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June 21, 2010

Sun-Times Media Wire
Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city
Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a graze
wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue.

The latest victims were found naked, shot to death and lying face down on
railroad property near West 91st Street and South Holland Road on the South
Side about 8:50 a.m Monday, according to a Calumet Area sergeant. Both were
shot at some point Sunday night.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/2...062110.article

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Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city
Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a graze
wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue.


Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile and
inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there.

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June 21, 2010

Sun-Times Media Wire
Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city
Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a graze
wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue.

The latest victims were found naked, shot to death and lying face down on
railroad property near West 91st Street and South Holland Road on the
South Side about 8:50 a.m Monday, according to a Calumet Area sergeant.
Both were shot at some point Sunday night.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/2...062110.article

Best Regards

Tom.



It should be illegal for criminals to use guns!


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June 21, 2010

Sun-Times Media Wire
Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city
Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a graze
wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue.

The latest victims were found naked, shot to death and lying face down on
railroad property near West 91st Street and South Holland Road on the South
Side about 8:50 a.m Monday, according to a Calumet Area sergeant. Both were
shot at some point Sunday night.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/2...062110.article

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When third world conditions are created in our urban areas,
and in many cases individuals from the third world are
involved, why is anyone surprised when third world actions
and activities occur?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100622/...or_bus_burning
Gang members burn bus in El Salvador, killing 14
By DIEGO MENDEZ, Associated Press Writer Diego Mendez,
Associated Press Writer – 2 hrs 46 mins ago
{be sure and scan comments}

SAN SALVADOR, El Salvador – Gang members opened fire on a
bus on the outskirts of El Salvador's capital, then doused
it with gasoline and set it on fire, killing at least 14
passengers in what the president on Monday called an act of
terror.
snip
Violent youth gangs have besieged the public transit system
in this small Central American nation to extort bus workers
and largely impoverished commuters and travelers.
snip
Moments later, gang members opened fire on another bus in
the same neighborhood, killing two people.

Ascencio said Monday night that eight suspects had been
arrested in the bus burning, including one who was detained
minutes after the attack and smelled of gasoline. Among the
detained were a woman and two minors.

Earlier, Funes said seven suspects had been detained, most
accused of being members of the Mara 18 street gang*.
snip
At least 217 drivers and other employees of El Salvador's
public transport industry have been killed over the last
year and a half in suspected gang attacks, said Catalino
Miranda, president of the national federation of transport
workers and businessmen. Most victims were shot to death.

He said more than 50 buses had been set on fire. Three of
the burnings, including Sunday's attack, caused deaths. Two
people were killed in a bus burning earlier this year, and
one was killed last year.

Miranda estimated extortion demands had cost the industry
some $18 million in 2009.

El Salvador has an estimated 13,500 gang members, some 5,700
of whom are in prison. It is one of Latin America's most
violent countries.
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* http://izismile.com/2009/04/10/mara_18_31_pics.html
Mara 18 (also known as M-18 or MS-18) is a primarily-Latino
criminal organization, with members largely from El
Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras.

La Mara 18 was created in Los Angeles, California. During
the 1980s, there was a mass exodus of Salvadorans that fled
the conditions following the El Salvadoran Civil War*. Many
of the Salvadorans who traveled to California were the
target of existing gangs who preyed on immigrants.
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* Which the U.S. government was instrumental in inciting,
provoking and maintaining.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvadoran_Civil_War


It is exactly this type of civil unrest in Chicago that
results in the continual erosion of Constitutional rights
for all citizens, i.e. adios 2nd Amendment. (It is
correctly observed that it is indeed a Constitution, not a
suicide pact.) To see what happens when a community attempts
to address the root of the problem after the national and
state governments refuse to act see
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100622/...ka_immigration
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When third world conditions are created in our urban areas,
and in many cases individuals from the third world are
involved, why is anyone surprised when third world actions
and activities occur?
...
-- Unka George *(George McDuffee)


It isn't surprising, the question is why do the authorities permit it
when they don't elsewhere. Some of that same behavior tries to spill
over our border from Mass but our police are very alert and effective
and the criminals' apologists receive little sympathy.

Perhaps it's relevant that at a hearing I was talking with our senator
(an antique car buff) when a recent arrival from MA interrupted to
tell him what a great job he was doing, and that he knew what's best
for us and shouldn't bother to hold meetings for public input.

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June 21, 2010

Sun-Times Media Wire
Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city
Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a graze
wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue.

The latest victims were found naked, shot to death and lying face down on
railroad property near West 91st Street and South Holland Road on the South
Side about 8:50 a.m Monday, according to a Calumet Area sergeant. Both were
shot at some point Sunday night.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/2...062110.article

Best Regards

Tom.

Just out of curiosity..how many of the victims were white or of some
race other than black?

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
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June 21, 2010

Sun-Times Media Wire
Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city
Friday night into early Monday


What, was there a Human Cannonball contest that night?
Must have been quite a sight, all those people shooting across the city.
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Ten dead among 54 shot aross city over weekend
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June 21, 2010

Sun-Times Media Wire
Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city
Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a graze
wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue.

The latest victims were found naked, shot to death and lying face down on
railroad property near West 91st Street and South Holland Road on the South
Side about 8:50 a.m Monday, according to a Calumet Area sergeant. Both were
shot at some point Sunday night.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/2...062110.article

Best Regards

Tom.



But that can't be! There are bans on guns in Chicago and we all know
how well they wrok, don't we?

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But that can't be! *There are bans on guns in Chicago and we all know
how well they wrok, don't we?

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To be effective they need to be applied across the whole country, just
like drug laws.

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On 2010-06-22, wrote:
Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city
Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a graze
wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue.


Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile and
inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there.

i


Yeah, and it's hard to believe so much carnage is going on in a place
where they banned virtually all guns. You would think a place where it
was against the law for anyone to own guns would be one of the safest
places in the would, wouldn't you? Unless maybe it's not the guns that
are the problem. Could that be it?

Hawke


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On 2010-06-22, azotic wrote:
Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city
Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a graze
wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue.


Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile and
inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there.


I've been in Chicago or near the area a few times. Often at the airport, once driving to
Rockford to pick up my mill in a blizzard, and once driving through to get to the EAA
convention in Oshkosh, WI.

