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?Even the most law-abiding driver might feel a shiver down the spine when
spotting this speed camera at the roadside. For as well as detecting speeding, it is packed with gizmos that check number plates to make sure insurance and tax are up to date. It also measures the distance between vehicles to spot tailgating and takes pictures of the inside of the car - to make sure you are wearing a seat belt. It is the first to detect multiple offences at the same time and is connected to police computers via satellite, so that prosecutions can be started within seconds of any offence. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...-seatbelt.html Kool, just debit the the vehicles owners bank acoount. I can see cash straped states in the US importing these little money makers. Best Regards Tom. |
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: ?Even the most law-abiding driver might feel a shiver down the spine when spotting this speed camera at the roadside. For as well as detecting speeding, it is packed with gizmos that check number plates to make sure insurance and tax are up to date. It also measures the distance between vehicles to spot tailgating and takes pictures of the inside of the car - to make sure you are wearing a seat belt. It is the first to detect multiple offences at the same time and is connected to police computers via satellite, so that prosecutions can be started within seconds of any offence. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...eed-camera-che cks-insurance-tax-wearing-seatbelt.html Kool, just debit the the vehicles owners bank acoount. I can see cash straped states in the US importing these little money makers. Don't laugh. Switzerland had speed trap cameras as far back as 1980. Because the goverment ran the phones, they would take your picture, send you a copy & add the amount of the ticket to your phone bill. The Swiss live in a (so far) benevolent poice state, and the people there are very law abiding. I visited over the holidays, and would take my host's dog for a walk along a suburban highway. 2 miles out on one side & 2 miles back, and I saw 4 pieces of litter. You can't go 50 feet along a similar road in this country without seeing more trash. Doug White |
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On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 13:15:47 GMT, Doug White
wrote: "azotic" wrote in : ?Even the most law-abiding driver might feel a shiver down the spine when spotting this speed camera at the roadside. For as well as detecting speeding, it is packed with gizmos that check number plates to make sure insurance and tax are up to date. It also measures the distance between vehicles to spot tailgating and takes pictures of the inside of the car - to make sure you are wearing a seat belt. It is the first to detect multiple offences at the same time and is connected to police computers via satellite, so that prosecutions can be started within seconds of any offence. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...eed-camera-che cks-insurance-tax-wearing-seatbelt.html Kool, just debit the the vehicles owners bank acoount. I can see cash straped states in the US importing these little money makers. Don't laugh. Switzerland had speed trap cameras as far back as 1980. Because the goverment ran the phones, they would take your picture, send you a copy & add the amount of the ticket to your phone bill. The Swiss live in a (so far) benevolent poice state, and the people there are very law abiding. I visited over the holidays, and would take my host's dog for a walk along a suburban highway. 2 miles out on one side & 2 miles back, and I saw 4 pieces of litter. You can't go 50 feet along a similar road in this country without seeing more trash. Doug White That must depend on what part of the country. I can walk a mile along a road in central MN without seeing any litter. |
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Don Foreman wrote:
That must depend on what part of the country. I can walk a mile along a road in central MN without seeing any litter. Our roads are pretty clean here as well. A lot of the credit goes to the local sheriff, which utilizes a "road crew" of people found guilty of certain crimes (mostly minor drug offenses, or shoplifters). They get sentenced to hundreds of hours of what is termed "community service", which translates into a year or half year of weekend work on the side of the highway picking up trash. Gives them a sense of what it is like to actually contribute something, instead of taking. Jon |
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The device should have cameras facing all directions, to catch the
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The device should have cameras facing all directions, to catch the people sneaking up on it with a baseball bat G. Bob In New South Wales Australia we have had speed cameras for many years but recently "they" have been installing these multi function cameras in place of what used to be simple Red Light cameras. Most of the old speed cameras already have seperate picture cameras mounted away and higher to catch vandals. "They" are talking of introducing "avaerge speed" cameras on some country roads to catch you if your journey time is too quick. -- John G |
