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I finally visited Wal-Mart and bought two timers. I want to run the
skimmer off of one timer, and aerator (fishtank style air pump) on
another timer.

My question is, do I need a stone on the aerator, or not. I am
concerned that the stone will eventually become plugged by coolant
residue. If bubbling water without a stone is a little less efficient,
I do not think that I care too much.

Any thoughts on this?

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I finally visited Wal-Mart and bought two timers. I want to run the
skimmer off of one timer, and aerator (fishtank style air pump) on
another timer.

My question is, do I need a stone on the aerator, or not. I am
concerned that the stone will eventually become plugged by coolant
residue. If bubbling water without a stone is a little less efficient,
I do not think that I care too much.

Any thoughts on this?

i

I just wrapped a bit of wire around the end of the hose to make it
sink and tossed it in the back corner of the sump, no stone.

its been a few, well several, years. Still works.

karl

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I finally visited Wal-Mart and bought two timers. I want to run the
skimmer off of one timer, and aerator (fishtank style air pump) on
another timer.

My question is, do I need a stone on the aerator, or not. I am
concerned that the stone will eventually become plugged by coolant
residue. If bubbling water without a stone is a little less efficient,
I do not think that I care too much.

Any thoughts on this?

i


Ayup..you really need the stone to make the bubbles as fine as possible.

And they are dirt cheap so you can replace one every couple years out of
pocket change


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or got lucky is never going to help 'the poor.' Poverty isn't
caused by some people having more money than others, just as obesity
isn't caused by McDonald's serving super-sized orders of French fries
Poverty, like obesity, is caused by the life choices that dictate
results." - John Tucci,
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On 2010-11-22, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 21 Nov 2010 23:14:38 -0600, Ignoramus18625
wrote:

I finally visited Wal-Mart and bought two timers. I want to run the
skimmer off of one timer, and aerator (fishtank style air pump) on
another timer.

My question is, do I need a stone on the aerator, or not. I am
concerned that the stone will eventually become plugged by coolant
residue. If bubbling water without a stone is a little less efficient,
I do not think that I care too much.

Any thoughts on this?

i


Ayup..you really need the stone to make the bubbles as fine as possible.

And they are dirt cheap so you can replace one every couple years out of
pocket change



OK... hopefully tonight I will finish this... will also add a farm and
fleet water heater to prevent freezing... thanks

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I finally visited Wal-Mart and bought two timers. I want to run the
skimmer off of one timer, and aerator (fishtank style air pump) on
another timer.

My question is, do I need a stone on the aerator, or not. I am
concerned that the stone will eventually become plugged by coolant
residue. If bubbling water without a stone is a little less efficient,
I do not think that I care too much.

Any thoughts on this?

i


Do the math, ig. Finer bubbles make for more surface area to transfer
gases. I use a stone when aerating my wort (beer cooked in the first phase)
with oxygen. It helps the yeast to work better. What are you aerating
coolant for?

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I finally visited Wal-Mart and bought two timers. I want to run the
skimmer off of one timer, and aerator (fishtank style air pump) on
another timer.

My question is, do I need a stone on the aerator, or not. I am
concerned that the stone will eventually become plugged by coolant
residue. If bubbling water without a stone is a little less
efficient, I do not think that I care too much.

Any thoughts on this?

i


Do the math, ig. Finer bubbles make for more surface area to transfer
gases. I use a stone when aerating my wort (beer cooked in the first
phase) with oxygen. It helps the yeast to work better. What are you
aerating coolant for?

Steve

I thought you were supposed to use an airlock , that the fermentation was
anaerobic . Shows what I know !
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didn't particularly like "chewy" beer , so never made any more .
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Ignoramus18625 wrote:
I finally visited Wal-Mart and bought two timers. I want to run the
skimmer off of one timer, and aerator (fishtank style air pump) on
another timer.

My question is, do I need a stone on the aerator, or not. I am
concerned that the stone will eventually become plugged by coolant
residue. If bubbling water without a stone is a little less efficient,
I do not think that I care too much.