On the Oshkosh trip, I was driving my father-in-laws car, he did a by the way, my Colt
1911 is in the pocket behind your seat.

I mentioned that Daley doesn't like guns and he mentioned he has a tumor in his brain just
behind his eyes and he really didn't give a chit.

Anyway, I'm glad you don't live in Chicago. I really hope SCOTUS rules the ban is
un-Constitutional so the victims have a chance to fight back. Chicago is a perfect
example of the failure of gun control.

Btw, I was listening to Tom Gresham's show and he mentioned that the Brady bunch is
renting their mailing list. Sounds like the Brady bunch is only 50K people, not 500K. And
since many progun people subscribe to the antigunners mailing list, you know that 50K had
a lot of gun lovers in it.


Wes
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On 2010-06-22, wrote:
Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city
Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a
graze
wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue.


Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile and
inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there.

i


Yeah, and it's hard to believe so much carnage is going on in a place
where they banned virtually all guns. You would think a place where it was
against the law for anyone to own guns would be one of the safest places
in the would, wouldn't you? Unless maybe it's not the guns that are the
problem. Could that be it?

Hawke


Could it be the current mayor has some form of OCD ? He is running
arround lobbying for more gun control.

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Yeah, and it's hard to believe so much carnage is going on in a place
where they banned virtually all guns. You would think a place where it was
against the law for anyone to own guns would be one of the safest places
in the would, wouldn't you? Unless maybe it's not the guns that are the
problem. Could that be it?

Hawke


Could it be the current mayor has some form of OCD ? He is running
arround lobbying for more gun control.


He has a personal protective detail. If they were stand up cops, they would show up for
work one day with out their firearms and let he know that factoid.

Wes
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On 2010-06-22, Wes wrote:
Ignoramus3314 wrote:

On 2010-06-22, azotic wrote:
Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city
Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a graze
wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue.


Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile and
inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there.


I've been in Chicago or near the area a few times. Often at the airport, once driving to
Rockford to pick up my mill in a blizzard, and once driving through to get to the EAA
convention in Oshkosh, WI.

On the Oshkosh trip, I was driving my father-in-laws car, he did a
by the way, my Colt 1911 is in the pocket behind your seat.

I mentioned that Daley doesn't like guns and he mentioned he has a
tumor in his brain just behind his eyes and he really didn't give a
chit.

Anyway, I'm glad you don't live in Chicago. I really hope SCOTUS rules the ban is
un-Constitutional so the victims have a chance to fight back. Chicago is a perfect
example of the failure of gun control.


Exactly.

Btw, I was listening to Tom Gresham's show and he mentioned that the
Brady bunch is renting their mailing list. Sounds like the Brady
bunch is only 50K people, not 500K. And since many progun people
subscribe to the antigunners mailing list, you know that 50K had a
lot of gun lovers in it.


Thanks to wise hands off approach of Obama administration, the
interest in the topic of gun control has fallen dramatically on both
sides, but especially on the gun banning side.

The US is a special country, because we are the only civilised country
where gun ownership is constitutionally protected (or one of the very
few).

Now, when it comes to those gang related slayings, I must say that I
have not shed any tears for those dead gang members. All that drug
dealing and gang warfare, is ruining the very people who do it, which
is fine with me as long as I am not among them. Perhaps a few
generations of internecine killing would help naturally select
nonviolent genes for reproduction.

If we are to believe the Wild West stereotype, the "wild" westerners
became a lot less wild as the most aggressive people were killed early
in life.

Maybe after 100 years of "Wild Chicago south side", things will
improve, due to guns.

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On Jun 22, 12:15 pm, Jim Chandler wrote:
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But that can't be! There are bans on guns in Chicago and we all know
how well they wrok, don't we?

Jim


To be effective they need to be applied across the whole country, just
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Thanks to wise hands off approach of Obama administration, the
interest in the topic of gun control has fallen dramatically on both
sides, but especially on the gun banning side.


I think Harry Reid, someone that isn't my favorite politician, may have had something to
do with it. He was in a favorable photo in my recent American Rifleman magazine (NRA
publication). The best thing he has going for him is the NRA still backs him. If he
goes, Chuck Schumer might take his place and that would not be good at all.


The US is a special country, because we are the only civilised country
where gun ownership is constitutionally protected (or one of the very
few).

Now, when it comes to those gang related slayings, I must say that I
have not shed any tears for those dead gang members. All that drug
dealing and gang warfare, is ruining the very people who do it, which
is fine with me as long as I am not among them. Perhaps a few
generations of internecine killing would help naturally select
nonviolent genes for reproduction.


I'm afraid it just makes for more ruthless and clever killers.


If we are to believe the Wild West stereotype, the "wild" westerners
became a lot less wild as the most aggressive people were killed early
in life.


I am not a student of the time but after the Civil war where many learned fighting with
guns, I'm thinking the citizens that just wanted to live life in peace, were formidable if
a bunch of outlaws showed up.


Maybe after 100 years of "Wild Chicago south side", things will
improve, due to guns.


I truly believe if decent citizens make it dangerous for bad actors the time to go from
the wild Midwest to civilized again will be very short.

Wes
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Ignoramus3314 wrote:

On 2010-06-22, azotic wrote:
Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city
Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a graze
wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue.


Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile and
inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there.


I've been in Chicago or near the area a few times. Often at the airport, once driving to
Rockford to pick up my mill in a blizzard, and once driving through to get to the EAA
convention in Oshkosh, WI.

On the Oshkosh trip, I was driving my father-in-laws car, he did a by the way, my Colt
1911 is in the pocket behind your seat.

I mentioned that Daley doesn't like guns and he mentioned he has a tumor in his brain just
behind his eyes and he really didn't give a chit.

Anyway, I'm glad you don't live in Chicago. I really hope SCOTUS rules the ban is
un-Constitutional so the victims have a chance to fight back. Chicago is a perfect
example of the failure of gun control.

Btw, I was listening to Tom Gresham's show and he mentioned that the Brady bunch is
renting their mailing list. Sounds like the Brady bunch is only 50K people, not 500K. And
since many progun people subscribe to the antigunners mailing list, you know that 50K had
a lot of gun lovers in it.


