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OT what is this strange animal in our backyard
"Ignoramus13320" wrote in message ... I think that he lives under a porch. It is furry and the size of a big cat. http://igor.chudov.com/Animal/ i Groundhog (woodchuck). http://www.frugalyankee.com/files/groundhog_main.jpg http://mypunchbowl.files.wordpress.c.../groundhog.jpg I have a recipe for woodchuck in sour cream, from the old Gourmet magazine, should you need it. g -- Ed Huntress |
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On 2010-06-18, Ed Huntress wrote:
"Ignoramus13320" wrote in message ... I think that he lives under a porch. It is furry and the size of a big cat. http://igor.chudov.com/Animal/ i Groundhog (woodchuck). http://www.frugalyankee.com/files/groundhog_main.jpg http://mypunchbowl.files.wordpress.c.../groundhog.jpg I have a recipe for woodchuck in sour cream, from the old Gourmet magazine, should you need it. g I tried eating squirrel, it was disgusting. I prefer chicken. i |
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"Ignoramus13320" wrote in message ... On 2010-06-18, Ed Huntress wrote: "Ignoramus13320" wrote in message ... I think that he lives under a porch. It is furry and the size of a big cat. http://igor.chudov.com/Animal/ i Groundhog (woodchuck). http://www.frugalyankee.com/files/groundhog_main.jpg http://mypunchbowl.files.wordpress.c.../groundhog.jpg I have a recipe for woodchuck in sour cream, from the old Gourmet magazine, should you need it. g I tried eating squirrel, it was disgusting. I prefer chicken. i I remember that you said that. You just need better recipes. d8-) As for whether it's a "bad animal," the biggest problem they cause is that they dig some God-awful holes and tunnels. If he's living under your porch (is that what I read?), expect his main hole to be somewhere under there. Look for a little hill of dirt alongside the hole. Then there may be another hole into the tunnel, if he's had enough time to dig it. I have a lot of them; they dig up into the dirt floor of my garage. I also have a huge, single-ended Havahart trap that I use to catch them. Bait with a slice of apple. Then I haul them to a county park where the local animal-control people told me to take them. There must be a 'chuck every 10 feet in that park. g If you're thinking about shooting them with your air rifle, I'd advise against it. They are remarkably tough and difficult to kill. A .22 Long Rifle is considered inadequate, except with a head shot. I've killed well over 200 of them, with centerfire .22-caliber varmint rifles. In fact, woodchucks are the target which many of those wildcat cartridges were designed for. -- Ed Huntress |
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"William Wixon" wrote in message ... "Ignoramus13320" wrote in message ... On 2010-06-18, Ed Huntress wrote: "Ignoramus13320" wrote in message ... I think that he lives under a porch. It is furry and the size of a big cat. http://igor.chudov.com/Animal/ i Groundhog (woodchuck). http://www.frugalyankee.com/files/groundhog_main.jpg http://mypunchbowl.files.wordpress.c.../groundhog.jpg I have a recipe for woodchuck in sour cream, from the old Gourmet magazine, should you need it. g I tried eating squirrel, it was disgusting. I prefer chicken. i a few weeks ago i came across a dead rabbit on the road. he was still warm. i brought him home and did a google search on how to gut and skin a rabbit. i was afraid i'd be too disgusted to do it but i did do it, wasn't as bad as i feared (was afraid i'd be so disgusted i'd vomit and not be able to finish). somehow it reminded me of processing a mango. well, so, i followed the directions i found on-line. the guy said to boil it for an hour or two. did. i found the meat to have a disgusting aroma. i couldn't get myself to even put a tiny bit in my mouth to taste it. my hands (and all the utensils, pots, etc.) were INFUSED with that same disgusting aroma (from the fat/oil of the rabbit) it took HOURS for that smell to fade from my hands. i was afraid "what, if i've got this disgusting smell INFUSED into my skin just touching it i can't imagine what it'll be like to put it inside me". was a shame to let that meat (and effort) to go to waste but i buried the meat in my garden. i wondered if perhaps it might've been due to some internal organ being crushed and it's fluids expelled into the rabbit. i wonder if ordinarily rabbit meat is as palatable "as chicken". i'd like to see ed's woodchuck recipe. i've got lots of woodchucks. (and yes, i put a fence around my garden after one of the early years having a woodchuck DEVASTATE my young brussels sprouts and broccoli plants. that's when i learned crucifers are EXCELLENT woodchuck bait for my havahart trap. b.w. My _Gourmet_ series is in my attic, but this is almost the same recipe: http://www.justgamerecipes.com/print...t-0015944.html What they don't tell you is that you MUST remove the musk glands behind the legs, and do it carefully. I haven't skinned one in 40 years so I can't help you there. Maybe someone else here can help. If you break the musk glands, throw the chuck away. About your rabbit: It normally has no real aroma when raw, maybe something like chicken. Cooked, it has a mild flavor with a slight gamey "tang." Recipes that contain some vinegar or other acid, such as the lemon juice in many hassenpfeffer recipes, eliminate the tang. You had one bad rabbit. I've eaten at least 100 cottontails, and they are delicious. Cleaning small game is not for the squeamish. It helps to have started doing it before age 10. g The neat way to gut a rabbit is to slit him from anus to upper chest (near the throat); grab the two front legs in one hand and the rear legs in the other; turn him so the slit is facing away from you; swing him back over your head; and "flip" or "snap" him forward, like a soccer-ball throw-in. The guts go flying. Do not do this in the house. d8-) -- Ed Huntress |
