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Ten dead among 54 shot aross city over weekend
Comments June 21, 2010 Sun-Times Media Wire Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a graze wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue. The latest victims were found naked, shot to death and lying face down on railroad property near West 91st Street and South Holland Road on the South Side about 8:50 a.m Monday, according to a Calumet Area sergeant. Both were shot at some point Sunday night. http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/2...062110.article Best Regards Tom. |
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On 2010-06-22, azotic wrote:
Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a graze wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue. Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile and inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there. i |
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"azotic" wrote in message ... Ten dead among 54 shot aross city over weekend Comments June 21, 2010 Sun-Times Media Wire Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a graze wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue. The latest victims were found naked, shot to death and lying face down on railroad property near West 91st Street and South Holland Road on the South Side about 8:50 a.m Monday, according to a Calumet Area sergeant. Both were shot at some point Sunday night. http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/2...062110.article Best Regards Tom. It should be illegal for criminals to use guns! |
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On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 17:47:37 -0700, "azotic"
wrote: Ten dead among 54 shot aross city over weekend Comments June 21, 2010 Sun-Times Media Wire Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a graze wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue. The latest victims were found naked, shot to death and lying face down on railroad property near West 91st Street and South Holland Road on the South Side about 8:50 a.m Monday, according to a Calumet Area sergeant. Both were shot at some point Sunday night. http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/2...062110.article ========= When third world conditions are created in our urban areas, and in many cases individuals from the third world are involved, why is anyone surprised when third world actions and activities occur? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100622/...or_bus_burning Gang members burn bus in El Salvador, killing 14 By DIEGO MENDEZ, Associated Press Writer Diego Mendez, Associated Press Writer – 2 hrs 46 mins ago {be sure and scan comments} SAN SALVADOR, El Salvador – Gang members opened fire on a bus on the outskirts of El Salvador's capital, then doused it with gasoline and set it on fire, killing at least 14 passengers in what the president on Monday called an act of terror. snip Violent youth gangs have besieged the public transit system in this small Central American nation to extort bus workers and largely impoverished commuters and travelers. snip Moments later, gang members opened fire on another bus in the same neighborhood, killing two people. Ascencio said Monday night that eight suspects had been arrested in the bus burning, including one who was detained minutes after the attack and smelled of gasoline. Among the detained were a woman and two minors. Earlier, Funes said seven suspects had been detained, most accused of being members of the Mara 18 street gang*. snip At least 217 drivers and other employees of El Salvador's public transport industry have been killed over the last year and a half in suspected gang attacks, said Catalino Miranda, president of the national federation of transport workers and businessmen. Most victims were shot to death. He said more than 50 buses had been set on fire. Three of the burnings, including Sunday's attack, caused deaths. Two people were killed in a bus burning earlier this year, and one was killed last year. Miranda estimated extortion demands had cost the industry some $18 million in 2009. El Salvador has an estimated 13,500 gang members, some 5,700 of whom are in prison. It is one of Latin America's most violent countries. ======== * http://izismile.com/2009/04/10/mara_18_31_pics.html Mara 18 (also known as M-18 or MS-18) is a primarily-Latino criminal organization, with members largely from El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. La Mara 18 was created in Los Angeles, California. During the 1980s, there was a mass exodus of Salvadorans that fled the conditions following the El Salvadoran Civil War*. Many of the Salvadorans who traveled to California were the target of existing gangs who preyed on immigrants. --------- * Which the U.S. government was instrumental in inciting, provoking and maintaining. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvadoran_Civil_War It is exactly this type of civil unrest in Chicago that results in the continual erosion of Constitutional rights for all citizens, i.e. adios 2nd Amendment. (It is correctly observed that it is indeed a Constitution, not a suicide pact.) To see what happens when a community attempts to address the root of the problem after the national and state governments refuse to act see http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100622/...ka_immigration -- -- Unka George (George McDuffee) ............................... The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there. L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author. The Go-Between, Prologue (1953). |
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On Jun 22, 12:53*am, F. George McDuffee gmcduf...@mcduffee-
associates.us wrote: ... When third world conditions are created in our urban areas, and in many cases individuals from the third world are involved, why is anyone surprised when third world actions and activities occur? ... -- Unka George *(George McDuffee) It isn't surprising, the question is why do the authorities permit it when they don't elsewhere. Some of that same behavior tries to spill over our border from Mass but our police are very alert and effective and the criminals' apologists receive little sympathy. Perhaps it's relevant that at a hearing I was talking with our senator (an antique car buff) when a recent arrival from MA interrupted to tell him what a great job he was doing, and that he knew what's best for us and shouldn't bother to hold meetings for public input. jsw |
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On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 17:47:37 -0700, "azotic" wrote:
Ten dead among 54 shot aross city over weekend Comments June 21, 2010 Sun-Times Media Wire Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a graze wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue. The latest victims were found naked, shot to death and lying face down on railroad property near West 91st Street and South Holland Road on the South Side about 8:50 a.m Monday, according to a Calumet Area sergeant. Both were shot at some point Sunday night. http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/2...062110.article Best Regards Tom. Just out of curiosity..how many of the victims were white or of some race other than black? Gunner One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. Gunner Asch |
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azotic wrote:
Ten dead among 54 shot aross city over weekend Comments June 21, 2010 Sun-Times Media Wire Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city Friday night into early Monday What, was there a Human Cannonball contest that night? Must have been quite a sight, all those people shooting across the city. |
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On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 17:47:37 -0700, "azotic" wrote:
Ten dead among 54 shot aross city over weekend Comments June 21, 2010 Sun-Times Media Wire Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a graze wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue. The latest victims were found naked, shot to death and lying face down on railroad property near West 91st Street and South Holland Road on the South Side about 8:50 a.m Monday, according to a Calumet Area sergeant. Both were shot at some point Sunday night. http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/2...062110.article Best Regards Tom. But that can't be! There are bans on guns in Chicago and we all know how well they wrok, don't we? Jim |
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On Jun 22, 12:15*pm, Jim Chandler wrote:
... But that can't be! *There are bans on guns in Chicago and we all know how well they wrok, don't we? Jim To be effective they need to be applied across the whole country, just like drug laws. |
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On 6/21/2010 6:32 PM, Ignoramus3314 wrote:
On 2010-06-22, wrote: Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a graze wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue. Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile and inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there. i Yeah, and it's hard to believe so much carnage is going on in a place where they banned virtually all guns. You would think a place where it was against the law for anyone to own guns would be one of the safest places in the would, wouldn't you? Unless maybe it's not the guns that are the problem. Could that be it? Hawke |
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Ignoramus3314 wrote:
On 2010-06-22, azotic wrote: Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a graze wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue. Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile and inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there. I've been in Chicago or near the area a few times. Often at the airport, once driving to Rockford to pick up my mill in a blizzard, and once driving through to get to the EAA convention in Oshkosh, WI. On the Oshkosh trip, I was driving my father-in-laws car, he did a by the way, my Colt 1911 is in the pocket behind your seat. I mentioned that Daley doesn't like guns and he mentioned he has a tumor in his brain just behind his eyes and he really didn't give a chit. Anyway, I'm glad you don't live in Chicago. I really hope SCOTUS rules the ban is un-Constitutional so the victims have a chance to fight back. Chicago is a perfect example of the failure of gun control. Btw, I was listening to Tom Gresham's show and he mentioned that the Brady bunch is renting their mailing list. Sounds like the Brady bunch is only 50K people, not 500K. And since many progun people subscribe to the antigunners mailing list, you know that 50K had a lot of gun lovers in it. Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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"Hawke" wrote in message ... On 6/21/2010 6:32 PM, Ignoramus3314 wrote: On 2010-06-22, wrote: Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a graze wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue. Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile and inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there. i Yeah, and it's hard to believe so much carnage is going on in a place where they banned virtually all guns. You would think a place where it was against the law for anyone to own guns would be one of the safest places in the would, wouldn't you? Unless maybe it's not the guns that are the problem. Could that be it? Hawke Could it be the current mayor has some form of OCD ? He is running arround lobbying for more gun control. Best Regards Tom. |
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"azotic" wrote:
Yeah, and it's hard to believe so much carnage is going on in a place where they banned virtually all guns. You would think a place where it was against the law for anyone to own guns would be one of the safest places in the would, wouldn't you? Unless maybe it's not the guns that are the problem. Could that be it? Hawke Could it be the current mayor has some form of OCD ? He is running arround lobbying for more gun control. He has a personal protective detail. If they were stand up cops, they would show up for work one day with out their firearms and let he know that factoid. Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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On 2010-06-22, Wes wrote:
Ignoramus3314 wrote: On 2010-06-22, azotic wrote: Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a graze wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue. Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile and inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there. I've been in Chicago or near the area a few times. Often at the airport, once driving to Rockford to pick up my mill in a blizzard, and once driving through to get to the EAA convention in Oshkosh, WI. On the Oshkosh trip, I was driving my father-in-laws car, he did a by the way, my Colt 1911 is in the pocket behind your seat. I mentioned that Daley doesn't like guns and he mentioned he has a tumor in his brain just behind his eyes and he really didn't give a chit. Anyway, I'm glad you don't live in Chicago. I really hope SCOTUS rules the ban is un-Constitutional so the victims have a chance to fight back. Chicago is a perfect example of the failure of gun control. Exactly. Btw, I was listening to Tom Gresham's show and he mentioned that the Brady bunch is renting their mailing list. Sounds like the Brady bunch is only 50K people, not 500K. And since many progun people subscribe to the antigunners mailing list, you know that 50K had a lot of gun lovers in it. Thanks to wise hands off approach of Obama administration, the interest in the topic of gun control has fallen dramatically on both sides, but especially on the gun banning side. The US is a special country, because we are the only civilised country where gun ownership is constitutionally protected (or one of the very few). Now, when it comes to those gang related slayings, I must say that I have not shed any tears for those dead gang members. All that drug dealing and gang warfare, is ruining the very people who do it, which is fine with me as long as I am not among them. Perhaps a few generations of internecine killing would help naturally select nonviolent genes for reproduction. If we are to believe the Wild West stereotype, the "wild" westerners became a lot less wild as the most aggressive people were killed early in life. Maybe after 100 years of "Wild Chicago south side", things will improve, due to guns. i |
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Why don't we just make it illegal to break the law?
-- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Jim Wilkins" wrote in message ... On Jun 22, 12:15 pm, Jim Chandler wrote: ... But that can't be! There are bans on guns in Chicago and we all know how well they wrok, don't we? Jim To be effective they need to be applied across the whole country, just like drug laws. |
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Ignoramus9757 wrote:
Thanks to wise hands off approach of Obama administration, the interest in the topic of gun control has fallen dramatically on both sides, but especially on the gun banning side. I think Harry Reid, someone that isn't my favorite politician, may have had something to do with it. He was in a favorable photo in my recent American Rifleman magazine (NRA publication). The best thing he has going for him is the NRA still backs him. If he goes, Chuck Schumer might take his place and that would not be good at all. The US is a special country, because we are the only civilised country where gun ownership is constitutionally protected (or one of the very few). Now, when it comes to those gang related slayings, I must say that I have not shed any tears for those dead gang members. All that drug dealing and gang warfare, is ruining the very people who do it, which is fine with me as long as I am not among them. Perhaps a few generations of internecine killing would help naturally select nonviolent genes for reproduction. I'm afraid it just makes for more ruthless and clever killers. If we are to believe the Wild West stereotype, the "wild" westerners became a lot less wild as the most aggressive people were killed early in life. I am not a student of the time but after the Civil war where many learned fighting with guns, I'm thinking the citizens that just wanted to live life in peace, were formidable if a bunch of outlaws showed up. Maybe after 100 years of "Wild Chicago south side", things will improve, due to guns. I truly believe if decent citizens make it dangerous for bad actors the time to go from the wild Midwest to civilized again will be very short. Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 17:17:09 -0400, Wes
