Well that is, if it is fixable. 7.5 HP Baldor Industrial Motor 110 to
440V 1725 rpm free !

The shaft won't turn all the way around by hand, but it has grease
zerts. This should be big enough for generating power for the whole
property minus the washer and dryer. Plus could switch for my
imaginary 330 and 440 machines in the future. Now for the small diesel
and learn bio-fuel aka veggy oil.

Just got it, any good sites on procedures, never took apart one this
size before. I think I have one puller to my name so I'm thinking this
might be a project. Hopefully it doesn't have obvious magic smoke loss
on the inside.

Seems like every year we have high winds and the power is off for
days. Last time I fixed and set up two houses for other people before
I did mine. The main concern is running a 2 HP 220V well pump from
300' away. Or if I had to set it up by the main power feed. Yes I know
about back feed consideration, but what if the power goes out for
weeks?


SW

On 2010-12-04, Sunworshipper wrote:
Well that is, if it is fixable. 7.5 HP Baldor Industrial Motor 110 to
440V 1725 rpm free !

The shaft won't turn all the way around by hand, but it has grease
zerts. This should be big enough for generating power for the whole
property minus the washer and dryer. Plus could switch for my
imaginary 330 and 440 machines in the future. Now for the small diesel
and learn bio-fuel aka veggy oil.

Just got it, any good sites on procedures, never took apart one this
size before. I think I have one puller to my name so I'm thinking this
might be a project. Hopefully it doesn't have obvious magic smoke loss
on the inside.

Seems like every year we have high winds and the power is off for
days. Last time I fixed and set up two houses for other people before
I did mine. The main concern is running a 2 HP 220V well pump from
300' away. Or if I had to set it up by the main power feed. Yes I know
about back feed consideration, but what if the power goes out for
weeks?


SW

Just take it apart and see, it should be easy and is likeyl fixable.

i

Sunworshipper fired this volley in
news
Well that is, if it is fixable. 7.5 HP Baldor Industrial Motor 110 to
440V 1725 rpm free !

The shaft won't turn all the way around by hand, but it has grease
zerts. This should be big enough for generating power for the whole
property minus the washer and dryer. Plus could switch for my
imaginary 330 and 440 machines in the future. Now for the small diesel
and learn bio-fuel aka veggy oil.


Are you implying that an induction motor can be used as a generator?

You'd be way better off to saw out the copper...

LLoyd

On Sat, 04 Dec 2010 12:20:50 -0600, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:

Sunworshipper fired this volley in
news
Well that is, if it is fixable. 7.5 HP Baldor Industrial Motor 110 to
440V 1725 rpm free !

The shaft won't turn all the way around by hand, but it has grease
zerts. This should be big enough for generating power for the whole
property minus the washer and dryer. Plus could switch for my
imaginary 330 and 440 machines in the future. Now for the small diesel
and learn bio-fuel aka veggy oil.


Are you implying that an induction motor can be used as a generator?

You'd be way better off to saw out the copper...

LLoyd

Well , yeah. That won't work? No magnets?

SW

Sunworshipper wrote:

On Sat, 04 Dec 2010 12:20:50 -0600, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:

Sunworshipper fired this volley in
news
Well that is, if it is fixable. 7.5 HP Baldor Industrial Motor 110 to
440V 1725 rpm free !

The shaft won't turn all the way around by hand, but it has grease
zerts. This should be big enough for generating power for the whole
property minus the washer and dryer. Plus could switch for my
imaginary 330 and 440 machines in the future. Now for the small diesel
and learn bio-fuel aka veggy oil.


Are you implying that an induction motor can be used as a generator?

You'd be way better off to saw out the copper...

LLoyd

Well , yeah. That won't work? No magnets?

SW

No magnets. If I recall, you can use an induction generator to *add*
power, but you need another generator running to provide the excitation.

On Dec 4, 1:20*pm, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:

Are you implying that an induction motor can be used as a generator?


LLoyd

An induction motor can be used as a generator. Now it isn't designed
for that, so it has some limitations.

Search on Google for " induction motor generator " and you will find
lots of information, more than I want to type.


