"Government leaders and ordinary people around the world seem to be
giving up on the view, oft-argued since 9/11, that Islam is not to
blame for the violent acts of its militant miscrants. That change of
heart is spawning an epidemic of attacks on Muslims, their religion,
its icons, practices and customs."

More at
http://tinyurl.com/395yvmq

Remedy suggested in this article: "Muslims who oppose violence must
make a concerted effort to curtail the provacateurs."

The author, Joel Brinkley, is a professor of journalism at Stamford
University and was formerly a Pulitzer-Prize-winning foreign
correspondent for the New York Times.

On Sep 30, 3:17*pm, Don Foreman wrote:
"Government leaders and ordinary people around the world seem to be
giving up on the view, oft-argued since 9/11, that Islam is not to
blame for the violent acts of its militant miscrants. *That change of
heart is spawning an epidemic of attacks on Muslims, their religion,
its icons, practices and customs."

More athttp://tinyurl.com/395yvmq

Remedy suggested in this article: * "Muslims who oppose violence must
make a concerted effort to curtail the provacateurs."

The author, Joel Brinkley, is a professor of journalism at Stamford
University and was formerly a Pulitzer-Prize-winning foreign
correspondent for the New York Times.

Every nasty, evil, horrible thing done by muslim terrorists is not
only in the koran, but it is actually required behavior.

This puts those who wish to follow islam *as though* it were a
moderate and tolerant religion in a bit of a bind.

Maybe islam can be saved from itself (its strict adherents)- but
probably not.


Dave

"Dave__67" wrote in message
...
On Sep 30, 3:17 pm, Don Foreman wrote:
"Government leaders and ordinary people around the world seem to be
giving up on the view, oft-argued since 9/11, that Islam is not to
blame for the violent acts of its militant miscrants. That change of
heart is spawning an epidemic of attacks on Muslims, their religion,
its icons, practices and customs."

More athttp://tinyurl.com/395yvmq

Remedy suggested in this article: "Muslims who oppose violence must
make a concerted effort to curtail the provacateurs."

The author, Joel Brinkley, is a professor of journalism at Stamford
University and was formerly a Pulitzer-Prize-winning foreign
correspondent for the New York Times.

Every nasty, evil, horrible thing done by muslim terrorists is not
only in the koran, but it is actually required behavior.

This puts those who wish to follow islam *as though* it were a
moderate and tolerant religion in a bit of a bind.

Maybe islam can be saved from itself (its strict adherents)- but
probably not.


Dave

does it bother you to lie outright? Have you personally verified your
statement? Have you read the christian bible, particularly the old
testament to see the level of violence it advocates?

Bill Noble wrote:

Every nasty, evil, horrible thing done by muslim terrorists is not
only in the koran, but it is actually required behavior.

This puts those who wish to follow islam *as though* it were a
moderate and tolerant religion in a bit of a bind.

Maybe islam can be saved from itself (its strict adherents)- but
probably not.


Dave

does it bother you to lie outright? Have you personally verified your
statement? Have you read the christian bible, particularly the old
testament to see the level of violence it advocates?


We are in the NEW Testament age now, Bill.


--

Richard Lamb

CaveLamb wrote:

Bill Noble wrote:

Every nasty, evil, horrible thing done by muslim terrorists is not
only in the koran, but it is actually required behavior.

This puts those who wish to follow islam *as though* it were a
moderate and tolerant religion in a bit of a bind.

Maybe islam can be saved from itself (its strict adherents)- but
probably not.


Dave

does it bother you to lie outright? Have you personally verified your
statement? Have you read the christian bible, particularly the old
testament to see the level of violence it advocates?

We are in the NEW Testament age now, Bill.


Bill is stuck in the Koran.


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"CaveLamb" wrote in message
m...


does it bother you to lie outright? Have you personally verified
your
statement? Have you read the christian bible, particularly the old
testament to see the level of violence it advocates?


We are in the NEW Testament age now, Bill.


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Richard Lamb

On Sep 30, 10:06*pm, "Bill Noble" wrote:
"Dave__67" wrote in message

...



On Sep 30, 3:17 pm, Don Foreman wrote:
"Government leaders and ordinary people around the world seem to be
giving up on the view, oft-argued since 9/11, that Islam is not to
blame for the violent acts of its militant miscrants. *That change of
heart is spawning an epidemic of attacks on Muslims, their religion,
its icons, practices and customs."