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On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 02:02:10 -0800, "azotic" wrote:
?Even the most law-abiding driver might feel a shiver down the spine when spotting this speed camera at the roadside. For as well as detecting speeding, it is packed with gizmos that check number plates to make sure insurance and tax are up to date. It also measures the distance between vehicles to spot tailgating and takes pictures of the inside of the car - to make sure you are wearing a seat belt. It is the first to detect multiple offences at the same time and is connected to police computers via satellite, so that prosecutions can be started within seconds of any offence. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...-seatbelt.html Kool, just debit the the vehicles owners bank acoount. I can see cash straped states in the US importing these little money makers. Best Regards Tom. Now the big question..are they bullet proof, and proof against having 5 gallons of gasoline dumped on them and after a reasonable amount of time..having a railroad flare tossed on top? Gunner -- "Confiscating wealth from those who have earned it, inherited it, or got lucky is never going to help 'the poor.' Poverty isn't caused by some people having more money than others, just as obesity isn't caused by McDonald's serving super-sized orders of French fries Poverty, like obesity, is caused by the life choices that dictate results." - John Tucci, |
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"Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 02:02:10 -0800, "azotic" wrote: ?Even the most law-abiding driver might feel a shiver down the spine when spotting this speed camera at the roadside. For as well as detecting speeding, it is packed with gizmos that check number plates to make sure insurance and tax are up to date. It also measures the distance between vehicles to spot tailgating and takes pictures of the inside of the car - to make sure you are wearing a seat belt. It is the first to detect multiple offences at the same time and is connected to police computers via satellite, so that prosecutions can be started within seconds of any offence. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...-seatbelt.html Kool, just debit the the vehicles owners bank acoount. I can see cash straped states in the US importing these little money makers. Best Regards Tom. Now the big question..are they bullet proof, and proof against having 5 gallons of gasoline dumped on them and after a reasonable amount of time..having a railroad flare tossed on top? Gunner Politians will gladly replace any units that are damaged by malcontents at taxpayers expense. Stealth license plates is the way to go. Best Regards Tom. |
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Stealth license plates is the way to go. Or you could just obey the law. Jon |
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"Jon Danniken" wrote in message ... azotic wrote: Stealth license plates is the way to go. Or you could just obey the law. Jon I do obey the law. Its not illegal to to apply a protective coating on your license plates in nevada. Window tints are also legal. Best Regards Tom. |
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On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 12:39:04 +1100, John G
wrote: Bob Engelhardt explained : The device should have cameras facing all directions, to catch the people sneaking up on it with a baseball bat G. Bob In New South Wales Australia we have had speed cameras for many years but recently "they" have been installing these multi function cameras in place of what used to be simple Red Light cameras. Most of the old speed cameras already have seperate picture cameras mounted away and higher to catch vandals. "They" are talking of introducing "avaerge speed" cameras on some country roads to catch you if your journey time is too quick. The problem here being that the driver is charged not the vehicle owner. Until the owner is held responsible for the operation of his vehicle we will never have photo enforcement that will stand up in court. Gerry :-)} London, Canada |
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Gerald Miller wrote: On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 12:39:04 +1100, John G wrote: Bob Engelhardt explained : The device should have cameras facing all directions, to catch the people sneaking up on it with a baseball bat G. Bob In New South Wales Australia we have had speed cameras for many years but recently "they" have been installing these multi function cameras in place of what used to be simple Red Light cameras. Most of the old speed cameras already have seperate picture cameras mounted away and higher to catch vandals. "They" are talking of introducing "avaerge speed" cameras on some country roads to catch you if your journey time is too quick. The problem here being that the driver is charged not the vehicle owner. Until the owner is held responsible for the operation of his vehicle we will never have photo enforcement that will stand up in court. Even if it's a stolen vehicle? -- Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is enough left over to pay them. |
