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Is the purpose of the goop they slather around the bead of a tubeless
tire to lubricate during installation, to help seal the tire rim
interface, or both? I have a freebee dolly on which one of the tire has
a very very slow leak at the interface. What is this goop? The local
auto parts store was of no help.

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Is the purpose of the goop they slather around the bead of a tubeless
tire to lubricate during installation, to help seal the tire rim
interface, or both? I have a freebee dolly on which one of the tire has
a very very slow leak at the interface. What is this goop? The local
auto parts store was of no help.

Thanks

Chuck P.


You can buy it from a distributor that sells tools and supplies to tire
shops. It's like a thick soap, I think the answer is both, although it
certainly does not stop all leaks.


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Is the purpose of the goop they slather around the bead of a tubeless
tire to lubricate during installation, to help seal the tire rim
interface, or both? I have a freebee dolly on which one of the tire has
a very very slow leak at the interface. What is this goop? The local
auto parts store was of no help.

Thanks

Chuck P.

Which goop?
There are a couple.
One is strictly a lube, it's basically water with some surfactant and
water soluble oil.
Then you have actual tire bead sealant. It is basically a thin rubber
cement with carbon black as a thickening agent.

The first is used to slip the tire over the rim easier and reduce the
possibility of bead damage.
The second is used on pitted aluminum or steel rims to seal the pits and
retain air.

If you only have a small tire then you could simply use a small amount
of rubber cement around the bead. It will do the same thing as the tire
sealant.

Advance, Parts Plus, NAPA all carry it.

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Is the purpose of the goop they slather around the bead of a tubeless
tire to lubricate during installation, to help seal the tire rim
interface, or both? I have a freebee dolly on which one of the tire has
a very very slow leak at the interface. What is this goop? The local
auto parts store was of no help.


Generally, it's just a soapy water mix for lubing the tire onto the
rim. Once it evaporates, it's gone. There is no extra sealing
capability.

To seal from the inside, install some of the green slime.
http://tinyurl.com/4nz5zz2

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On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:59:18 -0800, Pilgrim
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Is the purpose of the goop they slather around the bead of a tubeless
tire to lubricate during installation, to help seal the tire rim
interface, or both? I have a freebee dolly on which one of the tire has
a very very slow leak at the interface. What is this goop? The local
auto parts store was of no help.


Generally, it's just a soapy water mix for lubing the tire onto the
rim. Once it evaporates, it's gone. There is no extra sealing
capability.

To seal from the inside, install some of the green slime.http://tinyurl.com/4nz5zz2

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Remember, in an emergency, dial 1911.


Second on the Slime. I've got a tubeless tire on one dolly that does
exactly that, a short shot of the slime fixed it up.

I've only ever seen them use a swab with some tire soap on it when
mounting my tires, comes in a bucket. Only for seating beads and
keeping the rubber from tearing when stretching it over the rims.
Lubricant only, no sealing properties.

Now if you've got a tube in your tire, the slime may just make a mess,
you'd have to patch the tube.

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Is the purpose of the goop they slather around the bead of a tubeless
tire to lubricate during installation, to help seal the tire rim
interface, or both? I have a freebee dolly on which one of the tire has
a very very slow leak at the interface. What is this goop? The local
auto parts store was of no help.

Thanks

Chuck P.


Murphy's soap. Lubricant only; no sealing properties.

For a one time deal, mix some stout dish washing soap solution.

DO NOT use diesel or any petroleum product.
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On Feb 14, 9:30*am, Larry Jaques
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:59:18 -0800, Pilgrim
wrote:

Is the purpose of the goop they slather around the bead of a tubeless
tire to lubricate during installation, to help seal the tire rim
interface, or both? I have a freebee dolly on which one of the tire has
a very very slow leak at the interface. What is this goop? The local
auto parts store was of no help.


Generally, it's just a soapy water mix for lubing the tire onto the
rim. Once it evaporates, it's gone. There is no extra sealing
capability.

To seal from the inside, install some of the green slime.
http://tinyurl.com/4nz5zz2

--
Remember, in an emergency, dial 1911.


Second on the Slime. I've got a tubeless tire on one dolly that does
exactly that, a short shot of the slime fixed it up.