More athttp://tinyurl.com/395yvmq

Remedy suggested in this article: * "Muslims who oppose violence must
make a concerted effort to curtail the provacateurs."

The author, Joel Brinkley, is a professor of journalism at Stamford
University and was formerly a Pulitzer-Prize-winning foreign
correspondent for the New York Times.

Every nasty, evil, horrible thing done by muslim terrorists is not
only in the koran, but it is actually required behavior.

This puts those who wish to follow islam *as though* it were a
moderate and tolerant religion in a bit of a bind.

Maybe islam can be saved from itself (its strict adherents)- but
probably not.

Dave

does it bother you to lie outright? *Have you personally verified your
statement? *Have you read the christian bible, particularly the old
testament to see the level of violence it advocates?

Get a clue.

Find me where new or old testament says "Strike at the necks of the
unbeliever".

Lying, suppression, political murder, pedophilia- it's all there in
the koran if you don't have your eyes shut.


Dave

"Dave__67" wrote
Get a clue.

Find me where new or old testament says "Strike at the necks of the
unbeliever".

I guess you'd discount Cain slaying Abel - that was jealousy, not unbelief
(but it was pretty early in the good book...)

Sodom and Gomorrah? That wasn't *just* that dirty thing they did - it was
unbelief, too. (Not specific enough?)

How about the flood? Everyone on earth except for a handful of the
faithful? Not enough striking at the necks?

OK then - let's settle for the old standby - the Midianites:

Numbers 25
16 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
17 Vex the Midianites, and smite them:

Remember them? The Midianites? Unbelievers?
Smote at His command.

Enough clues?
(There are *hundreds* of others)

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Jeff R

On 10/1/2010 6:27 AM, Dave__67 wrote:
On Sep 30, 10:06 pm, "Bill wrote:
wrote in message

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On Sep 30, 3:17 pm, Don wrote:
"Government leaders and ordinary people around the world seem to be
giving up on the view, oft-argued since 9/11, that Islam is not to
blame for the violent acts of its militant miscrants. That change of
heart is spawning an epidemic of attacks on Muslims, their religion,
its icons, practices and customs."

More athttp://tinyurl.com/395yvmq

Remedy suggested in this article: "Muslims who oppose violence must
make a concerted effort to curtail the provacateurs."

The author, Joel Brinkley, is a professor of journalism at Stamford
University and was formerly a Pulitzer-Prize-winning foreign
correspondent for the New York Times.

Every nasty, evil, horrible thing done by muslim terrorists is not
only in the koran, but it is actually required behavior.

This puts those who wish to follow islam *as though* it were a
moderate and tolerant religion in a bit of a bind.

Maybe islam can be saved from itself (its strict adherents)- but
probably not.

Dave

does it bother you to lie outright? Have you personally verified your
statement? Have you read the christian bible, particularly the old
testament to see the level of violence it advocates?

Get a clue.

Find me where new or old testament says "Strike at the necks of the
unbeliever".

Lying, suppression, political murder, pedophilia- it's all there in
the koran if you don't have your eyes shut.

The point is, the Old Testament is a history book. And yes, God did
instruct His believers to kill non-believers in wholesale fashion, but
not just because they were non-believers, but because they threatened
the very existence of His followers. He even told the Israelites to
wipe out every man, woman, and child of the tribe that supposedly came
to be the Palestinians. The Israelites declined, and they are still
paying for it.
The New Testament is mostly about how to live as a Christian.
In the Bible, the actual instructions to believers are the Ten
Commandments. I don't recall any of them that command Christians to
murder non-Christians. The primary instruction is to make believers of
non-believers, for their own good.
The Koran has very different instructions for muslims.

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"RBnDFW" wrote in message
...

The New Testament is mostly about how to live as a Christian.
In the Bible, the actual instructions to believers are the Ten
Commandments. I don't recall any of them that command Christians to murder
non-Christians.

What is one to do with the individual who doesn't -say- observe the sabbath?

Numbers and Exodus and Leviticus are quite certain about this. Death.

On 9/30/2010 2:17 PM, Don Foreman wrote:
"Government leaders and ordinary people around the world seem to be
giving up on the view, oft-argued since 9/11, that Islam is not to
blame for the violent acts of its militant miscrants. That change of
heart is spawning an epidemic of attacks on Muslims, their religion,
its icons, practices and customs."

More at
http://tinyurl.com/395yvmq

Remedy suggested in this article: "Muslims who oppose violence must
make a concerted effort to curtail the provacateurs."

It's about damned time

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