Any thoughts on this?

i


I think a piece of tubing with very small holes laid in the bottom will give
you better results than a stone . Put the holes on the underside .

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I finally visited Wal-Mart and bought two timers. I want to run the
skimmer off of one timer, and aerator (fishtank style air pump) on
another timer.

My question is, do I need a stone on the aerator, or not. I am
concerned that the stone will eventually become plugged by coolant
residue. If bubbling water without a stone is a little less efficient,
I do not think that I care too much.

Any thoughts on this?

i


Do the math, ig. Finer bubbles make for more surface area to transfer
gases. I use a stone when aerating my wort (beer cooked in the first phase)
with oxygen. It helps the yeast to work better. What are you aerating
coolant for?


My thinking was just the opposite. Its in the back corner of the sump
with its main job to push oil to the skimmer. No way to see if the
stone plugs, and it will. If your stone plugs and you don't catch it,
you're in for a totally awful job of cleaning a putrid sump.

Always more than one way to skin a cat.

Karl

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On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 21:23:22 -0800, "Steve B"
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om...
I finally visited Wal-Mart and bought two timers. I want to run the
skimmer off of one timer, and aerator (fishtank style air pump) on
another timer.

My question is, do I need a stone on the aerator, or not. I am
concerned that the stone will eventually become plugged by coolant
residue. If bubbling water without a stone is a little less efficient,
I do not think that I care too much.

Any thoughts on this?

i


Do the math, ig. Finer bubbles make for more surface area to transfer
gases. I use a stone when aerating my wort (beer cooked in the first phase)
with oxygen. It helps the yeast to work better. What are you aerating
coolant for?


My thinking was just the opposite. Its in the back corner of the sump
with its main job to push oil to the skimmer. No way to see if the
stone plugs, and it will. If your stone plugs and you don't catch it,
you're in for a totally awful job of cleaning a putrid sump.

Always more than one way to skin a cat.

Karl


Actually...the air bubbles are to kill anerobic bacteria...bugs that
grow without Oxygen and when they die..the sludge that is left behind
breaks down easily enough.

But maybe Im wrong?

Gunner

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or got lucky is never going to help 'the poor.' Poverty isn't
caused by some people having more money than others, just as obesity
isn't caused by McDonald's serving super-sized orders of French fries
Poverty, like obesity, is caused by the life choices that dictate
results." - John Tucci,
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On 2010-11-23, Steve B wrote:

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I finally visited Wal-Mart and bought two timers. I want to run the
skimmer off of one timer, and aerator (fishtank style air pump) on
another timer.

My question is, do I need a stone on the aerator, or not. I am
concerned that the stone will eventually become plugged by coolant
residue. If bubbling water without a stone is a little less efficient,
I do not think that I care too much.

Any thoughts on this?

i


Do the math, ig. Finer bubbles make for more surface area to transfer
gases. I use a stone when aerating my wort (beer cooked in the first phase)
with oxygen. It helps the yeast to work better. What are you aerating
coolant for?


If coolant is left without air, then anaerobic bacteria turn it into
a nasty mess. It stinks, causes allergies and other diseases. The oil
forms clumps and clogs coolant lines, etc.

Anyway, as of last night, I have two timers controlling the aerator
and the skimmer. Each can be controlled in 30 minute intervals. I am
not yet sure what is the best approach as to when to schedule what, I
scheduled various things and I will re-evaluate it later.

As of now, I have 99.8% of oil removed, the coolant is nice and milky
etc.

I think that 30 minutes per day or aeration and skimming ought to be
enough to my level of use. The coolant that I have, is very good stuff
and should last a long time if I add water from time to time.

i


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On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 21:23:22 -0800, "Steve B"
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"Ignoramus18625" wrote in message
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I finally visited Wal-Mart and bought two timers. I want to run the
skimmer off of one timer, and aerator (fishtank style air pump) on
another timer.

