Apparently the 2010 Census has unlimited funding and
will now be a continuous agency. Anyway, that's the
way it seems from here.

1) Last year a census worker knocked on our door in
Shiprock, NM, asked a few questions, and left. I
thought, "Oh, we lucked out and got the short form
this decade."

2) A month or so later, another census worker knocked
on the door, saying that the first worker didn't do
a satisfactory job. Asked a few more questions, but
still, not more than a couple minutes.

3) After we'd moved here, (probably in Aug.) a
pair of census workers showed up with a laptop and
program with a LONG set of questions, many of which
were redundant and even ridiculous. It took at least
twenty minutes. Idiocy such as "Are you male or
female?" Or on and on asking the same thing in
different ways...
"Were you living here on April 1st?"
"No, we were in Shiprock, NM."
"Where did you live on April 1st"
"I just said, Shiprock, NM."
"How long have you lived here?"
"Oh, about two months."
"Did you or any of your household live elsewhere on April 1st?"
"I just told you... We were in Shiprock, so obviously, yes."
"Which of your household lived elsewhere on April 1st?"
"We both did."
"Do you spend time between multiple residences during the course of the year?"
"No."
"Were you spending time at another of your residences on April 1st?"
"ARGH!" (Yes, I actually did make a noise approximating that)

About then I wanted to slam the door in their faces,
but knew they (or someone else) would just be back
later. I sighed, sucked it up, and continued with
the most idiotic exchange you can possibly imagine.

4) A little over a month ago or so, a census worker
showed up with a clipboard and asked my wife more
questions. (I wasn't home at the time and about the
only thing my wife reported was that the woman was
nice.)

5) About two weeks ago, fairly early in the morning,
there was a knock at the door. I was in my bathrobe,
so ignored it... but the knocking was persistent, so
I looked out the window. It was a census worker. I
went and got dressed, but by the time I got to the
door, the census worker was gone.

6) Yesterday I found a Census 2010 Notice of Visit
Form D-26 in the driveway "informing" that Gloria
Mahle had visited. I have no idea when she visited,
or even if it was our house. For all I know, this
could have blown over from next door or down the
street somewhere.

Will this stupid census EVER be completed? Or will
they count us in Shiprock, and then again here, and
then again wherever we move next? How many frelling
Census interviews does it take?

Steve Ackman wrote:
Apparently the 2010 Census has unlimited funding and
will now be a continuous agency. Anyway, that's the
way it seems from here.

1) Last year a census worker knocked on our door in
Shiprock, NM, asked a few questions, and left. I
thought, "Oh, we lucked out and got the short form
this decade."

2) A month or so later, another census worker knocked
on the door, saying that the first worker didn't do
a satisfactory job. Asked a few more questions, but
still, not more than a couple minutes.

3) After we'd moved here, (probably in Aug.) a
pair of census workers showed up with a laptop and
program with a LONG set of questions, many of which
were redundant and even ridiculous. It took at least
twenty minutes. Idiocy such as "Are you male or
female?" Or on and on asking the same thing in
different ways...
"Were you living here on April 1st?"
"No, we were in Shiprock, NM."
"Where did you live on April 1st"
"I just said, Shiprock, NM."
"How long have you lived here?"
"Oh, about two months."
"Did you or any of your household live elsewhere on April 1st?"
"I just told you... We were in Shiprock, so obviously, yes."
"Which of your household lived elsewhere on April 1st?"
"We both did."
"Do you spend time between multiple residences during the course of
the year?" "No."
"Were you spending time at another of your residences on April 1st?"
"ARGH!" (Yes, I actually did make a noise approximating that)

About then I wanted to slam the door in their faces,
but knew they (or someone else) would just be back
later. I sighed, sucked it up, and continued with
the most idiotic exchange you can possibly imagine.

4) A little over a month ago or so, a census worker
showed up with a clipboard and asked my wife more
questions. (I wasn't home at the time and about the
only thing my wife reported was that the woman was
nice.)

5) About two weeks ago, fairly early in the morning,
there was a knock at the door. I was in my bathrobe,
so ignored it... but the knocking was persistent, so
I looked out the window. It was a census worker. I
went and got dressed, but by the time I got to the
door, the census worker was gone.

6) Yesterday I found a Census 2010 Notice of Visit
Form D-26 in the driveway "informing" that Gloria
Mahle had visited. I have no idea when she visited,
or even if it was our house. For all I know, this
could have blown over from next door or down the
street somewhere.