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On Nov 14, 12:41*am, "azotic" wrote:
?"Jon Danniken" wrote in message ... azotic wrote: *Stealth license plates is the way to go. Or you could just obey the law. Jon I do obey the law. Its not illegal to to apply a protective coating on your license plates in nevada. Window tints are also legal. Best Regards Tom. I believe Jon was referring to traffic laws. |
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On 11/13/2010 9:14 PM, Jon Danniken wrote:
Or you could just obey the law. GASP! What a shocking concept! I've spent 6 weeks total driving in NSW, with my wife constantly updating me on various laws and rules of the road, and telling me what infractions cost. And they do cost, dearly. Driving there certainly is not considered the God-Given-Right that most Americans take it for! I have to say, overall, driving in NSW is a pleasure compared to driving anywhere in California. Drivers, at least in rural NSW, appear to overwhelmingly obey traffic laws. My only gripe is during long drives on 2 lane roads to nearby towns, overtaking drivers will tailgate a car length or less at 100km/hr while waiting for an opportunity to pass. Jon |
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Jon Anderson wrote:
... Drivers, at least in rural NSW, appear to overwhelmingly obey traffic laws. ... overtaking drivers will tailgate a car length or less at 100km/hr ... So, there's no law against tailgating? G Bob |
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On 11/14/2010 11:17 AM, Bob Engelhardt wrote:
So, there's no law against tailgating? G I did say, overwhelmingly, not totally... G There's a whole lot of road between towns with little or nothing in between. Enforcement seems to focus in and just outside of towns, though one never knows where a roving speed trap might turn up. But even cops will tailgate. First week of driving there, I got 'booze bused' as Danni puts it. Just out of Coota, everyone was being pulled over to face a breathalyzer. It was the day after a national holiday, and standard practice. Guy didn't even look twice at my CA license, just pointed the working end at my mouth while I counted to five. Around last New Years here in Grass Valley, I came out of a shopping center at night, to find fire and police vehicles lining the road with lights flashing, and road cones to channel traffic. I was wide eyed wondering what sort of huge accident had occurred. First cop just asks me if I've had anything to drink, and when I say no, lets me go with a smile.... Bit of contrast there... I'm pretty sure cops need some reasonable suspicion to administer the test here. 'Booze bused' btw refers to sometimes having a van or bus setup to administer blood/alcohol tests, though it's come to refer to even the casual breathalyzer testing. Jon |
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"azotic" wrote:
It is the first to detect multiple offences at the same time and is connected to police computers via satellite, so that prosecutions can be started within seconds of any offence. I don't think that would last long here in a nation of riflemen. Wes |
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Jon Anderson wrote:
On 11/13/2010 9:14 PM, Jon Danniken wrote: Or you could just obey the law. GASP! What a shocking concept! I've spent 6 weeks total driving in NSW, with my wife constantly updating me on various laws and rules of the road, and telling me what infractions cost. And they do cost, dearly. Driving there certainly is not considered the God-Given-Right that most Americans take it for! I have to say, overall, driving in NSW is a pleasure compared to driving anywhere in California. Drivers, at least in rural NSW, appear to overwhelmingly obey traffic laws. My only gripe is during long drives on 2 lane roads to nearby towns, overtaking drivers will tailgate a car length or less at 100km/hr while waiting for an opportunity to pass. When I'm being tailgated, I slow down until the idiot tailgater passes me, gives me the finger, and heads on to wherever he's in such a hurry to crash. Cheers! Rich |
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Bob Engelhardt wrote:
Jon Anderson wrote: ... Drivers, at least in rural NSW, appear to overwhelmingly obey traffic laws. ... overtaking drivers will tailgate a car length or less at 100km/hr ... So, there's no law against tailgating? G Generally, when a tailgater rear-ends somebody, isn't it considered to be the tailgater's fault? "Gee, officer - I thought I saw a wombat run out in front of me..." Cheers! Rich |
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On 11/14/2010 1:52 PM, Rich Grise wrote:
When I'm being tailgated, I slow down until the idiot tailgater passes me, gives me the finger, and heads on to wherever he's in such a hurry to crash. Here, I do the same. There, I maintain speed until a clear spot to pass shows up, then I give them ample reason to do so. LOL, reminds me though, a year or so after getting married (the first time) the ex and I drove down I-5 for a stay at Disneyland. I was driving at 75-80 somewhere in one of the stretches of vast nothingness, in the fast lane, when a Toyota full of kids comes up on me fast. Very fast. I moved over and let them by. Some 20 minutes later, we come upon the car up on the embankment, having obviously rolled at least once. Seemed like everyone was ok, though dazed. I honked and waved as I drove by... Jon |
