On 12/2/2010 4:01 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

P.S: Will somebody clue in Too-Much-Toluene that he's in my twit
filters already. I think this is his third or fourth email addy to go
in there, and it was instituted as soon as I saw his second post.
Life's too short to suffer fools.


That's exactly the reason why nobody regards your posts as anything but
biased right wing claptrap and a load of garbage from an ignorant old fool.

Hawke

On 12/2/2010 4:19 PM, Wes wrote:
Larry wrote:

P.S: Will somebody clue in Too-Much-Toluene that he's in my twit
filters already. I think this is his third or fourth email addy to go
in there, and it was instituted as soon as I saw his second post.
Life's too short to suffer fools.

Did he get out of the halfway house? At least my filters are still kill filing him.

Wes

Kill files are for pussies and weaklings. No wonder all you right
wingers are so fond of them.


Hawke

On 12/2/2010 11:43 PM, Don Foreman wrote:

You regard criticism of an elected official as anti-American while
claiming to be educated in political science?

You disrespected the office. Every conservative I know would call that
being anti American.


The president's conduct clearly shows that he doesn't respect the
office but regards it as a posession and position of power won by
election and public mandate.

You can tell all that just by the absence of a salute? Admit it, you
just have no respect for Obama so you find fault everywhere.


The office does indeed deserve respect, and the conduct of the person
in that office should exhibit such respect. The way he chose to
behave re SSG Guiunta is way off base for the CIC of our armed forces.

Okay, what percentage of Americans agree with that view? 2%? Probably
less. The fact is you have to be way out there to hold that kind of
view. Oh, the president didn't salute the guy he pinned the medal on.
That really means a lot. Well, not to anyone that's normal.



Noting his gaffes in no way disrespects the office. It does note the
behavior of the man in that office regardless of party. We do that
in a civil society. We didn't accept the egregiously disrespectful
transgressions of Clinton or Nixon. We should not pretend that the
emperor is fully clothed when he isn't.

Funny you mention Nixon. I saw a get together today on Book TV that took
place at the Nixon Library. Nobody there acted in any way that they had
anything but respect and admiration for Nixon. Of course, those were all
republicans but it shows that as bad as the behavior of Nixon was it has
been accepted and forgiven by the republicans. I predict it won't be
long until the right wing kooks like Ann Coulter will be trying to
rewrite history and telling us how great Nixon was like she and others
now do for McCarthy. So knock it off with the Obama is disrespectful
stuff. It's bunk.


A president and CIC choosing not to salute a soldier in his command,
medal winner or not, displays arrogant disrespect if not contempt.

This isn't about a vague "hope and change" political slogan or party
politics, it's about the arrogant, oafish and inappropriate behavior
in this instance of the man who is currently our elected civilian CIC
of our men and women in uniform, who deploys them into mortal combat
as CIC.

The buck stops on the desk in the oval office.


Well, I just happened to see a rerun of the president giving the guy his
award. Obama shook his hand, put the medal around his neck, and gave him
a little hug. Nothing out of line there in the least. You really have to
want to find fault to criticize him in this case. Which is exactly what
you did. Your criticism is as petty as it gets. It was simple
bitchiness, completely political in nature. Obama did nothing wrong, period!

You might have instead found fault with the medal being given at all if
you ask me. Try placing this award in line with some of the others given
over the years. You'll find that this is really nothing more than a
bronze star event at most. I'd say that this was a case where the
military was trying to find someone to pin the medal on. Read what John
Basilone did on Guadalcanal and compare it to SGT. Giunta. I know the
sergeant doesn't feel he deserved that medal. I'd say he's right. So
maybe Obama knew that the guy didn't deserve the medal in the first
place and that is why he didn't salute him.

Hawke

On 12/2/2010 11:54 AM, rangerssuck wrote:
On Dec 2, 10:18 am, "Michael A.
wrote:
Bill Noble wrote:

Up yours, you spamming asshole.


Geeze, Michael - "Buddy can fill the entire internet with anti-Obama
posts, true or false, and that's perfectly OK with you. But Bill
writes a paragraph or two with which you disagree and he's a "spamming
asshole."

That's certainly an interesting take on freedom of speech.

Just sayin'


No that's just how right wingers roll. They have their own set of rules.
They're special. Just ask them.

Hawke

On 12/3/2010 7:55 AM, Lewis Hartswick wrote:
Larry Jaques wrote:
Can NONE of his handlers get the idea across to him that it's
undignified and downright rude NOT to do so? How many times does it
take?


I suspect they are every bit as ignorant of these things as he is.


