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We just bought a used HT oven for $60. It has about a 1.5 cubic foot
interior and goes up to 2kF. It has an analog temp meter and a rheostat that controls the on/off ratio instead of a temp dial setting. I forget the name but one of the guys says it's a better but older make and model. I doubt it'll save us money on heat treating but it'll be fun and the guys have a new toy...very important for morale. My question is: How hot and how long to do a steak in there? Crusty on the outside and red in the middle! Mmmmmm! |
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: My question is: How hot and how long to do a steak in there? Crusty on the outside and red in the middle! Mmmmmm! 1935F for 22 seconds. LLoyd |
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On 2011-01-03, Tom Gardner wrote:
We just bought a used HT oven for $60. It has about a 1.5 cubic foot interior and goes up to 2kF. It has an analog temp meter and a rheostat that controls the on/off ratio instead of a temp dial setting. I forget the name but one of the guys says it's a better but older make and model. I doubt it'll save us money on heat treating but it'll be fun and the guys have a new toy...very important for morale. My question is: How hot and how long to do a steak in there? Crusty on the outside and red in the middle! Mmmmmm! I bought one like this for $100 once. i |
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On 2011-01-03, Tom Gardner wrote:
We just bought a used HT oven for $60. It has about a 1.5 cubic foot interior and goes up to 2kF. It has an analog temp meter and a rheostat that controls the on/off ratio instead of a temp dial setting. Not really a rheostat (which is a variable series resistance), but rather a duty-cycle control. I forget the name but one of the guys says it's a better but older make and model. Possibly Blue-M? I've worked with one about that size. I doubt it'll save us money on heat treating but it'll be fun and the guys have a new toy...very important for morale. Certainly. I would suggest replacing the duty cycle controller with an electronic one -- Omega makes nice ones. Gunner has some of some other brand used I believe. The duty-cycle type keeps inserting that off cycle even when you are barely on the way up to temperature. The electronic one (based on the behavior of my Omega which I fitted to a smaller oven which I got with *no* controller) is that it will stay on full time until it reaches about 75% of the set point temperature, then it will turn off for a while and observe the overshoot, then it will go back full on until it gets close to the setpoint and start cycling just right to have perhaps a 1 degree F overshoot at 1850 F. Even with this, it takes about an hour to get to set point. I'm not sure how long it would take with the duty cycle controller -- I wasn't after as great an accuracy back then. :-) My question is: How hot and how long to do a steak in there? Crusty on the outside and red in the middle! Mmmmmm! Hmm ... fifteen seconds perhaps? 0.0625" thick black outside, and the rest red and jucy. :-) Of course, it depends on how hot you get it first. (There is also the trick of how you will get it back out if you don't have proper heat treating gloves. :-) Enjoy, DoN. -- Remove oil spill source from e-mail Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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On Sun, 2 Jan 2011 21:20:31 -0500, "Tom Gardner"
wrote: We just bought a used HT oven for $60. It has about a 1.5 cubic foot interior and goes up to 2kF. It has an analog temp meter and a rheostat that controls the on/off ratio instead of a temp dial setting. I forget the name but one of the guys says it's a better but older make and model. I doubt it'll save us money on heat treating but it'll be fun and the guys have a new toy...very important for morale. My question is: How hot and how long to do a steak in there? Crusty on the outside and red in the middle! Mmmmmm! There's a place in Rochester that makes pizza in a 1000-degree oven in about 90 seconds -- and it is excellent! |
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On Sun, 2 Jan 2011 21:20:31 -0500, "Tom Gardner"
wrote: We just bought a used HT oven for $60. It has about a 1.5 cubic foot interior and goes up to 2kF. It has an analog temp meter and a rheostat that controls the on/off ratio instead of a temp dial setting. I forget the name but one of the guys says it's a better but older make and model. I doubt it'll save us money on heat treating but it'll be fun and the guys have a new toy...very important for morale. My question is: How hot and how long to do a steak in there? Crusty on the outside and red in the middle! Mmmmmm! Need a proper controller? http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/HeatTreat# Id be happy to sent you one Gunner -- "You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once." Robert A. Heinlein |
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Tom Gardner wrote:
We just bought a used HT oven for $60. It has about a 1.5 cubic foot interior and goes up to 2kF. It has an analog temp meter and a rheostat that controls the on/off ratio instead of a temp dial setting. I forget the name but one of the guys says it's a better but older make and model. I doubt it'll save us money on heat treating but it'll be fun and the guys have a new toy...very important for morale. My question is: How hot and how long to do a steak in there? Crusty on the outside and red in the middle! Mmmmmm! For crusty on the outside, about 500-600F, and for a moist tender inside, leave it in there about three minutes. ;-) Whatever you do, please report back with your results! Bon Appetit! Rich |
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"Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... On Sun, 2 Jan 2011 21:20:31 -0500, "Tom Gardner" wrote: We just bought a used HT oven for $60. It has about a 1.5 cubic foot interior and goes up to 2kF. It has an analog temp meter and a rheostat that controls the on/off ratio instead of a temp dial setting. I forget the name but one of the guys says it's a better but older make and model. I doubt it'll save us money on heat treating but it'll be fun and the guys have a new toy...very important for morale. My question is: How hot and how long to do a steak in there? Crusty on the outside and red in the middle! Mmmmmm! Need a proper controller? http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/HeatTreat# Id be happy to sent you one Gunner I'll send you pix and info on the oven, I'd appreciate it if you would make a recommendation and sell me the parts. |
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On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 04:27:17 -0500, "LibtardStupid"
wrote: "Gunner Asch" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 2 Jan 2011 21:20:31 -0500, "Tom Gardner" wrote: We just bought a used HT oven for $60. It has about a 1.5 cubic foot interior and goes up to 2kF. It has an analog temp meter and a rheostat that controls the on/off ratio instead of a temp dial setting. I forget the name but one of the guys says it's a better but older make and model. I doubt it'll save us money on heat treating but it'll be fun and the guys have a new toy...very important for morale. My question is: How hot and how long to do a steak in there? Crusty on the outside and red in the middle! Mmmmmm! Need a proper controller? http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/HeatTreat# Id be happy to sent you one Gunner I'll send you pix and info on the oven, I'd appreciate it if you would make a recommendation and sell me the parts. They are very simple to hook up. Power in, relay contacts in/out..thermocouple in. (110/220 vac) They will accept up to 39 different types of thermocouples. Very simple. Reading the manuals (available on line and Ill send you the proper one on CD) can be a confusing *******. Programming can be simple..or a stone bitch..depending on how many set points..ups and downs and delays for the particular treatment you are trying to do. 800f for 20 minutes..rise to 1487F for 2 hours, drop to 450F for 30 minutes..up to 2200f for 4 minutes....chuckle..it can do it..but it confuses the **** out of me. Fortunately Im doing single set point heat treat...Up to 1400F for an hour and then off as an example...G Whew!! And Ill be damned if Ill sell you anything!!! It will be a gift between friends. Crom knows you have sent me enough brushes over the years. As you can see in the photos, Ive installed one in one of my two ovens and it works a treat. The other one is a bit more difficult..as the front is slanted. Simply finding a way to mount it is the problem. But its on my List. Gunner -- "You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once." Robert A. Heinlein |
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On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 04:27:17 -0500, "LibtardStupid"
wrote: "Gunner Asch" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 2 Jan 2011 21:20:31 -0500, "Tom Gardner" wrote: We just bought a used HT oven for $60. It has about a 1.5 cubic foot interior and goes up to 2kF. It has an analog temp meter and a rheostat that controls the on/off ratio instead of a temp dial setting. I forget the name but one of the guys says it's a better but older make and model. I doubt it'll save us money on heat treating but it'll be fun and the guys have a new toy...very important for morale. My question is: How hot and how long to do a steak in there? Crusty on the outside and red in the middle! Mmmmmm! Need a proper controller? http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/HeatTreat# Id be happy to sent you one Gunner I'll send you pix and info on the oven, I'd appreciate it if you would make a recommendation and sell me the parts. Im off to LA..via the long way around. The Grapevine is closed due to snow..so Ive got to go out to Mojave and down and around. 5 hours on the road at least..and the truck traffic will make it even slower as all the freight headed to LA will be taking the roundabout as well. Call me if you need any info. Gunner, pulling the pin at 1:50 am -- "You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once." Robert A. Heinlein |
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Don Foreman wrote:
There's a place in Rochester that makes pizza in a 1000-degree oven in about 90 seconds -- and it is excellent! I wonder what the window is between success and failure. Wes |