I've only ever seen them use a swab with some tire soap on it when
mounting my tires, comes in a bucket. Only for seating beads and
keeping the rubber from tearing when stretching it over the rims.
Lubricant only, no sealing properties.

Now if you've got a tube in your tire, the slime may just make a mess,
you'd have to patch the tube.

Stan

The thing I can't understand, is why manufacturers insist on mounting
tubeless tires on everything such as wheelbarrows, snowblowers and
other low speed equipment. I can understand that tubless tires run
cooler at high speed but on a wheelbarrow? snowblower? After ten
years, the tires are checked and the rims are rusted, so the owner
gets to install the tube that should have been there in the first
place. The lawn tractor with low pressure tires does a sharp turn and
catches some grass stems or twigs in the bead and developes a slow
leak (I, personaly, traced this down and fixed it - the lady was using
a bicycle pump every time she went to cut the grass).
What is there for not installing tube type tires on low speed
equipment?
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada
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On Feb 14, 9:30 am, Larry
wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:59:18 -0800,
wrote:

Is the purpose of the goop they slather around the bead of a tubeless
tire to lubricate during installation, to help seal the tire rim
interface, or both? I have a freebee dolly on which one of the tire has
a very very slow leak at the interface. What is this goop? The local
auto parts store was of no help.

Generally, it's just a soapy water mix for lubing the tire onto the
rim. Once it evaporates, it's gone. There is no extra sealing
capability.

To seal from the inside, install some of the green slime.
http://tinyurl.com/4nz5zz2

--
Remember, in an emergency, dial 1911.


Second on the Slime. I've got a tubeless tire on one dolly that does
exactly that, a short shot of the slime fixed it up.

I've only ever seen them use a swab with some tire soap on it when
mounting my tires, comes in a bucket. Only for seating beads and
keeping the rubber from tearing when stretching it over the rims.
Lubricant only, no sealing properties.

Now if you've got a tube in your tire, the slime may just make a mess,
you'd have to patch the tube.

Stan

The thing I can't understand, is why manufacturers insist on mounting
tubeless tires on everything such as wheelbarrows, snowblowers and
other low speed equipment. I can understand that tubless tires run
cooler at high speed but on a wheelbarrow? snowblower? After ten
years, the tires are checked and the rims are rusted, so the owner
gets to install the tube that should have been there in the first
place. The lawn tractor with low pressure tires does a sharp turn and
catches some grass stems or twigs in the bead and developes a slow
leak (I, personaly, traced this down and fixed it - the lady was using
a bicycle pump every time she went to cut the grass).
What is there for not installing tube type tires on low speed
equipment?
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada



A wheelbarrow tire is one of the hardest tires to seal the bead on after
it has been broken. Filling the tire with foam is one solution.

John
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Cost. Of the tube itself & installing it. Bob


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What is there for not installing tube type tires on low speed
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A tube costs $2.00.

Cheers!
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On Feb 14, 9:30 am, Larry
wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:59:18 -0800,
wrote:

Is the purpose of the goop they slather around the bead of a tubeless
tire to lubricate during installation, to help seal the tire rim
interface, or both? I have a freebee dolly on which one of the tire has
a very very slow leak at the interface. What is this goop? The local
auto parts store was of no help.

Generally, it's just a soapy water mix for lubing the tire onto the
rim. Once it evaporates, it's gone. There is no extra sealing
capability.

To seal from the inside, install some of the green slime.
http://tinyurl.com/4nz5zz2

--
Remember, in an emergency, dial 1911.

Second on the Slime. I've got a tubeless tire on one dolly that does
exactly that, a short shot of the slime fixed it up.

I've only ever seen them use a swab with some tire soap on it when
mounting my tires, comes in a bucket. Only for seating beads and
keeping the rubber from tearing when stretching it over the rims.
Lubricant only, no sealing properties.

Now if you've got a tube in your tire, the slime may just make a mess,
you'd have to patch the tube.

Stan

The thing I can't understand, is why manufacturers insist on mounting
tubeless tires on everything such as wheelbarrows, snowblowers and
other low speed equipment. I can understand that tubless tires run
cooler at high speed but on a wheelbarrow? snowblower? After ten
years, the tires are checked and the rims are rusted, so the owner
gets to install the tube that should have been there in the first
place. The lawn tractor with low pressure tires does a sharp turn and
catches some grass stems or twigs in the bead and developes a slow
leak (I, personaly, traced this down and fixed it - the lady was using
a bicycle pump every time she went to cut the grass).
What is there for not installing tube type tires on low speed
equipment?
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada



A wheelbarrow tire is one of the hardest tires to seal the bead on after
it has been broken. Filling the tire with foam is one solution.

