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Sorry for the long URL. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...sections-of-se am-on-exploding-san-bruno-pipeline-were-welded-only-on-outside.html Erik |
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Erik wrote: Hi all, Sorry for the long URL. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...sections-of-se am-on-exploding-san-bruno-pipeline-were-welded-only-on-outside.html Erik More here... http://www.ntsb.gov/Surface/pipeline...n-Bruno-CA.htm l Erik |
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On 2010-12-14, Erik wrote:
In article , Erik wrote: Hi all, Sorry for the long URL. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...sections-of-se am-on-exploding-san-bruno-pipeline-were-welded-only-on-outside.html Erik More here... http://www.ntsb.gov/Surface/pipeline...n-Bruno-CA.htm l Erik Erik, what software do you use that cplits URLS in this fashion? i |
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Ignoramus21697 wrote: On 2010-12-14, Erik wrote: In article , Erik wrote: Hi all, Sorry for the long URL. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...sections-of-se am-on-exploding-san-bruno-pipeline-were-welded-only-on-outside.html Erik More here... http://www.ntsb.gov/Surface/pipeline...n-Bruno-CA.htm l Erik Erik, what software do you use that cplits URLS in this fashion? i MT-NewsWatcher. Erik |
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Erik wrote in
rec.crafts.metalworking on Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:57:21 -0800: Hi all, Sorry for the long URL. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...sections-of-se am-on-exploding-san-bruno-pipeline-were-welded-only-on-outside.html Url reduced for you. http://tinyurl.com/gas-pipe-boom -- Dan H. northshore MA. |
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rec.crafts.metalworking on Tue, 14 Dec 2010 14:04:58 -0800: More here... http://www.ntsb.gov/Surface/pipeline...n-Bruno-CA.htm l http://tinyurl.com/more-story -- Dan H. northshore MA. |
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"Erik" wrote in message ... Hi all, Sorry for the long URL. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...sections-of-se am-on-exploding-san-bruno-pipeline-were-welded-only-on-outside.html Erik I copied and pasted this url, and it worked for me. The second one you posted said OOPS, broken. This is interesting. VERY FEW pipelines are welded both inside and outside. Most are just welded on the outside, that being a confusing term. They are welded FROM the outside, but the root pass penetrates into the inside of the pipe a tiny bit, and joins the root of the two pieces together. Very few pipelines are welded on the inside because it interferes with the cleaning devices run through them. That would be for the welds that join the two pieces of pipe together. The article was about the absence of longitudinal welds, that is the welds running from end to end, made when the pipe was rolled into a tube, and the edges joined along their two longitudinal edges. The welds are then finished so fine that it is difficult to find the weld. Apparently, the sections of pipe had longitudinal welds that had inside and outside welding, but some were missing the internal half of the weld. There would be major inconsistencies if they were present in some sections, and not in others, or were intermittent, as from a malfunctioning welding machine. I would suggest that they were made with an automated welding device, perhaps using the SAW technique. (Submerged Arc Welding) It will be interesting to follow this. This particular fact of the investigation is one that I would have never guessed. I always said I'd wait for the final report, and this isn't even the final report, but it DOES provide some of the actual facts of the metallurgical forensic investigation. Steve |
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Steve B wrote:
wrote in message ... Hi all, Sorry for the long URL. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...sections-of-se am-on-exploding-san-bruno-pipeline-were-welded-only-on-outside.html Erik I copied and pasted this url, and it worked for me. The second one you posted said OOPS, broken. This is interesting. VERY FEW pipelines are welded both inside and outside. Most are just welded on the outside, that being a confusing term. They are welded FROM the outside, but the root pass penetrates into the inside of the pipe a tiny bit, and joins the root of the two pieces together. Very few pipelines are welded on the inside because it interferes with the cleaning devices run through them. That would be for the welds that join the two pieces of pipe together. The article was about the absence of longitudinal welds, that is the welds running from end to end, made when the pipe was rolled into a tube, and the edges joined along their two longitudinal edges. The welds are then finished so fine that it is difficult to find the weld. Apparently, the sections of pipe had longitudinal welds that had inside and outside welding, but some were missing the internal half of the weld. There would be major inconsistencies if they were present in some sections, and not in others, or were intermittent, as from a malfunctioning welding machine. I would suggest that