My question is, do I need a stone on the aerator, or not. I am
concerned that the stone will eventually become plugged by coolant
residue. If bubbling water without a stone is a little less efficient,
I do not think that I care too much.

Any thoughts on this?

i

Do the math, ig. Finer bubbles make for more surface area to transfer
gases. I use a stone when aerating my wort (beer cooked in the first phase)
with oxygen. It helps the yeast to work better. What are you aerating
coolant for?


My thinking was just the opposite. Its in the back corner of the sump
with its main job to push oil to the skimmer. No way to see if the
stone plugs, and it will. If your stone plugs and you don't catch it,
you're in for a totally awful job of cleaning a putrid sump.

Always more than one way to skin a cat.

Karl


Actually...the air bubbles are to kill anerobic bacteria...bugs that
grow without Oxygen and when they die..the sludge that is left behind
breaks down easily enough.

But maybe Im wrong?

Gunner


yea, but the question is how much O2 do you need? My guess is a clean
surface (no tramp oil) and the coarse bubbles are enough. No question
a stone would put more O2 per unit run time while it works. I
haven't done an academic study on it. There should be government funds
from Obama for a federal program on this VBG

Karl

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On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 08:43:49 -0800, Gunner Asch
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 07:39:15 -0600, Karl Townsend
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 21:23:22 -0800, "Steve B"
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"Ignoramus18625" wrote in message
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I finally visited Wal-Mart and bought two timers. I want to run the
skimmer off of one timer, and aerator (fishtank style air pump) on
another timer.

My question is, do I need a stone on the aerator, or not. I am
concerned that the stone will eventually become plugged by coolant
residue. If bubbling water without a stone is a little less efficient,
I do not think that I care too much.

Any thoughts on this?

i

Do the math, ig. Finer bubbles make for more surface area to transfer
gases. I use a stone when aerating my wort (beer cooked in the first phase)
with oxygen. It helps the yeast to work better. What are you aerating
coolant for?

My thinking was just the opposite. Its in the back corner of the sump
with its main job to push oil to the skimmer. No way to see if the
stone plugs, and it will. If your stone plugs and you don't catch it,
you're in for a totally awful job of cleaning a putrid sump.

Always more than one way to skin a cat.

Karl


Actually...the air bubbles are to kill anerobic bacteria...bugs that
grow without Oxygen and when they die..the sludge that is left behind
breaks down easily enough.

But maybe Im wrong?

Gunner


yea, but the question is how much O2 do you need? My guess is a clean
surface (no tramp oil) and the coarse bubbles are enough. No question
a stone would put more O2 per unit run time while it works. I
haven't done an academic study on it. There should be government funds
from Obama for a federal program on this VBG

Karl


Oh hell yes!

Kin I be listed as a co-author?

This should net us a $100k each at the least!!!!

Gunner

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or got lucky is never going to help 'the poor.' Poverty isn't
caused by some people having more money than others, just as obesity
isn't caused by McDonald's serving super-sized orders of French fries
Poverty, like obesity, is caused by the life choices that dictate
results." - John Tucci,
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On 2010-11-23, Steve B wrote:

"Ignoramus18625" wrote in message
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I finally visited Wal-Mart and bought two timers. I want to run the
skimmer off of one timer, and aerator (fishtank style air pump) on
another timer.

My question is, do I need a stone on the aerator, or not. I am
concerned that the stone will eventually become plugged by coolant
residue. If bubbling water without a stone is a little less efficient,
I do not think that I care too much.

Any thoughts on this?

i


Do the math, ig. Finer bubbles make for more surface area to transfer
gases. I use a stone when aerating my wort (beer cooked in the first
phase)
with oxygen. It helps the yeast to work better. What are you aerating
coolant for?


If coolant is left without air, then anaerobic bacteria turn it into
a nasty mess. It stinks, causes allergies and other diseases. The oil
forms clumps and clogs coolant lines, etc.

Anyway, as of last night, I have two timers controlling the aerator
and the skimmer. Each can be controlled in 30 minute intervals. I am
not yet sure what is the best approach as to when to schedule what, I
scheduled various things and I will re-evaluate it later.