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 01:50:35 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 04:27:17 -0500, "LibtardStupid" wrote: "Gunner Asch" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 2 Jan 2011 21:20:31 -0500, "Tom Gardner" wrote: We just bought a used HT oven for $60. It has about a 1.5 cubic foot interior and goes up to 2kF. It has an analog temp meter and a rheostat that controls the on/off ratio instead of a temp dial setting. I forget the name but one of the guys says it's a better but older make and model. I doubt it'll save us money on heat treating but it'll be fun and the guys have a new toy...very important for morale. My question is: How hot and how long to do a steak in there? Crusty on the outside and red in the middle! Mmmmmm! Need a proper controller? http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/HeatTreat# Id be happy to sent you one Gunner I'll send you pix and info on the oven, I'd appreciate it if you would make a recommendation and sell me the parts. Im off to LA..via the long way around. The Grapevine is closed due to snow..so Ive got to go out to Mojave and down and around. 5 hours on the road at least..and the truck traffic will make it even slower as all the freight headed to LA will be taking the roundabout as well. Call me if you need any info. Gunner, pulling the pin at 1:50 am ****...didnt check the news well enough. They closed the 58 as well. Im stuck from going to So Cal until they open up one or the other..and according to the CHP website...its snowing like a bitch on top of the 58..the storm is headed east. Probably going to have to wait for the 5 to open..damnit~~ Gunner -- "You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once." Robert A. Heinlein |
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Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 2 Jan 2011 21:20:31 -0500, "Tom Gardner" wrote: We just bought a used HT oven for $60. It has about a 1.5 cubic foot interior and goes up to 2kF. It has an analog temp meter and a rheostat that controls the on/off ratio instead of a temp dial setting. I forget the name but one of the guys says it's a better but older make and model. I doubt it'll save us money on heat treating but it'll be fun and the guys have a new toy...very important for morale. My question is: How hot and how long to do a steak in there? Crusty on the outside and red in the middle! Mmmmmm! Need a proper controller? http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/HeatTreat# I did such a retrofit on a similar oven. The issue was to ensure that the plastic controller and solid-state relay didn't overheat when the oven was at full temperature. The smell of boiled plastic will totally destroy the flavor of the steak. Anyway, the thread on my retrofit is titled "Old Vigor Burnout Furnace adapted to heat treating" and was posted in August 2008 to RCM. Joe Gwinn |
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"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
... On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 01:50:35 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 04:27:17 -0500, "LibtardStupid" wrote: "Gunner Asch" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 2 Jan 2011 21:20:31 -0500, "Tom Gardner" wrote: We just bought a used HT oven for $60. It has about a 1.5 cubic foot interior and goes up to 2kF. It has an analog temp meter and a rheostat that controls the on/off ratio instead of a temp dial setting. I forget the name but one of the guys says it's a better but older make and model. I doubt it'll save us money on heat treating but it'll be fun and the guys have a new toy...very important for morale. My question is: How hot and how long to do a steak in there? Crusty on the outside and red in the middle! Mmmmmm! Need a proper controller? http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/HeatTreat# Id be happy to sent you one Gunner I'll send you pix and info on the oven, I'd appreciate it if you would make a recommendation and sell me the parts. Im off to LA..via the long way around. The Grapevine is closed due to snow..so Ive got to go out to Mojave and down and around. 5 hours on the road at least..and the truck traffic will make it even slower as all the freight headed to LA will be taking the roundabout as well. Call me if you need any info. Gunner, pulling the pin at 1:50 am ****...didnt check the news well enough. They closed the 58 as well. Im stuck from going to So Cal until they open up one or the other..and according to the CHP website...its snowing like a bitch on top of the 58..the storm is headed east. Probably going to have to wait for the 5 to open..damnit~~ Gunner -- "You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once." Robert A. Heinlein Reply: 166 to Nipomo and then south. Lower levels. Years ago I had to do that with a POS motor home with a bad transmission. |
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On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 14:42:07 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote: Reply: 166 to Nipomo and then south. Lower levels. Years ago I had to do that with a POS motor home with a bad transmission. Thats over 5 hours at normal traffic...with rain, snow and heavy traffic..Id still be on the road Gunner -- "You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once." Robert A. Heinlein |
