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I want to bend up some ~12 ga. CRS but
I don't want to buy or house a big brake.

I need 6" width maximum.
After Googling over the past few days,
I have not located a chunky little brake
that will do that for me.

Can you recommend a tool that will
do that please?

Thanks!

--Winston
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Winston wrote:
I want to bend up some ~12 ga. CRS but
I don't want to buy or house a big brake.

I need 6" width maximum.
After Googling over the past few days,
I have not located a chunky little brake
that will do that for me.

Can you recommend a tool that will
do that please?

Thanks!

--Winston

I welded a chunk of angle iron to a square rod
and chucked it in an arbor press.
Same for the bottom half. Have to be careful
with alignment, but it you're not doing a lot...
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I want to bend up some ~12 ga. CRS but
I don't want to buy or house a big brake.

I need 6" width maximum.
After Googling over the past few days,
I have not located a chunky little brake
that will do that for me.

Can you recommend a tool that will
do that please?

Thanks!


There are two small brakes I can think of that "might" work.

One fits in the jaws of a bench vise, and you use the force of the vise to
operate the brake. You could probably make one if you have some suitable
scraps laying around.

http://www.grizzly.com/products/6-Vise-Brake/H3245

The other is called a press brake, and works basically the same way except
you operate it with a hydraulic press.

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...ct_21896_21896

Unless you made one with multiple blades neither would work well as a box
brake.

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I want to bend up some ~12 ga. CRS but
I don't want to buy or house a big brake.

--Winston


If you have the freedom to design the part to fit your tools this is a
lot of thickness capacity in a small package:
http://tool.wttool.com/search?w=2805-0105&x=41&y=16

12 gauge steel isn't too thick to clamp to a piece of heavy angle and
bend with a hammer.

I formed the bucket on this with a hammer:
http://picasaweb.google.com/KB1DAL/H...65918437561074

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My solution: (similar to a couple of the other posts).

www.spaco.org/Press.htm

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Winston wrote:
I want to bend up some ~12 ga. CRS but
I don't want to buy or house a big brake.

I need 6" width maximum.
After Googling over the past few days,
I have not located a chunky little brake
that will do that for me.

Can you recommend a tool that will
do that please?

Thanks!

--Winston



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I want to bend up some ~12 ga. CRS but
I don't want to buy or house a big brake.

I need 6" width maximum.
After Googling over the past few days,
I have not located a chunky little brake
that will do that for me.

Can you recommend a tool that will
do that please?

Thanks!


There are two small brakes I can think of that "might" work.

One fits in the jaws of a bench vise, and you use the force of the vise to
operate the brake. You could probably make one if you have some suitable
scraps laying around.

http://www.grizzly.com/products/6-Vise-Brake/H3245


HOLY ****, Maynard! I got one from LVT for $12.50. Hayseuss Crisco,
they're more cheaply made, smaller, and now cost $22.50. thud
Prices sure have gone up.


The other is called a press brake, and works basically the same way except
you operate it with a hydraulic press.

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...ct_21896_21896

Unless you made one with multiple blades neither would work well as a box
brake.


Rolling his own seems the best bet.

I think that finding scrap pieces at the metal wrecker would be a
whole lot better and cheaper.

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f37/d...-plans-785809/
That last one is made with a piece of inverted angle iron. I'll bet
that'd hold against 12ga steel.

For just an 8" (6" capacity), you could add a lip to mount it in a
vise.

Unless you need super precision, one of these would work tits.

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Winston wrote:
I want to bend up some ~12 ga. CRS but
I don't want to buy or house a big brake.


Thanks guys. I will ponder your
suggestions.

--Winston
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"Winston" wrote in message
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I want to bend up some ~12 ga. CRS but
I don't want to buy or house a big brake.

I need 6" width maximum.
After Googling over the past few days,
I have not located a chunky little brake
that will do that for me.

Can you recommend a tool that will
do that please?

Thanks!


There are two small brakes I can think of that "might" work.

One fits in the jaws of a bench vise, and you use the force of the vise to
operate the brake. You could probably make one if you have some suitable
scraps laying around.

http://www.grizzly.com/products/6-Vise-Brake/H3245


HOLY ****, Maynard! I got one from LVT for $12.50. Hayseuss Crisco,
they're more cheaply made, smaller, and now cost $22.50. thud
Prices sure have gone up.


