birth in Kenya.

No she didn't. That was the edited translation by Jerome Corsi, the
documented liar and sensationalist author.

What is really disgusting, is Republicans repeating these lies and
trying to nonchalantly pass them up as established facts.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...l_hatchet.html

Is that
the liar you're talking about?

More like Trump claiming he had "information" that Obama's original
record was "lost," or that he has "investigators" in Hawaii. No one
can find any evidence they exist, nor anyone they have talked to in
Hawaii. They must be awfully small...

I certainly would not trust my wallet to Trump. Bankruptcies seem to
follow him around like flies follow certain things.

i

On 4/27/2011 9:25 AM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
rangerssuck wrote:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/...th-certificate

"It may have been good politics and good TV, but it was bad for the American
people and distracting from the many challenges we face as a country."

It certainly distracted a lot of people from his genuine shortcomings, so
thanks a lot birthers.

The whole thing was political. What the entire controversy over Obama's
birth really was about was nothing more than a point of attack against
the president.

The fact is Obama has done such a good job since taking over the country
that the right wing has not had a lot of legitimate things to attack him
over. Virtually everything that was in terrible shape under Bush has
considerably improved under Obama. Jobs and the housing market are the
two areas that are proving the hardest to get turned around but even in
those areas there has been progress. That is a sharp contrast compared
to when Bush was in office when everything was on a downward trend.

As silly and irrelevant as Obama's birth place is it gave the right wing
something to go after Obama over, and they made the most of it. They
took a meaningless issue to the front pages for months on end. They
milked the supposed controversy for all it was worth and they convinced
many republicans that the president was not really an American at all.

That's now over. There will be no apologies from the right. You won't
see any right wingers in this group saying they were wrong. It takes
balls to admit mistakes. Those are lacking in Obama's opponents. So they
will quickly forget all about the birth controversy and will seize some
other minor thing to hector Obama over. But that's what you do when you
have nothing legitimate to complain about. You find some little nit to
pick. The question is what's next for the little people to whine about.

Hawke

"Ignoramus14859" wrote in message
...
On 2011-04-27, Ed Huntress wrote:

"." wrote in message
...
In , Ignoramus14859
wrote:
On 2011-04-27, rangerssuck wrote:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/...th-certificate

Do you think the liars will apologize now?

His grandmother claims she was present at his birth in Kenya.

No she didn't. That was the edited translation by Jerome Corsi, the
documented liar and sensationalist author.

What is really disgusting, is Republicans repeating these lies and
trying to nonchalantly pass them up as established facts.

It's a revival, actually. That's what the Yellow Press was all about for a
century or more. Thomas Jefferson even complained about it.

For a long while, from the middle of the last century until the last two
decades, when the press became "professionalized" and a lot more
responsible, it became hard to pull off those games. Everybody read or
watched the same things, so when the liars would get caught, everyone would
know about it. Scooping the stories about such things became a central
function of the press.

Now we have at least 54 alternate realities on the Web, alone, so your feet
never have to touch the ground at all.


http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...l_hatchet.html

Is that
the liar you're talking about?

More like Trump claiming he had "information" that Obama's original
record was "lost," or that he has "investigators" in Hawaii. No one
can find any evidence they exist, nor anyone they have talked to in
Hawaii. They must be awfully small...

I certainly would not trust my wallet to Trump. Bankruptcies seem to
follow him around like flies follow certain things.

i

Not everyone has a taste for Trump. I enjoyed his antics when he was
divorcing his wives and taking up with new ones; Marla Maples was
particularly entertaining.

But he's known out here as a con man and self-promoting egomaniac, so he's
best enjoyed from a distance. This Birther escapade was probably the lowest
thing he's done.

--
Ed Huntress

On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 12:25:16 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"
wrote:

rangerssuck wrote:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/...th-certificate

"It may have been good politics and good TV, but it was bad for the American
people and distracting from the many challenges we face as a country."

It certainly distracted a lot of people from his genuine shortcomings, so
thanks a lot birthers.


Its quite fascinating how suddenly this shows up..when the Governor of
Hawaii hasnt been able to find this since January..and has admitted it
repeatedly

http://www.westernjournalism.com/haw...h-certificate/

Google search governor of hawaii cant find birth


About 3,450,000 results (0.16 seconds)


So..is it a forgery or is it real?
So lets see an actual Photocopy of the birth certificate. You do know
that the above..is not a photocopy, dontcha?

This is what they are supposed to look like...G

http://www.wnd.com/images/090728birthcert.gif

Yall do understand..that if its a fraudulant document..the Obamassiah
will be impeached and imprisoned faster than a fart floats...right?

G

And while we are at it....how about all of his school records?




WND Exclusive BORN IN THE USA?
Obama: Where have all his records gone?
Footprints of president's own history either vanish or remain covered up
By Chelsea Schilling
© 2011 WorldNetDaily


Obama's alleged kindergarten class (photo: Maui News)

While nearly 400,000 concerned citizens demand President Obama present
his elusive "long-form" birth certificate, more than a dozen other
documents remain unreleased or otherwise blocked from the public eye.

Numerous documents which have yet to be surrendered include the
following.

Obama kindergarten records

The Maui News reported that Obama attended kindergarten at Noelani
Elementary School on Oahu during the school year 1966-67. It released a
photo of two teachers, Katherine Nakamoto and Aimee Yatsushiro, with
five students. The teachers claim one of the children is Barack Obama.

According to the Hawaii Department of Education, students must submit a
birth certificate to register. Parents may bring a passport or student
visa if the child is from a foreign country.