John

Just put a tube in and be done with it until the tire rots off in
another 20 years.
Gerry :-)}
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Cost. Of the tube itself & installing it. Bob

About what I figured.
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Is the purpose of the goop they slather around the bead of a tubeless
tire to lubricate during installation, to help seal the tire rim
interface, or both? I have a freebee dolly on which one of the tire has
a very very slow leak at the interface. What is this goop? The local
auto parts store was of no help.

Thanks

Chuck P.


My understanding is the goop is vegetable oil. It acts as a lubricant
which helps to get the bead seated on the rim.

Recently I came back to my truck and found it blocked in by a tire
service truck. He was trying to get a truck tire seated on the rim.
He had a little air tank with a one inch ball valve going to a bit of
one inch pipe. The free end of the pipe was somewhat flattened. He
would lubricate the bead and then slip the pipe between the bead and
the rim. Hit the ball valve and the tire would almost seat. The pipe
got pushed out of the way as the tire started to seat. The rim had a
few rough spots and would not get a good seal.

After a few attempts that failed, he got a can of starter fluid and
sprayed some inside the tire. Then tossed a match. There was a poof
and the bead was seated.

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The thing I can't understand, is why manufacturers insist on mounting
tubeless tires on everything such as wheelbarrows, snowblowers and
other low speed equipment. I can understand that tubless tires run
cooler at high speed but on a wheelbarrow? snowblower? After ten
years, the tires are checked and the rims are rusted, so the owner
gets to install the tube that should have been there in the first
place. The lawn tractor with low pressure tires does a sharp turn and
catches some grass stems or twigs in the bead and developes a slow
leak (I, personaly, traced this down and fixed it - the lady was using
a bicycle pump every time she went to cut the grass).
What is there for not installing tube type tires on low speed
equipment?
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada


A tubeless tire can be mounted and inflated by a robot. Not so for
stuffing a tube, pulling the valve stem and inflating.


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The thing I can't understand, is why manufacturers insist on mounting
tubeless tires on everything such as wheelbarrows, snowblowers and
other low speed equipment. I can understand that tubless tires run
cooler at high speed but on a wheelbarrow? snowblower? After ten
years, the tires are checked and the rims are rusted, so the owner
gets to install the tube that should have been there in the first
place. The lawn tractor with low pressure tires does a sharp turn and
catches some grass stems or twigs in the bead and developes a slow
leak (I, personaly, traced this down and fixed it - the lady was using
a bicycle pump every time she went to cut the grass).
What is there for not installing tube type tires on low speed
equipment?


A tubeless tire can be mounted and inflated by a robot. Not so for
stuffing a tube, pulling the valve stem and inflating.


Speaking of stuffing a tube, where do you get unscented talcum powder?

Thanks,
Rich


Many of the medicated powders are unscented; maybe with a little boric
acid and zinc oxide.
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The thing I can't understand, is why manufacturers insist on mounting
tubeless tires on everything such as wheelbarrows, snowblowers and
other low speed equipment. I can understand that tubless tires run
cooler at high speed but on a wheelbarrow? snowblower? After ten
years, the tires are checked and the rims are rusted, so the owner
gets to install the tube that should have been there in the first
place. The lawn tractor with low pressure tires does a sharp turn and
catches some grass stems or twigs in the bead and developes a slow
leak (I, personaly, traced this down and fixed it - the lady was using
a bicycle pump every time she went to cut the grass).
What is there for not installing tube type tires on low speed
equipment?


A tubeless tire can be mounted and inflated by a robot. Not so for
stuffing a tube, pulling the valve stem and inflating.


Speaking of stuffing a tube, where do you get unscented talcum powder?


I'd like to find some, too. I'd been using baby-smelling stuff for
dusting my face prior to electric shaving, but have tried plain
cornstarch lately.

Hmm, one recipe is 1 cup rice flour + 1/2 cup cornstarch + essential
oils. Leave out the oils and you have your unscented. Find the rest
in the bulk food section of major markets.