Dan

On Sat, 04 Dec 2010 12:11:10 -0600, Sunworshipper
wrote:

Well that is, if it is fixable. 7.5 HP Baldor Industrial Motor 110 to
440V 1725 rpm free !

The shaft won't turn all the way around by hand, but it has grease
zerts. This should be big enough for generating power for the whole
property minus the washer and dryer. Plus could switch for my
imaginary 330 and 440 machines in the future. Now for the small diesel
and learn bio-fuel aka veggy oil.

Just got it, any good sites on procedures, never took apart one this
size before. I think I have one puller to my name so I'm thinking this
might be a project. Hopefully it doesn't have obvious magic smoke loss
on the inside.

Seems like every year we have high winds and the power is off for
days. Last time I fixed and set up two houses for other people before
I did mine. The main concern is running a 2 HP 220V well pump from
300' away. Or if I had to set it up by the main power feed. Yes I know
about back feed consideration, but what if the power goes out for
weeks?


SW

It's TOAST. Bummer

My puller could be modified to get the bearings off, hopefully they
are the same size cause I'm off to see if someone has a bigger puller.
Suppose ya have to press the stator off to get the shaft for other
uses.

It wouldn't turn cause of the 3/32" copper beads in the bottom.

SW

" fired this volley in news:74d7a032-
:

An induction motor can be used as a generator. Now it isn't designed
for that, so it has some limitatio

Yeah, like the worst load regulation known to man.

Yes, they can be excited externally, and then made to generate power.
But unless you want to run resistive loads only, and then with around 15%
load regulation, they're not effective.

Besides, with that motor he had, he'd have blown a few hundred watts just
in excitation losses.

NOT an effective approach, especially for someone who knows nothing about
motors.

LLoyd

Sunworshipper wrote:

It wouldn't turn cause of the 3/32" copper beads in the bottom.

Take it to the scrap dealer, they pay out for motors.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

On Dec 4, 5:34*pm, Wes wrote:
Sunworshipper wrote:
It wouldn't turn cause of the 3/32" copper beads in the bottom.

Take it to the scrap dealer, they pay out for motors.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." *Dick Anthony Heller

A couple of cents a pound around here, minimum 1 ton.

Stan

On Sat, 04 Dec 2010 12:20:50 -0600, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:

Sunworshipper fired this volley in
news
Well that is, if it is fixable. 7.5 HP Baldor Industrial Motor 110 to
440V 1725 rpm free !

The shaft won't turn all the way around by hand, but it has grease
zerts. This should be big enough for generating power for the whole
property minus the washer and dryer. Plus could switch for my
imaginary 330 and 440 machines in the future. Now for the small diesel
and learn bio-fuel aka veggy oil.


Are you implying that an induction motor can be used as a generator?

You'd be way better off to saw out the copper...

LLoyd

Most definitely CAN be used as a generator. Needs a few good caps -
and it needs to be a 3 phase motor to do it relatively easily.

On Sat, 04 Dec 2010 13:43:20 -0600, "Pete C."
wrote:


Sunworshipper wrote:

On Sat, 04 Dec 2010 12:20:50 -0600, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:

Sunworshipper fired this volley in
news
Well that is, if it is fixable. 7.5 HP Baldor Industrial Motor 110 to
440V 1725 rpm free !

The shaft won't turn all the way around by hand, but it has grease
zerts. This should be big enough for generating power for the whole
property minus the washer and dryer. Plus could switch for my
imaginary 330 and 440 machines in the future. Now for the small diesel
and learn bio-fuel aka veggy oil.


Are you implying that an induction motor can be used as a generator?

You'd be way better off to saw out the copper...

LLoyd

Well , yeah. That won't work? No magnets?

SW

No magnets. If I recall, you can use an induction generator to *add*
power, but you need another generator running to provide the excitation.
Not true with 3 phase motor.

On 2010-12-06, wrote:
On Sat, 04 Dec 2010 13:43:20 -0600, "Pete C."
wrote:


Sunworshipper wrote:

On Sat, 04 Dec 2010 12:20:50 -0600, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:

Sunworshipper fired this volley in
news
Well that is, if it is fixable. 7.5 HP Baldor Industrial Motor 110 to
440V 1725 rpm free !