The other is called a press brake, and works basically the same way except
you operate it with a hydraulic press.

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...ct_21896_21896

Unless you made one with multiple blades neither would work well as a box
brake.


Rolling his own seems the best bet.

I think that finding scrap pieces at the metal wrecker would be a
whole lot better and cheaper.

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f37/d...-plans-785809/
That last one is made with a piece of inverted angle iron. I'll bet
that'd hold against 12ga steel.

For just an 8" (6" capacity), you could add a lip to mount it in a
vise.

Unless you need super precision, one of these would work tits.


On my list of "maybe if hell freezes over and I have nothing else to do"
projects is maybe making something like this with a variety of "blades" for
various projects.

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On Sun, 2 Jan 2011 12:01:30 -0700, "Bob La Londe"
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"Winston" wrote in message
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I want to bend up some ~12 ga. CRS but
I don't want to buy or house a big brake.

I need 6" width maximum.
After Googling over the past few days,
I have not located a chunky little brake
that will do that for me.

Can you recommend a tool that will
do that please?

Thanks!


There are two small brakes I can think of that "might" work.

One fits in the jaws of a bench vise, and you use the force of the vise to
operate the brake. You could probably make one if you have some suitable
scraps laying around.

http://www.grizzly.com/products/6-Vise-Brake/H3245


HOLY ****, Maynard! I got one from LVT for $12.50. Hayseuss Crisco,
they're more cheaply made, smaller, and now cost $22.50. thud
Prices sure have gone up.


The other is called a press brake, and works basically the same way except
you operate it with a hydraulic press.

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...ct_21896_21896

Unless you made one with multiple blades neither would work well as a box
brake.


Rolling his own seems the best bet.

I think that finding scrap pieces at the metal wrecker would be a
whole lot better and cheaper.

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f37/d...-plans-785809/
That last one is made with a piece of inverted angle iron. I'll bet
that'd hold against 12ga steel.

For just an 8" (6" capacity), you could add a lip to mount it in a
vise.

Unless you need super precision, one of these would work tits.


On my list of "maybe if hell freezes over and I have nothing else to do"
projects is maybe making something like this with a variety of "blades" for
various projects.


Want one -that- bad, do ya? snort

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"Winston" wrote in message
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I want to bend up some ~12 ga. CRS but
I don't want to buy or house a big brake.

I need 6" width maximum.
After Googling over the past few days,
I have not located a chunky little brake
that will do that for me.

Can you recommend a tool that will
do that please?

Thanks!


There are two small brakes I can think of that "might" work.

One fits in the jaws of a bench vise, and you use the force of the vise
to
operate the brake. You could probably make one if you have some
suitable
scraps laying around.

http://www.grizzly.com/products/6-Vise-Brake/H3245

HOLY ****, Maynard! I got one from LVT for $12.50. Hayseuss Crisco,
they're more cheaply made, smaller, and now cost $22.50. thud
Prices sure have gone up.


The other is called a press brake, and works basically the same way
except
you operate it with a hydraulic press.

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...ct_21896_21896

Unless you made one with multiple blades neither would work well as a
box
brake.

Rolling his own seems the best bet.

I think that finding scrap pieces at the metal wrecker would be a
whole lot better and cheaper.

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f37/d...-plans-785809/
That last one is made with a piece of inverted angle iron. I'll bet
that'd hold against 12ga steel.

For just an 8" (6" capacity), you could add a lip to mount it in a
vise.

Unless you need super precision, one of these would work tits.


On my list of "maybe if hell freezes over and I have nothing else to do"
projects is maybe making something like this with a variety of "blades"
for
various projects.


Want one -that- bad, do ya? snort


Its funny. Now if I want a small metal box I am just as likely to throw a
block on the mini mill and cut one out of a single piece. LOL. In fact
doing exactly that were among my first brain challenging projects to get a
good grasp of the machine. My son keeps one I cut out of low density paper
covered shelf board in his room. I look at it today and cringe at all the
mistake evident in it.