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Gerald Miller wrote:
On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:55:08 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Feb 14, 9:30 am, Larry
wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:59:18 -0800,
wrote:

Is the purpose of the goop they slather around the bead of a tubeless
tire to lubricate during installation, to help seal the tire rim
interface, or both? I have a freebee dolly on which one of the tire has
a very very slow leak at the interface. What is this goop? The local
auto parts store was of no help.

Generally, it's just a soapy water mix for lubing the tire onto the
rim. Once it evaporates, it's gone. There is no extra sealing
capability.

To seal from the inside, install some of the green slime.
http://tinyurl.com/4nz5zz2

--
Remember, in an emergency, dial 1911.

Second on the Slime. I've got a tubeless tire on one dolly that does
exactly that, a short shot of the slime fixed it up.

I've only ever seen them use a swab with some tire soap on it when
mounting my tires, comes in a bucket. Only for seating beads and
keeping the rubber from tearing when stretching it over the rims.
Lubricant only, no sealing properties.

Now if you've got a tube in your tire, the slime may just make a mess,
you'd have to patch the tube.

Stan
The thing I can't understand, is why manufacturers insist on mounting
tubeless tires on everything such as wheelbarrows, snowblowers and
other low speed equipment. I can understand that tubless tires run
cooler at high speed but on a wheelbarrow? snowblower? After ten
years, the tires are checked and the rims are rusted, so the owner
gets to install the tube that should have been there in the first
place. The lawn tractor with low pressure tires does a sharp turn and
catches some grass stems or twigs in the bead and developes a slow
leak (I, personaly, traced this down and fixed it - the lady was using
a bicycle pump every time she went to cut the grass).
What is there for not installing tube type tires on low speed
equipment?
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada



A wheelbarrow tire is one of the hardest tires to seal the bead on after
it has been broken. Filling the tire with foam is one solution.

John

Just put a tube in and be done with it until the tire rots off in
another 20 years.



Not around here. Cactus needles love to puncture any type of
inflatable tire.

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Gerald Miller wrote:

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 22:39:19 -0500, John
wrote:

Gerald Miller wrote:
On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:55:08 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Feb 14, 9:30 am, Larry
wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:59:18 -0800,
wrote:

Is the purpose of the goop they slather around the bead of a tubeless
tire to lubricate during installation, to help seal the tire rim
interface, or both? I have a freebee dolly on which one of the tire has
a very very slow leak at the interface. What is this goop? The local
auto parts store was of no help.

Generally, it's just a soapy water mix for lubing the tire onto the
rim. Once it evaporates, it's gone. There is no extra sealing
capability.

To seal from the inside, install some of the green slime.
http://tinyurl.com/4nz5zz2

--
Remember, in an emergency, dial 1911.

Second on the Slime. I've got a tubeless tire on one dolly that does
exactly that, a short shot of the slime fixed it up.

I've only ever seen them use a swab with some tire soap on it when
mounting my tires, comes in a bucket. Only for seating beads and
keeping the rubber from tearing when stretching it over the rims.
Lubricant only, no sealing properties.

Now if you've got a tube in your tire, the slime may just make a mess,
you'd have to patch the tube.

Stan
The thing I can't understand, is why manufacturers insist on mounting
tubeless tires on everything such as wheelbarrows, snowblowers and
other low speed equipment. I can understand that tubless tires run
cooler at high speed but on a wheelbarrow? snowblower? After ten
years, the tires are checked and the rims are rusted, so the owner
gets to install the tube that should have been there in the first
place. The lawn tractor with low pressure tires does a sharp turn and
catches some grass stems or twigs in the bead and developes a slow
leak (I, personaly, traced this down and fixed it - the lady was using
a bicycle pump every time she went to cut the grass).
What is there for not installing tube type tires on low speed
equipment?
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada


A wheelbarrow tire is one of the hardest tires to seal the bead on after
it has been broken. Filling the tire with foam is one solution.

John

Just put a tube in and be done with it until the tire rots off in
another 20 years.



Not around here. Cactus needles love to puncture any type of
inflatable tire.

There are two completely different kinds of "tire bead goop". One is
the soap or glycerine lube (RuGlyde), which has minimal sealing
qualities - the other is the black latex "bead sealer" that does a
reasonable job of sealing a bead if it is clean and not too badly
corroded.