So far, no records have been released by the school. Noelani Elementary
School officials have not responded to WND's request for comment.

Punahou School records


Punahou's alleged 1979 yearbook photo of Obama playing basketball

Though from a modest background, Obama began attending the prestigious
Punahou School in Honolulu, one of Hawaii's top private institutions. He
reportedly received a scholarship and attended the school from the fifth
grade until he finished high school, though no financial records have
been released.

The Boston Globe reported, "In 1979, the year Obama graduated, tuition
for high school students at Punahou was $1,990, a sizable expense
compared with Hawaii's median family income of $22,750 that year.

Obama, reportedly a "B" student, studied among the island's richest and
most accomplished students. According to the school's website, he also
played forward on Punahou's 1979 state championship basketball team.

Occidental College records

Obama arrived at Occidental College, a small liberal arts school in Los
Angeles, Calif., in the fall of 1979. He only briefly mentions the
school in his 1995 memoir, "Dreams from My Father."

Obama attended the school on a scholarship. Some question whether the
financial aid he received was reserved for foreign students. Financial
records have not been released.

In a legal action, handled largely by Gary Kreep of the U.S. Justice
Foundation, officials at Occidental College were served with a demand to
produce records concerning Barack Obama's attendance there during the
1980s because they could document whether he was attending as a foreign
national.

Kreep petitioned the college with a demand for its records concerning
Obama.


Occidental College library

"The gravamen of the petition is the question as to whether United
States Senator Barack Hussein Obama, of Illinois, is eligible to serve
as president of the United States pursuant to the requirements for that
office in the United States Constitution," he wrote. "The records sought
may provide documentary evidence, and/or admissions by said defendant,
as to said eligibility or lack thereof."

College officials then contacted Obama's lawyers, who argued to the
court that the election was over and that future concerns should be
addressed to Congress.

The motion stated that the records, which could reveal on what name
Obama attended classes at Occidental and whether he attended on
scholarship money intended for foreign students, "are of no relevance to
this moot litigation."

The motion also claimed the petitioners failed to serve the subpoena
properly.


"The subpoena directed to Occidental College should therefore be
quashed. Alternatively, this court should issue an order directing that
the deposition of the custodian of records of Occidental College not
take place," the firm working on Obama's behalf stated.

"The central issue in this lawsuit … is whether any Respondent had a
legal duty to demand proof of natural born citizenship from Democratic
Party's nominee," the motion said. "None of the documents sought by
petitioners could possibly assist in answering this question."

A judge granted a motion to quash the subpoena.

"Obama's attorneys bent over backward to block us," Kreep told WND.
"Obama doesn't want anyone to see those records. He's trying to hide
them."

His efforts resulted in a threat from Obama's attorneys to seek
financial sanctions against the plaintiff's lawyers.

Kreep said a notice of appeal will be filed next week.

A notice posted on the Occidental College website states, "Family
Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA) regulations protect the
privacy of student education records. We, therefore, cannot disclose
students' classes, grade point averages, majors or other such
information."

Columbia University records

Obama transferred from Occidental College to Columbia University in
1981, at the age of 20.

According to the New York Times, Obama "suggests in his book that his
years in New York were a pivotal period: He ran three miles a day,
buckled down to work and 'stopped getting high,' which he says he had
started doing in high school. Yet he declined repeated requests to talk
about his New York years, release his Columbia transcript or identify
even a single fellow student, co-worker, roommate or friend from those
years."

Campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt told the newspaper in October 2007, "He
doesn’t remember the names of a lot of people in his life."

In a 2005 profile in a Columbia alumni magazine, Obama called his time
at the school "an intense period of study."

"I spent a lot of time in the library. I didn't socialize that much. I
was like a monk," he said.


Columbia University hosts outdoor viewing of 2009 Inauguration on large
screen

Obama claimed to be a part of the Black Student Organization and
anti-apartheid activities. But according to the New York Times, several
well-known student leaders did not recall his involvement.

Fox News made contact with 400 of Obama's classmates. No one remembered
him.

The Columbia University chapter in Obama's life remains blank, according
to the New York Sun.

"The Obama campaign has refused to release his college transcript,
despite an academic career that led him to Harvard Law School and,
later, to a lecturing position at the University of Chicago," the Sun
reported in September 2008. "The shroud surrounding his experience at
Columbia contrasts with that of other major party nominees since 2000,
all whom have eventually released information about their college
performance or seen it leaked to the public."

When the newspaper inquired, the Obama campaign did not offer an
explanation for why the transcript had not been released.

According to the New York Sun, a program from Columbia's 1983
commencement ceremony lists Obama as a graduate. University spokesman
Brian Connolly confirmed that Obama graduated with a major in political
science but without honors. Nonetheless, he was later admitted to
Harvard Law School.

Columbia thesis "Soviet Nuclear Disarmament"

Before applying to Harvard, Obama is said to have written a major thesis
in his senior year. It has not been released.


An Oct 30, 2007, a New York Times article stated, "[Obama] barely
mentions Columbia, training ground for the elite, where he transferred
in his junior year, majoring in political science and international
relations and writing his thesis on Soviet nuclear disarmament."

Former Columbia professor, Michael Baron, told NBC News Obama excelled
in his year-long honors seminar called American Foreign Policy.

He also said Obama spent a whole year writing a "thesis" or "senior
thesis" on the topic of nuclear negotiations with the former Soviet
Union.