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On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 09:13:49 -0700, "Bob La Londe"
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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On Sun, 2 Jan 2011 12:01:30 -0700, "Bob La Londe"
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"Winston" wrote in message
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I want to bend up some ~12 ga. CRS but
I don't want to buy or house a big brake.

I need 6" width maximum.
After Googling over the past few days,
I have not located a chunky little brake
that will do that for me.

Can you recommend a tool that will
do that please?

Thanks!


There are two small brakes I can think of that "might" work.

One fits in the jaws of a bench vise, and you use the force of the vise
to
operate the brake. You could probably make one if you have some
suitable
scraps laying around.

http://www.grizzly.com/products/6-Vise-Brake/H3245

HOLY ****, Maynard! I got one from LVT for $12.50. Hayseuss Crisco,
they're more cheaply made, smaller, and now cost $22.50. thud
Prices sure have gone up.


The other is called a press brake, and works basically the same way
except
you operate it with a hydraulic press.

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...ct_21896_21896

Unless you made one with multiple blades neither would work well as a
box
brake.

Rolling his own seems the best bet.

I think that finding scrap pieces at the metal wrecker would be a
whole lot better and cheaper.

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f37/d...-plans-785809/
That last one is made with a piece of inverted angle iron. I'll bet
that'd hold against 12ga steel.

For just an 8" (6" capacity), you could add a lip to mount it in a
vise.

Unless you need super precision, one of these would work tits.

On my list of "maybe if hell freezes over and I have nothing else to do"
projects is maybe making something like this with a variety of "blades"
for
various projects.


Want one -that- bad, do ya? snort


Its funny. Now if I want a small metal box I am just as likely to throw a
block on the mini mill and cut one out of a single piece. LOL. In fact


How thin can you make the walls nowadays?


doing exactly that were among my first brain challenging projects to get a
good grasp of the machine. My son keeps one I cut out of low density paper
covered shelf board in his room. I look at it today and cringe at all the
mistake evident in it.


Grok that. Mom asked if I wanted my 8th grade woodshop project back
and I decided that I didn't need any more negative reinforcement in my
life today.

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Its funny. Now if I want a small metal box I am just as likely to throw
a block on the mini mill and cut one out of a single piece. ...


So, that would be, what, 99% waste? G You must have a cheap source
for stock.

Bob
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Its funny. Now if I want a small metal box I am just as likely to throw
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So, that would be, what, 99% waste? G You must have a cheap source for
stock.

Bob


Not even. Just an obsessive desire to do some things. LOL.


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Bob La Londe wrote:

Its funny. Now if I want a small metal box I am just as likely to throw
a block on the mini mill and cut one out of a single piece. ...


So, that would be, what, 99% waste? G You must have a cheap source for
stock.

Bob


Not even. Just an obsessive desire to do some things. LOL.


"If you have a mill, everything looks like billet.", eh?

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--Heh. I've got the 24" finger brake too; the press brake would be
frosting on the cake. Gotta get off my butt this yr and recondition the
finger brake, which is in a fairly sorry state. Yah they're nice too.

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Bob La Londe wrote:

Its funny. Now if I want a small metal box I am just as likely to
throw
a block on the mini mill and cut one out of a single piece. ...

So, that would be, what, 99% waste? G You must have a cheap source
for
stock.

Bob


Not even. Just an obsessive desire to do some things. LOL.


"If you have a mill, everything looks like billet.", eh?


Yup! Aluminum plate, steel, MDF, titanium, cast iron, even that broken vise
sitting in the corner that you hate to throw away.

Actually titanium "screwless" vises are on my short to do list. In order to
get size, strength, and light weight for the mini machines.

OK, This thread is officially hijacked. LOL.

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On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 21:15:03 -0700, "Bob La Londe"
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"Bob Engelhardt" wrote in message
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Bob La Londe wrote:

Its funny. Now if I want a small metal box I am just as likely to
throw
a block on the mini mill and cut one out of a single piece. ...

So, that would be, what, 99% waste? G You must have a cheap source
for
stock.

Bob

Not even. Just an obsessive desire to do some things. LOL.


"If you have a mill, everything looks like billet.", eh?