As for tubeless low speed tires, it all comes down to PRICE.
The majority of us North Americans are notoriously CHEEP critters, and
the manufacturers won;t spend a penny more than necessary to get their
product out the door, and, hopefully, through warranty.

Re-seating a wheelbarrow tire is simple. Spray some butane into the
tire and throw a match at it. It'll pop right on, 9.9 times out of 10.

But putting in a tube is a much better solution. A "slimed" or self
sealing tube is almost a requirement in misquite or cactus country,
and a kevlar liner works wonders too. Wreaks havoc with balance, so
not so good on high speed tires.


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Gerald Miller wrote:


A wheelbarrow tire is one of the hardest tires to seal the bead on after
it has been broken. Filling the tire with foam is one solution.

John

Just put a tube in and be done with it until the tire rots off in
another 20 years.



Not around here. Cactus needles love to puncture any type of
inflatable tire.

To my way of thinking, what passes for grass in your neck of the
woods, is, in reality, a low growing mix of palm fronds and cacti.
Gerry :-)}
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Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Not around here. Cactus needles love to puncture any type of
inflatable tire.


There are two completely different kinds of "tire bead goop". One is
the soap or glycerine lube (RuGlyde), which has minimal sealing
qualities - the other is the black latex "bead sealer" that does a
reasonable job of sealing a bead if it is clean and not too badly
corroded.

As for tubeless low speed tires, it all comes down to PRICE.
The majority of us North Americans are notoriously CHEEP critters, and
the manufacturers won;t spend a penny more than necessary to get their
product out the door, and, hopefully, through warranty.

Re-seating a wheelbarrow tire is simple. Spray some butane into the
tire and throw a match at it. It'll pop right on, 9.9 times out of 10.

But putting in a tube is a much better solution. A "slimed" or self
sealing tube is almost a requirement in misquite or cactus country,
and a kevlar liner works wonders too. Wreaks havoc with balance, so
not so good on high speed tires.



Those needles would puncture large truck tires as well. Some were
just shy of 2" long, and they could go through the tread or the
sidewalls.

The last flat I had on a wheelbarrow had already had a tube
installed, but the old tire was so dried out that I couldn't get the bad
tube out. I had two bad tires on a garden cart with 3/4" hubs. I made a
new 5/8" axle and slipped it into a piece of thin walled pipe to make it
fit the old mounts. They wanted more for a pair of new tires than a new
cart cost.

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Gerald Miller wrote:

Just put a tube in and be done with it until the tire rots off in
another 20 years.


Not around here. Cactus needles love to puncture any type of
inflatable tire.


To my way of thinking, what passes for grass in your neck of the
woods, is, in reality, a low growing mix of palm fronds and cacti.
Gerry :-)}



A half hour south of here it's short grass and cacti. The only palm
fronds are from trees that were planted. I lived in lake county for
about 10 years, and had the fun of keeping them from growing im my
driveway.

Palm trees aren't native to this part of the state. Oaks and pine
trees along with real dirt and grass are common, though. Ask Karl. He
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On 2011-02-18, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

[ ... ]

Those needles would puncture large truck tires as well. Some were
just shy of 2" long, and they could go through the tread or the
sidewalls.


And one style of cactus which was around where I grew up I
called "watch-out cactus" because the needles had a dry husk on them,
and when you pulled a needle out of self, the husk stayed around nearly
forever in your skin. The husk could provide a continuing path of air
through the walls of the tire and tube.

If anyone really knows the name of that cactus (insanely
branching and re-branching bits about the diameter of a pencil or a bit
fatter), I would love to have identification. This was in South Texas,
sort of between San Antonio and Laredo, FWIW.

Enjoy,
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On 19 Feb 2011 01:49:54 GMT, "DoN. Nichols"
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On 2011-02-18, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

[ ... ]

Those needles would puncture large truck tires as well. Some were
just shy of 2" long, and they could go through the tread or the
sidewalls.


And one style of cactus which was around where I grew up I
called "watch-out cactus" because the needles had a dry husk on them,
and when you pulled a needle out of self, the husk stayed around nearly
forever in your skin. The husk could provide a continuing path of air
through the walls of the tire and tube.