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Bob Engelhardt wrote:
Jon Anderson wrote: ... Drivers, at least in rural NSW, appear to overwhelmingly obey traffic laws. ... overtaking drivers will tailgate a car length or less at 100km/hr ... So, there's no law against tailgating? G Bob Actually, I believe there is... -- Richard Lamb email me: web site: www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb |
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CaveLamb expressed precisely :
Bob Engelhardt wrote: Jon Anderson wrote: ... Drivers, at least in rural NSW, appear to overwhelmingly obey traffic laws. ... overtaking drivers will tailgate a car length or less at 100km/hr ... So, there's no law against tailgating? G Bob Actually, I believe there is... From the RTA NSW web sight Tailgating penalty $344 and 3 points rule 126. -- John G |
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On 11/14/2010 5:09 PM, John G wrote:
From the RTA NSW web sight Tailgating penalty $344 and 3 points rule 126. Yeah, that's a pretty healthy penalty... I'm assuming the locals that tailgate me there, know when and where they can likely get away with such things. Tailgating is not near as common in or near towns as on the open roads between. And I should note, passing lanes there are fairly common and of sufficient length to allow many cars to pass with no drama. Jon |
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On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 08:42:36 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: Gerald Miller wrote: On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 12:39:04 +1100, John G wrote: Bob Engelhardt explained : The device should have cameras facing all directions, to catch the people sneaking up on it with a baseball bat G. Bob In New South Wales Australia we have had speed cameras for many years but recently "they" have been installing these multi function cameras in place of what used to be simple Red Light cameras. Most of the old speed cameras already have seperate picture cameras mounted away and higher to catch vandals. "They" are talking of introducing "avaerge speed" cameras on some country roads to catch you if your journey time is too quick. The problem here being that the driver is charged not the vehicle owner. Until the owner is held responsible for the operation of his vehicle we will never have photo enforcement that will stand up in court. Even if it's a stolen vehicle? Did the owner leave the key in it while he went in to pay for the fill-up? Gerry :-)} London, Canada |
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"Gerald Miller" wrote in message ... On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 08:42:36 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Gerald Miller wrote: On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 12:39:04 +1100, John G wrote: Bob Engelhardt explained : The device should have cameras facing all directions, to catch the people sneaking up on it with a baseball bat G. Bob In New South Wales Australia we have had speed cameras for many years but recently "they" have been installing these multi function cameras in place of what used to be simple Red Light cameras. Most of the old speed cameras already have seperate picture cameras mounted away and higher to catch vandals. "They" are talking of introducing "avaerge speed" cameras on some country roads to catch you if your journey time is too quick. The problem here being that the driver is charged not the vehicle owner. Until the owner is held responsible for the operation of his vehicle we will never have photo enforcement that will stand up in court. Even if it's a stolen vehicle? Did the owner leave the key in it while he went in to pay for the fill-up? Gerry :-)} London, Canada We have new stop light cameras in NY. $50 fine if you blow through a light- but no points on your license, so in essence they are handling it like a parking fine that goes against the owner of the vehicle. I think it's a bad trend that will eventually backfire. |
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"ATP" wrote in message ... "Gerald Miller" wrote in message ... On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 08:42:36 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Gerald Miller wrote: On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 12:39:04 +1100, John G wrote: Bob Engelhardt explained : The device should have cameras facing all directions, to catch the people sneaking up on it with a baseball bat G. Bob In New South Wales Australia we have had speed cameras for many years but recently "they" have been installing these multi function cameras in place of what used to be simple Red Light cameras. Most of the old speed cameras already have seperate picture cameras mounted away and higher to catch vandals. "They" are talking of introducing "avaerge speed" cameras on some country roads to catch you if your