Yup! Aluminum plate, steel, MDF, titanium, cast iron, even that broken vise
sitting in the corner that you hate to throw away.

Actually titanium "screwless" vises are on my short to do list. In order to
get size, strength, and light weight for the mini machines.


Hey, I'll trade you a threaded 3" steel sine toolmaker's vise for a
2.5" titanium screwless.


OK, This thread is officially hijacked. LOL.


You betcha.

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Bob La Londe wrote:

Its funny. Now if I want a small metal box I am just as likely to
throw
a block on the mini mill and cut one out of a single piece. ...

So, that would be, what, 99% waste? G You must have a cheap source
for
stock.

Bob

Not even. Just an obsessive desire to do some things. LOL.

"If you have a mill, everything looks like billet.", eh?


Yup! Aluminum plate, steel, MDF, titanium, cast iron, even that broken
vise
sitting in the corner that you hate to throw away.

Actually titanium "screwless" vises are on my short to do list. In order
to
get size, strength, and light weight for the mini machines.


Hey, I'll trade you a threaded 3" steel sine toolmaker's vise for a
2.5" titanium screwless.



I bet you would. Titanium is freaking expensive.



OK, This thread is officially hijacked. LOL.


You betcha.

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Hey, I'll trade you a threaded 3" steel sine toolmaker's vise for a
2.5" titanium screwless.


I bet you would. Titanium is freaking expensive.


Oh. I only thought they were lighter.
I'd still do the trade, though. wink


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Hey, I'll trade you a threaded 3" steel sine toolmaker's vise for a
2.5" titanium screwless.


I bet you would. Titanium is freaking expensive.


Oh. I only thought they were lighter.
I'd still do the trade, though. wink


Achully.... for a small vise like that steel would be fine. Hoever for
something with 4-5" jaw width and 6+ opening it would be too heavy for those
little steppers. The least little bind or one dry spot ont he ways and
everything would probably go to hack. I routinely do pieces 4 by 6 on the
mini mills. Its my standard size for one type of project I do. I keep
being torn between a vacuum clamp and a vise. Right now I have a stop block
t bolted to the table and squared, and a piece of angle with a shim. When I
titghten the bolts through the angle it tilts on the shim and clamps the
work piece. The t-nuts are the most expensive part of that "vise." Its all
made out of aluminum and its pretty forgiving. Tool crashs go right through
it and it still holds like its supposed to. Its also a pretty flexible
application. Every piece hits the table squared the same. One day I should
put a side stop on the bar so its positioned the same also, but then I
couldn't wider plates. I was thinking with a titanium vise I could machine
shallow grip parrallels into the jaws, and machine positioning stops in for
different width plates. That way I could have a lot more working room and
would never risk a tool crash into my clamping hardware.








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Hey, I'll trade you a threaded 3" steel sine toolmaker's vise for a
2.5" titanium screwless.

I bet you would. Titanium is freaking expensive.


Oh. I only thought they were lighter.
I'd still do the trade, though. wink


Achully.... for a small vise like that steel would be fine. Hoever for


Oh, I know. But it would be a _fine_ trade for me. heh heh heh


something with 4-5" jaw width and 6+ opening it would be too heavy for those
little steppers. The least little bind or one dry spot ont he ways and
everything would probably go to hack. I routinely do pieces 4 by 6 on the
mini mills. Its my standard size for one type of project I do. I keep
being torn between a vacuum clamp and a vise. Right now I have a stop block
t bolted to the table and squared, and a piece of angle with a shim. When I
titghten the bolts through the angle it tilts on the shim and clamps the
work piece. The t-nuts are the most expensive part of that "vise." Its all


Titanium teenuts? ChaCHING!


made out of aluminum and its pretty forgiving. Tool crashs go right through
it and it still holds like its supposed to. Its also a pretty flexible
application. Every piece hits the table squared the same. One day I should
put a side stop on the bar so its positioned the same also, but then I
couldn't wider plates. I was thinking with a titanium vise I could machine
shallow grip parrallels into the jaws, and machine positioning stops in for
different width plates. That way I could have a lot more working room and
would never risk a tool crash into my clamping hardware.


There ya go. Tool crashes are never any fun, especially if the broken
tool eats the part you were milling.

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