As of now, I have 99.8% of oil removed, the coolant is nice and milky
etc.

I think that 30 minutes per day or aeration and skimming ought to be
enough to my level of use. The coolant that I have, is very good stuff
and should last a long time if I add water from time to time.

i


Are you guys talking about TIG coolant? I am not familiar with a "sump".

Steve


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On 2010-11-23, Steve B wrote:

"Ignoramus18625" wrote in
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I finally visited Wal-Mart and bought two timers. I want to run the
skimmer off of one timer, and aerator (fishtank style air pump) on
another timer.

My question is, do I need a stone on the aerator, or not. I am
concerned that the stone will eventually become plugged by coolant
residue. If bubbling water without a stone is a little less
efficient, I do not think that I care too much.

Any thoughts on this?

i

Do the math, ig. Finer bubbles make for more surface area to
transfer gases. I use a stone when aerating my wort (beer cooked
in the first phase)
with oxygen. It helps the yeast to work better. What are you
aerating coolant for?


If coolant is left without air, then anaerobic bacteria turn it into
a nasty mess. It stinks, causes allergies and other diseases. The oil
forms clumps and clogs coolant lines, etc.

Anyway, as of last night, I have two timers controlling the aerator
and the skimmer. Each can be controlled in 30 minute intervals. I am
not yet sure what is the best approach as to when to schedule what, I
scheduled various things and I will re-evaluate it later.

As of now, I have 99.8% of oil removed, the coolant is nice and milky
etc.

I think that 30 minutes per day or aeration and skimming ought to be
enough to my level of use. The coolant that I have, is very good
stuff and should last a long time if I add water from time to time.

i


Are you guys talking about TIG coolant? I am not familiar with a
"sump".
Steve


Milling machine .

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On 2010-11-23, Steve B wrote:

"Ignoramus18625" wrote in
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I finally visited Wal-Mart and bought two timers. I want to run the
skimmer off of one timer, and aerator (fishtank style air pump) on
another timer.

My question is, do I need a stone on the aerator, or not. I am
concerned that the stone will eventually become plugged by coolant
residue. If bubbling water without a stone is a little less
efficient, I do not think that I care too much.

Any thoughts on this?

i

Do the math, ig. Finer bubbles make for more surface area to
transfer gases. I use a stone when aerating my wort (beer cooked
in the first phase)
with oxygen. It helps the yeast to work better. What are you
aerating coolant for?

If coolant is left without air, then anaerobic bacteria turn it into
a nasty mess. It stinks, causes allergies and other diseases. The oil
forms clumps and clogs coolant lines, etc.

Anyway, as of last night, I have two timers controlling the aerator
and the skimmer. Each can be controlled in 30 minute intervals. I am
not yet sure what is the best approach as to when to schedule what, I
scheduled various things and I will re-evaluate it later.

As of now, I have 99.8% of oil removed, the coolant is nice and milky
etc.

I think that 30 minutes per day or aeration and skimming ought to be
enough to my level of use. The coolant that I have, is very good
stuff and should last a long time if I add water from time to time.

i


Are you guys talking about TIG coolant? I am not familiar with a
"sump".
Steve


Milling machine .

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Gotcha. Not in my pay grade. Now it makes sense. Thanks.

Steve




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On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 08:43:49 -0800, Gunner Asch
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 07:39:15 -0600, Karl Townsend
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 21:23:22 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote:


"Ignoramus18625" wrote in message
news:buqdnbxQ9vWjYXTRnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@giganew s.com...
I finally visited Wal-Mart and bought two timers. I want to run the
skimmer off of one timer, and aerator (fishtank style air pump) on
another timer.

My question is, do I need a stone on the aerator, or not. I am
concerned that the stone will eventually become plugged by coolant
residue. If bubbling water without a stone is a little less efficient,
I do not think that I care too much.