Wes


A recent posting at the DU posits that the infamous gun banning
organization is losing money and has only received one donation of
$2,500 so far this year. If so, perhaps Paul Helmke and Petey Hamm
will have to stop traveling first class and switch to a cheaper grade
of snake oil.

A look at the opensecrets.org page for the Brady Campaign shows that,
with the exception of the 1999-2000 donation cycle ($1.7M), the
Brady\u2019s have been losing money ever since, and in fact now pay
out more money than they receive in donations.

What happened in the 1999-2000 donation cycle to boost donations so
much? On April 20th, 1999 two psychopaths stormed their high-school in
Littleton, CO and killed 13 people. I find it ironic that 8 years
later, at Virginia Tech, 32 people lost their lives and there was no
increase in donations. Either the general public has become wise to
the Brady\u2019s tricks, or there is some other factor at play here.

Now, with even more guns in public hands than ever before, crime is at
an all time low. Whether or not this is the reason for the decline is
immaterial, what is important to note, is there has been no increase
in crime as a result. Proof positive I\u2019d say that more guns does
not mean more crime, proving John Lott right.

Whatever ends up happening to the Brady Campaign, I could care less. I
know I certainly won\u2019t be shedding any tears when they eventually
disband and go away. Good riddance to bad rubbish I say.

Would the last one out of the building please turn off the lights?
Thanks!



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YOU ARE BRILLIANT!

Why didn't someone think of that before?
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To be effective they need to be applied across the whole country, just
like drug laws.


My browser reports an error for "effective" and "drug laws" in the
same sentence.

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"Hawke" wrote in message
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On 6/21/2010 6:32 PM, Ignoramus3314 wrote:
On 2010-06-22, wrote:
Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city
Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a
graze
wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue.

Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile and
inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there.

i


Yeah, and it's hard to believe so much carnage is going on in a place
where they banned virtually all guns. You would think a place where it was
against the law for anyone to own guns would be one of the safest places
in the would, wouldn't you? Unless maybe it's not the guns that are the
problem. Could that be it?

Hawke



If Chicago's West and South sides were their own cities, they'd be the
deadliest and most violent in America

Collectively, according to a Chicago Reporter analysis, Chicago's 11th and
15th police districts on the West Side had a higher murder rate last year
than New Orleans, the nation's deadliest city in 2009. Meanwhile, on the
South Side, collectively, the 6th and 7th districts had a higher rate of
violent crime than St. Louis, the nation's leading city for violent crime
per capita in 2009.


In 2009, the 6th, 7th, 11th and 15th police districts had the four highest
murder rates, among Chicago's 25 police districts. Those districts were also
home to four of the city's five highest rates of violent crime.

In 2009, the 11th district--which includes West Garfield Park, most of East
Garfield Park and portions of Austin, the Near West Side and North
Lawndale--recorded 55 murders. It was the highest one-year total for any
district in the city since the 11th district tallied 57 murders in 2003. The
collective murder rate for the 11th and 15th police districts--about 54
murders per 100,000 residents--was higher than the 51 per 100,000 recorded
for New Orleans, the nation's leader.

On the South Side, the 6th district--which includes most of Auburn Gresham
and Chatham and portions of Greater Grand Crossing and Roseland--logged more
than 2,700 incidents of violent crime in 2009. It was the first time in more
than a decade that a police district other than the 7th district led the
city in violent crime. The 7th district, which sits just north of the 6th
district and includes most of Englewood and West Englewood and portions of
Greater Grand Crossing, ranked second in 2009. Collectively, the rate of
violent crime in those two districts topped 2,750 incidents per 100,000
residents, about 700 more incidents per 100,000 than St. Louis, which led
the nation in 2009.

Map created using Maptitude 5.0

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chic...n-america.html

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This sort of change doesn't "just happen."

First thought -- who is on the take and is "the fix" in?

What has changed in those areas? Ethnic/demographic shifts?
New gang wanting a piece of the drug franchise? Major
employer(s) packed up and went to Texas [or China?]

Given the huge amounts of money and effort now being spent
on surveillance of the American people, we should have at
least some answers. All we currently get [and are likely to
ever get] are the same old platitudes and snake-oil panaceas
from the same old gasbag politicians from the same old tired
parties. [FWIW -- no, its not all George W. Bush's fault,
and no, cutting taxes and business deregulation will not
solve this problem...]


http://www.cctvchicago.com/index.php...ts_list&cat=56
http://securitysolutions.com/mag/sec...e_cctv_coming/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed-circuit_television
"There are 2,200 CCTV systems in Chicago.""Is Chicago safe
from a terrorist attack?," Chicago Sun-Times

http://www.ice.gov/pi/nr/1006/100618chicago.htm
http://www.ice.gov/pi/nr/1004/100429chicago.htm
http://www.policemag.com/List/Tag/Ga...elligence.aspx

http://abcnews.go.com/US/gangs-turn-...ory?id=8785218
{note date}

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_545315.html

http://newsone.com/nation/associated...ting-freedoms/

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The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).
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The problem is that liberalizing the gun laws in the areas like Chicago
won't do anything to reduce the murders and shootings. Giving everyone
the right to buy and have guns will just mean more shootings. The
problems is who lives in Chicago. It's the low class, poor people living
there who are shooting each other all the time. Changing the gun laws
won't do anything to stop that. Or course, the right thing is to let
regular people have the right to defend themselves no matter what the
outcome.



Please define "regular people."


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This sort of change doesn't "just happen."

First thought -- who is on the take and is "the fix" in?

What has changed in those areas? Ethnic/demographic shifts?
New gang wanting a piece of the drug franchise? Major
employer(s) packed up and went to Texas [or China?]



It's called de-policing and it started when Daley hired J-Fled for Supt.

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On 6/21/2010 6:32 PM, Ignoramus3314 wrote:
On 2010-06-22, wrote:
Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city
Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a
graze
wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue.

Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile and
inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there.

i


Yeah, and it's hard to believe so much carnage is going on in a place
where they banned virtually all guns. You would think a place where it was
against the law for anyone to own guns would be one of the safest places
in the would, wouldn't you? Unless maybe it's not the guns that are the
problem. Could that be it?