"My recollection is that the paper was an analysis of the evolution of
the arms reduction negotiations between the Soviet Union and the United
States," Baron told reporters in an e-mail. "At that time, a hot topic
in foreign policy circles was finding a way in which each country could
safely reduce the large arsenal of nuclear weapons pointed at the other
… For U.S. policy makers in both political parties, the aim was not
disarmament, but achieving deep reductions in the Soviet nuclear arsenal
and keeping a substantial and permanent American advantage. As I
remember it, the paper was about those negotiations, their tactics and
chances for success. Barack got an A."

Baron said he saved Obama's paper and recently searched through boxes
hoping to find it, but he told reporters he may have thrown it away
during a move several years ago.

Baron wrote a letter of recommendation when Obama applied to Harvard Law
School. According to Federal Election Commission records, he also
donated at least $1,250 to Obama's presidential campaign.

On July 24, 2008, the Obama administration told NBC News Obama was
unable to release copies of his thesis paper.

"We do not have a copy of the course paper you requested and neither
does Columbia University," Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt said.

According to MSNBC, Columbia University officials claim they do not have
a copy available in the college's archives.

Harvard Law School records



With less than steller marks upon his graduation from Columbia, Obama
was accepted into Harvard Law School.

WND columnist Jack Cashill wrote, "If Obama's LSAT scores merited
admission (to Harvard), we would know about them. We don't. The Obama
camp guards those scores, like his SAT scores, more tightly that Iran
does its nuclear secrets."

He continued, "We know enough about Obama's Columbia grades to know how
far they fall below the Harvard norm, likely even below the affirmative
action-adjusted black norm at Harvard."

Cashill wrote, Khalid al-Mansour, principle adviser to Saudi Prince
Al-Waleed bin Talal, lobbied friends like Manhattan Borough President
Percy Sutton to intervene at Harvard on Obama's behalf. Al-Mansour
reportedly mentored founders of the Black Panther party in the early
1960s.

Cashill suggests Obama's "shyness" about his Harvard experience may stem
from his reluctance to broadcast his connections.

According to Politico, Obama's name does not appear on any legal
scholarships during his time at Harvard. His campaign reportedly said
his Harvard education was a product of hard work and student loans.
Obama graduated magna cum laude in 1991.

Harvard Law Review articles

In 1990, Obama beat out 18 other contenders to become the first black
president of the Harvard Law Review, where he spent at least 50 hours a
week editing submissions from judges, scholars and authors.

According to Politico, there were "eight dense volumes produced during
his time in charge there – 2,083 pages in all."

Campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt told Politico Obama didn't write any
articles for the Review, but he did leave behind numerous case analyses
and unsigned "notes" from Harvard students.

As Matthew Franck noted in National Review Online, "A search of the
HeinOnline database of law journals turns up exactly nothing credited to
Obama in any law review anywhere at any time."

Susan Estrich, the first female president of the Review who served 14
years earlier, said Obama must have had something published that year,
even if his campaign denied it.

"They probably don't want [to] have you [reporters] going back" to
examine the Review, she said.

However, Politico later reported it had unearthed a 1990 article that
"offers a glimpse at Obama's views on abortion policy and the law during
his student days."

His six-page summary answers a legal question about whether fetuses
should be allowed to file lawsuits against their mothers.

"Obama's answer, like most courts': No," Politico reported. "He wrote
approvingly of an Illinois Supreme Court ruling that the unborn cannot
sue their mothers for negligence, and he suggested that allowing fetuses
to sue would violate the mother's rights and could, perversely, cause
her to take more risks with her pregnancy."

The report continued, "His article acknowledged a public interest in the
health of the fetus, but also seemed to demonstrate his continuing
commitment to abortion rights, and suggested that the government may
have more important concerns than 'ensuring that any particular fetus is
born.'"

Despite its earlier statement, the Obama campaign later confirmed
Obama's authorship of the article and claimed it was the only piece he
had written for the Review.

University of Chicago scholarly articles

Obama lectured at the University of Chicago Law School, a top school
where the faculty is known for voluminous scholarly publishing, from
1992 until 2004.

The university offered Obama a full-time tenure-track position, an honor
typically reserved for published instructors. However, reporters have
been unable to find scholarly articles authored by him. The university
reports that Obama declined the tenure offer.

Sarah Galer, news editor at the Law School and Harris School of Public
Policy at the University of Chicago, told WND, "President Obama wrote
'Dreams from My Father' while at the law school but did not produce any
scholarly articles as far as I know."

Passport

According to March 2008 reports, State Department employees conducted an
unauthorized search of Obama's passport files during the recent
presidential campaign. CNN reported that three different contract
workers accessed his information on separate occasions – Jan. 9, Feb. 21
and March 14 – without authorization. Two workers were fired and another
faced discipline.

Obama's files reportedly contained copies of passport applications,
birth date, basic biographical information, records of passport renewal
and possibly citizenship information.

The Obama campaign demanded a thorough investigation to determine which
employees looked at the file and why.

"This is an outrageous breach of security and privacy, even from an
administration that has shown little regard for either over the last
eight years," Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton told CNN in a
statement. "Our government's duty is to protect the private information
of the American people, not use it for political purposes."

Meanwhile, a key witness who had been cooperating with federal
investigators was later found fatally shot in front of a Washington,
D.C., church. A police officer found the body of Lt. Quarles Harris Jr.,
24, slumped dead inside his car.

At the time, investigators said they didn't have any information
connecting the murder to the passport case. After one year of
investigation of the homicide, there have been no arrests.

The passport has not been released.

Medical records

During his first presidential campaign in 1999, Sen. John McCain
released 1,500 pages of medical and psychiatric records collected by the
Navy. In 2008, McCain allowed reporters to spend three hours sifting
through 1,200 pages of health records.