Will this stupid census EVER be completed? Or will
they count us in Shiprock, and then again here, and
then again wherever we move next? How many frelling
Census interviews does it take?

the census has been over for a while now. results, by law, had to be turned
over to congress by 10-12-31. i'd suspect that these were fraudulant
attempts and i would ask for an official id from them before answering any
questions.

In , on Wed, 6 Apr 2011 10:37:59 -0700,
chaniarts, wrote:

Steve Ackman wrote:
Apparently the 2010 Census has unlimited funding and
will now be a continuous agency. Anyway, that's the
way it seems from here.

1) Last year a census worker knocked on our door in
Shiprock, NM, asked a few questions, and left. I
thought, "Oh, we lucked out and got the short form
this decade."

2) A month or so later, another census worker knocked
on the door, saying that the first worker didn't do
a satisfactory job. Asked a few more questions, but
still, not more than a couple minutes.

3) After we'd moved here, (probably in Aug.) a
pair of census workers showed up with a laptop and
program with a LONG set of questions, many of which
were redundant and even ridiculous. It took at least
twenty minutes. Idiocy such as "Are you male or
female?" Or on and on asking the same thing in
different ways...
"Were you living here on April 1st?"
"No, we were in Shiprock, NM."
"Where did you live on April 1st"
"I just said, Shiprock, NM."
"How long have you lived here?"
"Oh, about two months."
"Did you or any of your household live elsewhere on April 1st?"
"I just told you... We were in Shiprock, so obviously, yes."
"Which of your household lived elsewhere on April 1st?"
"We both did."
"Do you spend time between multiple residences during the course of
the year?" "No."
"Were you spending time at another of your residences on April 1st?"
"ARGH!" (Yes, I actually did make a noise approximating that)

About then I wanted to slam the door in their faces,
but knew they (or someone else) would just be back
later. I sighed, sucked it up, and continued with
the most idiotic exchange you can possibly imagine.

4) A little over a month ago or so, a census worker
showed up with a clipboard and asked my wife more
questions. (I wasn't home at the time and about the
only thing my wife reported was that the woman was
nice.)

5) About two weeks ago, fairly early in the morning,
there was a knock at the door. I was in my bathrobe,
so ignored it... but the knocking was persistent, so
I looked out the window. It was a census worker. I
went and got dressed, but by the time I got to the
door, the census worker was gone.

6) Yesterday I found a Census 2010 Notice of Visit
Form D-26 in the driveway "informing" that Gloria
Mahle had visited. I have no idea when she visited,
or even if it was our house. For all I know, this
could have blown over from next door or down the
street somewhere.

Will this stupid census EVER be completed? Or will
they count us in Shiprock, and then again here, and
then again wherever we move next? How many frelling
Census interviews does it take?

the census has been over for a while now. results, by law, had to be turned
over to congress by 10-12-31. i'd suspect that these were fraudulant
attempts and i would ask for an official id from them before answering any
questions.

Items 1 - 3: They wear it hanging around their necks.
You don't have to ask to see it.

Item 4: I can't say since it was my wife who
talked to her.

Item 5: I saw a laptop carrying bag over her
shoulder with what appeared to be a Census logo
through the window. Granted, I "assumed" this was
someone from the Census.

Item 6: It sure looks like an official Form D-26
to me... for whatever that's worth.

Steve Ackman wrote:

Apparently the 2010 Census has unlimited funding and
will now be a continuous agency. Anyway, that's the
way it seems from here.

[MONGO long whine snipped}

When the census taker comes to the door, you answer the door, and
you say, "There are number adults and number children here.
Good-Bye."slam

If another census taker comes to the door, say, "No, thanks, we
already answered."slam

Cheers!
Rich

On Apr 6, 1:06*pm, Steve Ackman
wrote:
* Apparently the 2010 Census has unlimited funding and
will now be a continuous agency. *Anyway, that's the
way it seems from here.

[big snip}

I'd suggest you give the Census Bureau a call to find out if this was
an attempt at identity theft. They will, most surely, be interested.

Census Bureau Call Center
General Telephone Lines: 1-800-923-8282 (Monday to Thursday: 8:30 -
5:30 ET Friday: 8:30-4:30 ET)

In , on Wed, 6 Apr 2011 10:37:59 -0700,
chaniarts, wrote:

the census has been over for a while now. results, by law, had to be turned
over to congress by 10-12-31. i'd suspect that these were fraudulant
attempts and i would ask for an official id from them before answering any
questions.

I should have googled before ranting. Then I'd
have known better what to rant about.

http://2010.census.gov/partners/pdf/ConstituentFAQ.pdf

27. Why was I visited multiple times?
Quality checks are used to assure our procedures are working and that staff
is doing the job as assigned. These checks require that some households be
visited several times.