He does seem to know how to bow to foreign dignitaries.

Sure, Arab kings he bows to (and kisses hands?). He tries to shake the
Queen of England's hand. You can't tell me that none of his
hangers-on told him about courtesy and decorum. The man thinks himself
a God, that he needs no etiquette whatsoever. It's disgusting to me to
see our President act like this.


The rest of the "free" world seems to think the same. :-)
...lew...

No, the rest of the world, there is no "free world" anymore, has a very
high opinion of our president. It's just you right wing backwoods types
that don't know that, and that have a poor view of him. But since you
preferred someone in the White House like Bush it says exactly what kind
of brain power you folks have at your disposal.

Hawke

On Dec 4, 10:11*pm, Hawke wrote:

So
it's clear that cutting taxes doesn't get anyone to hire people. What
cutting taxes for the rich does is it allows the already rich to spend a
lot more money on personal consumption.

Hawke

Wow. Fourteen posts in two days in this thread by Hawke.

First you do not seem to be able to grasp that Obama is human and can
do anything wrong. If it is tradition to salute those that receive
the Metal of Honor, then Obama should have done it.

Second you use very faulty logic. If cutting taxes for the rich
allows them to spend a lot more money on personal consumption, then
that creates a lot of jobs making the things that the rich buy. Good
example is yachts. The Democrats slapped a big tax on yachts and it
nearly wiped out all the jobs in the yacht making sector before the
Democrats realized what they had done and repealed the tax.

Third you would have a lot more credibility if you acknowledged that
all of those in Congress are human and make mistakes. You just claim
the Democrats are great and the Republicans are terrible. Remember
Senator Rangel? He just got a reprimand. For tax evasion, he should
have gotten some real punishment. Not just told he was a bad boy.

Now show that you really do have a college degree and write well
reasoned posts.

Dan

wrote in message
...
On Dec 4, 10:11 pm, Hawke wrote:

So
it's clear that cutting taxes doesn't get anyone to hire people. What
cutting taxes for the rich does is it allows the already rich to spend a
lot more money on personal consumption.

Hawke

Wow. Fourteen posts in two days in this thread by Hawke.

First you do not seem to be able to grasp that Obama is human and can
do anything wrong. If it is tradition to salute those that receive
the Metal of Honor, then Obama should have done it.

Second you use very faulty logic. If cutting taxes for the rich
allows them to spend a lot more money on personal consumption, then
that creates a lot of jobs making the things that the rich buy. Good
example is yachts. The Democrats slapped a big tax on yachts and it
nearly wiped out all the jobs in the yacht making sector before the
Democrats realized what they had done and repealed the tax.

Third you would have a lot more credibility if you acknowledged that
all of those in Congress are human and make mistakes. You just claim
the Democrats are great and the Republicans are terrible. Remember
Senator Rangel? He just got a reprimand. For tax evasion, he should
have gotten some real punishment. Not just told he was a bad boy.

Now show that you really do have a college degree and write well
reasoned posts.

Dan


Your example using yachts was very good. And let's not forget the ultra rich
Democrat politicians who repeatedly vote for raising taxes on others, as
long as *THEY* can avoid paying those taxes themselves. Even sales taxes for
example...
http://www.bostonherald.com/track/in...icleid=1269698

On 12/5/2010 4:43 AM, wrote:
On Dec 4, 10:11 pm, wrote:

So
it's clear that cutting taxes doesn't get anyone to hire people. What
cutting taxes for the rich does is it allows the already rich to spend a
lot more money on personal consumption.

Hawke

Wow. Fourteen posts in two days in this thread by Hawke.

Yeah, that must be a new record for me. Of course, it's nothing compared
to some others who shall remain nameless.


First you do not seem to be able to grasp that Obama is human and can
do anything wrong. If it is tradition to salute those that receive
the Metal of Honor, then Obama should have done it.

There's your first error. I've already said several times where I think
Obama is making mistakes. Afghanistan is a big one. Making a deal with
the republicans to give the 2% a tax cut is a mistake, which he's going
to do. So that disproves your idea I find nothing Obama does wrong.


Second you use very faulty logic. If cutting taxes for the rich
allows them to spend a lot more money on personal consumption, then
that creates a lot of jobs making the things that the rich buy. Good
example is yachts. The Democrats slapped a big tax on yachts and it
nearly wiped out all the jobs in the yacht making sector before the
Democrats realized what they had done and repealed the tax.