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On Jun 18, 12:27*pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
... If you're thinking about shooting them with your air rifle, I'd advise against it. They are remarkably tough and difficult to kill. A .22 Long Rifle is considered inadequate, except with a head shot.... Ed Huntress They have a huge wet-food-filled gut that absorbs a .22 bullet. When they run away from you that's the only target. http://www.tractorsupply.com/agricul...-animal-traps/ I bought the small + medium set last year to trap a similar-sized possum. That is a decent price and they were made well enough to work without binding, after a little tweaking of the release. The wire handles need padding, my hand hurt after marching it a few miles out into the woods to release it. It didn't come back. jsw |
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On 2010-06-18, Ed Huntress wrote:
"Ignoramus13320" wrote in message ... On 2010-06-18, Ed Huntress wrote: "Ignoramus13320" wrote in message ... I think that he lives under a porch. It is furry and the size of a big cat. http://igor.chudov.com/Animal/ i Groundhog (woodchuck). http://www.frugalyankee.com/files/groundhog_main.jpg http://mypunchbowl.files.wordpress.c.../groundhog.jpg I have a recipe for woodchuck in sour cream, from the old Gourmet magazine, should you need it. g I tried eating squirrel, it was disgusting. I prefer chicken. i I remember that you said that. You just need better recipes. d8-) As for whether it's a "bad animal," the biggest problem they cause is that they dig some God-awful holes and tunnels. If he's living under your porch (is that what I read?), expect his main hole to be somewhere under there. Look for a little hill of dirt alongside the hole. Then there may be another hole into the tunnel, if he's had enough time to dig it. I have a lot of them; they dig up into the dirt floor of my garage. I also have a huge, single-ended Havahart trap that I use to catch them. Bait with a slice of apple. Then I haul them to a county park where the local animal-control people told me to take them. There must be a 'chuck every 10 feet in that park. g If you're thinking about shooting them with your air rifle, I'd advise against it. They are remarkably tough and difficult to kill. A .22 Long Rifle is considered inadequate, except with a head shot. I've killed well over 200 of them, with centerfire .22-caliber varmint rifles. In fact, woodchucks are the target which many of those wildcat cartridges were designed for. I cannot use anything bigger (louder) than .22. Sounds like havahart is the way to go. i |
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On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 12:36:05 -0500, "William Wixon"
wrote: "Ignoramus13320" wrote in message ... On 2010-06-18, Ed Huntress wrote: "Ignoramus13320" wrote in message ... I think that he lives under a porch. It is furry and the size of a big cat. http://igor.chudov.com/Animal/ i Groundhog (woodchuck). http://www.frugalyankee.com/files/groundhog_main.jpg http://mypunchbowl.files.wordpress.c.../groundhog.jpg I have a recipe for woodchuck in sour cream, from the old Gourmet magazine, should you need it. g I tried eating squirrel, it was disgusting. I prefer chicken. i a few weeks ago i came across a dead rabbit on the road. he was still warm. i brought him home and did a google search on how to gut and skin a rabbit. i was afraid i'd be too disgusted to do it but i did do it, wasn't as bad as i feared (was afraid i'd be so disgusted i'd vomit and not be able to finish). somehow it reminded me of processing a mango. well, so, i followed the directions i found on-line. the guy said to boil it for an hour or two. did. i found the meat to have a disgusting aroma. i couldn't get myself to even put a tiny bit in my mouth to taste it. my hands (and all the utensils, pots, etc.) were INFUSED with that same disgusting aroma (from the fat/oil of the rabbit) it took HOURS for that smell to fade from my hands. i was afraid "what, if i've got this disgusting smell INFUSED into my skin just touching it i can't imagine what it'll be like to put it inside me". was a shame to let that meat (and effort) to go to waste but i buried the meat in my garden. i wondered if perhaps it might've been due to some internal organ being crushed and it's fluids expelled into the rabbit. i wonder if ordinarily rabbit meat is as palatable "as chicken". i'd like to