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Obama takes the Pledge of India, puts hand on heart
"Rich Grise" wrote in message ... anorton wrote: "Buddy Beavers" wrote in message http://obamaforwards.com/content/binary/handheart.jpg I try to teach my son that one's reputation is the most valuable thing you will ever own. You obviously have not learned that. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama...s/lefthand.asp How stupid. Given the disaster that Prez Barry Hussein has given us, it shouldn't be necessary to manipulate anything - just showcase his "achievements" (tripling the deficit, over 10% unemployment, Socialized medicine shoved down our throats, bowing down to foreign leaders, multi-hundred-million dollar junkets to Asia, etc., etc., etc.) Thanks, Rich Yes , such blatant lying is stupid. Yet many of the "facts" you cite are still the distortions put out by the propaganda machine. The increase in the deficit you refer to is the 2009 budget versus the 2008 budget, yet the propaganda does not mention that the 2009 budget was created by the Bush administration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Un...ederal_budget). The Heritage Foundation's own info-graphic shows the Obama budgets actually decrease the deficit from that point until 2013 (http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/...-in-pictures/). The projected increase after that is due mainly to the continuation of the Bush tax cuts if they remain in place. (http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3036) The supposed multi-hundred million junket has absolutely no basis in fact: http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bes...mov.cnn?hpt=C2 The phrase "socialized medicine shoved down our throats" seems vaugely familiar. How many thousands of times has that been repeated by right wing pundits of the propaganda machine? Can you even explain why it is any more "socialized" than the unworkable system we have now where anyone can get treatment in an emergency room and stick the hospital with the bill? |
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Obama takes the Pledge of India, puts hand on heart
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The supposed multi-hundred million junket has absolutely no basis in fact: Well, he did go to India etc., didn't he? What, exactly, _DID_ the taxpayers pay for that junket? You keep screaming "LIAR! LIAR!" when the $200M figure comes up; to prove that that's a lie, doesn't it behoove you to produce actual numbers? Come on, put your money where your mouth is! Thanks, Rich |
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Obama takes the Pledge of India, puts hand on heart
"anorton" wrote in message m... The phrase "socialized medicine shoved down our throats" seems vaugely familiar. How many thousands of times has that been repeated by right wing pundits of the propaganda machine? Can you even explain why it is any more "socialized" than the unworkable system we have now where anyone can get treatment in an emergency room and stick the hospital with the bill? The problem is that the country is bankrupt and you want to keep spending like the whole fleet of drunken sailors. The big difference is that the sailors get value for their money and they didn't borrow all the money from China and print a bunch more. $20 loaves of bread, coming to all the stores near you and everybody else. Thanks for destroying my savings and all my other assets! Right on track - Cloward & Piven and Alinski style! But, all is well according to the left-wing propaganda complex. Why do you insist that I pay for your healthcare, food, housing, clothing, utilities, big-screen, pot and booze? |
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Obama takes the Pledge of India, puts hand on heart
"Rich Grise" wrote in message ... anorton wrote: The supposed multi-hundred million junket has absolutely no basis in fact: Well, he did go to India etc., didn't he? What, exactly, _DID_ the taxpayers pay for that junket? You keep screaming "LIAR! LIAR!" when the $200M figure comes up; to prove that that's a lie, doesn't it behoove you to produce actual numbers? Come on, put your money where your mouth is! Thanks, Rich It was probably closer to $300M, based on their shrill denials. |
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Obama takes the Pledge of India, puts hand on heart
On 11/9/2010 4:29 PM, Rich Grise wrote:
anorton wrote: The supposed multi-hundred million junket has absolutely no basis in fact: Well, he did go to India etc., didn't he? What, exactly, _DID_ the taxpayers pay for that junket? You keep screaming "LIAR! LIAR!" when the $200M figure comes up; to prove that that's a lie, doesn't it behoove you to produce actual numbers? Come on, put your money where your mouth is! Thanks, Rich So you have no idea what the true cost of Obama's trip is? Is that right? You don't have the facts yet you believe that the trip costs in the neighborhood of 200 million a day? Or are you just admitting your ignorance? The point is in your position of total ignorance about the trip, why would you make any assertions about it's cost at all? Then you challenge someone else to defend the figure you believe, without a factual basis, as if they should know the actual costs, which are a state secret. Seems to me that you know nothing so why are you saying anything about it? Is it just that you were looking for an excuse to be critical? Hawke |
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Obama takes the Pledge of India, puts hand on heart
On 11/9/2010 7:35 PM, Buddy Beavers wrote:
"Rich Grise" wrote in message ... anorton wrote: The supposed multi-hundred million junket has absolutely no basis in fact: Well, he did go to India etc., didn't he? What, exactly, _DID_ the taxpayers pay for that junket? You keep screaming "LIAR! LIAR!" when the $200M figure comes up; to prove that that's a lie, doesn't it behoove you to produce actual numbers? Come on, put your money where your mouth is! Thanks, Rich It was probably closer to $300M, based on their shrill denials. As long as we're just throwing out baseless figures why be so conservative. I think it cost a billion a day. If they deny that it must be even higher, right? Probably twice that. Yeah, so now we know it costs two billion a day. Anyone denying that has to be lying. I just presented an example of the right wing thought process. Hawke |
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Obama takes the Pledge of India, puts hand on heart
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So you have no idea what the true cost of Obama's trip is? Is that right? No. Do you? I'm all ears! Thanks, Rich |
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Obama takes the Pledge of India, puts hand on heart
"Rich Grise" wrote in message ... Hawke wrote: So you have no idea what the true cost of Obama's trip is? Is that right? No. Do you? I'm all ears! Thanks, Rich When the smoke clears, I wouldn't be surprised if it was in the $300 - $400M range. |
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Obama takes the Pledge of India, puts hand on heart
On 11/9/2010 11:16 PM, Rich Grise wrote:
Hawke wrote: So you have no idea what the true cost of Obama's trip is? Is that right? No. Do you? I'm all ears! But you're the one saying how much it costs. Right after you said you had no idea of the true cost. Why? Hawke |
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Obama takes the Pledge of India, puts hand on heart
On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 12:20:15 -0800, "anorton"
wrote: still the distortions put out by the propaganda machine. The increase in the deficit you refer to is the 2009 budget versus the 2008 budget, yet the propaganda does not mention that the 2009 budget was created by the Bush administration You are aware that Democrats have controlled the money (in Congress) since Jan 7, 2007, are you not? Congress spends or it doesnt. The Prez only suggests. And Congress has spent like a drunken divorcee since that very same Jan 7, 2007 And the Obamassiah has been working with them..or they working with him...since his assumption of the President title January 20, 2009 Sucks to be you and a Democrat with no one to blame but yourselves, doesnt it? And dont give me the But Bush! But Bush bull****. Its lame and means zip. Gunner -- "Confiscating wealth from those who have earned it, inherited it, or got lucky is never going to help 'the poor.' Poverty isn't caused by some people having more money than others, just as obesity isn't caused by McDonald's serving super-sized orders of French fries Poverty, like obesity, is caused by the life choices that dictate results." - John Tucci, |
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