Chicago is short over 3000 police officers. The budget is for 13500 officers
and there are less than 10000 on the job. Many are retiring this year too,
and will probably not be replaced.

Almost all of the shootings are gang bangers shooting each other over drug
turf. Most of the shootings go unsolved.

Homeowners shooting intruders can't be charged because of an Illinois law
called the "Hale DeMar self defense bill".

On the street it's a different story, keep your head low.


DeMar was a 54-year-old restaurateur whose home in Wilmette, Illinois was
burgled on the night of December 29, 2003 by Morio Billings, a 31-year-old
recidivist whose rap sheet included some 30 arrests, plea deals, and
convictions for home burglary and the like. Billings was AWOL from the Army
and in violation of his probation. On the following night, the burglar --
having stolen, among other things, keys to the house and a BMW X5 SUV --
returned, to continue his robbery.

This time however, the perp was met by Mr. DeMar and his .38-caliber Smith &
Wesson pistol met Billings with DeMar shooting Billings twice. Billings fled
DeMar's home in the stolen SUV, and was arrested shortly thereafter at
Evanston's St. Francis hospital, where he had gone to seek medical
attention. Unfortunately for Mr. DeMar, he lived in a villages surrounding
Chicago that had an ordinance banning handguns, the violation of which
carried a fine of $750. While the Cook County State's Attorney decided that
he would press no felony charges against DeMar for having let his Firearm
Owners Identification Card lapse, the Wilmette village attorney that,
home-defending hero or not, DeMar was going to have to be punished for
violating the village's ban on hand guns.


DeMar needs shooting lessons something fierce, but he got close.


Fortunately for DeMar, the state legislature thought differently and with
relative ease passed a new law indemnifying a gun owner in such a situation
against such a prosecution.

In May 2004, it passed the state House by a vote of 90-25, and Senate by a
vote of 41-16.


Hurrah!


In August, then-Gov. Rod Blagojevich vetoed the bill only to
have it overridden in November 2004 by a vote of 85-30 in the House and
40-18 in the Senate. State Senator Barack Obama voted against it twice.


Now there's a pair of blackguards for ya. But, wait, I thought Obama
had a "wise, hands-off policy". Ig said so. Oh, he's changed sides
since leaving CONgress?

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If we are to believe the Wild West stereotype, the "wild" westerners
became a lot less wild as the most aggressive people were killed early
in life.

Maybe after 100 years of "Wild Chicago south side", things will
improve, due to guns.

i


A VERY long time ago, I saw a TV interview with Louis Lamour. He wrote
fiction books about the old west, but they had a lot of historical accuracy,
which may be why he was so popular and sold so many books. On the
interview he stated that the Hollywood wild west stereotypes were as far
from the truth as they could be. In the last quarter of the 19th century,
which was the Golden years of the Old west and real cowboys, a lot of the
men had experiences in the war between the states. They were very
experienced with guns, and not afraid to kill someone. They were not the
cowering townfolks portrayed in the movies. He also stated that more times
than not, bad guys were killed by upstanding citizens for actions like
making a pass at the guy's wife, cussing in front of a lady, or just being a
jerk.

In the old town of Pioche, Nevada, the museum made a list of the grand jury
actions of the years around the 1880's. There were lots of incidents where
an "upstanding citizen" shot and killed a bad guy for just such behavior,
and the grand jury deemed it justifiable, and there was no prosecution. The
town was so wild they had 72 funerals before the first person died from
natural causes. There were many "bad guys" found dead in an alley at
morning light shot by "persons unknown"..... case closed. Particularly if
those bad guys were in an alley in the "decent" part of town. Just like
today. Nobody saw nothing, nobody heard nothing, case closed because there
was no homicide division, and the police were happy to see one less scumbag.

Yeah, things will change for the better when the decent people start
shooting back, and I'm really surprised there is not a lot more vigilante
justice than there is. It is more common in rural type areas, with murder
being the exception, but common ass whoopin' attitude adjustments are
common.

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"Hawke" wrote in message
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On 6/21/2010 6:32 PM, Ignoramus3314 wrote:
On 2010-06-22, wrote:
Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city
Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a
graze
wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue.

Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile and
inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there.

i


Yeah, and it's hard to believe so much carnage is going on in a place
where they banned virtually all guns. You would think a place where it
was against the law for anyone to own guns would be one of the safest
places in the would, wouldn't you? Unless maybe it's not the guns that
are the problem. Could that be it?


Chicago is short over 3000 police officers. The budget is for 13500
officers and there are less than 10000 on the job. Many are retiring
this year too, and will probably not be replaced.

Almost all of the shootings are gang bangers shooting each other over
drug turf. Most of the shootings go unsolved.

Homeowners shooting intruders can't be charged because of an Illinois
law called the "Hale DeMar self defense bill".

On the street it's a different story, keep your head low.


DeMar was a 54-year-old restaurateur whose home in Wilmette, Illinois
was burgled on the night of December 29, 2003 by Morio Billings, a
31-year-old recidivist whose rap sheet included some 30 arrests, plea
deals, and convictions for home burglary and the like. Billings was AWOL
from the Army and in violation of his probation. On the following night,
the burglar -- having stolen, among other things, keys to the house and
a BMW X5 SUV -- returned, to continue his robbery.

This time however, the perp was met by Mr. DeMar and his .38-caliber
Smith & Wesson pistol met Billings with DeMar shooting Billings twice.
Billings fled DeMar's home in the stolen SUV, and was arrested shortly
thereafter at Evanston's St. Francis hospital, where he had gone to seek
medical attention. Unfortunately for Mr. DeMar, he lived in a villages
surrounding Chicago that had an ordinance banning handguns, the
violation of which carried a fine of $750. While the Cook County State's
Attorney decided that he would press no felony charges against DeMar for
having let his Firearm Owners Identification Card lapse, the Wilmette
village attorney that, home-defending hero or not, DeMar was going to
have to be punished for violating the village's ban on hand guns.

Fortunately for DeMar, the state legislature thought differently and
with relative ease passed a new law indemnifying a gun owner in such a
situation against such a prosecution.