wrote: Ignoramus3314 wrote: On 2010-06-22, azotic wrote: Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a graze wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue. Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile and inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there. I've been in Chicago or near the area a few times. Often at the airport, once driving to Rockford to pick up my mill in a blizzard, and once driving through to get to the EAA convention in Oshkosh, WI. On the Oshkosh trip, I was driving my father-in-laws car, he did a by the way, my Colt 1911 is in the pocket behind your seat. I mentioned that Daley doesn't like guns and he mentioned he has a tumor in his brain just behind his eyes and he really didn't give a chit. Anyway, I'm glad you don't live in Chicago. I really hope SCOTUS rules the ban is un-Constitutional so the victims have a chance to fight back. Chicago is a perfect example of the failure of gun control. Btw, I was listening to Tom Gresham's show and he mentioned that the Brady bunch is renting their mailing list. Sounds like the Brady bunch is only 50K people, not 500K. And since many progun people subscribe to the antigunners mailing list, you know that 50K had a lot of gun lovers in it. Wes A recent posting at the DU posits that the infamous gun banning organization is losing money and has only received one donation of $2,500 so far this year. If so, perhaps Paul Helmke and Petey Hamm will have to stop traveling first class and switch to a cheaper grade of snake oil. A look at the opensecrets.org page for the Brady Campaign shows that, with the exception of the 1999-2000 donation cycle ($1.7M), the Brady\u2019s have been losing money ever since, and in fact now pay out more money than they receive in donations. What happened in the 1999-2000 donation cycle to boost donations so much? On April 20th, 1999 two psychopaths stormed their high-school in Littleton, CO and killed 13 people. I find it ironic that 8 years later, at Virginia Tech, 32 people lost their lives and there was no increase in donations. Either the general public has become wise to the Brady\u2019s tricks, or there is some other factor at play here. Now, with even more guns in public hands than ever before, crime is at an all time low. Whether or not this is the reason for the decline is immaterial, what is important to note, is there has been no increase in crime as a result. Proof positive I\u2019d say that more guns does not mean more crime, proving John Lott right. Whatever ends up happening to the Brady Campaign, I could care less. I know I certainly won\u2019t be shedding any tears when they eventually disband and go away. Good riddance to bad rubbish I say. Would the last one out of the building please turn off the lights? Thanks! |
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On Jun 22, 5:47*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote: Why don't we just make it illegal to break the law? YOU ARE BRILLIANT! Why didn't someone think of that before? .... To be effective they need to be applied across the whole country, just like drug laws. My browser reports an error for "effective" and "drug laws" in the same sentence. jsw |
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On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 19:02:18 -0500, "Bar Fly"
wrote: "Hawke" wrote in message ... On 6/21/2010 6:32 PM, Ignoramus3314 wrote: On 2010-06-22, wrote: Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a graze wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue. Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile and inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there. i Yeah, and it's hard to believe so much carnage is going on in a place where they banned virtually all guns. You would think a place where it was against the law for anyone to own guns would be one of the safest places in the would, wouldn't you? Unless maybe it's not the guns that are the problem. Could that be it? Hawke If Chicago's West and South sides were their own cities, they'd be the deadliest and most violent in America Collectively, according to a Chicago Reporter analysis, Chicago's 11th and 15th police districts on the West Side had a higher murder rate last year than New Orleans, the nation's deadliest city in 2009. Meanwhile, on the South Side, collectively, the 6th and 7th districts had a higher rate of violent crime than St. Louis, the nation's leading city for violent crime per capita in 2009. In 2009, the 6th, 7th, 11th and 15th police districts had the four highest murder rates, among Chicago's 25 police districts. Those districts were also home to four of the city's five highest rates of violent crime. In 2009, the 11th district--which includes West Garfield Park, most of East Garfield Park and portions of Austin, the Near West Side and North Lawndale--recorded 55 murders. It was the highest one-year total for any district in the city since the 11th district tallied 57 murders in 2003. The collective murder rate for the 11th and 15th police districts--about 54 murders per 100,000 residents--was higher than the 51 per 100,000 recorded for New Orleans, the nation's leader. On the South Side, the 6th district--which includes most of Auburn Gresham and Chatham and portions of Greater Grand Crossing and Roseland--logged more than 2,700 incidents of violent crime in 2009. It was the first time in more than a decade that a police district other than the 7th district led the city in violent crime. The 7th district, which sits just north of the 6th district and includes most of Englewood and West Englewood and portions of Greater Grand Crossing, ranked second in 2009. Collectively, the rate of violent crime in those two districts topped 2,750 incidents per 100,000 residents, about 700 more incidents per 100,000 than St. Louis, which led the nation in 2009. Map created using Maptitude 5.0 http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chic...n-america.html ======== This sort of change doesn't "just happen." First thought -- who is on the take and is "the fix" in? What has changed in those areas? Ethnic/demographic shifts? New gang wanting a piece of the drug franchise? Major employer(s) packed up and went to Texas [or China?] Given the huge amounts of money and effort now being spent on surveillance of the American people, we should have at least some answers. All we currently get [and are likely to ever get] are the same old platitudes and snake-oil panaceas from the same old gasbag politicians from the same old tired parties. [FWIW -- no, its not all George W. Bush's fault, and no, cutting taxes and business deregulation will not solve this problem...] http://www.cctvchicago.com/index.php...ts_list&cat=56 http://securitysolutions.com/mag/sec...e_cctv_coming/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed-circuit_television "There are 2,200 CCTV systems in Chicago.""Is Chicago safe from a terrorist attack?," Chicago Sun-Times http://www.ice.gov/pi/nr/1006/100618chicago.htm http://www.ice.gov/pi/nr/1004/100429chicago.htm http://www.policemag.com/List/Tag/Ga...elligence.aspx http://abcnews.go.com/US/gangs-turn-...ory?id=8785218 {note date} http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_545315.html http://newsone.com/nation/associated...ting-freedoms/ -- -- Unka George (George McDuffee) ............................... The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there. L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author. The Go-Between, Prologue (1953). |
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On Jun 22, 8:21*pm, Hawke wrote:
The problem is that liberalizing the gun laws in the areas like Chicago won't do anything to reduce the murders and shootings. Giving everyone the right to buy and have guns will just mean more shootings. The problems is who lives in Chicago. It's the low class, poor people living there who are shooting each other all the time. Changing the gun laws won't do anything to stop that. Or course, the right thing is to let regular people have the right to defend themselves no matter what the outcome. Please define "regular people." |
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"F. George McDuffee" wrote in message news On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 19:02:18 -0500, "Bar Fly" wrote: Map created using Maptitude 5.0 http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chic...n-america.html ======== This sort of change doesn't "just happen." First thought -- who is on the take and is "the fix" in? What has changed in those areas? Ethnic/demographic shifts? New gang wanting a piece of the drug franchise? Major employer(s) packed up and went to Texas [or China?] It's called de-policing and it started when Daley hired J-Fled for Supt. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...092002319.html |
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On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 19:53:22 -0500, "Bar Fly" wrote
the following: "Hawke" wrote in message ... On 6/21/2010 6:32 PM, Ignoramus3314 wrote: On 2010-06-22, wrote: Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a graze wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue. Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile and inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there. i Yeah, and it's hard to believe so much carnage is going on in a place where they banned virtually all guns. You would think a place where it was against the law for anyone to own guns would be one of the safest places in the would, wouldn't you? Unless maybe it's not the guns that are the problem. Could that be it? Chicago is short over 3000 police officers. The budget is for 13500 officers and there are less than 10000 on the job. Many are retiring this year too, and will probably not be replaced. Almost all of the shootings are gang bangers shooting each other over drug turf. Most of the shootings go unsolved. Homeowners shooting intruders can't be charged because of an Illinois law called the "Hale DeMar self defense bill". On the street it's a different story, keep your head low. DeMar was a 54-year-old restaurateur whose home in Wilmette, Illinois was burgled on the night of December 29, 2003 by Morio Billings, a 31-year-old recidivist whose rap sheet included some 30 arrests, plea deals, and convictions for home burglary and the like. Billings was AWOL from the Army and in violation of his probation. On the following night, the burglar -- having stolen, among other things, keys to the house and a BMW X5 SUV -- returned, to continue his robbery. This time however, the perp was met by Mr. DeMar and his .38-caliber Smith & Wesson pistol met Billings with DeMar shooting Billings twice. Billings fled DeMar's home in the stolen SUV, and was arrested shortly thereafter at Evanston's St. Francis hospital, where he had gone to seek medical attention. Unfortunately for Mr. DeMar, he lived in a villages surrounding Chicago that had an ordinance banning handguns, the violation of which carried a fine of $750. While the Cook County State's Attorney decided that he would press no felony charges against DeMar for having let his Firearm Owners Identification Card lapse, the Wilmette village attorney that, home-defending hero or not, DeMar was going to have to be punished for violating the village's ban on hand guns. DeMar needs shooting lessons something fierce, but he got close. Fortunately for DeMar, the state legislature thought differently and with relative ease passed a new law indemnifying a gun owner in such a situation against such a prosecution. In May 2004, it passed the state House by a vote of 90-25, and Senate by a vote of 41-16. Hurrah! In August, then-Gov. Rod Blagojevich vetoed the bill only to have it overridden in November 2004 by a vote of 85-30 in the House and 40-18 in the Senate. State Senator Barack Obama voted against it twice. Now there's a pair of blackguards for ya. But, wait, I thought Obama had a "wise, hands-off policy". Ig said so. Oh, he's changed sides since leaving CONgress? -- Peace of mind is that mental condition in which you have accepted the worst. -- Lin Yutang |
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"Ignoramus9757" wrote If we are to believe the Wild West stereotype, the "wild" westerners became a lot less wild as the most aggressive people were killed early in life. Maybe after 100 years of "Wild Chicago south side", things will improve, due to guns. i A VERY long time ago, I saw a TV interview with Louis Lamour. He wrote fiction books about the old west, but they had a lot of historical accuracy, which may be why he was so popular and sold so many books. On the interview he stated that the Hollywood wild west stereotypes were as far from the truth as they could be. In the last quarter of the 19th century, which was the Golden years of the Old west and real cowboys, a lot of the men had experiences in the war between the states. They were very experienced with guns, and not afraid to kill someone. They were not the cowering townfolks portrayed in the movies. He also stated that more times than not, bad guys were killed by upstanding citizens for actions like making a pass at the guy's wife, cussing in front of a lady, or just being a jerk. In the old town of Pioche, Nevada, the museum made a list of the grand jury actions of the years around the 1880's. There were lots of incidents where an "upstanding citizen" shot and killed a bad guy for just such behavior, and the grand jury deemed it justifiable, and there was no prosecution. The town was so wild they had 72 funerals before the first person died from natural causes. There were many "bad guys" found dead in an alley at morning light shot by "persons unknown"..... case closed. Particularly if those bad guys were in an alley in the "decent" part of town. Just like today. Nobody saw nothing, nobody heard nothing, case closed because there was no homicide division, and the police were happy to see one less scumbag. Yeah, things will change for the better when the decent people start shooting back, and I'm really surprised there is not a lot more vigilante justice than there is. It is more common in rural type areas, with murder being the exception, but common ass whoopin' attitude adjustments are common. Steve visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com watch for the book A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult. |
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"Hawke" wrote in message ... On 6/21/2010 6:32 PM, Ignoramus3314 wrote: On 2010-06-22, wrote: Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a graze wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue. Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile and inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there. i Yeah, and it's hard to believe so much carnage is going on in a place where they banned virtually all guns. You would think a place where it was against the law for anyone to own guns would be one of the safest places in the would, wouldn't you? Unless maybe it's not the guns that are the problem. Could that be it? Chicago is short over 3000 police officers. The budget is for 13500 officers and there are less than 10000 on the job. Many are retiring this year too, and will probably not be replaced. Almost all of the shootings are gang bangers shooting each other over drug turf. Most of the shootings go unsolved. Homeowners shooting intruders can't be charged because of an Illinois law called the "Hale DeMar self defense bill". On the street it's a different story, keep your head low. DeMar was a 54-year-old restaurateur whose home in Wilmette, Illinois was burgled on the night of December 29, 2003 by Morio Billings, a 31-year-old recidivist whose rap sheet included some 30 arrests, plea deals, and convictions for home burglary and the like. Billings was AWOL from the Army and in violation of his probation. On the following night, the burglar -- having stolen, among other things, keys to the house and a BMW X5 SUV -- returned, to continue