In 1999, former Vice President Al Gore released medical records
revealing "mildly elevated" cholesterol levels and removal of a common
form of skin cancer from his forehead in 1997. The documents disclosed
his weight, resting heart rate, resting blood pressure, cardiovascular
fitness and a variety of other health details. Gore's records were
compiled after a complete physical examination by several military
physicians.

Likewise, President George W. Bush allowed the media to view about 400
pages of personal medical information in 2000 and 2004.

After initial reluctance, Sen. John Kerry allowed the Navy to release
his full medical records in 2004.

While not all have done so, it has been common practice for presidential
candidates to release medical records.

However, Barack Obama, a relatively young candidate who was said to have
been in "excellent health," refused to release medical records. Instead,
he simply provided a six-paragraph note from his physician briefly
summarizing 21 years of doctor visits and health information.

The letter contained no supporting documentation.

Other documents


Couple said to be Barack Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham (photo: Obama
campaign)

According to additional records listed at the The Obama File, other
documents that remain unreleased include:

* Complete files and schedules of his years as an Illinois state
senator from 1997 to 2004

* Obama's client list from during his time in private practice with
the Chicago law firm of Davis, Miner, Barnhill and Gallard

* Illinois State Bar Association records

* Baptism records

* Obama/Dunham marriage license

* Obama/Dunham divorce documents

* Soetoro/Dunham marriage license

* Adoption records

Birth certificate

WND has been reporting since before the election on questions – and
lawsuits – raised over Obama's birth and eligibility. He reported in his
book he was born in Hawaii and his half-sister agrees. But the woman the
president says is his paternal grandmother, Sarah Obama, claimed to have
been present at her grandson's birth in Mombasa, Kenya.

The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a
natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of
the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of
President."

Where's the proof Barack Obama was born in the U.S. or that he fulfills
the "natural-born American" clause in the Constitution? If you still
want to see it, join more than 380,000 others and sign up now!


Barack Obama

Complicating the issue are Obama's move to Indonesia as a child, where
he reportedly attended that nation's public schools, and his later
travels to Pakistan, raising questions about on what nation's passport
was that travel accomplished. Then there are the multiple law firms
hired to make certain Obama's long-form birth certificate information,
and other documentation such as college records, remain sealed from
public view.

Obama's presidential campaign released to select news organizations only
what is known as a "certification of live birth," a document obtainable
in Hawaii in 1961 by Americans actually born outside the country.
However, Joseph Farah, WND editor and chief executive officer, has been
calling for the release of Obama's long-form birth certificate showing
the hospital of his birth, attending physician and other details to
confirm his citizenship status.

Farah launched a national billboard campaign last month in an effort to
keep the issue before the American people. The billboards, being leased
around the country, ask the simple question, "Where's the birth
certificate?" Farah is asking the public to support his campaign with
donations. So far, more than $75,000 has been collected.

The billboard campaign followed one launched months earlier to collect
the names on an electronic petition demanding accountability and
transparency on the issue. So far, that petition has gathered nearly
400,000 names.

The campaign got a boost recently when WND White House correspondent Les
Kinsolving asked Obama's press secretary, Robert Gibbs, why the
president wouldn't release his birth certificate. Gibbs' response was
covered live on C-SPAN and by Fox News Channel and others – excluding
CBS.

It was the first time any member of the press corps has publicly asked a
member of the administration a question directly related to Obama's
constitutional eligibility for office as a "natural born citizen."

Congressional hearings were held to determine whether Sen. John McCain
was constitutionally eligible to be president as a "natural born
citizen," but no controlling legal authority ever sought to verify
Obama's claim to a Hawaiian birth.

Both the petition and the billboard campaign are part of what Farah
calls an independent "truth and transparency campaign."

The first sign to be posted under the campaign, a digital, electronic
one, is up and online on Highway 165 in Ball, La.. In addition, based on
the heavy volume of financial donations in the first days of the
campaign, WND was able to commit to leasing three more standard
billboards – one in Los Angeles, another in Orange County, Calif. and a
third in Pennsylvania.


Birth certificate question being raised in Ball, La

Farah said the campaign was born of frustration with timid elected
officials in Washington, corrupt judges around the country and a news
media that show a stunning lack of curiosity about the most basic facts
of Obama's background – especially how it relates to constitutional
eligibility for the highest office in the land.

"As Obama transforms this country from self-governing constitutional
republic to one governed by a central ruling elite, the simple fact
remains that no controlling legal authority has established that he is
indeed a 'natural born citizen' as the Constitution requires," Farah
said. "Obama's promises of transparency have become a bad joke as he
continues to hide simple, innocuous documents like his birth certificate
and his student records."


Lets hope his forger got all the dots in the right places...because if
there is one tiny screw up...he will NOT survive the purge as president.

VBG

Maybe there is something we can all hope for...."hope and change"

Laugh laugh laugh!!!

Gunner

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"If I say two plus two is four and a Democrat says two plus two is eight,
it's not a partial victory for me when we agree that two plus two is
six. " Jonah Goldberg (modified)

"Ignoramus14859" wrote in message
...
On 2011-04-27, . wrote:
In , Ignoramus14859 wrote:
On 2011-04-27, rangerssuck wrote:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/...th-certificate

Do you think the liars will apologize now?

His grandmother claims she was present at his birth in Kenya. Is that
the liar you're talking about?

I am talking about Republican liars.

You are presenting the "grandmother" story as if it was an established
fact, but it is not an established fact.