In May 2004, it passed the state House by a vote of 90-25, and Senate by
a vote of 41-16. In August, then-Gov. Rod Blagojevich vetoed the bill
only to have it overridden in November 2004 by a vote of 85-30 in the
House and 40-18 in the Senate. State Senator Barack Obama voted against
it twice.




Ed's going to say those were the LIBERAL state House and LIBERAL Senate...


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On 6/21/2010 6:32 PM, Ignoramus3314 wrote:
On 2010-06-22, wrote:
Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the
city
Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered
a graze
wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side
barbecue.

Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile and
inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there.

i

Yeah, and it's hard to believe so much carnage is going on in a place
where they banned virtually all guns. You would think a place where
it was against the law for anyone to own guns would be one of the
safest places in the would, wouldn't you? Unless maybe it's not the
guns that are the problem. Could that be it?

Hawke


If Chicago's West and South sides were their own cities, they'd be the
deadliest and most violent in America

Collectively, according to a Chicago Reporter analysis,...

"The Chicago Reporter, Investigating race and poverty since 1972."

It's a liberal muckraking newspaper -- worse than the "Mainstream
Media."

I'm just curious: Why in the hell would you believe a single word they
say?

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Stats are stats. Even liberal muckrakers would have a hard time trying
to fudge those numbers.


But..but...those are LIBERAL numbers. Did you check them out?

Or do you really believe the liberal rag, no matter what they say?

Besides, it's mostly liberal Obama voters who are getting shot by other
liberal Obama voters. Those are the facts.


Did you get them from some liberal rag, too?


Even a broken clock is right twice daily.


Ha-ha! But how do you know *when* it's right?

You don't, of course. Like all rightards, you only care whether it agrees
with your prejudices. If it does, you won't mention the source. If it
doesn't, the source is the only thing you'll care about.

Carry on.

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Bar Fly wrote:


"Hawke" wrote in message
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On 6/21/2010 6:32 PM, Ignoramus3314 wrote:
On 2010-06-22, wrote:
Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the
city
Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a
graze
wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue.

Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile and
inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there.

i

Yeah, and it's hard to believe so much carnage is going on in a place
where they banned virtually all guns. You would think a place where it
was against the law for anyone to own guns would be one of the safest
places in the would, wouldn't you? Unless maybe it's not the guns that
are the problem. Could that be it?


Chicago is short over 3000 police officers. The budget is for 13500
officers and there are less than 10000 on the job. Many are retiring this
year too, and will probably not be replaced.

Almost all of the shootings are gang bangers shooting each other over
drug turf. Most of the shootings go unsolved.

Homeowners shooting intruders can't be charged because of an Illinois law
called the "Hale DeMar self defense bill".

On the street it's a different story, keep your head low.


DeMar was a 54-year-old restaurateur whose home in Wilmette, Illinois was
burgled on the night of December 29, 2003 by Morio Billings, a
31-year-old recidivist whose rap sheet included some 30 arrests, plea
deals, and convictions for home burglary and the like. Billings was AWOL
from the Army and in violation of his probation. On the following night,
the burglar -- having stolen, among other things, keys to the house and
a BMW X5 SUV -- returned, to continue his robbery.

This time however, the perp was met by Mr. DeMar and his .38-caliber
Smith & Wesson pistol met Billings with DeMar shooting Billings twice.
Billings fled DeMar's home in the stolen SUV, and was arrested shortly
thereafter at Evanston's St. Francis hospital, where he had gone to seek
medical attention. Unfortunately for Mr. DeMar, he lived in a villages
surrounding Chicago that had an ordinance banning handguns, the violation
of which carried a fine of $750. While the Cook County State's Attorney
decided that he would press no felony charges against DeMar for having
let his Firearm Owners Identification Card lapse, the Wilmette village
attorney that, home-defending hero or not, DeMar was going to have to be
punished for violating the village's ban on hand guns.

Fortunately for DeMar, the state legislature thought differently and with
relative ease passed a new law indemnifying a gun owner in such a
situation against such a prosecution.

In May 2004, it passed the state House by a vote of 90-25, and Senate by
a vote of 41-16. In August, then-Gov. Rod Blagojevich vetoed the bill
only to have it overridden in November 2004 by a vote of 85-30 in the
House and 40-18 in the Senate. State Senator Barack Obama voted against
it twice.




Ed's going to say those were the LIBERAL state House and LIBERAL Senate...


Well? Did you look them up?

You'll find your suspicion confirmed if you do.

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If Chicago's West and South sides were their own cities, they'd be
the deadliest and most violent in America

Collectively, according to a Chicago Reporter analysis,...


"The Chicago Reporter, Investigating race and poverty since 1972."

It's a liberal muckraking newspaper -- worse than the "Mainstream Media."

I'm just curious: Why in the hell would you believe a single word they
say?

--
Ed Huntress



Stats are stats. Even liberal muckrakers would have a hard time trying
to fudge those numbers. Besides, it's mostly liberal Obama voters who
are getting shot by other liberal Obama voters. Those are the facts.



Those are the facts? Really? How do you know that? I say the people who
are shooting and getting shot are not voters. People responsible enough
to vote do not go around shooting indiscriminately. The people doing the
shooting are dirt bag gang bangers or other low life types that don't
register to vote and don't vote. Most of them are convicts or will be.
So you don't have the facts even if you have the stats. You made up the
part about them being Obama voters.

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The problem is that liberalizing the gun laws in the areas like Chicago
won't do anything to reduce the murders and shootings. Giving everyone
the right to buy and have guns will just mean more shootings. The
problems is who lives in Chicago. It's the low class, poor people living
there who are shooting each other all the time. Changing the gun laws
won't do anything to stop that. Or course, the right thing is to let
regular people have the right to defend themselves no matter what the
outcome.



Please define "regular people."



By regular people I mean ordinary law abiding citizens. As opposed to
non regular people who are police, military, special elites like movie
stars, business moguls, and such. In the anti gun places special people
are allowed the exception to have guns to protect themselves while
everyone else, the regular people, aren't allowed to have them. The
regular people in this context are everyone legally allowed to own a
firearm.

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"Hawke" wrote in message
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On 6/21/2010 6:32 PM, Ignoramus3314 wrote:
On 2010-06-22, wrote:
Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city
Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a
graze
wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue.

Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile and
inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there.

i


Yeah, and it's hard to believe so much carnage is going on in a place
where they banned virtually all guns. You would think a place where it was
against the law for anyone to own guns would be one of the safest places
in the would, wouldn't you? Unless maybe it's not the guns that are the
problem. Could that be it?

Hawke



If Chicago's West and South sides were their own cities, they'd be the
deadliest and most violent in America

Collectively, according to a Chicago Reporter analysis, Chicago's 11th and
15th police districts on the West Side had a higher murder rate last year
than New Orleans, the nation's deadliest city in 2009. Meanwhile, on the
South Side, collectively, the 6th and 7th districts had a higher rate of
violent crime than St. Louis, the nation's leading city for violent crime
per capita in 2009.


In 2009, the 6th, 7th, 11th and 15th police districts had the four highest
murder rates, among Chicago's 25 police districts. Those districts were also
home to four of the city's five highest rates of violent crime.

In 2009, the 11th district--which includes West Garfield Park, most of East
Garfield Park and portions of Austin, the Near West Side and North
Lawndale--recorded 55 murders. It was the highest one-year total for any
district in the city since the 11th district tallied 57 murders in 2003. The
collective murder rate for the 11th and 15th police districts--about 54
murders per 100,000 residents--was higher than the 51 per 100,000 recorded
for New Orleans, the nation's leader.

On the South Side, the 6th district--which includes most of Auburn Gresham
and Chatham and portions of Greater Grand Crossing and Roseland--logged more
than 2,700 incidents of violent crime in 2009. It was the first time in more
than a decade that a police district other than the 7th district led the
city in violent crime. The 7th district, which sits just north of the 6th
district and includes most of Englewood and West Englewood and portions of
Greater Grand Crossing, ranked second in 2009. Collectively, the rate of
violent crime in those two districts topped 2,750 incidents per 100,000
residents, about 700 more incidents per 100,000 than St. Louis, which led
the nation in 2009.

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http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chic...n-america.html



I've driven through Chicago maybe 6 times lengthways, once by bus late
at night, and the airport maybe 4 times. That has got to be the most
freighting place I've been to. One time I took the wrong 'highway' and
ended up around your blurry No.2 hole and luckily found a gas station.
This was '79-'80 about 10 pm and there must have been a dozen black
guys spread around the fence, I pulled out a gun and walked up to the
3" of glass and paid for the gas. I surly didn't care what their gun
laws where. The bus was fun at 4 stories underground, ask ole Sarah
who was playing wood tick for a couple of hours.After her parents
showed up I went to see the "sky". The buildings just blend in with
the pitch black smog at midnight up and sideways, for a fact that is
one scary place. Bet it is 10 times as fun now.

Every time I go to Hell A I'm cautious, but Chicago beats it hands
down, I drive around NYC, never seen it.

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On 6/21/2010 6:32 PM, Ignoramus3314 wrote:
On 2010-06-22, wrote:
Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the
city
Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered
a graze
wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side
barbecue.

Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile and
inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there.

i

Yeah, and it's hard to believe so much carnage is going on in a
place where they banned virtually all guns. You would think a place
where it was against the law for anyone to own guns would be one of
the safest places in the would, wouldn't you? Unless maybe it's not
the guns that are the problem. Could that be it?

Hawke


If Chicago's West and South sides were their own cities, they'd be
the deadliest and most violent in America

Collectively, according to a Chicago Reporter analysis,...

"The Chicago Reporter, Investigating race and poverty since 1972."

It's a liberal muckraking newspaper -- worse than the "Mainstream
Media."

I'm just curious: Why in the hell would you believe a single word they
say?

--
Ed Huntress



Stats are stats. Even liberal muckrakers would have a hard time trying
to fudge those numbers.

But..but...those are LIBERAL numbers. Did you check them out?

Or do you really believe the liberal rag, no matter what they say?

Besides, it's mostly liberal Obama voters who are getting shot by other
liberal Obama voters. Those are the facts.

Did you get them from some liberal rag, too?


Even a broken clock is right twice daily.


Ha-ha! But how do you know *when* it's right?

You don't, of course. Like all rightards, you only care whether it agrees
with your prejudices. If it does, you won't mention the source. If it
doesn't, the source is the only thing you'll care about.

Carry on.

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With all due respect, you are a moron. Some hunter you turned out to be,
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If Chicago's West and South sides were their own cities, they'd be
the deadliest and most violent in America

Collectively, according to a Chicago Reporter analysis,...

"The Chicago Reporter, Investigating race and poverty since 1972."

It's a liberal muckraking newspaper -- worse than the "Mainstream
Media."

I'm just curious: Why in the hell would you believe a single word they
say?

--
Ed Huntress



Stats are stats. Even liberal muckrakers would have a hard time trying
to fudge those numbers. Besides, it's mostly liberal Obama voters who
are getting shot by other liberal Obama voters. Those are the facts.



Those are the facts? Really? How do you know that? I say the people who
are shooting and getting shot are not voters. People responsible enough to
vote do not go around shooting indiscriminately. The people doing the
shooting are dirt bag gang bangers or other low life types that don't
register to vote and don't vote. Most of them are convicts or will be. So
you don't have the facts even if you have the stats. You made up the part
about them being Obama voters.

Hawke


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On 6/21/2010 6:32 PM, Ignoramus3314 wrote:
On 2010-06-22, wrote:
Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across
the city
Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who
suffered a graze
wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side
barbecue.

Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile and
inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there.

i

Yeah, and it's hard to believe so much carnage is going on in a
place where they banned virtually all guns. You would think a place
where it was against the law for anyone to own guns would be one of
the safest places in the would, wouldn't you? Unless maybe it's not
the guns that are the problem. Could that be it?

Hawke


If Chicago's West and South sides were their own cities, they'd be
the deadliest and most violent in America

Collectively, according to a Chicago Reporter analysis,...

"The Chicago Reporter, Investigating race and poverty since 1972."

It's a liberal muckraking newspaper -- worse than the "Mainstream
Media."

I'm just curious: Why in the hell would you believe a single word
they say?

--
Ed Huntress



Stats are stats. Even liberal muckrakers would have a hard time trying
to fudge those numbers.