his robbery. This time however, the perp was met by Mr. DeMar and his .38-caliber Smith & Wesson pistol met Billings with DeMar shooting Billings twice. Billings fled DeMar's home in the stolen SUV, and was arrested shortly thereafter at Evanston's St. Francis hospital, where he had gone to seek medical attention. Unfortunately for Mr. DeMar, he lived in a villages surrounding Chicago that had an ordinance banning handguns, the violation of which carried a fine of $750. While the Cook County State's Attorney decided that he would press no felony charges against DeMar for having let his Firearm Owners Identification Card lapse, the Wilmette village attorney that, home-defending hero or not, DeMar was going to have to be punished for violating the village's ban on hand guns. Fortunately for DeMar, the state legislature thought differently and with relative ease passed a new law indemnifying a gun owner in such a situation against such a prosecution. In May 2004, it passed the state House by a vote of 90-25, and Senate by a vote of 41-16. In August, then-Gov. Rod Blagojevich vetoed the bill only to have it overridden in November 2004 by a vote of 85-30 in the House and 40-18 in the Senate. State Senator Barack Obama voted against it twice. Ed's going to say those were the LIBERAL state House and LIBERAL Senate... -- Richard Lamb |
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"Bar Fly" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Bar Fly" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Bar Fly" wrote in message ... "Hawke" wrote in message ... On 6/21/2010 6:32 PM, Ignoramus3314 wrote: On 2010-06-22, wrote: Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a graze wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue. Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile and inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there. i Yeah, and it's hard to believe so much carnage is going on in a place where they banned virtually all guns. You would think a place where it was against the law for anyone to own guns would be one of the safest places in the would, wouldn't you? Unless maybe it's not the guns that are the problem. Could that be it? Hawke If Chicago's West and South sides were their own cities, they'd be the deadliest and most violent in America Collectively, according to a Chicago Reporter analysis,... "The Chicago Reporter, Investigating race and poverty since 1972." It's a liberal muckraking newspaper -- worse than the "Mainstream Media." I'm just curious: Why in the hell would you believe a single word they say? -- Ed Huntress Stats are stats. Even liberal muckrakers would have a hard time trying to fudge those numbers. But..but...those are LIBERAL numbers. Did you check them out? Or do you really believe the liberal rag, no matter what they say? Besides, it's mostly liberal Obama voters who are getting shot by other liberal Obama voters. Those are the facts. Did you get them from some liberal rag, too? Even a broken clock is right twice daily. Ha-ha! But how do you know *when* it's right? You don't, of course. Like all rightards, you only care whether it agrees with your prejudices. If it does, you won't mention the source. If it doesn't, the source is the only thing you'll care about. Carry on. -- Ed Huntress |
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"cavelamb" wrote in message ... Bar Fly wrote: "Hawke" wrote in message ... On 6/21/2010 6:32 PM, Ignoramus3314 wrote: On 2010-06-22, wrote: Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a graze wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue. Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile and inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there. i Yeah, and it's hard to believe so much carnage is going on in a place where they banned virtually all guns. You would think a place where it was against the law for anyone to own guns would be one of the safest places in the would, wouldn't you? Unless maybe it's not the guns that are the problem. Could that be it? Chicago is short over 3000 police officers. The budget is for 13500 officers and there are less than 10000 on the job. Many are retiring this year too, and will probably not be replaced. Almost all of the shootings are gang bangers shooting each other over drug turf. Most of the shootings go unsolved. Homeowners shooting intruders can't be charged because of an Illinois law called the "Hale DeMar self defense bill". On the street it's a different story, keep your head low. DeMar was a 54-year-old restaurateur whose home in Wilmette, Illinois was burgled on the night of December 29, 2003 by Morio Billings, a 31-year-old recidivist whose rap sheet included some 30 arrests, plea deals, and convictions for home burglary and the like. Billings was AWOL from the Army and in violation of his probation. On the following night, the burglar -- having stolen, among other things, keys to the house and a BMW X5 SUV -- returned, to continue his robbery. This time however, the perp was met by Mr. DeMar and his .38-caliber Smith & Wesson pistol met Billings with DeMar shooting Billings twice. Billings fled DeMar's home in the stolen SUV, and was arrested shortly thereafter at Evanston's St. Francis hospital, where he had gone to seek medical attention. Unfortunately for Mr. DeMar, he lived in a villages surrounding Chicago that had an ordinance banning handguns, the violation of which carried a fine of $750. While the Cook County State's Attorney decided that he would press no felony charges against DeMar for having let his Firearm Owners Identification Card lapse, the Wilmette village attorney that, home-defending hero or not, DeMar was going to have to be punished for violating the village's ban on hand guns. Fortunately for DeMar, the state legislature thought differently and with relative ease passed a new law indemnifying a gun owner in such a situation against such a prosecution. In May 2004, it passed the state House by a vote of 90-25, and Senate by a vote of 41-16. In August, then-Gov. Rod Blagojevich vetoed the bill only to have it overridden in November 2004 by a vote of 85-30 in the House and 40-18 in the Senate. State Senator Barack Obama voted against it twice. Ed's going to say those were the LIBERAL state House and LIBERAL Senate... Well? Did you look them up? You'll find your suspicion confirmed if you do. -- Ed Huntress |
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If Chicago's West and South sides were their own cities, they'd be the deadliest and most violent in America Collectively, according to a Chicago Reporter analysis,... "The Chicago Reporter, Investigating race and poverty since 1972." It's a liberal muckraking newspaper -- worse than the "Mainstream Media." I'm just curious: Why in the hell would you believe a single word they say? -- Ed Huntress Stats are stats. Even liberal muckrakers would have a hard time trying to fudge those numbers. Besides, it's mostly liberal Obama voters who are getting shot by other liberal Obama voters. Those are the facts. Those are the facts? Really? How do you know that? I say the people who are shooting and getting shot are not voters. People responsible enough to vote do not go around shooting indiscriminately. The people doing the shooting are dirt bag gang bangers or other low life types that don't register to vote and don't vote. Most of them are convicts or will be. So you don't have the facts even if you have the stats. You made up the part about them being Obama voters. Hawke |
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On 6/22/2010 7:08 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
On Jun 22, 8:21 pm, wrote: The problem is that liberalizing the gun laws in the areas like Chicago won't do anything to reduce the murders and shootings. Giving everyone the right to buy and have guns will just mean more shootings. The problems is who lives in Chicago. It's the low class, poor people living there who are shooting each other all the time. Changing the gun laws won't do anything to stop that. Or course, the right thing is to let regular people have the right to defend themselves no matter what the outcome. Please define "regular people." By regular people I mean ordinary law abiding citizens. As opposed to non regular people who are police, military, special elites like movie stars, business moguls, and such. In the anti gun places special people are allowed the exception to have guns to protect themselves while everyone else, the regular people, aren't allowed to have them. The regular people in this context are everyone legally allowed to own a firearm. Hawke |