35. I've heard talk about the American Community Survey. What is it and why
are you conducting it?
The American Community Survey is part of the Decennial Census Program.
While the 10-year census counts the number of people who live in the United
States, the American Community Survey shows how people live -- our
education, housing, jobs and more.
The American Community Survey asks essentially the same questions that used
to be on the long form of the census, except it is conducted throughout the
year and throughout the decade. This allows the Census Bureau to produce
new data every year, instead of only once every 10 years. So, while the old
"long
form" was a once-a-decade snapshot of an area -- one that grew increasingly
faded with age -- the American Community Survey takes a new picture every
year, creating a year-by-year look at how the area is changing.

In , on Wed, 06 Apr 2011 11:43:41 -0700, Rich
Grise, lid wrote:

Steve Ackman wrote:

Apparently the 2010 Census has unlimited funding and
will now be a continuous agency. Anyway, that's the
way it seems from here.

[MONGO long whine snipped}

When the census taker comes to the door, you answer the door, and
you say, "There are number adults and number children here.
Good-Bye."slam

If another census taker comes to the door, say, "No, thanks, we
already answered."slam

11. What happens if I don't respond?
Although the law makes it a crime not to answer the decennial census, the
American Community Survey and other mandatory censuses, and authorizes
the courts to impose a fine of up to $5,000 for failure to respond...

Steve Ackman wrote:
In , on Wed, 06 Apr 2011 11:43:41 -0700, Rich
Grise, lid wrote:

Steve Ackman wrote:

Apparently the 2010 Census has unlimited funding and
will now be a continuous agency. Anyway, that's the
way it seems from here.

[MONGO long whine snipped}

When the census taker comes to the door, you answer the door, and
you say, "There are number adults and number children here.
Good-Bye."slam

If another census taker comes to the door, say, "No, thanks, we
already answered."slam

11. What happens if I don't respond?
Although the law makes it a crime not to answer the decennial census, the
American Community Survey and other mandatory censuses, and authorizes
the courts to impose a fine of up to $5,000 for failure to respond...

j-walking is usually illegal too. big deal.

On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 11:50:08 -0700, Steve Ackman
wrote:

In , on Wed, 6 Apr 2011 10:37:59 -0700,
chaniarts, wrote:

the census has been over for a while now. results, by law, had to be turned
over to congress by 10-12-31. i'd suspect that these were fraudulant
attempts and i would ask for an official id from them before answering any
questions.

I should have googled before ranting. Then I'd
have known better what to rant about.

http://2010.census.gov/partners/pdf/ConstituentFAQ.pdf

27. Why was I visited multiple times?
Quality checks are used to assure our procedures are working and that staff
is doing the job as assigned. These checks require that some households be
visited several times.

35. I've heard talk about the American Community Survey. What is it and why
are you conducting it?
The American Community Survey is part of the Decennial Census Program.
While the 10-year census counts the number of people who live in the United
States, the American Community Survey shows how people live -- our
education, housing, jobs and more.
The American Community Survey asks essentially the same questions that used
to be on the long form of the census, except it is conducted throughout the
year and throughout the decade. This allows the Census Bureau to produce
new data every year, instead of only once every 10 years. So, while the old
"long
form" was a once-a-decade snapshot of an area -- one that grew increasingly
faded with age -- the American Community Survey takes a new picture every
year, creating a year-by-year look at how the area is changing.

Well thanks for clearing that up. I was starting to wonder cause they
seem to just love me. First kid quit after the first house. LOL and
then at least 2 more visits, last one was the boss. I've got a tax guy
like that also, aren't they suppose to set an appointment?

So, they just never go away, great.


SW

Cydrome Leader wrote:
Steve Ackman wrote:
In , on Wed, 06 Apr 2011 11:43:41 -0700,
Rich Grise, lid wrote:

Steve Ackman wrote:

Apparently the 2010 Census has unlimited funding and
will now be a continuous agency. Anyway, that's the
way it seems from here.

[MONGO long whine snipped}

When the census taker comes to the door, you answer the door, and
you say, "There are number adults and number children here.
Good-Bye."slam

If another census taker comes to the door, say, "No, thanks, we
already answered."slam

11. What happens if I don't respond?
Although the law makes it a crime not to answer the decennial
census, the American Community Survey and other mandatory censuses,
and authorizes the courts to impose a fine of up to $5,000 for
failure to respond...

j-walking is usually illegal too. big deal.

my wife got a ticket jaywalking through a red light once. downtown phx,
middle of summer, 115F out, streets looked like they were neutron bombed (no
one seen for blocks).

she got accosted by an overzealous cop. first thing he was demanded a
driver's license. gave her a long safety speech, followed by a $25 ticket.