Any thoughts on this?

i

Do the math, ig. Finer bubbles make for more surface area to transfer
gases. I use a stone when aerating my wort (beer cooked in the first phase)
with oxygen. It helps the yeast to work better. What are you aerating
coolant for?

My thinking was just the opposite. Its in the back corner of the sump
with its main job to push oil to the skimmer. No way to see if the
stone plugs, and it will. If your stone plugs and you don't catch it,
you're in for a totally awful job of cleaning a putrid sump.

Always more than one way to skin a cat.

Karl

Actually...the air bubbles are to kill anerobic bacteria...bugs that
grow without Oxygen and when they die..the sludge that is left behind
breaks down easily enough.

But maybe Im wrong?

Gunner


yea, but the question is how much O2 do you need? My guess is a clean
surface (no tramp oil) and the coarse bubbles are enough. No question
a stone would put more O2 per unit run time while it works. I
haven't done an academic study on it. There should be government funds
from Obama for a federal program on this VBG

Karl


Oh hell yes!

Kin I be listed as a co-author?

This should net us a $100k each at the least!!!!


Do not forget to look into the implications for Global Warming,
Green Technologies, and combating carbon dioxide.


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Are you guys talking about TIG coolant? I am not familiar with a "sump".

Steve


No, cutting fluid for the milling machine. It is a "milk" made of
water and concentrate that prevents rust, cools cutting bits,
lubricates the point of cutting. The "sump" is a tub in the bottom
of the mill where the fluid collects. It also is a point where tramp
way oil collects, which causes problems with lack of oxygen and
anaerobic bacteria.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutting_fluid
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Gunner Asch on Tue, 23 Nov 2010 13:04:05 -0800
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 11:32:42 -0600, Karl Townsend
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 08:43:49 -0800, Gunner Asch
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 07:39:15 -0600, Karl Townsend
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 21:23:22 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote:


"Ignoramus18625" wrote in message
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I finally visited Wal-Mart and bought two timers. I want to run the
skimmer off of one timer, and aerator (fishtank style air pump) on
another timer.

My question is, do I need a stone on the aerator, or not. I am
concerned that the stone will eventually become plugged by coolant
residue. If bubbling water without a stone is a little less efficient,
I do not think that I care too much.

Any thoughts on this?

i

Do the math, ig. Finer bubbles make for more surface area to transfer
gases. I use a stone when aerating my wort (beer cooked in the first phase)
with oxygen. It helps the yeast to work better. What are you aerating
coolant for?

My thinking was just the opposite. Its in the back corner of the sump
with its main job to push oil to the skimmer. No way to see if the
stone plugs, and it will. If your stone plugs and you don't catch it,
you're in for a totally awful job of cleaning a putrid sump.

Always more than one way to skin a cat.

Karl

Actually...the air bubbles are to kill anerobic bacteria...bugs that
grow without Oxygen and when they die..the sludge that is left behind
breaks down easily enough.

But maybe Im wrong?

Gunner

yea, but the question is how much O2 do you need? My guess is a clean
surface (no tramp oil) and the coarse bubbles are enough. No question
a stone would put more O2 per unit run time while it works. I
haven't done an academic study on it. There should be government funds
from Obama for a federal program on this VBG

Karl


Oh hell yes!

Kin I be listed as a co-author?

This should net us a $100k each at the least!!!!


Do not forget to look into the implications for Global Warming,
Green Technologies, and combating carbon dioxide.


tschus
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caused by some people having more money than others, just as obesity
isn't caused by McDonald's serving super-sized orders of French fries
Poverty, like obesity, is caused by the life choices that dictate
results." - John Tucci,
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On 2010-11-23, Steve B wrote:


Are you guys talking about TIG coolant? I am not familiar with a "sump".

Steve


No, cutting fluid for the milling machine. It is a "milk" made of
water and concentrate that prevents rust, cools cutting bits,
lubricates the point of cutting. The "sump" is a tub in the bottom
of the mill where the fluid collects. It also is a point where tramp
way oil collects, which causes problems with lack of oxygen and
anaerobic bacteria.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutting_fluid


I wasn't getting it, but understand now. I'd add a little green food
coloring, and market it as Mean Green, the Planet Friendly Coolant. You can
use the name, just remember me every Christmas with a card and some "real"
green.