Republicans probably invented the story about "grandmother" also. I
would not personally let any of them hold on to my wallet even for a
millisecond.


The "grandmother story" came about due to an interpreter's misinterpretating
her during an interview...a moment later the grandmother emphatically
corrected the interpreter, stating that without a doubt she was in Kenya at
the time of Obama's birth, and that Obama, was born in Hawaii

It's just that the right wing nut jobs always tend to lie about it, ignoring
the correction...in some cases probably even editing it out of the interview
audio..

Here's the conversation:

MCRAE: Could I ask her about his actual birthplace? I would like to see
his birthplace when I come to Kenya in December. Was she present when he was
born in Kenya?

OGOMBE: Yes. She says, yes, she was, she was present when Obama was born.

MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the
hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he
born in Mombasa?

OGOMBE: No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.

MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I
was going to go by and see where he was born.

OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state
of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.

Gunner Asch wrote:

So..is it a forgery or is it real?
So lets see an actual Photocopy of the birth certificate. You do know
that the above..is not a photocopy, dontcha?

Obviously it isn't a photocopy, but they could forge that too. Interesting
how even the signatures are duplicated on paper that didn't exist at the
time. The proper approach from the start would have been for an independent
media (which we don't have) to go and look for it, but they rushed off to
Alaska instead.


This is what they are supposed to look like...G

http://www.wnd.com/images/090728birthcert.gif

That's what I got.


Yall do understand..that if its a fraudulant document..the Obamassiah
will be impeached and imprisoned faster than a fart floats...right?

No he won't be. This is a long way from having 5 women testify that he
raped them.

It's even a long way from having 950 personal FBI files sent to the White
House, one of which got Nixon one of his 5 articles of impeachment. That's
950 articles of impeachment to Nixon's 5. And Nixon's said it didn't matter
if he knew about it because he was responsible anyway.

So you can't seriously believe he'll be impeached.

You're wasting time that should be spent getting him voted out for things we
know, instead of impeached for things we're not sure of.


And while we are at it....how about all of his school records?

If they start at age 5 that wouldn't prove he was born here, while we know
that his formative years were in a country that wouldn't allow us to put a
carrier in their harbor when we were trying to bring them aid after a
tsunami. So he didn't learn much about the US there. This is where the
focus should have been. Along with his attitude woward private business
(enemy territory) expessed in his memoirs. And the fact that his abortion
position is to the left of NARAL, because NARAL had no objection to
requiring doctors to give life support to babies born alive during a failed
abortion. What a mindset this guy has.


In 1990, Obama beat out 18 other contenders to become the first black
president of the Harvard Law Review, where he spent at least 50 hours
a week editing submissions from judges, scholars and authors.

When did he go to class?

The rest of it is nothing compared to what was overlooked in the Clinton
years. It's a waste of time.


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rangerssuck wrote:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/...th-certificate

"It may have been good politics and good TV, but it was bad for the
American people and distracting from the many challenges we face as a
country."

It certainly distracted a lot of people from his genuine shortcomings,

And from his strengths as well.

On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 11:29:22 -0700, "PrecisionmachinisT"
wrote:

MCRAE: Could I ask her about his actual birthplace? I would like to see
his birthplace when I come to Kenya in December. Was she present when he was
born in Kenya?

OGOMBE: Yes. She says, yes, she was, she was present when Obama was born.

So we have records of her visit to the US?

Gunner

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it's not a partial victory for me when we agree that two plus two is
six. " Jonah Goldberg (modified)

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 12:25:16 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"
wrote:

rangerssuck wrote:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/...th-certificate

"It may have been good politics and good TV, but it was bad for the
American
people and distracting from the many challenges we face as a country."

It certainly distracted a lot of people from his genuine shortcomings, so
thanks a lot birthers.

So..is it a forgery or is it real?
So lets see an actual Photocopy of the birth certificate. You do know
that the above..is not a photocopy, dontcha?


It is a photocopy, you moron.

What it "isn't", is a Photostat. A process that made negative copies.

Paul K. Dickman

On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 14:32:47 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:

So..is it a forgery or is it real?
So lets see an actual Photocopy of the birth certificate. You do know
that the above..is not a photocopy, dontcha?

Obviously it isn't a photocopy, but they could forge that too. Interesting
how even the signatures are duplicated on paper that didn't exist at the
time. The proper approach from the start would have been for an independent
media (which we don't have) to go and look for it, but they rushed off to
Alaska instead.


This is what they are supposed to look like...G

http://www.wnd.com/images/090728birthcert.gif

That's what I got.


Yall do understand..that if its a fraudulant document..the Obamassiah
will be impeached and imprisoned faster than a fart floats...right?

No he won't be. This is a long way from having 5 women testify that he
raped them.

It's even a long way from having 950 personal FBI files sent to the White
House, one of which got Nixon one of his 5 articles of impeachment. That's
950 articles of impeachment to Nixon's 5. And Nixon's said it didn't matter
if he knew about it because he was responsible anyway.

So you can't seriously believe he'll be impeached.

You're wasting time that should be spent getting him voted out for things we
know, instead of impeached for things we're not sure of.


And while we are at it....how about all of his school records?

If they start at age 5 that wouldn't prove he was born here, while we know
that his formative years were in a country that wouldn't allow us to put a
carrier in their harbor when we were trying to bring them aid after a
tsunami. So he didn't learn much about the US there. This is where the
focus should have been. Along with his attitude woward private business
(enemy territory) expessed in his memoirs. And the fact that his abortion
position is to the left of NARAL, because NARAL had no objection to
requiring doctors to give life support to babies born alive during a failed
abortion. What a mindset this guy has.