On Apr 6, 2:54*pm, Steve Ackman st...@SNIP-


11. What happens if I don't respond?
Although the law makes it a crime not to answer the decennial census, the
American Community Survey and other mandatory censuses, and authorizes
the courts to impose a fine of up to $5,000 for failure to respond...

In theory they can fine you. In practice they will go away. I worked
for the Census for some of the time when the 2010 census was going
on. As I remember you had to make three attempts. The first one was
required to be an actual visit.

Dan

" on Wed, 6 Apr 2011 14:33:05 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Apr 6, 2:54*pm, Steve Ackman st...@SNIP-


11. What happens if I don't respond?
Although the law makes it a crime not to answer the decennial census, the
American Community Survey and other mandatory censuses, and authorizes
the courts to impose a fine of up to $5,000 for failure to respond...

In theory they can fine you. In practice they will go away. I worked
for the Census for some of the time when the 2010 census was going
on. As I remember you had to make three attempts. The first one was
required to be an actual visit.

And we could always ask the neighbors.


tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

On Apr 6, 5:33*pm, " wrote:
On Apr 6, 2:54*pm, Steve Ackman st...@SNIP-

11. What happens if I don't respond?
Although the law makes it a crime not to answer the decennial census, the
American Community Survey and other mandatory censuses, and authorizes
the courts to impose a fine of up to $5,000 for failure to respond...

In theory they can fine you. *In practice they will go away. *I worked
for the Census for some of the time when the 2010 census was going
on. *As I remember you had to make three attempts. *The first one was
required to be an actual visit.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Dan

I have to say that not responding to the census is one of the more
idiotic things one can do. All sorts of things depend on census data,
like the number of congressional representatives your state has, the
amount of federal funding for various programs, little things like
that.

In article , rangerssuck wrote:

I have to say that not responding to the census is one of the more
idiotic things one can do. All sorts of things depend on census data,
like the number of congressional representatives your state has, the
amount of federal funding for various programs, little things like
that.

The only thing that the Constitution authorizes the census to do is count
people. I don't think very many people object to that; rather, most of the
objections are to the *other* questions asked by the census, things that have
nothing whatever to do with counting people and are not authorized by the
Constitution. Unquestionably, the Federal government is empowered by the
Constitution to count how many people live in my house -- but it's none of
their damn business how many telephones or toilets there are in my house, or
how much money I make, or what color my skin is, or what language I speak.

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
...
In article
,
rangerssuck wrote:

I have to say that not responding to the census is one of the more
idiotic things one can do. All sorts of things depend on census data,
like the number of congressional representatives your state has, the
amount of federal funding for various programs, little things like
that.

The only thing that the Constitution authorizes the census to do is count
people. I don't think very many people object to that; rather, most of the
objections are to the *other* questions asked by the census, things that
have
nothing whatever to do with counting people and are not authorized by the
Constitution. Unquestionably, the Federal government is empowered by the
Constitution to count how many people live in my house -- but it's none of
their damn business how many telephones or toilets there are in my house,
or
how much money I make, or what color my skin is, or what language I speak.

It's authorized under the "Necessary and Proper" clause.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessa..._Proper_Clause

You may not like it, but it's well within the authority of the federal
government.

--
Ed Huntress

On 4/7/2011 7:50 AM, Doug Miller wrote:
In , wrote:

I have to say that not responding to the census is one of the more
idiotic things one can do. All sorts of things depend on census data,
like the number of congressional representatives your state has, the
amount of federal funding for various programs, little things like
that.

The only thing that the Constitution authorizes the census to do is count
people.

That's false, of course. The Constitution is silent on what information
Congress may authorize to be collected in the census.

The courts have held that the collection of data beyond a simple
headcount is constitutionally permitted:

As early as 1870, the Supreme Court characterized as unquestionable
the power of Congress to require both an enumeration and the
collection of statistics in the census. The Legal Tender Cases,
Tex.1870; 12 Wall., U.S., 457, 536, 20 L.Ed. 287. In 1901, a
District Court said the Constitution's census clause (Art. 1, Sec.
2, Clause 3) is not limited to a headcount of the population and
"does not prohibit the gathering of other statistics, if 'necessary
and proper,' for the intelligent exercise of other powers enumerated
in the constitution, and in such case there could be no objection to
acquiring this information through the same machinery by which the
population is enumerated." United States v. Moriarity, 106 F. 886,
891 (S.D.N.Y.1901).

http://2010.census.gov/2010census/wh...titutional.php