Wrong again. If rich women go to Nieman Marcus or Tiffany's and buy a
lot of stuff you say that creates new jobs. No way. But the fact is if
the rich keep an extra 70 billion this year because of tax cuts they
will not spend it all on consumption. Most will go to investments like
stocks, bonds, etc. A lot of it will go to investments in other parts of
the world. So the fact is that giving the rich more money is not going
to make new jobs. The yacht story is bogus too. I know all about it. How
many people, even rich ones buy a yacht? Hardly any. While it is true
that those few millionaires that bought yachts during that period bought
them overseas it doesn't change the fact that the vast percentage of the
money the rich keep doesn't create jobs.


Third you would have a lot more credibility if you acknowledged that
all of those in Congress are human and make mistakes. You just claim
the Democrats are great and the Republicans are terrible. Remember
Senator Rangel? He just got a reprimand. For tax evasion, he should
have gotten some real punishment. Not just told he was a bad boy.

Rangel got the same treatment that anyone in congress would have gotten
for what he did. They make their own rules. If he is guilty of tax
evasion he's just as liable for it as you or I. That's an IRS matter not
a congressional one. The truth is most of what he was accused of was
very trivial stuff. He was guilty and was penalized for it. When a
Democrat does something wrong I am not any less glad to see them pay for
it. I'm not a Democrat. Anyone in a position in congress who breaks the
rules should pay the price. It's just that the republicans are the ones
usually doing the bad things. Don't bother to bring up congressman
Jefferson, of the money in the freezer, because he's in jail. Which he
deserved. But how about David Vitter, senator of Louisiana who got no
punishment for consorting with prostitutes?

Now show that you really do have a college degree and write well
reasoned posts.

I always do. But I also keep my audience in mind too. I'm not in a
classroom. This is an informal situation. So I write with the knowledge
that lots of people in this newsgroup don't know a damn thing about the
subject at hand.

Hawke

On Dec 6, 6:47*pm, Hawke wrote:

Wow. *Fourteen posts in two days in this thread by Hawke.

Yeah, that must be a new record for me. Of course, it's nothing compared
to some others who shall remain nameless.

I do not read a lot of what gets posted here. What some people post
is not worth reading. But I do read your posts.

First you do not seem to be able to grasp that Obama is human and can
do anything wrong. *If it is tradition to salute those that receive
the Metal of Honor, then Obama should have done it.

There's your first error. I've already said several times where I think
Obama is making mistakes. Afghanistan is a big one. Making a deal with
the republicans to give the 2% a tax cut is a mistake, which he's going
to do. So that disproves your idea I find nothing Obama does wrong.

You are right. I should have said " In this instance ..... "


Wrong again. .................................................. ............... it doesn't change the fact that the vast percentage of the
money the rich keep doesn't create jobs.

If they spend the money, it creates jobs. If they invest the money,
it creates jobs.
If they stick the money in a mattress, it does not create jobs.

Now show that you really do have a college degree and write well
reasoned posts.

I always do. But I also keep my audience in mind too. I'm not in a
classroom. This is an informal situation. So I write with the knowledge
that lots of people in this newsgroup don't know a damn thing about the
subject at hand.

True, there are some idiots posting here, but you can do better.

Dan

On 12/7/2010 6:12 AM, wrote:

You are right. I should have said " In this instance ..... "


Wrong again. .................................................. .............. it doesn't change the fact that the vast percentage of the
money the rich keep doesn't create jobs.

If they spend the money, it creates jobs. If they invest the money,
it creates jobs.
If they stick the money in a mattress, it does not create jobs.

You're right on both counts. Putting money in the mattress doesn't
create jobs. Buying products and services and investing does. But it
doesn't create very many jobs, which was my real point. We lost 8
million jobs so we need to create a lot of jobs. The number of jobs
created by the frivolous spending of the rich isn't going to cut it. We
need to create 250-300 thousand jobs a month. We need to find a way to
get businesses to create jobs on this scale. It'll never happen by
giving tons of money to the rich in tax cuts, especially when it's money
that we will need to borrow from the Chinese. So, that is what I meant.




Now show that you really do have a college degree and write well
reasoned posts.

I always do. But I also keep my audience in mind too. I'm not in a
classroom. This is an informal situation. So I write with the knowledge
that lots of people in this newsgroup don't know a damn thing about the
subject at hand.

True, there are some idiots posting here, but you can do better.


That's true but at times all of us get frustrated and write things that
we later regret. Well, maybe not all of us. You need a conscience for
that and some people here surely are lacking one of those. You can
probably think of a few names that come to mind right off the bat.