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On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 19:02:18 -0500, "Bar Fly" wrote:
"Hawke" wrote in message ... On 6/21/2010 6:32 PM, Ignoramus3314 wrote: On 2010-06-22, wrote: Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a graze wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue. Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile and inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there. i Yeah, and it's hard to believe so much carnage is going on in a place where they banned virtually all guns. You would think a place where it was against the law for anyone to own guns would be one of the safest places in the would, wouldn't you? Unless maybe it's not the guns that are the problem. Could that be it? Hawke If Chicago's West and South sides were their own cities, they'd be the deadliest and most violent in America Collectively, according to a Chicago Reporter analysis, Chicago's 11th and 15th police districts on the West Side had a higher murder rate last year than New Orleans, the nation's deadliest city in 2009. Meanwhile, on the South Side, collectively, the 6th and 7th districts had a higher rate of violent crime than St. Louis, the nation's leading city for violent crime per capita in 2009. In 2009, the 6th, 7th, 11th and 15th police districts had the four highest murder rates, among Chicago's 25 police districts. Those districts were also home to four of the city's five highest rates of violent crime. In 2009, the 11th district--which includes West Garfield Park, most of East Garfield Park and portions of Austin, the Near West Side and North Lawndale--recorded 55 murders. It was the highest one-year total for any district in the city since the 11th district tallied 57 murders in 2003. The collective murder rate for the 11th and 15th police districts--about 54 murders per 100,000 residents--was higher than the 51 per 100,000 recorded for New Orleans, the nation's leader. On the South Side, the 6th district--which includes most of Auburn Gresham and Chatham and portions of Greater Grand Crossing and Roseland--logged more than 2,700 incidents of violent crime in 2009. It was the first time in more than a decade that a police district other than the 7th district led the city in violent crime. The 7th district, which sits just north of the 6th district and includes most of Englewood and West Englewood and portions of Greater Grand Crossing, ranked second in 2009. Collectively, the rate of violent crime in those two districts topped 2,750 incidents per 100,000 residents, about 700 more incidents per 100,000 than St. Louis, which led the nation in 2009. Map created using Maptitude 5.0 http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chic...n-america.html I've driven through Chicago maybe 6 times lengthways, once by bus late at night, and the airport maybe 4 times. That has got to be the most freighting place I've been to. One time I took the wrong 'highway' and ended up around your blurry No.2 hole and luckily found a gas station. This was '79-'80 about 10 pm and there must have been a dozen black guys spread around the fence, I pulled out a gun and walked up to the 3" of glass and paid for the gas. I surly didn't care what their gun laws where. The bus was fun at 4 stories underground, ask ole Sarah who was playing wood tick for a couple of hours.After her parents showed up I went to see the "sky". The buildings just blend in with the pitch black smog at midnight up and sideways, for a fact that is one scary place. Bet it is 10 times as fun now. Every time I go to Hell A I'm cautious, but Chicago beats it hands down, I drive around NYC, never seen it. SW |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Bar Fly" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Bar Fly" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Bar Fly" wrote in message ... "Hawke" wrote in message ... On 6/21/2010 6:32 PM, Ignoramus3314 wrote: On 2010-06-22, wrote: Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a graze wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue. Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile and inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there. i Yeah, and it's hard to believe so much carnage is going on in a place where they banned virtually all guns. You would think a place where it was against the law for anyone to own guns would be one of the safest places in the would, wouldn't you? Unless maybe it's not the guns that are the problem. Could that be it? Hawke If Chicago's West and South sides were their own cities, they'd be the deadliest and most violent in America Collectively, according to a Chicago Reporter analysis,... "The Chicago Reporter, Investigating race and poverty since 1972." It's a liberal muckraking newspaper -- worse than the "Mainstream Media." I'm just curious: Why in the hell would you believe a single word they say? -- Ed Huntress Stats are stats. Even liberal muckrakers would have a hard time trying to fudge those numbers. But..but...those are LIBERAL numbers. Did you check them out? Or do you really believe the liberal rag, no matter what they say? Besides, it's mostly liberal Obama voters who are getting shot by other liberal Obama voters. Those are the facts. Did you get them from some liberal rag, too? Even a broken clock is right twice daily. Ha-ha! But how do you know *when* it's right? You don't, of course. Like all rightards, you only care whether it agrees with your prejudices. If it does, you won't mention the source. If it doesn't, the source is the only thing you'll care about. Carry on. -- Ed Huntress With all due respect, you are a moron. Some hunter you turned out to be, now give your mommy back her last name. |
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"Hawke" wrote in message ... If Chicago's West and South sides were their own cities, they'd be the deadliest and most violent in America Collectively, according to a Chicago Reporter analysis,... "The Chicago Reporter, Investigating race and poverty since 1972." It's a liberal muckraking newspaper -- worse than the "Mainstream Media." I'm just curious: Why in the hell would you believe a single word they say? -- Ed Huntress Stats are stats. Even liberal muckrakers would have a hard time trying to fudge those numbers. Besides, it's mostly liberal Obama voters who are getting shot by other liberal Obama voters. Those are the facts. Those are the facts? Really? How do you know that? I say the people who are shooting and getting shot are not voters. People responsible enough to vote do not go around shooting indiscriminately. The people doing the shooting are dirt bag gang bangers or other low life types that don't register to vote and don't vote. Most of them are convicts or will be. So you don't have the facts even if you have the stats. You made up the part about them being Obama voters. Hawke I guess you caught me when you played my bluff. Too bad your playing with an empty deck. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H01N7y8QO-c |