If anyone really knows the name of that cactus (insanely
branching and re-branching bits about the diameter of a pencil or a bit
fatter), I would love to have identification. This was in South Texas,
sort of between San Antonio and Laredo, FWIW.

Enjoy,
DoN.


See if you recognize it here.

http://thehibbitts.net/Cactus/TXCact...Accounts4.html


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On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 21:31:48 -0600, aasberry wrote:
On 19 Feb 2011 01:49:54 GMT, "DoN. Nichols" ... wrote:
On 2011-02-18, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

....
Those needles would puncture large truck tires as well. Some were
just shy of 2" long, and they could go through the tread or the
sidewalls.


And one style of cactus which was around where I grew up I
called "watch-out cactus" because the needles had a dry husk on them,
and when you pulled a needle out of self, the husk stayed around nearly
forever in your skin. The husk could provide a continuing path of air
through the walls of the tire and tube.

If anyone really knows the name of that cactus (insanely
branching and re-branching bits about the diameter of a pencil or a bit
fatter), I would love to have identification. This was in South Texas,
sort of between San Antonio and Laredo, FWIW.

....
See if you recognize it here.

http://thehibbitts.net/Cactus/TXCact...Accounts4.html


DoN, among those links that I looked at, the bottom 2 pictures
on http://thehibbitts.net/Cactus/TXCactus/C.hesteri.html
appear to have lots of thin branching parts. However, the range
map seems to show only a small patch near Sanderson or Marathon
(north of Big Bend) so there may be better matches for what you
remember. Eg, range of Pencil Cactus seems to include Laredo:
http://thehibbitts.net/Cactus/TXCactus/E.poselgeri.html (but
it doesn't seem to do much branching).

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On 2011-02-19, wrote:
On 19 Feb 2011 01:49:54 GMT, "DoN. Nichols"
wrote:


[ ... ]

And one style of cactus which was around where I grew up I
called "watch-out cactus" because the needles had a dry husk on them,
and when you pulled a needle out of self, the husk stayed around nearly
forever in your skin. The husk could provide a continuing path of air
through the walls of the tire and tube.

If anyone really knows the name of that cactus (insanely
branching and re-branching bits about the diameter of a pencil or a bit
fatter), I would love to have identification. This was in South Texas,
sort of between San Antonio and Laredo, FWIW.


[ ... ]

See if you recognize it here.

http://thehibbitts.net/Cactus/TXCact...Accounts4.html

Hmm -- a wonderful resource, but I've checked most of them now
with little luck. The closest is:

Opuntia (Cylindropuntia) imbricata (Tree Cholla)

but the stems are too fat, and it is shown only well North of where I
saw these.

Most of the cacti on the left-hand side of the page were low
balls and pincushions. This grew at least five feet high. Most of what
gets near that high is the Prickley pear varieties.

The interesting thing is that none of the photos which I noticed
were taken in LaSalle County, which is where these were. An
un-documented species, perhaps? (Maybe he has just not visited LaSalle
County yet. :-)

Thanks much,
DoN.

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DoN. Nichols wrote:
On 2011-02-18, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
[ ... ]
Those needles would puncture large truck tires as well. Some were
just shy of 2" long, and they could go through the tread or the
sidewalls.


And one style of cactus which was around where I grew up I
called "watch-out cactus" because the needles had a dry husk on them,
and when you pulled a needle out of self, the husk stayed around nearly
forever in your skin. The husk could provide a continuing path of air
through the walls of the tire and tube.

If anyone really knows the name of that cactus (insanely
branching and re-branching bits about the diameter of a pencil or a bit
fatter), I would love to have identification. This was in South Texas,
sort of between San Antonio and Laredo, FWIW.

Caltrop cactus? ;-)

Cheers!
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 01:02:35 -0800, Rich Grise
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DoN. Nichols wrote:
On 2011-02-18, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
[ ... ]
Those needles would puncture large truck tires as well. Some were
just shy of 2" long, and they could go through the tread or the
sidewalls.


And one style of cactus which was around where I grew up I
called "watch-out cactus" because the needles had a dry husk on them,
and when you pulled a needle out of self, the husk stayed around nearly
forever in your skin. The husk could provide a continuing path of air
through the walls of the tire and tube.