The shaft won't turn all the way around by hand, but it has grease
zerts. This should be big enough for generating power for the whole
property minus the washer and dryer. Plus could switch for my
imaginary 330 and 440 machines in the future. Now for the small diesel
and learn bio-fuel aka veggy oil.


Are you implying that an induction motor can be used as a generator?

You'd be way better off to saw out the copper...

LLoyd

Well , yeah. That won't work? No magnets?

SW

No magnets. If I recall, you can use an induction generator to *add*
power, but you need another generator running to provide the excitation.
Not true with 3 phase motor.

So, how would you use a three phase motor as a generator?

i

fired this volley in
:

Most definitely CAN be used as a generator. Needs a few good caps -
and it needs to be a 3 phase motor to do it relatively easily.


and you need to not care about load regulation.

LLoyd

On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 15:26:26 -0600, Ignoramus6201
wrote:

On 2010-12-06, wrote:
On Sat, 04 Dec 2010 13:43:20 -0600, "Pete C."
wrote:


Sunworshipper wrote:

On Sat, 04 Dec 2010 12:20:50 -0600, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:

Sunworshipper fired this volley in
news
Well that is, if it is fixable. 7.5 HP Baldor Industrial Motor 110 to
440V 1725 rpm free !

The shaft won't turn all the way around by hand, but it has grease
zerts. This should be big enough for generating power for the whole
property minus the washer and dryer. Plus could switch for my
imaginary 330 and 440 machines in the future. Now for the small diesel
and learn bio-fuel aka veggy oil.


Are you implying that an induction motor can be used as a generator?

You'd be way better off to saw out the copper...

LLoyd

Well , yeah. That won't work? No magnets?

SW

No magnets. If I recall, you can use an induction generator to *add*
power, but you need another generator running to provide the excitation.
Not true with 3 phase motor.

So, how would you use a three phase motor as a generator?

i
You put motor run (AC) capacitors accross 2 phases and take power off
the third.. You need to run it just over nameplate RPM, start it with
no load, and it automatically shuts down if overloaded.

On a single Phase motor you put the caps across the load.

On 2010-12-07, wrote:
On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 15:26:26 -0600, Ignoramus6201
wrote:

On 2010-12-06, wrote:
On Sat, 04 Dec 2010 13:43:20 -0600, "Pete C."
wrote:


Sunworshipper wrote:

On Sat, 04 Dec 2010 12:20:50 -0600, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:

Sunworshipper fired this volley in
news
Well that is, if it is fixable. 7.5 HP Baldor Industrial Motor 110 to
440V 1725 rpm free !

The shaft won't turn all the way around by hand, but it has grease
zerts. This should be big enough for generating power for the whole
property minus the washer and dryer. Plus could switch for my
imaginary 330 and 440 machines in the future. Now for the small diesel
and learn bio-fuel aka veggy oil.


Are you implying that an induction motor can be used as a generator?

You'd be way better off to saw out the copper...

LLoyd

Well , yeah. That won't work? No magnets?

SW

No magnets. If I recall, you can use an induction generator to *add*
power, but you need another generator running to provide the excitation.
Not true with 3 phase motor.

So, how would you use a three phase motor as a generator?

i
You put motor run (AC) capacitors accross 2 phases and take power off
the third.. You need to run it just over nameplate RPM, start it with
no load, and it automatically shuts down if overloaded.

On a single Phase motor you put the caps across the load.

I am very surprised to read about it. Do you have any kinds of
references that I could take a look at?

i

Ignoramus6201 wrote:

(...)

I am very surprised to read about it. Do you have any kinds of
references that I could take a look at?

http://www.qsl.net/ns8o/Induction_Generator.html
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4537...ro-Hydro_Power

--Winston

Winston wrote:
Ignoramus6201 wrote:
(...)
I am very surprised to read about it. Do you have any kinds of
references that I could take a look at?

http://www.qsl.net/ns8o/Induction_Generator.html

So, would the same idea work on a 3-phase motor, with 3 identical
capacitors, one per winding, and get 3-phase out?

That _would_ be cool. :-)

I don't like the load regulation deal, but I'm already thinking about
some kind of regulation circuit - a shunt regulator could probably be
made with a bridge and a mongo pass element, but that's terribly
inefficient...