they were made with an automated welding device, perhaps using the SAW technique. (Submerged Arc Welding) It will be interesting to follow this. This particular fact of the investigation is one that I would have never guessed. I always said I'd wait for the final report, and this isn't even the final report, but it DOES provide some of the actual facts of the metallurgical forensic investigation. There was also an interesting inconsistency between the LA times article and the NTSB report. The NTSB says.. "The rupture created a crater approximately 72 feet long by 26 feet wide. A pipe segment approximately 28 feet long was found about 100 feet away from the crater. The released natural gas was ignited sometime after the rupture; the resulting fire destroyed 37 homes and damaged 18. Eight people were killed, numerous individuals were injured, and many more were evacuated from the area. " Whereas the LA times says... "The powerful blast occurred after a major transmission line running under a hillside neighborhood began leaking large volumes of gas. When the gas ignited, it blew a 28-foot section of the pipe out of the ground and set fire to more than 50 homes, 37 of which were completely destroyed." Early on, I tried to convince a cow-orker that a 30" pipe pressurized to 400 psi would be quite capable of heaving itself out of the ground and 100 feet away just by the pressure of the gas released through a failed weld. He wouldn't believe me.... |
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On 2010-12-14, Steve B wrote:
"Erik" wrote in message ... Hi all, Sorry for the long URL. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...sections-of-se am-on-exploding-san-bruno-pipeline-were-welded-only-on-outside.html Erik I copied and pasted this url, and it worked for me. The second one you posted said OOPS, broken. This is interesting. VERY FEW pipelines are welded both inside and outside. Most are just welded on the outside, that being a confusing term. They are welded FROM the outside, but the root pass penetrates into the inside of the pipe a tiny bit, and joins the root of the two pieces together. Very few pipelines are welded on the inside because it interferes with the cleaning devices run through them. That would be for the welds that join the two pieces of pipe together. The article was about the absence of longitudinal welds, that is the welds running from end to end, made when the pipe was rolled into a tube, and the edges joined along their two longitudinal edges. The welds are then finished so fine that it is difficult to find the weld. Apparently, the sections of pipe had longitudinal welds that had inside and outside welding, but some were missing the internal half of the weld. There would be major inconsistencies if they were present in some sections, and not in others, or were intermittent, as from a malfunctioning welding machine. I would suggest that they were made with an automated welding device, perhaps using the SAW technique. (Submerged Arc Welding) It will be interesting to follow this. This particular fact of the investigation is one that I would have never guessed. I always said I'd wait for the final report, and this isn't even the final report, but it DOES provide some of the actual facts of the metallurgical forensic investigation. Steve, this is very useful to know. DO you know if that one "outside" weld that leaves a root inside, is done with one pass? i |
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On 12/14/2010 3:46 PM, Jim Stewart wrote:
Early on, I tried to convince a cow-orker that a 30" pipe pressurized to 400 psi would be quite capable of heaving itself out of the ground and 100 feet away just by the pressure of the gas released through a failed weld. He wouldn't believe me.... Send him this link (fast forward to about 1:10 for the good stuff) to see a graphic example of the power potential of compressed air or gas. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnyh7...eature=related Jon |
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Erik wrote: In article , Erik wrote: Hi all, Sorry for the long URL. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...sections-of-se am-on-exploding-san-bruno-pipeline-were-welded-only-on-outside.html Erik More here... http://www.ntsb.gov/Surface/pipeline...n-Bruno-CA.htm l Erik Here are your links, unbroken: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/12/ntsb-reports-sections-of-seam-on-exploding-san-bruno-pipeline-were-welded-only-on-outside.html http://www.ntsb.gov/Surface/pipeline/Preliminary-Reports/San-Bruno-CA.html -- For the last time: I am not a mad scientist, I'm just a very ticked off scientist!!! |
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 19:39:47 -0800, Jon Anderson