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"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
... On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 14:42:07 -0800, "Califbill" wrote: Reply: 166 to Nipomo and then south. Lower levels. Years ago I had to do that with a POS motor home with a bad transmission. Thats over 5 hours at normal traffic...with rain, snow and heavy traffic..Id still be on the road Gunner -- "You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once." Robert A. Heinlein Reply: Still probably quicker than going via Mojave. |
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Gunner Asch wrote:
Until the Hordes come over the ridgeline and decide to decimate the village and put the survivors in harness to plow the fields. Response 1: That's what the Right To Keep and Bear Arms is for. Response 2: Do you mean like the Mexicans that are coming over to collect welfare and drop anchor babies? Rich...are you that naive? Probably, but "I do not know" is the first stage of wisdom. ;-) Cheers! Rich |
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On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 14:42:07 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote: snip Im stuck from going to So Cal until they open up one or the other..and according to the CHP website...its snowing like a bitch on top of the 58..the storm is headed east. Probably going to have to wait for the 5 to open..damnit~~ snip ======== Damn that global warming... -- Unka George (George McDuffee) ............................... The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there. L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author. The Go-Between, Prologue (1953). |
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On Jan 3, 5:27*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 14:42:07 -0800, "Califbill" wrote: Reply: *166 to Nipomo and then south. *Lower levels. *Years ago I had to do that with a POS motor home with a bad transmission. Thats over 5 hours at normal traffic...with rain, snow and heavy traffic..Id still be on the road Gunner -- "You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once." * * * * * * * * * * *Robert A. Heinlein Holy **** Gunner...I thought you were a survivalist. Get off your butt and act like one. TMT |
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On Jan 2, 8:20*pm, "Tom Gardner" wrote:
We just bought a used HT oven for $60. *It has about a 1.5 cubic foot interior and goes up to 2kF. *It has an analog temp meter and a rheostat that controls the on/off ratio instead of a temp dial setting. *I forget the name but one of the guys says it's a better but older make and model. I doubt it'll save us money on heat treating but it'll be fun and the guys have a new toy...very important for morale. *My question is: *How hot and how long to do a steak in there? *Crusty on the outside and red in the middle! *Mmmmmm! Single phase or three phase? TMT |
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On 2011-01-03, Gunner Asch wrote:
[ ... ] Programming can be simple..or a stone bitch..depending on how many set points..ups and downs and delays for the particular treatment you are trying to do. 800f for 20 minutes..rise to 1487F for 2 hours, drop to 450F for 30 minutes..up to 2200f for 4 minutes....chuckle..it can do it..but it confuses the **** out of me. Fortunately Im doing single set point heat treat...Up to 1400F for an hour and then off as an example...G Whew!! The problem with *my* oven at least with that kind of cycle would be just how fast does the temperature need to fall vs how fast will it *really* fall with the existing oven. Faster with the oven door open and a fan blowing into it, but no way to be sure just what the cooling rate of the workpiece vs the theromcouple. Of course, my (older) Omega controller has the disadvantage of having a single set point. But it has the advantage of a low voltage DC output to feed to a solid state relay to control the power to the heating element, so it is reliable and quiet as it cycles. :-) Enjoy, DoN. -- Remove oil spill source from e-mail Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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On 2011-01-03, Gunner Asch wrote:
[ ... ] ****...didnt check the news well enough. They closed the 58 as well. Im stuck from going to So Cal until they open up one or the other..and according to the CHP website...its snowing like a bitch on top of the 58..the storm is headed east. Probably going to have to wait for the 5 to open..damnit~~ Where do you stay in the meanwhile? Good Luck, DoN. -- Remove oil spill source from e-mail Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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On 2011-01-03, Joseph Gwinn wrote:
In article , Gunner Asch wrote: [ ... ] Need a proper controller? http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/HeatTreat# I did such a retrofit on a similar oven. The issue was to ensure that the plastic controller and solid-state relay didn't overheat when the oven was at full temperature. The smell of boiled plastic will totally destroy the flavor of the steak. My oven came on stilts, and I mounted the aluminum "Bud Box" to the stilts, below the surfaces of the well insulated heat-treat oven. The limitaion of mine is that the total cavity is about the size of a building brick. :-) (But -- it cost me $35.00 -- and I already had the controller.) Enjoy, DoN. -- Remove oil spill source from e-mail Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 11:28:12 -0800, Rich Grise