journey time is too quick. The problem here being that the driver is charged not the vehicle owner. Until the owner is held responsible for the operation of his vehicle we will never have photo enforcement that will stand up in court. Even if it's a stolen vehicle? Did the owner leave the key in it while he went in to pay for the fill-up? Gerry :-)} London, Canada We have new stop light cameras in NY. $50 fine if you blow through a light- but no points on your license, so in essence they are handling it like a parking fine that goes against the owner of the vehicle. I think it's a bad trend that will eventually backfire. The great camera cull has begun. France, Italy, Poland, UK: Speed Cameras Burned, Painted, Pelted Vigilantes use a variety of methods to disable speed cameras in England, France, Italy and Poland. Vigilantes set fire to a speed camera in Cheshire, England on Monday around 2:45am. Gasoline-filled tires were placed around the automated ticketing machine located on Newcastle Road in Shavington, the Crewe and Nantwich Guardian reported. A pair of speed cameras in Loucelles, France were taken out of action on October 21. Vigilantes covered the devices on the 2X2 with black paint, ensuring that they would not issue any tickets. Vigilantes have targeted the same cameras since they were installed, Ouest France reported. In Toulouse, a team of four vigilantes disabled a speed camera last Sunday by clubbing it. The device is located between Sesquieres and Sept-Deniers. Police have identified suspects, La Depeche reported. A speed camera pole in Kedzierzyn-Kozle, Poland remains idle after a vigilante spraypainted the device six months ago. The device is located on John Paul II Street, Nowa Trybuna Opolska reported. In Collagna, Italy, vigilantes spraypainted and smashed the lens of a speed camera located on the SS63 on Thursday, Il Resto del Carlino reported. Police have no idea who may be responsible and have threatened to install a surveillance camera to watch the speed camera. http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/33/3308.asp French anti-terrorist police are hunting a "guerrilla" organisation that is blowing up speed cameras and demanding a ransom from the State. Police are taking seriously claims from the Nationalist Revolutionary Army Faction (FNAR) that it is responsible for the destruction of six radar installations on roads in the Paris region over the past six months http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3048856.ece Best Regards Tom. |
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Jon Anderson explained on 15/11/2010 :
On 11/14/2010 5:09 PM, John G wrote: From the RTA NSW web sight Tailgating penalty $344 and 3 points rule 126. Yeah, that's a pretty healthy penalty... I'm assuming the locals that tailgate me there, know when and where they can likely get away with such things. Tailgating is not near as common in or near towns as on the open roads between. And I should note, passing lanes there are fairly common and of sufficient length to allow many cars to pass with no drama. Jon Hefty Yeh! But try parking in a Disabled Spot without the permit. It is $422 in NSW! -- John G |
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Gerald Miller wrote: Even if it's a stolen vehicle? Did the owner leave the key in it while he went in to pay for the fill-up? Never heard of carjacking? There was a chase through several Central Florida counties the other day with some moron high on pot, driving the wrong way in havy highway traffic and speeding. He also called 911 to demand a lighter for his cigarettes, during the chase. http://www.wftv.com/news/25762605/detail.html -- Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is enough left over to pay them. |
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On 11/14/2010 7:19 PM, John G wrote:
But try parking in a Disabled Spot without the permit. It is $422 in NSW! Then there's leaving a child locked in an unattended vehicle, with fines up to $22,000! Yeah, I've actually been listening to my wife, as well as studying. Played around with an Ipod app from NSW RTA. Don't know how many questions there are on that test, but I went 40 straight with a perfect score. Jon |
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ATP wrote:
We have new stop light cameras in NY. $50 fine if you blow through a light- but no points on your license, so in essence they are handling it like a parking fine that goes against the owner of the vehicle. I think it's a bad trend that will eventually backfire. Not too long ago, I hit a stoplight in some LA suburb, that had "RED LIGHT CAMERAS!" signs; I looked up at the pole, and there were camera mounts with wires dangling. Either the cams has been stolen or never installed, but the traffic was very well-behaved. ;-) Cheers! Rich |
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Tyre, petrol, and match. English style. Google: Gatso (I think it's
called), -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Bob Engelhardt" wrote in message ... The device should have cameras facing all directions, to catch the people sneaking up on it with a baseball bat G. Bob |
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Or braking hard, and causing a wreck?
-- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Bob Engelhardt" wrote in message ... Jon Anderson wrote: ... Drivers, at least in rural NSW, appear to overwhelmingly obey traffic laws. ... overtaking drivers will tailgate a car length or less at 100km/hr ... So, there's no law against tailgating? G Bob |
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Last year, I was being tailgated. He didn't back off, with several
brake flashes. Finally, I braked to nearly a stop, and then started back again. This time he stayed a bit farther back, but not enough. At his first chance, he pulled out in front of me. I followed, at my usual safe for the speed distance. He slammed on the brakes. And then started up again. Since I was following at a safe distance, all I had to do was take my foot off the gas, coast, and start back up. The difference between his tailgating versus my safe distance was obvious to me. I doubt he had a hint of a clue, though. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Rich Grise" wrote in message ... When I'm being tailgated, I slow down until the idiot tailgater passes me, gives me the finger, and heads on to wherever he's in such a hurry to crash. Cheers! Rich |
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You da man!
-- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Jon Anderson" wrote in message ... On 11/14/2010 1:52 PM, Rich Grise wrote: When I'm being tailgated, I slow down until the idiot tailgater passes me, gives me the finger, and heads on to wherever he's in such a hurry to crash. Here, I do the same. There, I maintain speed until a clear spot to pass shows up, then I give them ample reason to do so. LOL, reminds me though, a year or so after getting married (the first time) the ex and I drove down I-5 for a stay at Disneyland. I was driving at 75-80 somewhere in one of the stretches of vast nothingness, in the fast lane, when a Toyota full of kids comes up on me fast. Very fast. I moved over and let them by. Some 20 minutes later, we come upon the car up on the embankment, having obviously rolled at least once. Seemed like everyone was ok, though dazed. I honked and waved as I drove by... Jon |
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On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 19:47:43 -0800, Jon Anderson
wrote: On 11/14/2010 7:19 PM, John G wrote: But try parking in a Disabled Spot without the permit. It is $422 in NSW! Then there's leaving a child locked in an unattended vehicle, with fines up to $22,000! Yeah, I've actually been listening to my wife, as well as studying. Played around with an Ipod app from NSW RTA. Don't know how many questions there are on that test, but I went 40 straight with a perfect score. Jon In Nevada they throw you in jail. I was just looking at the meteorite craters SW of Alice Springs and was noticing the shadow directly under the kid's feet in the google earth pictures. Must get down right Laughlin NV. hot there. They go nutz over pets in cars also, so much so I still seem puzzled when I see a pet in car, here up north. There are many pets driven around up here, matter of fact, saw a guy almost crash his Cessna 195 cause he had a Labrador sized dog jumping around in the plane, really stupid. That's about as smart as stuffing sleeping bags behind the back seat and on top of the control cables! SW |
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On 11/18/2010 6:48 AM, Sunworshipper wrote:
In Nevada they throw you in jail. Well that's nice to know. Maybe it's taken serious anywhere it gets really hot. Here in California, while it's illegal, it's also common. Obviously not many people get popped for it. Jon |
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