wrote: On 12/14/2010 3:46 PM, Jim Stewart wrote: Early on, I tried to convince a cow-orker that a 30" pipe pressurized to 400 psi would be quite capable of heaving itself out of the ground and 100 feet away just by the pressure of the gas released through a failed weld. He wouldn't believe me.... Send him this link (fast forward to about 1:10 for the good stuff) to see a graphic example of the power potential of compressed air or gas. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnyh7...eature=related What percentage of that force is due to the truck rim flange and how much is due to the jet force of a puncture? That's more of a high-speed mechanical disconnect with mass vs a puncture. Or would the pipeline be more of a half-circumference fracture which enlarged? How do they actually fail? Rustouts would be pinhole jets, but what happened here? I dunno, but it feels like an apple/orange comparison here. I can see that 400psi would blow out a lot of earth, but it doesn't seem strong enough to lift a long, heavy, rigid pipe + earth unless it had found a flame and exploded. LJ--not an engineer. -- Small opportunities are often the beginning of great enterprises. -- Demosthenes |
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On 12/15/2010 5:34 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
What percentage of that force is due to the truck rim flange and how much is due to the jet force of a puncture? That's more of a high-speed mechanical disconnect with mass vs a puncture. And where does the energy come from? All the energy released in the failure originates with the air pressure, the explosive nature of the failure is due to the strength of the materials being exceeded. I dunno, but it feels like an apple/orange comparison here. Well in a sense it is, but it does demonstrate the power of compressed air, or gas. There is a reason things like gas bottles are tested with water under pressure (hydrostatic) instead of compressed gas. Spring a leak with water, and pressure drops at once. I can see that 400psi would blow out a lot of earth, but it doesn't seem strong enough to lift a long, heavy, rigid pipe + earth unless it had found a flame and exploded. As for the explosion theory, where did the oxygen come from that would be needed for an actual explosion? I could see gas seeping through the earth catching fire and burning at the surface. But I can't see there being any significant oxygen, let alone an ignition source, around a buried pipe. Don't forget, there was a hell of a lot of volume of gas in that pipeline. It wasn't like the pressure suddenly dropped the instant the pipe began to fail. And, the earth is a lot heavier than the pipe. If the failure was at the bottom and there was enough force to move all that earth, moving the pipe as well is rather trivial. Just my seat of the pants thoughts, worth half what ya paid for them... G Jon |
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On Dec 15, 8:34*am, Larry Jaques
wrote: I dunno, but it feels like an apple/orange comparison here. * I can see that 400psi would blow out a lot of earth, but it doesn't seem strong enough to lift a long, heavy, rigid pipe + earth unless it had found a flame and exploded. LJ-- Well let's see. A 30 inch dia pipe would have 30 times 12 square inches or 360 sq inches per foot of length. That times 400 psi would be 144,000 lb of force per foot of length or 72 tons of force per foot of length trying to rupture the pipe. That might be strong enough to lift one foot of pipe and the earth above it. Dan |
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Jon Anderson wrote:
On 12/14/2010 3:46 PM, Jim Stewart wrote: Early on, I tried to convince a cow-orker that a 30" pipe pressurized to 400 psi would be quite capable of heaving itself out of the ground and 100 feet away just by the pressure of the gas released through a failed weld. He wouldn't believe me.... Send him this link (fast forward to about 1:10 for the good stuff) to see a graphic example of the power potential of compressed air or gas. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnyh7...eature=related Sonnofabitch... I changed hundreds of split-rim logging truck tires in my misguided youth... |
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On 12/15/2010 10:18 AM, Jim Stewart wrote:
I changed hundreds of split-rim logging truck tires in my misguided youth... My first truck had split rims originally and I changed my first set of tires myself. Dad showed me how and I didn't think it was any big deal. When he showed me how to insure the rim lock was seated, I didn't question it at all, just followed his example and had no problems. But boy, when years later I read about a guy decapitated from a split rim coming apart, it sure sent a chill up my spine! Yeah, I was right on top of those suckers when airing them up... Jon |
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Jon Anderson wrote:
On 12/15/2010 10:18 AM, Jim Stewart wrote: I changed hundreds of split-rim logging truck tires in my misguided youth... My first truck had split rims originally and I changed my first set of tires myself. Dad showed me how and I didn't think it was any big deal. When he showed me how to insure the rim lock was seated, I didn't question it at all, just followed his example and had no problems. Yup, we had just a few rules, make sure the rim wasn't bent and that it seated properly, use a clip-on air chuck and then step back a few steps as it filled. We never had a problem. But boy, when years later I read about a guy decapitated from a split rim coming apart, it sure sent a chill up my spine! Yeah, I was right on top of those suckers when airing them up... I learned from my uncle and he had been a tire man for a good 20 years. He was pretty clear on stepping back as the tire filled. |
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 21:15:02 -0600, Ignoramus21697