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"Bar Fly" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Bar Fly" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Bar Fly" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Bar Fly" wrote in message ... "Hawke" wrote in message ... On 6/21/2010 6:32 PM, Ignoramus3314 wrote: On 2010-06-22, wrote: Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a graze wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue. Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile and inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there. i Yeah, and it's hard to believe so much carnage is going on in a place where they banned virtually all guns. You would think a place where it was against the law for anyone to own guns would be one of the safest places in the would, wouldn't you? Unless maybe it's not the guns that are the problem. Could that be it? Hawke If Chicago's West and South sides were their own cities, they'd be the deadliest and most violent in America Collectively, according to a Chicago Reporter analysis,... "The Chicago Reporter, Investigating race and poverty since 1972." It's a liberal muckraking newspaper -- worse than the "Mainstream Media." I'm just curious: Why in the hell would you believe a single word they say? -- Ed Huntress Stats are stats. Even liberal muckrakers would have a hard time trying to fudge those numbers. But..but...those are LIBERAL numbers. Did you check them out? Or do you really believe the liberal rag, no matter what they say? Besides, it's mostly liberal Obama voters who are getting shot by other liberal Obama voters. Those are the facts. Did you get them from some liberal rag, too? Even a broken clock is right twice daily. Ha-ha! But how do you know *when* it's right? You don't, of course. Like all rightards, you only care whether it agrees with your prejudices. If it does, you won't mention the source. If it doesn't, the source is the only thing you'll care about. Carry on. -- Ed Huntress With all due respect, you are a moron. You're trying to gin up some case against "liberal" media while simultaneously using them as a source for your monologues. We've had some dumb rightards here, but you're definitely a contestant for the Blissfully Unaware right-winger award. -- Ed Huntress |
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"Hawke" wrote in message ... On 6/22/2010 7:08 PM, rangerssuck wrote: On Jun 22, 8:21 pm, wrote: The problem is that liberalizing the gun laws in the areas like Chicago won't do anything to reduce the murders and shootings. Giving everyone the right to buy and have guns will just mean more shootings. The problems is who lives in Chicago. It's the low class, poor people living there who are shooting each other all the time. Changing the gun laws won't do anything to stop that. Or course, the right thing is to let regular people have the right to defend themselves no matter what the outcome. Please define "regular people." By regular people I mean ordinary law abiding citizens. As opposed to non regular people who are police, military, special elites like movie stars, business moguls, and such. In the anti gun places special people are allowed the exception to have guns to protect themselves while everyone else, the regular people, aren't allowed to have them. The regular people in this context are everyone legally allowed to own a firearm. Hawke It's Chicago. There are no regular law abiding people, they will shoot you in the chest just to see the look on your face. As an example of what normal in Chicago is, take a look at Chicago's finest citizens who we sent to Washington. The Chimp, the Ballerina, and thunder thighs in the technicolor pantsuits. |
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"Sunworshipper" wrote in message ... On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 19:02:18 -0500, "Bar Fly" wrote: "Hawke" wrote in message ... On 6/21/2010 6:32 PM, Ignoramus3314 wrote: On 2010-06-22, wrote: Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a graze wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue. Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile and inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there. i Yeah, and it's hard to believe so much carnage is going on in a place where they banned virtually all guns. You would think a place where it was against the law for anyone to own guns would be one of the safest places in the would, wouldn't you? Unless maybe it's not the guns that are the problem. Could that be it? Hawke If Chicago's West and South sides were their own cities, they'd be the deadliest and most violent in America Collectively, according to a Chicago Reporter analysis, Chicago's 11th and 15th police districts on the West Side had a higher murder rate last year than New Orleans, the nation's deadliest city in 2009. Meanwhile, on the South Side, collectively, the 6th and 7th districts had a higher rate of violent crime than St. Louis, the nation's leading city for violent crime per capita in 2009. In 2009, the 6th, 7th, 11th and 15th police districts had the four highest murder rates, among Chicago's 25 police districts. Those districts were also home to four of the city's five highest rates of violent crime. In 2009, the 11th district--which includes West Garfield Park, most of East Garfield Park and portions of Austin, the Near West Side and North Lawndale--recorded 55 murders. It was the highest one-year total for any district in the city since the 11th district tallied 57 murders in 2003. The collective murder rate for the 11th and 15th police districts--about 54 murders per 100,000 residents--was higher than the 51 per 100,000 recorded for New Orleans, the nation's leader. On the South Side, the 6th district--which includes most of Auburn Gresham and Chatham and portions of Greater Grand Crossing and Roseland--logged more than 2,700 incidents of violent crime in 2009. It was the first time in more than a decade that a police district other than the 7th district led the city in violent crime. The 7th district, which sits just north of the 6th district and includes most of Englewood and West Englewood and portions of Greater Grand Crossing, ranked second in 2009. Collectively, the rate of violent crime in those two districts topped 2,750 incidents per 100,000 residents, about 700 more incidents per 100,000 than St. Louis, which led the nation in 2009. Map created using Maptitude 5.0 http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chic...n-america.html I've driven through Chicago maybe 6 times lengthways, once by bus late at night, and the airport maybe 4 times. That has got to be the most freighting place I've been to. One time I took the wrong 'highway' and ended up around your blurry No.2 hole and luckily found a gas station. This was '79-'80 about 10 pm and there must have been a dozen black guys spread around the fence, I pulled out a gun and walked up to the 3" of glass and paid for the gas. I surly didn't care what their gun laws where. The bus was fun at 4 stories underground, ask ole Sarah who was playing wood tick for a couple of hours.After her parents showed up I went to see the "sky". The buildings just blend in with the pitch black smog at midnight up and sideways, for a fact that is one scary place. Bet it is 10 times as fun now. Every time I go to Hell A I'm cautious, but Chicago beats it hands down, I drive around NYC, never seen it. SW Glad you made it out of Obamaland safely. |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Bar Fly" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Bar Fly" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Bar Fly" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Bar Fly" wrote in message ... "Hawke" wrote in message ... On 6/21/2010 6:32 PM, Ignoramus3314 wrote: On 2010-06-22, wrote: Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a graze wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue. Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile and inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there. i Yeah, and it's hard to believe so much carnage is going on in a place where they banned virtually all guns. You would think a place where it was against the law for anyone to own guns would be one of the safest places in the would, wouldn't you? Unless maybe it's not the guns that are the problem. Could that be it? Hawke If Chicago's West and South sides were their own cities, they'd be the deadliest and most violent in America Collectively, according to a Chicago Reporter analysis,... "The Chicago Reporter, Investigating race and poverty since 1972." It's a liberal muckraking newspaper -- worse than the "Mainstream Media." I'm just curious: Why in the hell would you believe a single word they say? -- Ed Huntress Stats are stats. Even liberal muckrakers would have a hard time trying to fudge those numbers. But..but...those are LIBERAL numbers. Did you check them out? Or do you really believe the liberal rag, no matter what they say? Besides, it's mostly liberal Obama voters who are getting shot by other liberal Obama voters. Those are the facts. Did you get them from some liberal rag, too? Even a broken clock is right twice daily. Ha-ha! But how do you know *when* it's right? You don't, of course. Like all rightards, you only care whether it agrees with your prejudices. If it does, you won't mention the source. If it doesn't, the source is the only thing you'll care about. Carry on. -- Ed Huntress With all due respect, you are a moron. You're trying to gin up some case against "liberal" media while simultaneously using them as a source for your monologues. We've had some dumb rightards here, but you're definitely a contestant for the Blissfully Unaware right-winger award. -- Ed Huntress LOL, you trimmed out the part where I asked you to give your mommy her last name back. Here, let me insert that back inb: Some hunter you turned out to be, now give your mommy back her last name. |