wrote: Gunner Asch wrote: "You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once." Robert A. Heinlein Heinlein was a pompous ass. Of course you can have peace and Freedom simultaneously - just choose not to make war. Heinlein was one of the best writers of all time, and a damned good philosopher, too. Fighting for peace is like ****ing for virginity. Not if there are only two courses of action, one being succumbing to evil forever. I'd chose war over that any day. -- You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice. |
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"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message ... On Jan 2, 8:20 pm, "Tom Gardner" wrote: We just bought a used HT oven for $60. It has about a 1.5 cubic foot interior and goes up to 2kF. It has an analog temp meter and a rheostat that controls the on/off ratio instead of a temp dial setting. I forget the name but one of the guys says it's a better but older make and model. I doubt it'll save us money on heat treating but it'll be fun and the guys have a new toy...very important for morale. My question is: How hot and how long to do a steak in there? Crusty on the outside and red in the middle! Mmmmmm! Single phase or three phase? TMT 240 split-phase, I don't know the amps but we had a 2-O gauge outlet where we put the oven and no breakers popped. |
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On Jan 3, 6:16*pm, "Califbill" wrote:
"Gunner Asch" *wrote in message ... On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 14:42:07 -0800, "Califbill" wrote: Reply: *166 to Nipomo and then south. *Lower levels. *Years ago I had to do that with a POS motor home with a bad transmission. Thats over 5 hours at normal traffic...with rain, snow and heavy traffic..Id still be on the road Gunner -- "You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once." * * * * * * * * * * *Robert A. Heinlein Reply: Still probably quicker than going via Mojave. So Gunner..still hiding from a few snow flakes? What will you do as more climate changes due to global warming...beg for more aid from the liberals? TMT |
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"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
... On Jan 3, 6:16 pm, "Califbill" wrote: "Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 14:42:07 -0800, "Califbill" wrote: Reply: 166 to Nipomo and then south. Lower levels. Years ago I had to do that with a POS motor home with a bad transmission. Thats over 5 hours at normal traffic...with rain, snow and heavy traffic..Id still be on the road Gunner -- "You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once." Robert A. Heinlein Reply: Still probably quicker than going via Mojave. So Gunner..still hiding from a few snow flakes? What will you do as more climate changes due to global warming...beg for more aid from the liberals? TMT Reply: he is not hiding from snowflakes. The CHP closes the passes these days when it snows excessively. Mostly because of people driving Japanese 4x4 minitrucks. Use to be, before all the 4x4's that they put on chain controls and people installed chains and drove the 25 mph speed limit. Now the young mostly in the 4x4's and the ignorant figure they can drive 70 mph because they have a 4x4. Cause really bad crashes. And hurt some poor ******* that is driving the 25 mph speed limit. So they now close the roads and then run escorted caravans. |
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On Jan 5, 12:09*am, "Califbill" wrote:
"Too_Many_Tools" *wrote in message ... On Jan 3, 6:16 pm, "Califbill" wrote: "Gunner Asch" *wrote in message .. . On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 14:42:07 -0800, "Califbill" wrote: Reply: *166 to Nipomo and then south. *Lower levels. *Years ago I had to do that with a POS motor home with a bad transmission. Thats over 5 hours at normal traffic...with rain, snow and heavy traffic..Id still be on the road Gunner -- "You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once." * * * * * * * * * * *Robert A. Heinlein Reply: Still probably quicker than going via Mojave. So Gunner..still hiding from a few snow flakes? What will you do as more climate changes due to global warming...beg for more aid from the liberals? TMT Reply: he is not hiding from snowflakes. *The CHP closes the passes these days when it snows excessively. *Mostly because of people driving Japanese 4x4 minitrucks. *Use to be, before all the 4x4's that they put on chain controls and people installed chains and drove the 25 mph speed limit. *Now the young mostly in the 4x4's and the ignorant figure they can drive 70 mph because they have a 4x4. Cause really bad crashes. *And hurt some poor ******* that is driving the 25 mph speed limit. *So they now close the roads and then run escorted caravans.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Snicker...the great climate change denier is hiding from some snow flakes. We are seeing how much of a real survivalist he is really is...what a whimp. TMT |