wrote: On 2010-12-14, Steve B wrote: "Erik" wrote in message ... Hi all, Sorry for the long URL. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...sections-of-se am-on-exploding-san-bruno-pipeline-were-welded-only-on-outside.html Erik I copied and pasted this url, and it worked for me. The second one you posted said OOPS, broken. This is interesting. VERY FEW pipelines are welded both inside and outside. Most are just welded on the outside, that being a confusing term. They are welded FROM the outside, but the root pass penetrates into the inside of the pipe a tiny bit, and joins the root of the two pieces together. Very few pipelines are welded on the inside because it interferes with the cleaning devices run through them. That would be for the welds that join the two pieces of pipe together. The article was about the absence of longitudinal welds, that is the welds running from end to end, made when the pipe was rolled into a tube, and the edges joined along their two longitudinal edges. The welds are then finished so fine that it is difficult to find the weld. Apparently, the sections of pipe had longitudinal welds that had inside and outside welding, but some were missing the internal half of the weld. There would be major inconsistencies if they were present in some sections, and not in others, or were intermittent, as from a malfunctioning welding machine. I would suggest that they were made with an automated welding device, perhaps using the SAW technique. (Submerged Arc Welding) It will be interesting to follow this. This particular fact of the investigation is one that I would have never guessed. I always said I'd wait for the final report, and this isn't even the final report, but it DOES provide some of the actual facts of the metallurgical forensic investigation. Steve, this is very useful to know. DO you know if that one "outside" weld that leaves a root inside, is done with one pass? i Certainly. I visited a pipe plant in W. Java that made spiral welded pipe ranging from 12 inch to 36 inch, with a maximum capacity of 48 inch. An Australian based company had built the plant and were in the start up phases when I was there. All of their pipe was welded single pass using a submerged arc system. You could see the weld on both the inside and the outside and as I recollect that was the first stage in inspection - look to see if it was a continuous weld on both sides. Cheers, John D. Slocomb (jdslocombatgmail) |
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"Ignoramus21697" wrote in message ... On 2010-12-14, Steve B wrote: "Erik" wrote in message ... Hi all, Sorry for the long URL. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...sections-of-se am-on-exploding-san-bruno-pipeline-were-welded-only-on-outside.html Erik I copied and pasted this url, and it worked for me. The second one you posted said OOPS, broken. This is interesting. VERY FEW pipelines are welded both inside and outside. Most are just welded on the outside, that being a confusing term. They are welded FROM the outside, but the root pass penetrates into the inside of the pipe a tiny bit, and joins the root of the two pieces together. Very few pipelines are welded on the inside because it interferes with the cleaning devices run through them. That would be for the welds that join the two pieces of pipe together. The article was about the absence of longitudinal welds, that is the welds running from end to end, made when the pipe was rolled into a tube, and the edges joined along their two longitudinal edges. The welds are then finished so fine that it is difficult to find the weld. Apparently, the sections of pipe had longitudinal welds that had inside and outside welding, but some were missing the internal half of the weld. There would be major inconsistencies if they were present in some sections, and not in others, or were intermittent, as from a malfunctioning welding machine. I would suggest that they were made with an automated welding device, perhaps using the SAW technique. (Submerged Arc Welding) It will be interesting to follow this. This particular fact of the investigation is one that I would have never guessed. I always said I'd wait for the final report, and this isn't even the final report, but it DOES provide some of the actual facts of the metallurgical forensic investigation. Steve, this is very useful to know. DO you know if that one "outside" weld that leaves a root inside, is done with one pass? i No, I really don't. What I find fascinating is inspecting small square or rectangular tubing. A welding crown is clearly visible on the inside, but how in the world do they get it in such a small space? I'd like to see it on How It's Made, or go to a factory for a tour. Steve |