Hawke

Hawke wrote:

On 12/2/2010 4:19 PM, Wes wrote:
Larry wrote:

P.S: Will somebody clue in Too-Much-Toluene that he's in my twit
filters already. I think this is his third or fourth email addy to go
in there, and it was instituted as soon as I saw his second post.
Life's too short to suffer fools.

Did he get out of the halfway house? At least my filters are still kill filing him.

Wes

Kill files are for pussies and weaklings. No wonder all you right
wingers are so fond of them.

Hawke

What a potty mouth. Yours just marks it read. TMT is on hard kill. Did you want an
upgrade?

Wes

On Thu, 09 Dec 2010 16:46:48 -0500, Wes
wrote:

Hawke wrote:

On 12/2/2010 4:19 PM, Wes wrote:
Larry wrote:

P.S: Will somebody clue in Too-Much-Toluene that he's in my twit
filters already. I think this is his third or fourth email addy to go
in there, and it was instituted as soon as I saw his second post.
Life's too short to suffer fools.

Did he get out of the halfway house? At least my filters are still kill filing him.

Wes

Kill files are for pussies and weaklings. No wonder all you right
wingers are so fond of them.

Hawke

Parakeet, when it keeps us from having to read the crap you and your
mindless liberal friends write, kill filters are godsent. NO reply
necessary as you're filtered otherwise.


What a potty mouth. Yours just marks it read. TMT is on hard kill. Did you want an
upgrade?

For ALL OUR SAKES, will -all- of you please do that right now? Just
stop replying to all the fookin' spammers and trolls. They're only
here to push your buttons.

--
Invest in America: Buy a CONgresscritter today!

On Dec 9, 5:11*pm, Larry Jaques wrote:

For ALL OUR SAKES, will -all- of you please do that right now? *Just
stop replying to all the fookin' spammers and trolls. They're only
here to push your buttons.

I don't know if you'll see this, as I am probably in your killfile,
but...

Are you suggesting that, "for ALL OUR SAKES," everyone on the right
killfile everyone on the left, or are you suggesting that everyone (on
both sides of the aisle) stick to metalworking topics?

"Wes" wrote in message
...
Hawke wrote:

On 12/2/2010 4:19 PM, Wes wrote:
Larry wrote:

P.S: Will somebody clue in Too-Much-Toluene that he's in my twit
filters already. I think this is his third or fourth email addy to go
in there, and it was instituted as soon as I saw his second post.
Life's too short to suffer fools.

Did he get out of the halfway house? At least my filters are still kill
filing him.

Wes

Kill files are for pussies and weaklings. No wonder all you right
wingers are so fond of them.

Hawke

What a potty mouth. Yours just marks it read. TMT is on hard kill. Did
you want an
upgrade?

Wes

I'm sure he's shaking in his boots. Keep your ghey killfile choices to
yourself.

On 12/9/2010 1:46 PM, Wes wrote:

Kill files are for pussies and weaklings. No wonder all you right
wingers are so fond of them.

Hawke

What a potty mouth. Yours just marks it read. TMT is on hard kill. Did you want an
upgrade?

Wes


Hey Wes, if you consider words like weakling and pussy to be a "potty
mouth" then you really are a ...wait for it, pussy.


Hawke

On 12/9/2010 2:31 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
On Dec 9, 5:11 pm, Larry wrote:

For ALL OUR SAKES, will -all- of you please do that right now? Just
stop replying to all the fookin' spammers and trolls. They're only
here to push your buttons.

I don't know if you'll see this, as I am probably in your killfile,
but...

Are you suggesting that, "for ALL OUR SAKES," everyone on the right
killfile everyone on the left, or are you suggesting that everyone (on
both sides of the aisle) stick to metalworking topics?


Larry's problem is that he has no idea that he's one of the kooks and
loons around here. He likes to think he's so right on and everyone else
is the problem. Somebody needs to hold up a mirror for him one of these
days. He's also a wimp that can't take hearing views that he doesn't
like. If you don't agree with his right wing take on things he doesn't
want to hear anything from you. You know the type, they call them closed
minded. That's Larry old, old fashioned, and closed minded. What a
combo, huh? Who wants to hear from someone like that?

Hawke

"Hawke" wrote in message
...
On 12/9/2010 2:31 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
On Dec 9, 5:11 pm, Larry wrote:

For ALL OUR SAKES, will -all- of you please do that right now? Just
stop replying to all the fookin' spammers and trolls. They're only
here to push your buttons.

I don't know if you'll see this, as I am probably in your killfile,
but...

Are you suggesting that, "for ALL OUR SAKES," everyone on the right
killfile everyone on the left, or are you suggesting that everyone (on
both sides of the aisle) stick to metalworking topics?


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