In 1990, Obama beat out 18 other contenders to become the first black
president of the Harvard Law Review, where he spent at least 50 hours
a week editing submissions from judges, scholars and authors.

When did he go to class?

The rest of it is nothing compared to what was overlooked in the Clinton
years. It's a waste of time.


There are lots of people with time on their hands....VBG
Crom knows his party has put a ****load of people on unemployment..or
off unemployment when it ran out.

They have PLENTY of time to keep checking things out. Now that the
Obamassiah finally did something...Im betting they are going to forensic
check everything they can find.

Once the birth cert is reviewed..the same birth cert that the Governor
of Hawaii..a Democrat, admits they couldnt find...(fascinating how that
changed once Trump started winning surveys..isnt it VBG)...they are
going to go after all those missing school records.

At least when the Obamassiah presented a COLB at first..the possiblity
existed that his original had gone missing by mishap or mischance...but
now that its suddenly and miraculously appeared...any denials about his
school records..is simply....not going to be tolerated.

VBG

Its gonna really really suck to be a Leftwinger who kneels before the
Obamassiah......

VBG

Gunner

--
"If I say two plus two is four and a Democrat says two plus two is eight,
it's not a partial victory for me when we agree that two plus two is
six. " Jonah Goldberg (modified)

On 2011-04-27, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 11:29:22 -0700, "PrecisionmachinisT"
wrote:

MCRAE: Could I ask her about his actual birthplace? I would like to see
his birthplace when I come to Kenya in December. Was she present when he was
born in Kenya?

OGOMBE: Yes. She says, yes, she was, she was present when Obama was born.

So we have records of her visit to the US?


You snipped the rest of the text, where it is clarified that she was
in Kenya and Obama was born in US.

Republicans like you give the remaining 10% of them a bad reputation.

MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place,
the
hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born?
Was he
born in Mombasa?

OGOMBE: No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in
America.

MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in
Kenya. I
was going to go by and see where he was born.

Paul K. Dickman wrote:

It is a photocopy, you moron.

The copy would have to be made onto blank anti-counterfeit paper. I never
saw that done with old documents but it might be standard procedure.

Why is the watermark pattern blurred on the curve of the original?


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The copy would have to be made onto blank anti-counterfeit paper. I never
saw that done with old documents but it might be standard procedure.

Why is the watermark pattern blurred on the curve of the original?


It doesn't. It is an optical illusion.
Download the pdf and zoom in. You will see that the bars in the safety paper
don't curve.

Paul K. Dickman

"Tom Del Rosso" wrote in message
...
Paul K. Dickman wrote:

It is a photocopy, you moron.

The copy would have to be made onto blank anti-counterfeit paper. I never
saw that done with old documents but it might be standard procedure.

Why is the watermark pattern blurred on the curve of the original?

It's over. Get over it, Tom. If you keep it up you'll just wind up sounding
like one of the birther nutbags.

--
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John R. Carroll wrote:
Tom Del Rosso wrote:
Paul K. Dickman wrote:

It is a photocopy, you moron.

The copy would have to be made onto blank anti-counterfeit paper. I
never saw that done with old documents but it might be standard
procedure.
Why is the watermark pattern blurred on the curve of the original?

Clearly they used special paper distinctly watermarked for African
American's of Kenyan birth!
Especially future President's of the United States.
eye roll

Right wingers have to be real careful how they phrase anything, because left
wingers will manage to take it the wrong way every time.

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Ed Huntress wrote:

It's over. Get over it, Tom. If you keep it up you'll just wind up
sounding like one of the birther nutbags.

At least I don't sound like them yet.

And I was never not over it.


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It doesn't. It is an optical illusion.
Download the pdf and zoom in. You will see that the bars in the
safety paper don't curve.

I did the same check, although I didn't see the pdf download until after
posting. It looks like it blurred only because the shadow in the original's
curvature made the copy dark.


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"Ignoramus14859" wrote in message
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On 2011-04-27, Gunner Asch wrote:

OGOMBE: Yes. She says, yes, she was, she was present when Obama was
born.

So we have records of her visit to the US?


You snipped the rest of the text, where it is clarified that she was
in Kenya and Obama was born in US.

Republicans like you give the remaining 10% of them a bad reputation.


Which is exactly what I was talking about when I said :

"a moment later the grandmother emphatically
corrected the interpreter, stating that without a doubt she was in Kenya at
the time of Obama's birth, and that Obama, was born in Hawaii"

And when I said:

"right wing nut jobs always tend to lie about it, ignoring
the correction...in some cases probably even editing it out"

MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I
was going to go by and see where he was born.

OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state
of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.

On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 09:29:10 -0500, Ignoramus14859
wrote:

On 2011-04-27, rangerssuck wrote:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/...th-certificate

Do you think the liars will apologize now?

It sure took the CIA a long time to fake that thing, didn't it?

--
Ask not what the world needs. Ask what makes you come
alive... then go do it. Because what the world needs
is people who have come alive. -- Howard Thurman

I think he means all the liars who said O was born in the
States.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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"." wrote in message
...


Do you think the liars will apologize now?

His grandmother claims she was present at his birth in
Kenya. Is that
the liar you're talking about?

My sense, is that a lot of right wingers don't like the
socialist agenda, and the reckless spending. The birth issue
was quick and easy way to get him out.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Tom Del Rosso" wrote in message
...

It certainly distracted a lot of people from his genuine
shortcomings, so
thanks a lot birthers.