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"J. D. Slocomb" wrote in message ... On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 21:15:02 -0600, Ignoramus21697 wrote: On 2010-12-14, Steve B wrote: "Erik" wrote in message ... Hi all, Sorry for the long URL. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...sections-of-se am-on-exploding-san-bruno-pipeline-were-welded-only-on-outside.html Erik I copied and pasted this url, and it worked for me. The second one you posted said OOPS, broken. This is interesting. VERY FEW pipelines are welded both inside and outside. Most are just welded on the outside, that being a confusing term. They are welded FROM the outside, but the root pass penetrates into the inside of the pipe a tiny bit, and joins the root of the two pieces together. Very few pipelines are welded on the inside because it interferes with the cleaning devices run through them. That would be for the welds that join the two pieces of pipe together. The article was about the absence of longitudinal welds, that is the welds running from end to end, made when the pipe was rolled into a tube, and the edges joined along their two longitudinal edges. The welds are then finished so fine that it is difficult to find the weld. Apparently, the sections of pipe had longitudinal welds that had inside and outside welding, but some were missing the internal half of the weld. There would be major inconsistencies if they were present in some sections, and not in others, or were intermittent, as from a malfunctioning welding machine. I would suggest that they were made with an automated welding device, perhaps using the SAW technique. (Submerged Arc Welding) It will be interesting to follow this. This particular fact of the investigation is one that I would have never guessed. I always said I'd wait for the final report, and this isn't even the final report, but it DOES provide some of the actual facts of the metallurgical forensic investigation. Steve, this is very useful to know. DO you know if that one "outside" weld that leaves a root inside, is done with one pass? i Certainly. I visited a pipe plant in W. Java that made spiral welded pipe ranging from 12 inch to 36 inch, with a maximum capacity of 48 inch. An Australian based company had built the plant and were in the start up phases when I was there. All of their pipe was welded single pass using a submerged arc system. You could see the weld on both the inside and the outside and as I recollect that was the first stage in inspection - look to see if it was a continuous weld on both sides. Cheers, John D. Slocomb (jdslocombatgmail) So, I was right about the SAW process. Steve |
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... On Dec 15, 8:34 am, Larry Jaques wrote: I dunno, but it feels like an apple/orange comparison here. I can see that 400psi would blow out a lot of earth, but it doesn't seem strong enough to lift a long, heavy, rigid pipe + earth unless it had found a flame and exploded. LJ-- Well let's see. A 30 inch dia pipe would have 30 times 12 square inches or 360 sq inches per foot of length. That times 400 psi would be 144,000 lb of force per foot of length or 72 tons of force per foot of length trying to rupture the pipe. That might be strong enough to lift one foot of pipe and the earth above it. Dan Reply: After seeing a steam line rupture in Oakland about 40 years ago, where it blew some of the street 15' from the hole, I would estimate that the high pressure gas carved a rather large hole in the ground on it's way to the surface. Then with the addition of surface O2 now mixing with the gas, you have the makings of a large FAE A large fuel air explosive. Also known as a big bomb. All it took was a spark to happen and we know that did occur because of the fire. The PG&E records thought it was a seamless pipe, but the pipe was vintage 1955 I think I read. So a bad weld, and some corrosion and 8 dead. |
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rec.crafts.metalworking on Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:27:52 -0800: What I find fascinating is inspecting small square or rectangular tubing. A welding crown is clearly visible on the inside, but how in the world do they get it in such a small space? I'd like to see it on How It's Made, or go to a factory for a tour. Pipe and tube are made from sheet, rolled and formed into shape. The weld is a resistance weld made similar to the way chain links are welded, but on a continuous basis. See: http://gobobpipe.com/goBobPipeMill.html for a look at a machine that makes pipe. or see a series of pictures. http://gobobpipe.com/goBobMillTour.htm The welding and scarfing is shown in step 7 and 8. -- Dan H. northshore MA. |
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"F. George McDuffee" wrote in message news We are about to discover that you cannot operate a viable economy based on stock brokerage, financial engineering, web design and "academics." Someone has to keep the machines and infrastructure working and build new "stuff." -- Unka George (George McDuffee) There is also a national defense element in what you forsee. The projection of US power will be greatly reduced in the future if we continue down the path of reducing our manufacturing capacity. This will result in downsizing our militay and free up the military budget. The money saved can be used for more bailouts. Best Regards Tom. |
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Yet another LA Times article:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,0,7206524.sto ry (Does linking like this work better for everyone?) Erik |
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rec.crafts.metalworking on Thu, 16 Dec 2010 18:05:19 -0800: Yet another LA Times article: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,0,7206524.sto ry (Does linking like this work better for everyone?) Erik Nope, still wraps. -- Dan H. northshore MA. |