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"Bar Fly" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Bar Fly" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Bar Fly" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Bar Fly" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Bar Fly" wrote in message ... "Hawke" wrote in message ... On 6/21/2010 6:32 PM, Ignoramus3314 wrote: On 2010-06-22, wrote: Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a graze wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue. Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile and inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there. i Yeah, and it's hard to believe so much carnage is going on in a place where they banned virtually all guns. You would think a place where it was against the law for anyone to own guns would be one of the safest places in the would, wouldn't you? Unless maybe it's not the guns that are the problem. Could that be it? Hawke If Chicago's West and South sides were their own cities, they'd be the deadliest and most violent in America Collectively, according to a Chicago Reporter analysis,... "The Chicago Reporter, Investigating race and poverty since 1972." It's a liberal muckraking newspaper -- worse than the "Mainstream Media." I'm just curious: Why in the hell would you believe a single word they say? -- Ed Huntress Stats are stats. Even liberal muckrakers would have a hard time trying to fudge those numbers. But..but...those are LIBERAL numbers. Did you check them out? Or do you really believe the liberal rag, no matter what they say? Besides, it's mostly liberal Obama voters who are getting shot by other liberal Obama voters. Those are the facts. Did you get them from some liberal rag, too? Even a broken clock is right twice daily. Ha-ha! But how do you know *when* it's right? You don't, of course. Like all rightards, you only care whether it agrees with your prejudices. If it does, you won't mention the source. If it doesn't, the source is the only thing you'll care about. Carry on. -- Ed Huntress With all due respect, you are a moron. You're trying to gin up some case against "liberal" media while simultaneously using them as a source for your monologues. We've had some dumb rightards here, but you're definitely a contestant for the Blissfully Unaware right-winger award. -- Ed Huntress LOL, you trimmed out the part where I asked you to give your mommy her last name back. Here, let me insert that back inb: Some hunter you turned out to be, now give your mommy back her last name. Because even for you, Barfed Fly, your dumb crack was too stupid and childish, and it would embarrass you too much. I do have some pity. Where have you been before you dropped in here? Breeding little ones on a pile of **** somewhere? -- Ed Huntress |
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OT-Open warfare in chicago
"Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Bar Fly" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Bar Fly" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Bar Fly" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Bar Fly" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Bar Fly" wrote in message ... "Hawke" wrote in message ... On 6/21/2010 6:32 PM, Ignoramus3314 wrote: On 2010-06-22, wrote: Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a graze wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue. Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile and inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there. i Yeah, and it's hard to believe so much carnage is going on in a place where they banned virtually all guns. You would think a place where it was against the law for anyone to own guns would be one of the safest places in the would, wouldn't you? Unless maybe it's not the guns that are the problem. Could that be it? Hawke If Chicago's West and South sides were their own cities, they'd be the deadliest and most violent in America Collectively, according to a Chicago Reporter analysis,... "The Chicago Reporter, Investigating race and poverty since 1972." It's a liberal muckraking newspaper -- worse than the "Mainstream Media." I'm just curious: Why in the hell would you believe a single word they say? -- Ed Huntress Stats are stats. Even liberal muckrakers would have a hard time trying to fudge those numbers. But..but...those are LIBERAL numbers. Did you check them out? Or do you really believe the liberal rag, no matter what they say? Besides, it's mostly liberal Obama voters who are getting shot by other liberal Obama voters. Those are the facts. Did you get them from some liberal rag, too? Even a broken clock is right twice daily. Ha-ha! But how do you know *when* it's right? You don't, of course. Like all rightards, you only care whether it agrees with your prejudices. If it does, you won't mention the source. If it doesn't, the source is the only thing you'll care about. Carry on. -- Ed Huntress With all due respect, you are a moron. You're trying to gin up some case against "liberal" media while simultaneously using them as a source for your monologues. We've had some dumb rightards here, but you're definitely a contestant for the Blissfully Unaware right-winger award. -- Ed Huntress LOL, you trimmed out the part where I asked you to give your mommy her last name back. Here, let me insert that back inb: Some hunter you turned out to be, now give your mommy back her last name. Because even for you, Barfed Fly, your dumb crack was too stupid and childish, and it would embarrass you too much. I do have some pity. Where have you been before you dropped in here? Breeding little ones on a pile of **** somewhere? Maybe I was wrong, maybe she's just another **** in a dress. |
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On 2010-06-24, Bar Fly wrote:
LOL, you trimmed out the part where I asked you to give your mommy her last name back. Here, let me insert that back inb: Some hunter you turned out to be, now give your mommy back her last name. I am not sure what exactly is your purpose here. *plonk* |
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"Bar Fly" wrote in message ... snip LOL, you trimmed out the part where I asked you to give your mommy her last name back. Here, let me insert that back inb: Some hunter you turned out to be, now give your mommy back her last name. Because even for you, Barfed Fly, your dumb crack was too stupid and childish, and it would embarrass you too much. I do have some pity. Where have you been before you dropped in here? Breeding little ones on a pile of **** somewhere? Maybe I was wrong, maybe she's just another **** in a dress. Speaking of your wife? -- Ed Huntress |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Bar Fly" wrote in message ... snip LOL, you trimmed out the part where I asked you to give your mommy her last name back. Here, let me insert that back inb: Some hunter you turned out to be, now give your mommy back her last name. Because even for you, Barfed Fly, your dumb crack was too stupid and childish, and it would embarrass you too much. I do have some pity. Where have you been before you dropped in here? Breeding little ones on a pile of **** somewhere? Maybe I was wrong, maybe she's just another **** in a dress. Speaking of your wife? -- Ed Huntress Your mother, the hunter poseur. |
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