If anyone really knows the name of that cactus (insanely
branching and re-branching bits about the diameter of a pencil or a bit
fatter), I would love to have identification. This was in South Texas,
sort of between San Antonio and Laredo, FWIW.

Caltrop cactus? ;-)


I believe those are only found in LEO county, California.

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On 2011-02-19, James Waldby wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 21:31:48 -0600, aasberry wrote:
On 19 Feb 2011 01:49:54 GMT, "DoN. Nichols" ... wrote:


[ ... ]

And one style of cactus which was around where I grew up I
called "watch-out cactus" because the needles had a dry husk on them,
and when you pulled a needle out of self, the husk stayed around nearly
forever in your skin. The husk could provide a continuing path of air
through the walls of the tire and tube.

If anyone really knows the name of that cactus (insanely
branching and re-branching bits about the diameter of a pencil or a bit
fatter), I would love to have identification. This was in South Texas,
sort of between San Antonio and Laredo, FWIW.

...
See if you recognize it here.

http://thehibbitts.net/Cactus/TXCact...Accounts4.html


DoN, among those links that I looked at, the bottom 2 pictures
on http://thehibbitts.net/Cactus/TXCactus/C.hesteri.html
appear to have lots of thin branching parts.


Way too low. Think at least shoulder height, where you could
accidentally brush against it if you were not observant. :-) It would go
about four or five inches, then branch -- repeatedly. I don't remember
the parts near the ground being fatter -- but they really must have been
to support the load of all the branches.

However, the range
map seems to show only a small patch near Sanderson or Marathon
(north of Big Bend) so there may be better matches for what you
remember. Eg, range of Pencil Cactus seems to include Laredo:
http://thehibbitts.net/Cactus/TXCactus/E.poselgeri.html (but
it doesn't seem to do much branching).


Nope! Not at all. and the thorns should have a length about
three to four times the diameter of the stem.

I think that I'll try to contact him, and suggest that he visit
LaSalle county. It *may* be that this never develops photogenic
blossoms, which seems to be the primary focus of the web site. :-) I
know that *I* never saw the blossoms -- but there were times of the year
when I was less likely to go into the place where I knew some were.

O.K. I just sent him an e-mail. We'll see what comes of it.

Thanks much,
DoN.

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On Sunday, 13 February 2011 22:27:25 UTC-5, Steve W. wrote:
Pilgrim wrote:
Is the purpose of the goop they slather around the bead of a tubeless
tire to lubricate during installation, to help seal the tire rim
interface, or both? I have a freebee dolly on which one of the tire has
a very very slow leak at the interface. What is this goop? The local
auto parts store was of no help.

Thanks

Chuck P.

Which goop?
There are a couple.
One is strictly a lube, it's basically water with some surfactant and
water soluble oil.
Then you have actual tire bead sealant. It is basically a thin rubber
cement with carbon black as a thickening agent.

The first is used to slip the tire over the rim easier and reduce the
possibility of bead damage.
The second is used on pitted aluminum or steel rims to seal the pits and
retain air.

If you only have a small tire then you could simply use a small amount
of rubber cement around the bead. It will do the same thing as the tire
sealant.

Advance, Parts Plus, NAPA all carry it.

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On Sunday, 13 February 2011 22:27:25 UTC-5, Steve W. wrote:
Pilgrim wrote:
Is the purpose of the goop they slather around the bead of a tubeless
tire to lubricate during installation, to help seal the tire rim
interface, or both? I have a freebee dolly on which one of the tire has
a very very slow leak at the interface. What is this goop? The local
auto parts store was of no help.

Thanks

Chuck P.

Which goop?
There are a couple.
One is strictly a lube, it's basically water with some surfactant and
water soluble oil.
Then you have actual tire bead sealant. It is basically a thin rubber
cement with carbon black as a thickening agent.

The first is used to slip the tire over the rim easier and reduce the
possibility of bead damage.
The second is used on pitted aluminum or steel rims to seal the pits and
retain air.

If you only have a small tire then you could simply use a small amount
of rubber cement around the bead. It will do the same thing as the tire
sealant.

Advance, Parts Plus, NAPA all carry it.

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STEVE - This was very helpful for me, here in Canada Jan 2019.


The tire shop used that thickened goop on the pitted aluminum wheels on my 2004 Sonata, six months ago. No leaks.

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