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On Dec 17, 6:59*pm, David Lesher wrote:
(dan) writes: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,0,7206524.sto ry (Does linking like this work better for everyone?) Nope, still wraps. But by enclosing the URL; smarter clients can grok it. Even in lowly Google Groups if I reply, edit it to one line and paste it into the URL box it works. jsw |
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Erik wrote: Yet another LA Times article: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,0,7206524.sto ry (Does linking like this work better for everyone?) Erik http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-san-bruno-20101217,0,7206524.story -- For the last time: I am not a mad scientist, I'm just a very ticked off scientist!!! |
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"Steve B" writes:
The article was about the absence of longitudinal welds, that is the welds running from end to end, made when the pipe was rolled into a tube, and the edges joined along their two longitudinal edges. But seamless pipe won't have a weld to split..... -- A host is a host from coast to & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 |
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San Bruno Pipeline Accident Update
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 01:59:30 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: Erik wrote: In article , Erik wrote: Hi all, Sorry for the long URL. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...sections-of-se am-on-exploding-san-bruno-pipeline-were-welded-only-on-outside.html Erik More here... http://www.ntsb.gov/Surface/pipeline...n-Bruno-CA.htm l Erik Here are your links, unbroken: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/12/ntsb-reports-sections-of-seam-on-exploding-san-bruno-pipeline-were-welded-only-on-outside.html http://www.ntsb.gov/Surface/pipeline/Preliminary-Reports/San-Bruno-CA.html Im surprised that the usual computer savvy guys always miss the Gunner Top 10 Democrat Party Slogans 10. Bitterly clinging to aborton and taxes 9. We didnt destroy your freedoms, you can visit them at the Smithstonian 8. If you want us to listen to your opinion, move to Europ 7. Someday none of this will be yours 6. We can't tax terrorism, so who cares? 5. Please don't vote us out!! None of us can hold a real job! 4. Why the Founding Fathers limited Government: Racism! 3. Reducing America's carbon footprint, one job at a time. 2. America: We just cant wait to see how it ends!! 1. Making everything in this country free, except you. |
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San Bruno Pipeline Accident Update
Gunner Asch writes:
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 01:59:30 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Erik wrote: In article , Erik wrote: Hi all, Sorry for the long URL. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...sections-of-se am-on-exploding-san-bruno-pipeline-were-welded-only-on-outside.html Erik More here... http://www.ntsb.gov/Surface/pipeline...n-Bruno-CA.htm l Erik Here are your links, unbroken: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/12/ntsb-reports-sections-of-seam-on-exploding-san-bruno-pipeline-were-welded-only-on-outside.html http://www.ntsb.gov/Surface/pipeline/Preliminary-Reports/San-Bruno-CA.html Im surprised that the usual computer savvy guys always miss the Gunner The aren't part of the URL, and at least on my newsreader (gnus inside emacs) don't do a thing to prevent linewrap. -- As we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. (Benjamin Franklin) |
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San Bruno Pipeline Accident Update
On Dec 18, 7:28*am, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
Gunner Asch writes: ... Im surprised that the usual computer savvy guys always miss the Gunner The aren't part of the URL, and at least on my newsreader (gnus inside emacs) don't do a thing to prevent linewrap. I tried ... for a while but they didn't always work, so I went to http://tinyurl.com/ I still don't know how to reliably post Cyrillic text. jsw |
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San Bruno Pipeline Accident Update
Gunner Asch wrote: On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 01:59:30 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Erik wrote: In article , Erik wrote: Hi all, Sorry for the long URL. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...sections-of-se am-on-exploding-san-bruno-pipeline-were-welded-only-on-outside.html Erik More here... http://www.ntsb.gov/Surface/pipeline...n-Bruno-CA.htm l Erik Here are your links, unbroken: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/12/ntsb-reports-sections-of-seam-on-exploding-san-bruno-pipeline-were-welded-only-on-outside.html http://www.ntsb.gov/Surface/pipeline/Preliminary-Reports/San-Bruno-CA.html Im surprised that the usual computer savvy guys always miss the It doesn't work with some NNTP software. A lot of newer programs seem to have moved away from the early standards. -- For the last time: I am not a mad scientist, I'm just a very ticked off scientist!!! |
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