But..but...those are LIBERAL numbers. Did you check them out?

Or do you really believe the liberal rag, no matter what they say?

Besides, it's mostly liberal Obama voters who are getting shot by
other liberal Obama voters. Those are the facts.

Did you get them from some liberal rag, too?


Even a broken clock is right twice daily.


Ha-ha! But how do you know *when* it's right?

You don't, of course. Like all rightards, you only care whether it agrees
with your prejudices. If it does, you won't mention the source. If it
doesn't, the source is the only thing you'll care about.

Carry on.

--
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With all due respect, you are a moron.


You're trying to gin up some case against "liberal" media while
simultaneously using them as a source for your monologues.

We've had some dumb rightards here, but you're definitely a contestant for
the Blissfully Unaware right-winger award.

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On 6/22/2010 7:08 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
On Jun 22, 8:21 pm, wrote:

The problem is that liberalizing the gun laws in the areas like Chicago
won't do anything to reduce the murders and shootings. Giving everyone
the right to buy and have guns will just mean more shootings. The
problems is who lives in Chicago. It's the low class, poor people living
there who are shooting each other all the time. Changing the gun laws
won't do anything to stop that. Or course, the right thing is to let
regular people have the right to defend themselves no matter what the
outcome.



Please define "regular people."



By regular people I mean ordinary law abiding citizens. As opposed to non
regular people who are police, military, special elites like movie stars,
business moguls, and such. In the anti gun places special people are
allowed the exception to have guns to protect themselves while everyone
else, the regular people, aren't allowed to have them. The regular people
in this context are everyone legally allowed to own a firearm.

Hawke


It's Chicago. There are no regular law abiding people, they will shoot you
in the chest just to see the look on your face. As an example of what normal
in Chicago is, take a look at Chicago's finest citizens who we sent to
Washington. The Chimp, the Ballerina, and thunder thighs in the technicolor
pantsuits.

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On 6/21/2010 6:32 PM, Ignoramus3314 wrote:
On 2010-06-22, wrote:
Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the
city
Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a
graze
wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue.

Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile and
inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there.

i

Yeah, and it's hard to believe so much carnage is going on in a place
where they banned virtually all guns. You would think a place where it
was
against the law for anyone to own guns would be one of the safest places
in the would, wouldn't you? Unless maybe it's not the guns that are the
problem. Could that be it?

Hawke



If Chicago's West and South sides were their own cities, they'd be the
deadliest and most violent in America

Collectively, according to a Chicago Reporter analysis, Chicago's 11th and
15th police districts on the West Side had a higher murder rate last year
than New Orleans, the nation's deadliest city in 2009. Meanwhile, on the
South Side, collectively, the 6th and 7th districts had a higher rate of
violent crime than St. Louis, the nation's leading city for violent crime
per capita in 2009.


In 2009, the 6th, 7th, 11th and 15th police districts had the four highest
murder rates, among Chicago's 25 police districts. Those districts were
also
home to four of the city's five highest rates of violent crime.

In 2009, the 11th district--which includes West Garfield Park, most of
East
Garfield Park and portions of Austin, the Near West Side and North
Lawndale--recorded 55 murders. It was the highest one-year total for any
district in the city since the 11th district tallied 57 murders in 2003.
The
collective murder rate for the 11th and 15th police districts--about 54
murders per 100,000 residents--was higher than the 51 per 100,000 recorded
for New Orleans, the nation's leader.

On the South Side, the 6th district--which includes most of Auburn Gresham
and Chatham and portions of Greater Grand Crossing and Roseland--logged
more
than 2,700 incidents of violent crime in 2009. It was the first time in
more
than a decade that a police district other than the 7th district led the
city in violent crime. The 7th district, which sits just north of the 6th
district and includes most of Englewood and West Englewood and portions of
Greater Grand Crossing, ranked second in 2009. Collectively, the rate of
violent crime in those two districts topped 2,750 incidents per 100,000
residents, about 700 more incidents per 100,000 than St. Louis, which led
the nation in 2009.

Map created using Maptitude 5.0

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chic...n-america.html



I've driven through Chicago maybe 6 times lengthways, once by bus late
at night, and the airport maybe 4 times. That has got to be the most
freighting place I've been to. One time I took the wrong 'highway' and
ended up around your blurry No.2 hole and luckily found a gas station.
This was '79-'80 about 10 pm and there must have been a dozen black
guys spread around the fence, I pulled out a gun and walked up to the
3" of glass and paid for the gas. I surly didn't care what their gun
laws where. The bus was fun at 4 stories underground, ask ole Sarah
who was playing wood tick for a couple of hours.After her parents
showed up I went to see the "sky". The buildings just blend in with
the pitch black smog at midnight up and sideways, for a fact that is
one scary place. Bet it is 10 times as fun now.

Every time I go to Hell A I'm cautious, but Chicago beats it hands
down, I drive around NYC, never seen it.

SW


Glad you made it out of Obamaland safely.

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On 6/21/2010 6:32 PM, Ignoramus3314 wrote:
On 2010-06-22, wrote:
Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across
the city
Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who
suffered a graze
wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side
barbecue.

Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile and
inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there.

i

Yeah, and it's hard to believe so much carnage is going on in a
place where they banned virtually all guns. You would think a
place where it was against the law for anyone to own guns would be
one of the safest places in the would, wouldn't you? Unless maybe
it's not the guns that are the problem. Could that be it?

Hawke


If Chicago's West and South sides were their own cities, they'd be
the deadliest and most violent in America

Collectively, according to a Chicago Reporter analysis,...

"The Chicago Reporter, Investigating race and poverty since 1972."

It's a liberal muckraking newspaper -- worse than the "Mainstream
Media."

I'm just curious: Why in the hell would you believe a single word
they say?

--
Ed Huntress



Stats are stats. Even liberal muckrakers would have a hard time
trying to fudge those numbers.

But..but...those are LIBERAL numbers. Did you check them out?

Or do you really believe the liberal rag, no matter what they say?

Besides, it's mostly liberal Obama voters who are getting shot by
other liberal Obama voters. Those are the facts.

Did you get them from some liberal rag, too?


Even a broken clock is right twice daily.

Ha-ha! But how do you know *when* it's right?