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"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
... On Jan 5, 12:09 am, "Califbill" wrote: "Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message ... On Jan 3, 6:16 pm, "Califbill" wrote: "Gunner Asch" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 14:42:07 -0800, "Califbill" wrote: Reply: 166 to Nipomo and then south. Lower levels. Years ago I had to do that with a POS motor home with a bad transmission. Thats over 5 hours at normal traffic...with rain, snow and heavy traffic..Id still be on the road Gunner -- "You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once." Robert A. Heinlein Reply: Still probably quicker than going via Mojave. So Gunner..still hiding from a few snow flakes? What will you do as more climate changes due to global warming...beg for more aid from the liberals? TMT Reply: he is not hiding from snowflakes. The CHP closes the passes these days when it snows excessively. Mostly because of people driving Japanese 4x4 minitrucks. Use to be, before all the 4x4's that they put on chain controls and people installed chains and drove the 25 mph speed limit. Now the young mostly in the 4x4's and the ignorant figure they can drive 70 mph because they have a 4x4. Cause really bad crashes. And hurt some poor ******* that is driving the 25 mph speed limit. So they now close the roads and then run escorted caravans.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Snicker...the great climate change denier is hiding from some snow flakes. We are seeing how much of a real survivalist he is really is...what a whimp. TMT A survivalist would hide from the snowflakes. Why would they put themselves in danger if not needed to survive? |
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On Jan 5, 11:31*pm, "Califbill" wrote:
"Too_Many_Tools" *wrote in message ... On Jan 5, 12:09 am, "Califbill" wrote: "Too_Many_Tools" *wrote in message ... On Jan 3, 6:16 pm, "Califbill" wrote: "Gunner Asch" *wrote in message .. . On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 14:42:07 -0800, "Califbill" wrote: Reply: *166 to Nipomo and then south. *Lower levels. *Years ago I had to do that with a POS motor home with a bad transmission. Thats over 5 hours at normal traffic...with rain, snow and heavy traffic..Id still be on the road Gunner -- "You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once." * * * * * * * * * * *Robert A. Heinlein Reply: Still probably quicker than going via Mojave. So Gunner..still hiding from a few snow flakes? What will you do as more climate changes due to global warming...beg for more aid from the liberals? TMT Reply: he is not hiding from snowflakes. *The CHP closes the passes these days when it snows excessively. *Mostly because of people driving Japanese 4x4 minitrucks. *Use to be, before all the 4x4's that they put on chain controls and people installed chains and drove the 25 mph speed limit. *Now the young mostly in the 4x4's and the ignorant figure they can drive 70 mph because they have a 4x4. Cause really bad crashes. *And hurt some poor ******* that is driving the 25 mph speed limit. *So they now close the roads and then run escorted caravans.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Snicker...the great climate change denier is hiding from some snow flakes. We are seeing how much of a real survivalist he is really is...what a whimp. TMT A survivalist would hide from the snowflakes. *Why would they put themselves in danger if not needed to survive?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Snicker...Gummer...that must really be a heck of drinking binge you are on. Try posting after the hangover. And watch out for those rogue snowflakes. Laugh..laugh..laugh... TMT |
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 18:47:17 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 11:28:12 -0800, Rich Grise wrote: Gunner Asch wrote: "You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once." Robert A. Heinlein Heinlein was a pompous ass. Of course you can have peace and Freedom simultaneously - just choose not to make war. Heinlein was one of the best writers of all time, and a damned good philosopher, too. Fighting for peace is like ****ing for virginity. Not if there are only two courses of action, one being succumbing to evil forever. I'd chose war over that any day. Hear hear!! Bravo! Live Free or die!! -- "You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once." Robert A. Heinlein |
