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Carnival Splendor cruise ship fire
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According to Wikipedia, the fire occurred because "crankcase split". I have to wonder what happened exactly, how could the crankcase split, and if it did split, it must have been a massive oil leak. |
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"Ignoramus4438" wrote in message ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnival_Splendor According to Wikipedia, the fire occurred because "crankcase split". I have to wonder what happened exactly, how could the crankcase split, and if it did split, it must have been a massive oil leak. I thought ship engines of this size had "open crankcases" with the oil lines plumbed. I've also been told that being very slow reving two-stroke engines they sometimes don't have main caps fitted to the conrods. Oh - just read some more of the article, it says "a crankcase split" so it could have been on some small ancillary / genset engine. |
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Dennis wrote:
"Ignoramus4438" wrote in message ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnival_Splendor According to Wikipedia, the fire occurred because "crankcase split". I have to wonder what happened exactly, how could the crankcase split, and if it did split, it must have been a massive oil leak. I thought ship engines of this size had "open crankcases" with the oil lines plumbed. I've also been told that being very slow reving two-stroke engines they sometimes don't have main caps fitted to the conrods. Oh - just read some more of the article, it says "a crankcase split" so it could have been on some small ancillary / genset engine. http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/ http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/em...rsk-engine?506 90,000 HP - at 100 rpm (on crude oil - not diesel) http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-D...rk-54883.shtml And they pollute something horrible... How 16 ships create as much pollution as all the cars in the world http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...ars-world.html -- Richard Lamb email me: web site: www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb |
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On Nov 12, 2:42*pm, Ignoramus4438
wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnival_Splendor According to Wikipedia, the fire occurred because "crankcase split". I have to wonder what happened exactly, how could the crankcase split, and if it did split, it must have been a massive oil leak. No idea what sort of engines it has, the last one I was on had 8 diesels driving alternators...ran engines according to power demand, spread hours over a large number of units so the major maintenance timedown would be minimised etc etc. I suspect "something broke" and a flying bit of "something" hit something vital with disastrous consequences.......oil line, hydraulic line, chief engineers Zippo lighter, who knows.... Andrew VK3BFA |
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"CaveLamb" wrote in message m... Dennis wrote: "Ignoramus4438" wrote in message ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnival_Splendor According to Wikipedia, the fire occurred because "crankcase split". I have to wonder what happened exactly, how could the crankcase split, and if it did split, it must have been a massive oil leak. I thought ship engines of this size had "open crankcases" with the oil lines plumbed. I've also been told that being very slow reving two-stroke engines they sometimes don't have main caps fitted to the conrods. Oh - just read some more of the article, it says "a crankcase split" so it could have been on some small ancillary / genset engine. http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/ http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/em...rsk-engine?506 90,000 HP - at 100 rpm (on crude oil - not diesel) http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-D...rk-54883.shtml And they pollute something horrible... How 16 ships create as much pollution as all the cars in the world http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...ars-world.html -- Richard Lamb email me: web site: www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb Thanks - interesting reading. Polluting *******s too! |
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On Nov 11, 7:42*pm, Ignoramus4438
wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnival_Splendor According to Wikipedia, the fire occurred because "crankcase split". I have to wonder what happened exactly, how could the crankcase split, and if it did split, it must have been a massive oil leak. The key work was "fire". The entire engine, steering and other power features of the ship are all remote control from the bridge area. No one works in the engine area. The fire, there, destroyed all the communications capability to remotely control things. No manual operations were possible. Technology at it's worst! Paul |
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On 11/11/2010 11:16 PM, CaveLamb wrote:
Dennis wrote: "Ignoramus4438" wrote in message ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnival_Splendor According to Wikipedia, the fire occurred because "crankcase split". I have to wonder what happened exactly, how could the crankcase split, and if it did split, it must have been a massive oil leak. I thought ship engines of this size had "open crankcases" with the oil lines plumbed. I've also been told that being very slow reving two-stroke engines they sometimes don't have main caps fitted to the conrods. Oh - just read some more of the article, it says "a crankcase split" so it could have been on some small ancillary / genset engine. http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/ http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/em...rsk-engine?506 90,000 HP - at 100 rpm (on crude oil - not diesel) http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-D...rk-54883.shtml And they pollute something horrible... How 16 ships create as much pollution as all the cars in the world http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...ars-world.html Well, technically bunker oil. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com Do you need to implement control loops in software? "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" was written for you. See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html |
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:42:00 -0600, Ignoramus4438
wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnival_Splendor According to Wikipedia, the fire occurred because "crankcase split". I have to wonder what happened exactly, how could the crankcase split, and if it did split, it must have been a massive oil leak. ========= This should give us all pause as the size and population densities of urban areas increase and we become increasingly dependant on all-or-nothing "technology," where everything works or nothing works, and the failure of some obscure subsystem can bring the whole house of cards down. -- Unka George (George McDuffee) ............................... The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there. L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author. The Go-Between, Prologue (1953). |
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F. George McDuffee wrote: On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:42:00 -0600, Ignoramus4438 wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnival_Splendor According to Wikipedia, the fire occurred because "crankcase split". I have to wonder what happened exactly, how could the crankcase split, and if it did split, it must have been a massive oil leak. ========= This should give us all pause as the size and population densities of urban areas increase and we become increasingly dependant on all-or-nothing "technology," where everything works or nothing works, and the failure of some obscure subsystem can bring the whole house of cards down. Mother Nature is not overly picky - folks can simply stop breeding like rabbits, or something _will_ come along to play foxes - mechanical, something as contagious as H1N1 that kills like ebola, war, famine, flood - she's not picky as to how it happens, just that it will, sooner or later. Sheesh George, there's a city down in Louisiana that's 6 feet under sea level without effective dikes, and they've been stacking cards on cards since 2005 to "bring it back." If you wanted to bring it back properly, the thing to do would have been to learn from Galveston and _start_ by raising the dang place above sea level, but no...just can't do what them old-timey folks with their advanced technology could do now-a-days. -- Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by |
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On 2010-11-12, Ecnerwal wrote:
F. George McDuffee wrote: This should give us all pause as the size and population densities of urban areas increase and we become increasingly dependant on all-or-nothing "technology," where everything works or nothing works, and the failure of some obscure subsystem can bring the whole house of cards down. Mother Nature is not overly picky - folks can simply stop breeding like rabbits, or something _will_ come along to play foxes - mechanical, something as contagious as H1N1 that kills like ebola, war, famine, flood - she's not picky as to how it happens, just that it will, sooner or later. I would like to respectfully disagree. Many cities, at various times, were bombed, lost electricity, water, other services, had earthquakes, and so on. Guess what, most people survived, cities were restored, and life moved on. With a few things that I have, such as a generator, very few guns, and very modest food store, I do not expect to have problems beyond minor inconveniences. A huge ship on sea that is jam packed with people, is subject to a completely different universe of risks. For example, unlike a city, it could sink in 45 minutes. i |
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rec.crafts.metalworking on Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:12:46 -0800 (PST): On Nov 11, 7:42*pm, Ignoramus4438 wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnival_Splendor According to Wikipedia, the fire occurred because "crankcase split". I have to wonder what happened exactly, how could the crankcase split, and if it did split, it must have been a massive oil leak. The key work was "fire". The entire engine, steering and other power features of the ship are all remote control from the bridge area. No one works in the engine area. The fire, there, destroyed all the communications capability to remotely control things. No manual operations were possible. Technology at it's worst! And no/ineffetave fire suppression system too. Damn. If your gonna put all of your eggs in one basket, guard that basket! Leaving an engine room like that unattended is like leaving a open hearth fireplace unattended. -- Dan H. northshore MA. |
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On Nov 12, 6:20*pm, Ignoramus1439