"Ed Huntress" wrote:

More like Trump claiming he had "information" that Obama's original record
was "lost," or that he has "investigators" in Hawaii. No one can find any
evidence they exist, nor anyone they have talked to in Hawaii. They must be
awfully small...

Can we get forensic testing of the actual long form? A pdf isn't proof. Might as well
get that out, it will be coming.

FWIW, Bill O'Reily investigated this and his team found notices in the newspaper of the
birth so I'm not inclined to be a birther though has been fun watching this. I'm not
suprized the President released this, there are states that have made disclosure a
requirement to get on the ballot.

I did do a bit of research, I was going to ask where his foot print was but that isn't
what is done. Too bad, it could have eliminated a lot of identity fraud over the years.

I *wish* we would quit wasting time on Trump, he is as republican as Mayor for life
Bloomberg. I was really hoping Halley would run but he decided he would rather have a
life.

Wes

Stormin Mormon wrote:
My sense, is that a lot of right wingers don't like the
socialist agenda, and the reckless spending. The birth issue
was quick and easy way to get him out.

Yeah, but if they had political sense they would have known it was not the
best or quickest way.


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On Apr 27, 6:38*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
My sense, is that a lot of right wingers don't like the
socialist agenda, and the reckless spending. The birth issue
was quick and easy way to get him out.

For some very small value of "quick and easy." What it really did was
expose many right wingers for the petty liars and cheaters that they
are, and their followers for the blind sheep that they are.

If you've got a real issue, get yourself a candidate and fight it out
at the polls.

On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 14:03:21 -0500, "Paul K. Dickman"
wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 12:25:16 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"
wrote:

rangerssuck wrote:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/...th-certificate

"It may have been good politics and good TV, but it was bad for the
American
people and distracting from the many challenges we face as a country."

It certainly distracted a lot of people from his genuine shortcomings, so
thanks a lot birthers.

So..is it a forgery or is it real?
So lets see an actual Photocopy of the birth certificate. You do know
that the above..is not a photocopy, dontcha?


It is a photocopy, you moron.

What it "isn't", is a Photostat. A process that made negative copies.

Paul K. Dickman

Photostat..ok. So its NOT a photostat of the actual document. Correct?

Odd how its all green and everything. Were things printed on green paper
in 1961?

It actually looks like a cut and paste from another birth cert with only
a few things changed.

Surely its not..right? After all..the Governor of Hawii himself spent
months trying to find it..along with his crews..and it didnt turn up.

I wonder where it was....???

VBG

This should be very very interesting if it does turn out to be yet
ANOTHER fraud from the Obamassiah....oh yes indeed...indeedy.

Gunner

--
"If I say two plus two is four and a Democrat says two plus two is eight,
it's not a partial victory for me when we agree that two plus two is
six. " Jonah Goldberg (modified)

On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 12:10:09 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 14:32:47 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:

So..is it a forgery or is it real?
So lets see an actual Photocopy of the birth certificate. You do know
that the above..is not a photocopy, dontcha?

Obviously it isn't a photocopy, but they could forge that too. Interesting
how even the signatures are duplicated on paper that didn't exist at the
time. The proper approach from the start would have been for an independent
media (which we don't have) to go and look for it, but they rushed off to
Alaska instead.


This is what they are supposed to look like...G

http://www.wnd.com/images/090728birthcert.gif

That's what I got.


Yall do understand..that if its a fraudulant document..the Obamassiah
will be impeached and imprisoned faster than a fart floats...right?

No he won't be. This is a long way from having 5 women testify that he
raped them.

It's even a long way from having 950 personal FBI files sent to the White
House, one of which got Nixon one of his 5 articles of impeachment. That's
950 articles of impeachment to Nixon's 5. And Nixon's said it didn't matter
if he knew about it because he was responsible anyway.

So you can't seriously believe he'll be impeached.

You're wasting time that should be spent getting him voted out for things we
know, instead of impeached for things we're not sure of.


And while we are at it....how about all of his school records?

If they start at age 5 that wouldn't prove he was born here, while we know
that his formative years were in a country that wouldn't allow us to put a
carrier in their harbor when we were trying to bring them aid after a
tsunami. So he didn't learn much about the US there. This is where the
focus should have been. Along with his attitude woward private business
(enemy territory) expessed in his memoirs. And the fact that his abortion
position is to the left of NARAL, because NARAL had no objection to
requiring doctors to give life support to babies born alive during a failed
abortion. What a mindset this guy has.


In 1990, Obama beat out 18 other contenders to become the first black
president of the Harvard Law Review, where he spent at least 50 hours
a week editing submissions from judges, scholars and authors.

When did he go to class?

The rest of it is nothing compared to what was overlooked in the Clinton
years. It's a waste of time.


There are lots of people with time on their hands....VBG
Crom knows his party has put a ****load of people on unemployment..or
off unemployment when it ran out.

They have PLENTY of time to keep checking things out. Now that the
Obamassiah finally did something...Im betting they are going to forensic
check everything they can find.

Once the birth cert is reviewed..the same birth cert that the Governor
of Hawaii..a Democrat, admits they couldnt find...(fascinating how that
changed once Trump started winning surveys..isnt it VBG)...they are
going to go after all those missing school records.

At least when the Obamassiah presented a COLB at first..the possiblity
existed that his original had gone missing by mishap or mischance...but
now that its suddenly and miraculously appeared...any denials about his
school records..is simply....not going to be tolerated.

VBG

Its gonna really really suck to be a Leftwinger who kneels before the
Obamassiah......

VBG

Gunner


Oh..I forgot to mention..Im curious..why did the Obamassiah spend over
$2 MILLION dollars up to now, to prevent any and everyone from seeing
this alleged real birth cert?