Cheers!
Rich

On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 22:47:39 -0600, Ignoramus6201
wrote:

On 2010-12-07, wrote:
On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 15:26:26 -0600, Ignoramus6201
wrote:

On 2010-12-06, wrote:
On Sat, 04 Dec 2010 13:43:20 -0600, "Pete C."
wrote:


Sunworshipper wrote:

On Sat, 04 Dec 2010 12:20:50 -0600, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:

Sunworshipper fired this volley in
news
Well that is, if it is fixable. 7.5 HP Baldor Industrial Motor 110 to
440V 1725 rpm free !

The shaft won't turn all the way around by hand, but it has grease
zerts. This should be big enough for generating power for the whole
property minus the washer and dryer. Plus could switch for my
imaginary 330 and 440 machines in the future. Now for the small diesel
and learn bio-fuel aka veggy oil.


Are you implying that an induction motor can be used as a generator?

You'd be way better off to saw out the copper...

LLoyd

Well , yeah. That won't work? No magnets?

SW

No magnets. If I recall, you can use an induction generator to *add*
power, but you need another generator running to provide the excitation.
Not true with 3 phase motor.

So, how would you use a three phase motor as a generator?

i
You put motor run (AC) capacitors accross 2 phases and take power off
the third.. You need to run it just over nameplate RPM, start it with
no load, and it automatically shuts down if overloaded.

On a single Phase motor you put the caps across the load.

I am very surprised to read about it. Do you have any kinds of
references that I could take a look at?

i
Google 'induction motor generator conversion' - there is a ham
operator has a site up - and I think something like "otherpower.com"
as well.

www.prairieturbines.net - article on a 3 phase motor/generator with 1
phase tied to a local power company's lines.

Hul

wrote:
On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 22:47:39 -0600, Ignoramus6201
wrote:

On 2010-12-07, wrote:
On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 15:26:26 -0600, Ignoramus6201
wrote:

On 2010-12-06, wrote:
On Sat, 04 Dec 2010 13:43:20 -0600, "Pete C."
wrote:


Sunworshipper wrote:

On Sat, 04 Dec 2010 12:20:50 -0600, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:

Sunworshipper fired this volley in
news
Well that is, if it is fixable. 7.5 HP Baldor Industrial Motor 110 to
440V 1725 rpm free !

The shaft won't turn all the way around by hand, but it has grease
zerts. This should be big enough for generating power for the whole
property minus the washer and dryer. Plus could switch for my
imaginary 330 and 440 machines in the future. Now for the small diesel
and learn bio-fuel aka veggy oil.


Are you implying that an induction motor can be used as a generator?

You'd be way better off to saw out the copper...

LLoyd

Well , yeah. That won't work? No magnets?

SW

No magnets. If I recall, you can use an induction generator to *add*
power, but you need another generator running to provide the excitation.
Not true with 3 phase motor.

So, how would you use a three phase motor as a generator?

i
You put motor run (AC) capacitors accross 2 phases and take power off
the third.. You need to run it just over nameplate RPM, start it with
no load, and it automatically shuts down if overloaded.

On a single Phase motor you put the caps across the load.

I am very surprised to read about it. Do you have any kinds of
references that I could take a look at?

i
Google 'induction motor generator conversion' - there is a ham
operator has a site up - and I think something like "otherpower.com"
as well.

wrote:
www.prairieturbines.net - article on a 3 phase motor/generator with 1
phase tied to a local power company's lines.

Hul

http://www.prairieturbines.com/

On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 19:23:59 -0500, Bob Engelhardt
wrote:

wrote:
www.prairieturbines.net - article on a 3 phase motor/generator with 1
phase tied to a local power company's lines.

Hul

http://www.prairieturbines.com/

ROI would be long, long, long. One guy is installing 10Kw units for
$25k. Even at 25 cents per KwH, payback takes over a decade, longer
if you have any maintenance whatsoever. But, you're doing something
green (spending them) and helping save the old grid. Go for it, guys!

LJ sez: If I lived in an area where the wind was blowing 23 mph all
day, I'd move to somewhere more friendly to lifeforms.

--
You can't wait for inspiration. You have to go after it with a club.
--Jack London