You don't, of course. Like all rightards, you only care whether it
agrees with your prejudices. If it does, you won't mention the source.
If it doesn't, the source is the only thing you'll care about.

Carry on.

--
Ed Huntress


With all due respect, you are a moron.


You're trying to gin up some case against "liberal" media while
simultaneously using them as a source for your monologues.

We've had some dumb rightards here, but you're definitely a contestant for
the Blissfully Unaware right-winger award.

--
Ed Huntress


LOL, you trimmed out the part where I asked you to give your mommy her last
name back. Here, let me insert that back inb:

Some hunter you turned out to be, now give your mommy back her last name.



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On 6/21/2010 6:32 PM, Ignoramus3314 wrote:
On 2010-06-22, wrote:
Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across
the city
Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who
suffered a graze
wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side
barbecue.

Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile and
inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there.

i

Yeah, and it's hard to believe so much carnage is going on in a
place where they banned virtually all guns. You would think a
place where it was against the law for anyone to own guns would
be one of the safest places in the would, wouldn't you? Unless
maybe it's not the guns that are the problem. Could that be it?

Hawke


If Chicago's West and South sides were their own cities, they'd be
the deadliest and most violent in America

Collectively, according to a Chicago Reporter analysis,...

"The Chicago Reporter, Investigating race and poverty since 1972."

It's a liberal muckraking newspaper -- worse than the "Mainstream
Media."

I'm just curious: Why in the hell would you believe a single word
they say?

--
Ed Huntress



Stats are stats. Even liberal muckrakers would have a hard time
trying to fudge those numbers.

But..but...those are LIBERAL numbers. Did you check them out?

Or do you really believe the liberal rag, no matter what they say?

Besides, it's mostly liberal Obama voters who are getting shot by
other liberal Obama voters. Those are the facts.

Did you get them from some liberal rag, too?


Even a broken clock is right twice daily.

Ha-ha! But how do you know *when* it's right?

You don't, of course. Like all rightards, you only care whether it
agrees with your prejudices. If it does, you won't mention the source.
If it doesn't, the source is the only thing you'll care about.

Carry on.

--
Ed Huntress


With all due respect, you are a moron.


You're trying to gin up some case against "liberal" media while
simultaneously using them as a source for your monologues.

We've had some dumb rightards here, but you're definitely a contestant
for the Blissfully Unaware right-winger award.

--
Ed Huntress


LOL, you trimmed out the part where I asked you to give your mommy her
last name back. Here, let me insert that back inb:

Some hunter you turned out to be, now give your mommy back her last name.


Because even for you, Barfed Fly, your dumb crack was too stupid and
childish, and it would embarrass you too much. I do have some pity.

Where have you been before you dropped in here? Breeding little ones on a
pile of **** somewhere?

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On 6/21/2010 6:32 PM, Ignoramus3314 wrote:
On 2010-06-22, wrote:
Ten people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across
the city
Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who
suffered a graze
wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side
barbecue.

Chicago is overall an unpleasant place to live, very hostile
and
inconvenient. I am glad that I am not living there.

i

Yeah, and it's hard to believe so much carnage is going on in a
place where they banned virtually all guns. You would think a
place where it was against the law for anyone to own guns would
be one of the safest places in the would, wouldn't you? Unless
maybe it's not the guns that are the problem. Could that be it?

Hawke


If Chicago's West and South sides were their own cities, they'd
be the deadliest and most violent in America

Collectively, according to a Chicago Reporter analysis,...

"The Chicago Reporter, Investigating race and poverty since 1972."

It's a liberal muckraking newspaper -- worse than the "Mainstream
Media."

I'm just curious: Why in the hell would you believe a single word
they say?

--
Ed Huntress



Stats are stats. Even liberal muckrakers would have a hard time
trying to fudge those numbers.

But..but...those are LIBERAL numbers. Did you check them out?

Or do you really believe the liberal rag, no matter what they say?

Besides, it's mostly liberal Obama voters who are getting shot by
other liberal Obama voters. Those are the facts.

Did you get them from some liberal rag, too?


Even a broken clock is right twice daily.

Ha-ha! But how do you know *when* it's right?

You don't, of course. Like all rightards, you only care whether it
agrees with your prejudices. If it does, you won't mention the source.
If it doesn't, the source is the only thing you'll care about.

Carry on.

--
Ed Huntress


With all due respect, you are a moron.

You're trying to gin up some case against "liberal" media while
simultaneously using them as a source for your monologues.

We've had some dumb rightards here, but you're definitely a contestant
for the Blissfully Unaware right-winger award.

--
Ed Huntress


LOL, you trimmed out the part where I asked you to give your mommy her
last name back. Here, let me insert that back inb:

Some hunter you turned out to be, now give your mommy back her last name.


Because even for you, Barfed Fly, your dumb crack was too stupid and
childish, and it would embarrass you too much. I do have some pity.

Where have you been before you dropped in here? Breeding little ones on a
pile of **** somewhere?


Maybe I was wrong, maybe she's just another **** in a dress.

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On 2010-06-24, Bar Fly wrote:

LOL, you trimmed out the part where I asked you to give your mommy her last
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Some hunter you turned out to be, now give your mommy back her last name.


I am not sure what exactly is your purpose here.

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LOL, you trimmed out the part where I asked you to give your mommy her
last name back. Here, let me insert that back inb:

Some hunter you turned out to be, now give your mommy back her last
name.


Because even for you, Barfed Fly, your dumb crack was too stupid and
childish, and it would embarrass you too much. I do have some pity.

Where have you been before you dropped in here? Breeding little ones on a
pile of **** somewhere?


Maybe I was wrong, maybe she's just another **** in a dress.


Speaking of your wife?

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LOL, you trimmed out the part where I asked you to give your mommy her
last name back. Here, let me insert that back inb:

Some hunter you turned out to be, now give your mommy back her last
name.

Because even for you, Barfed Fly, your dumb crack was too stupid and
childish, and it would embarrass you too much. I do have some pity.

Where have you been before you dropped in here? Breeding little ones on
a pile of **** somewhere?


Maybe I was wrong, maybe she's just another **** in a dress.


Speaking of your wife?

--
Ed Huntress


Your mother, the hunter poseur.

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