wrote: ... With a few things that I have, such as a generator, very few guns, and very modest food store, I do not expect to have problems beyond minor inconveniences. i Do your neighbors also have generators and food? jsw |
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"CaveLamb" wrote in message m... Dennis wrote: "Ignoramus4438" wrote in message ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnival_Splendor According to Wikipedia, the fire occurred because "crankcase split". I have to wonder what happened exactly, how could the crankcase split, and if it did split, it must have been a massive oil leak. I thought ship engines of this size had "open crankcases" with the oil lines plumbed. I've also been told that being very slow reving two-stroke engines they sometimes don't have main caps fitted to the conrods. Oh - just read some more of the article, it says "a crankcase split" so it could have been on some small ancillary / genset engine. http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/ http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/em...rsk-engine?506 90,000 HP - at 100 rpm (on crude oil - not diesel) http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-D...rk-54883.shtml And they pollute something horrible... How 16 ships create as much pollution as all the cars in the world http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...ars-world.html Some idiot commented "why don't we just get rid of those 16 ships?" |
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On 2010-11-12, Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Nov 12, 6:20?pm, Ignoramus1439 wrote: ... With a few things that I have, such as a generator, very few guns, and very modest food store, I do not expect to have problems beyond minor inconveniences. i Do your neighbors also have generators and food? No generators that I know, but I have guns. :L) That said, I would not mind running a small extension cord to the neighbors home. My generator is 20 kW. i |
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On Nov 12, 3:49*pm, Ignoramus1439
wrote: Do your neighbors also have generators and food? No generators that I know, but I have guns. :L) That said, I would not mind running a small extension cord to the neighbors home. My generator is 20 kW. i What about a water supply. Without electricity, how long can you water source continue? Since Illinois is pretty flat, they must use tall water tanks for storage. Need electric motors to power pumps to refill the tanks. Survivalists have barrels of water for backup. I remember an auction sale at a house that had rooms of food stored and another room full of filled water barrels. I bought a pickup bed full of cans of dried beans, etc. molasses, brown sugar. That was almost 10 years ago and we still have lots left. Paul |
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On 2010-11-13, KD7HB wrote:
On Nov 12, 3:49?pm, Ignoramus1439 wrote: Do your neighbors also have generators and food? No generators that I know, but I have guns. :L) That said, I would not mind running a small extension cord to the neighbors home. My generator is 20 kW. i What about a water supply. Without electricity, how long can you water source continue? Since Illinois is pretty flat, they must use tall water tanks for storage. Need electric motors to power pumps to refill the tanks. Survivalists have barrels of water for backup. I remember an auction sale at a house that had rooms of food stored and another room full of filled water barrels. I bought a pickup bed full of cans of dried beans, etc. molasses, brown sugar. That was almost 10 years ago and we still have lots left. I am not losing my sleep over water. We have some bottled water and several creeks and rivers nearby, plus lake Michigan 25 miles away. i |
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Carnival-come for the fun, stay for the inferno.
JR Dweller in the cellar On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:42:00 -0600, Ignoramus4438 wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnival_Splendor According to Wikipedia, the fire occurred because "crankcase split". I have to wonder what happened exactly, how could the crankcase split, and if it did split, it must have been a massive oil leak. |
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"F. George McDuffee" wrote: On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:42:00 -0600, Ignoramus4438 wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnival_Splendor According to Wikipedia, the fire occurred because "crankcase split". I have to wonder what happened exactly, how could the crankcase split, and if it did split, it must have been a massive oil leak. ========= This should give us all pause as the size and population densities of urban areas increase and we become increasingly dependant on all-or-nothing "technology," where everything works or nothing works, and the failure of some obscure subsystem can bring the whole house of cards down. Who's "we" bubba? Speak for yourself, I avoid urban areas like the plague they are and I am not at all reliant on their house of cards. |