It was the taxpayers money after all..and the question is going to be
asked over and over.....

So perhaps one of you Lefties could let us know why he and you spent
$2,000,000+ of our money to prevent the simple showing of this document
for over 3 yrs?

Inquiring minds..really want to know. Oh indeedy.

And Im still wondering why the State of Hawaii refused to acknowlege him
as a natural born citizen in 2008..and why the Governor of Hawaii ..a
Democrat, claimed that they couldnt find it in January of this year?

It really tends to stick in ones mind....the answer to those
questions...
VBG


Gunner

--
"If I say two plus two is four and a Democrat says two plus two is eight,
it's not a partial victory for me when we agree that two plus two is
six. " Jonah Goldberg (modified)

On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 14:33:35 -0500, Ignoramus14859
wrote:

On 2011-04-27, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 11:29:22 -0700, "PrecisionmachinisT"
wrote:

MCRAE: Could I ask her about his actual birthplace? I would like to see
his birthplace when I come to Kenya in December. Was she present when he was
born in Kenya?

OGOMBE: Yes. She says, yes, she was, she was present when Obama was born.

So we have records of her visit to the US?


You snipped the rest of the text, where it is clarified that she was
in Kenya and Obama was born in US.

Then if she was present when he was born..she would have had to have
come to the States..right? You doing without your coffee this
afternoon?

So she either lied about being present when he was born..or someone is
lying about him being born in Hawaii.

Simple..no?


Republicans like you give the remaining 10% of them a bad reputation.

The remaining 10%? Then you are claiming that 90% of the Republicans
dont think he was US born?

Btw..Im a registered Democrat. Just so you should know.

VBG

Gunner


MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place,
the
hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born?
Was he
born in Mombasa?

OGOMBE: No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in
America.

MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in
Kenya. I
was going to go by and see where he was born.


--
"If I say two plus two is four and a Democrat says two plus two is eight,
it's not a partial victory for me when we agree that two plus two is
six. " Jonah Goldberg (modified)

On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 14:35:16 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 09:29:10 -0500, Ignoramus14859
wrote:

On 2011-04-27, rangerssuck wrote:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/...th-certificate

Do you think the liars will apologize now?

It sure took the CIA a long time to fake that thing, didn't it?

Id doubt it was the CIA. NSA maybe..but Im sure he doesnt have any big
fans in any of those organizations. Forgers are easy to find, if you
have lots of money to spend.

Afterall..he spent $2 million dollars + to prevent it from being shown
in court and so forth.

One simply has to wonder why he spent so much taxpayers money on hiding
it..and why the various government officials of Hawaii have gone on
record saying it couldnt be found..and then suddenly when Trump is
scoring such high poll numbers...it suddenly appears.

Fascinating those questions..when you think about it...

Gunner

--
"If I say two plus two is four and a Democrat says two plus two is eight,
it's not a partial victory for me when we agree that two plus two is
six. " Jonah Goldberg (modified)

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 14:03:21 -0500, "Paul K. Dickman"
wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 12:25:16 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"
wrote:

rangerssuck wrote:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/...th-certificate

"It may have been good politics and good TV, but it was bad for the
American
people and distracting from the many challenges we face as a country."

It certainly distracted a lot of people from his genuine shortcomings,
so
thanks a lot birthers.

So..is it a forgery or is it real?
So lets see an actual Photocopy of the birth certificate. You do know
that the above..is not a photocopy, dontcha?


It is a photocopy, you moron.

What it "isn't", is a Photostat. A process that made negative copies.

Paul K. Dickman

Photostat..ok. So its NOT a photostat of the actual document. Correct?

Odd how its all green and everything. Were things printed on green paper
in 1961?


Once again, you moron.
The green part isn't the part that is copied,
it is the paper it is copied onto.
It is green safety copier paper.

Paul K. Dickman

On 2011-04-27, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:
My sense, is that a lot of right wingers don't like the
socialist agenda, and the reckless spending. The birth issue
was quick and easy way to get him out.

Yeah, but if they had political sense they would have known it was not the
best or quickest way.



If they had a notion that it is better to be honest, rather than to
engage in "quick and dirty ways", then they would not make the
remaining 10% of Republicans look bad.

On 4/27/2011 12:49 PM, John R. Carroll wrote:
Tom Del Rosso wrote:
Paul K. Dickman wrote:

It is a photocopy, you moron.

The copy would have to be made onto blank anti-counterfeit paper. I
never saw that done with old documents but it might be standard
procedure.
Why is the watermark pattern blurred on the curve of the original?

Clearly they used special paper distinctly watermarked for African
American's of Kenyan birth!
Especially future President's of the United States.
eye roll



I said from the beginning it was a mistake to give in to the birthers
and show them the birth certificate. I said that even if you gave them
the real thing they would not accept it as legitimate. They would say it
was forged or it was some kind of fake or some other such nonsense. Sure
enough, Obama gives out his long form birth certificate, and it's not
enough for the dyed in the wool birthers. They still have more questions.

You might ask what more do these people want? They don't care about the
truth. All they want is to create a side show. They want something to
attack the president over. They have little else to criticize him over
so this is their only means of attacking him. He should have kept it
hidden. Giving in to those jokers just eggs them on to do more of the
same. I wouldn't give the schmucks the time of day. Obama will see that
giving them the facts won't change their minds, which is why he should
have left them guessing. Too late for that now.

Hawke

In article , wrote:

I'm not suprized the President released this, there are states that have made
disclosure a requirement to get on the ballot.

Name one.