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Gunner Asch on Tue, 23 Nov 2010 13:04:05 -0800
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 08:43:49 -0800, Gunner Asch
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 07:39:15 -0600, Karl Townsend
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 21:23:22 -0800, "Steve B"
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I finally visited Wal-Mart and bought two timers. I want to run the
skimmer off of one timer, and aerator (fishtank style air pump) on
another timer.

My question is, do I need a stone on the aerator, or not. I am
concerned that the stone will eventually become plugged by coolant
residue. If bubbling water without a stone is a little less efficient,
I do not think that I care too much.

Any thoughts on this?

i

Do the math, ig. Finer bubbles make for more surface area to transfer
gases. I use a stone when aerating my wort (beer cooked in the first phase)
with oxygen. It helps the yeast to work better. What are you aerating
coolant for?

My thinking was just the opposite. Its in the back corner of the sump
with its main job to push oil to the skimmer. No way to see if the
stone plugs, and it will. If your stone plugs and you don't catch it,
you're in for a totally awful job of cleaning a putrid sump.

Always more than one way to skin a cat.

Karl

Actually...the air bubbles are to kill anerobic bacteria...bugs that
grow without Oxygen and when they die..the sludge that is left behind
breaks down easily enough.

But maybe Im wrong?

Gunner

yea, but the question is how much O2 do you need? My guess is a clean
surface (no tramp oil) and the coarse bubbles are enough. No question
a stone would put more O2 per unit run time while it works. I
haven't done an academic study on it. There should be government funds
from Obama for a federal program on this VBG

Karl

Oh hell yes!

Kin I be listed as a co-author?

This should net us a $100k each at the least!!!!


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Green Technologies, and combating carbon dioxide.


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"You're looking at the Chief of Protocol for the Human Delegation"
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That sounds too much like something you'd hear at Callahan's...


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My question is, do I need a stone on the aerator, or not. I am
concerned that the stone will eventually become plugged by coolant
residue. If bubbling water without a stone is a little less efficient,
I do not think that I care too much.

Any thoughts on this?

i


No experience on this. But if you ran the aerator continuously the
coolant would never get inside the stone, so the stone should never
get plugged by coolant residue.

If the stone does get plugged with coolant residue, would soaking the
stone in vinegar unplug it?

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If the stone does get plugged with coolant residue, would soaking the
stone in vinegar unplug it?


Unless it clogged rapidly, I'd just replace it. Hell! Those things are
about $0.30 at ChinaMart.

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On Sun, 21 Nov 2010 23:14:38 -0600, Ignoramus18625
wrote:

I finally visited Wal-Mart and bought two timers. I want to run the
skimmer off of one timer, and aerator (fishtank style air pump) on
another timer.

My question is, do I need a stone on the aerator, or not. I am
concerned that the stone will eventually become plugged by coolant
residue. If bubbling water without a stone is a little less efficient,
I do not think that I care too much.

Any thoughts on this?

i


A stone will make the aeration work better. It won't plug up in a milling
machine sump. They tend to clog in some compartments of my surface grinder
clarifier because the get buried under the settled out grit and grinding dust.

If you get a stone, get a larger one, the small ones have a tendency to float,
then you end up threading 3/4" nuts on the pipe to make them sink. DAMHIKT

The plastic air hose tends to go hard, die to the plasticisers leaching out
into the coolant. This is only a problem if you make later modifications.
Then, new hose is simpler than working with the old stuff.

Mark Rand
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Gunner Asch on Tue, 23 Nov 2010 17:02:30 -0800
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Your in! Wanna be the Front Man?



"You're looking at the Chief of Protocol for the Human Delegation"
"Honest?"
"Not really, but it pays the bills."


That sounds too much like something you'd hear at Callahan's...


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