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Ignoramus1439 wrote: On 2010-11-12, Ecnerwal wrote: F. George McDuffee wrote: This should give us all pause as the size and population densities of urban areas increase and we become increasingly dependant on all-or-nothing "technology," where everything works or nothing works, and the failure of some obscure subsystem can bring the whole house of cards down. Mother Nature is not overly picky - folks can simply stop breeding like rabbits, or something _will_ come along to play foxes - mechanical, something as contagious as H1N1 that kills like ebola, war, famine, flood - she's not picky as to how it happens, just that it will, sooner or later. I would like to respectfully disagree. Many cities, at various times, were bombed, lost electricity, water, other services, had earthquakes, and so on. Guess what, most people survived, cities were restored, and life moved on. With a few things that I have, such as a generator, very few guns, and very modest food store, I do not expect to have problems beyond minor inconveniences. A huge ship on sea that is jam packed with people, is subject to a completely different universe of risks. For example, unlike a city, it could sink in 45 minutes. Much of New Orleans "sank" in 45 minutes... |
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On Nov 13, 12:03*pm, "Pete C." wrote:
Ignoramus1439 wrote: ... For example, unlike a city, it could sink in 45 minutes. Much of New Orleans "sank" in 45 minutes... And Titanic had more lifeboats. |
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On 2010-11-13, Pete C. wrote:
Ignoramus1439 wrote: On 2010-11-12, Ecnerwal wrote: F. George McDuffee wrote: This should give us all pause as the size and population densities of urban areas increase and we become increasingly dependant on all-or-nothing "technology," where everything works or nothing works, and the failure of some obscure subsystem can bring the whole house of cards down. Mother Nature is not overly picky - folks can simply stop breeding like rabbits, or something _will_ come along to play foxes - mechanical, something as contagious as H1N1 that kills like ebola, war, famine, flood - she's not picky as to how it happens, just that it will, sooner or later. I would like to respectfully disagree. Many cities, at various times, were bombed, lost electricity, water, other services, had earthquakes, and so on. Guess what, most people survived, cities were restored, and life moved on. With a few things that I have, such as a generator, very few guns, and very modest food store, I do not expect to have problems beyond minor inconveniences. A huge ship on sea that is jam packed with people, is subject to a completely different universe of risks. For example, unlike a city, it could sink in 45 minutes. Much of New Orleans "sank" in 45 minutes... Well, I am not in New Orleans. My house is actually on a little hill, and will never be flooded due to topographic reasons. I am not exactly in a "city" either, come to think of it. Even in New Orleans, the total death toll was 1,464 persons, out of over 300 thousand people. i |
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Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Nov 13, 12:03*pm, "Pete C." wrote: Ignoramus1439 wrote: For example, unlike a city, it could sink in 45 minutes. Much of New Orleans "sank" in 45 minutes... And Titanic had more lifeboats. Everybody's still blaming Bush for Katrina. Well, howcome for the THREE DAYS while Katrina was building up in the gulf, and the mayor was on TeeVee EVERY DAY, saying, "GET OUT!! I have ordered mandatory evacuations! GET OUT!!!" they all just sat there? There was a string of buses waiting to evacuate people, but they were left to be flooded; all the residents said, 'Nah, suh, we's be fine - it's jess a lil' ol' hurricane." and sat there. They have nobody to blame but themselves. Thanks, Rich |
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"Ignoramus12083" wrote in message ... On 2010-11-13, Pete C. wrote: Ignoramus1439 wrote: On 2010-11-12, Ecnerwal wrote: F. George McDuffee wrote: This should give us all pause as the size and population densities of urban areas increase and we become increasingly dependant on all-or-nothing "technology," where everything works or nothing works, and the failure of some obscure subsystem can bring the whole house of cards down. Mother Nature is not overly picky - folks can simply stop breeding like rabbits, or something _will_ come along to play foxes - mechanical, something as contagious as H1N1 that kills like ebola, war, famine, flood - she's not picky as to how it happens, just that it will, sooner or later. I would like to respectfully disagree. Many cities, at various times, were bombed, lost electricity, water, other services, had earthquakes, and so on. Guess what, most people survived, cities were restored, and life moved on. With a few things that I have, such as a generator, very few guns, and very modest food store, I do not expect to have problems beyond minor inconveniences. A huge ship on sea that is jam packed with people, is subject to a completely different universe of risks. For example, unlike a city, it could sink in 45 minutes. Much of New Orleans "sank" in 45 minutes... Well, I am not in New Orleans. My house is actually on a little hill, and will never be flooded due to topographic reasons. I am not exactly in a "city" either, come to think of it. Even in New Orleans, the total death toll was 1,464 persons, out of over 300 thousand people. i Which was partially offset by the drop in the murder rate, at least until the original residents started returning. |
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A natural attraction to greedy white capitalist bankers, then?
-- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "CaveLamb" wrote in message m... And they pollute something horrible... How 16 ships create as much pollution as all the cars in the world http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...ars-world.html -- Richard Lamb email me: web site: www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb |
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