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On Tue, 4 Jan 2011 22:09:21 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote: Reply: Still probably quicker than going via Mojave. So Gunner..still hiding from a few snow flakes? What will you do as more climate changes due to global warming...beg for more aid from the liberals? TMT Reply: he is not hiding from snowflakes. The CHP closes the passes these days when it snows excessively. Mostly because of people driving Japanese 4x4 minitrucks. Use to be, before all the 4x4's that they put on chain controls and people installed chains and drove the 25 mph speed limit. Now the young mostly in the 4x4's and the ignorant figure they can drive 70 mph because they have a 4x4. Cause really bad crashes. And hurt some poor ******* that is driving the 25 mph speed limit. So they now close the roads and then run escorted caravans. I put a 50cal can in the truck 3 weeks ago, with a full set of tire chains in it. I grew up on Michigans Upper Penninsula..average snow fall... 212 inches. Its not new to me. I once drove Whitehorse Pass with 10,000lbs of Nitromon boosters in the back of the flatbed, in 12" of fresh snow on the road with visibility less than 300 feet. That was a very long drive, from 9pm-6am..... Im somewhat..somewhat familiar with driving in snow, sleet, slush etc etc. Been doing it for most of 41 yrs. Shrug Too bad Too Many Fools is trapped in his mommas basement, driving that little pong around the B&W tv screen. Gunner -- "You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once." Robert A. Heinlein |
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Gunner Asch on Sat, 08 Jan 2011 01:07:50 -0800
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: On Tue, 4 Jan 2011 22:09:21 -0800, "Califbill" wrote: he is not hiding from snowflakes. The CHP closes the passes these days when it snows excessively. Mostly because of people driving Japanese 4x4 minitrucks. Use to be, before all the 4x4's that they put on chain controls and people installed chains and drove the 25 mph speed limit. Now the young mostly in the 4x4's and the ignorant figure they can drive 70 mph because they have a 4x4. Cause really bad crashes. And hurt some poor ******* that is driving the 25 mph speed limit. So they now close the roads and then run escorted caravans. 4x4 - that much farther to walk, once you get it stuck. And on slick roads, the difference is the number of tires uselessly spinning. I put a 50cal can in the truck 3 weeks ago, with a full set of tire chains in it. I grew up on Michigans Upper Penninsula..average snow fall... 212 inches. Its not new to me. I once drove Whitehorse Pass with 10,000lbs of Nitromon boosters in the back of the flatbed, in 12" of fresh snow on the road with visibility less than 300 feet. That was a very long drive, from 9pm-6am..... Driving to church Saturday evening, taking my lady friend after the "Christmas Dinner" - it is the big fat flakes zooming at you which make the trip so exhausting. Good thing I know the road, but still, .... "lost the road! .... found it!" "Good to hear." Im somewhat..somewhat familiar with driving in snow, sleet, slush etc etc. Been doing it for most of 41 yrs. Shrug It has its own charm. Sunday, back over the Pass. tschus pyotr -- pyotr filipivich We will drink no whiskey before its nine. It's eight fifty eight. Close enough! |
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Gunner Asch on Sat, 08 Jan 2011 01:00:37 -0800
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 18:47:17 -0800, Larry Jaques wrote: On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 11:28:12 -0800, Rich Grise wrote: Gunner Asch wrote: "You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once." Robert A. Heinlein Heinlein was a pompous ass. Of course you can have peace and Freedom simultaneously - just choose not to make war. Heinlein was one of the best writers of all time, and a damned good philosopher, too. Fighting for peace is like ****ing for virginity. Not if there are only two courses of action, one being succumbing to evil forever. I'd chose war over that any day. Hear hear!! Bravo! Live Free or die!! I suppose Larry and all the other passives have heard Bertol Brecht's poem which began "Suppose the gave a war, and nobody came?" What they seem to miss is the next line "Why then, the war would come to you." -- pyotr filipivich "What if they gave a war and nobody came? Why then, the war would come to you." Bertolt Brecht 1898-1956 |
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On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 12:37:59 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote: Gunner Asch on Sat, 08 Jan 2011 01:00:37 -0800 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 18:47:17 -0800, Larry Jaques wrote: On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 11:28:12 -0800, Rich Grise wrote: Gunner Asch wrote: "You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once." Robert A. Heinlein Heinlein was a pompous ass. Of course you can have peace and Freedom simultaneously - just choose not to make war. Heinlein was one of the best writers of all time, and a damned good philosopher, too. Fighting for peace is like ****ing for virginity. Not if there are only two courses of action, one being succumbing to evil forever. I'd chose war over that any day. Hear hear!! Bravo! Live Free or die!! I suppose Larry and all the other passives have heard Bertol Brecht's poem which began "Suppose the gave a war, and nobody came?" What they seem to miss is the next line "Why then, the war would come to you." Right you are, Pete. I'm just sitting here on my front porch, strummin' my banjo, keepin' my powder dry, and waitin' for the hoardes to descend. -- You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on Earth, or we will sentence them to take the last step into a thousand years of darkness.? -- Ronald Reagan |
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