see ed's woodchuck recipe. i've got lots of woodchucks. (and yes, i put a fence around my garden after one of the early years having a woodchuck DEVASTATE my young brussels sprouts and broccoli plants. that's when i learned crucifers are EXCELLENT woodchuck bait for my havahart trap. b.w. Yeah, if you break their bladder (urine or gall), it'll taint the meat. The urinary bladder on a rabbit is extremely thin. I think swamp rabbits and cottontails eat fine. And if it isn't a "blue boy", just fry it. Old rabbits with well used muscle tissue are a dark purple color (hence blue boy), and just about require pressure cooking or long cooking times. Same for most other critters, the young ones taste better. I've eaten raccoon and armadillo, never possum. Too greasy. And I won't eat armadillo any more since a certain percentage carry leprosy. Pete Keillor |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... snip Cleaning small game is not for the squeamish. It helps to have started doing it before age 10. g The neat way to gut a rabbit is to slit him from anus to upper chest (near the throat); grab the two front legs in one hand and the rear legs in the other; turn him so the slit is facing away from you; swing him back over your head; and "flip" or "snap" him forward, like a soccer-ball throw-in. The guts go flying. Do not do this in the house. d8-) WHOOPS! I almost forgot -- Don't let go of the legs! -- Ed Huntress |
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"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message ... On Jun 18, 12:27 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote: ... If you're thinking about shooting them with your air rifle, I'd advise against it. They are remarkably tough and difficult to kill. A .22 Long Rifle is considered inadequate, except with a head shot.... Ed Huntress They have a huge wet-food-filled gut that absorbs a .22 bullet. When they run away from you that's the only target. http://www.tractorsupply.com/agricul...-animal-traps/ I bought the small + medium set last year to trap a similar-sized possum. That is a decent price and they were made well enough to work without binding, after a little tweaking of the release. The wire handles need padding, my hand hurt after marching it a few miles out into the woods to release it. It didn't come back. jsw If you trap and release a young one, and his mother is still around, she will whistle him back -- sometimes from a couple of miles away. You really have to move them out. -- Ed Huntress |
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On Jun 18, 12:50*pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
... ...The neat way to gut a rabbit is to slit him from anus to upper chest (near the throat); grab the two front legs in one hand and the rear legs in the other; turn him so the slit is facing away from you; swing him back over your head; and "flip" or "snap" him forward, like a soccer-ball throw-in. The guts go flying. Do not do this in the house. d8-) Ed Huntress Sounds like you didn't grow up overly confined by 'civilization' either. My buddy across the street had miles of woods beyond his back yard, and we knew every inch of them, including where the cop hid his stash. When he trapped and I helped skin we'd throw the muskrat guts over the wall. Somehow they were always gone next morning. jsw |
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"Ignoramus13320" wrote in message ... On 2010-06-18, Ed Huntress wrote: "Ignoramus13320" wrote in message ... On 2010-06-18, Ed Huntress wrote: "Ignoramus13320" wrote in message ... I think that he lives under a porch. It is furry and the size of a big cat. http://igor.chudov.com/Animal/ i Groundhog (woodchuck). http://www.frugalyankee.com/files/groundhog_main.jpg http://mypunchbowl.files.wordpress.c.../groundhog.jpg I have a recipe for woodchuck in sour cream, from the old Gourmet magazine, should you need it. g I tried eating squirrel, it was disgusting. I prefer chicken. i I remember that you said that. You just need better recipes. d8-) As for whether it's a "bad animal," the biggest problem they cause is that they dig some God-awful holes and tunnels. If he's living under your porch (is that what I read?), expect his main hole to be somewhere under there. Look for a little hill of dirt alongside the hole. Then there may be another hole into the tunnel, if he's had enough time to dig it. I have a lot of them; they dig up into the dirt floor of my garage. I also have a huge, single-ended Havahart trap that I use to catch them. Bait with a slice of apple. Then I haul them to a county park where the local animal-control people told me to take them. There must be a 'chuck every 10 feet in that park. g If you're thinking about shooting them with your air rifle, I'd advise against it. They are remarkably tough and difficult to kill. A .22 Long Rifle is considered inadequate, except with a head shot. I've killed well over 200 of them, with centerfire .22-caliber varmint rifles. In fact, woodchucks are the target which many of those wildcat cartridges were designed for. I cannot use anything bigger (louder) than .22. Sounds like havahart is the way to go. i Make sure it's a BIG one. They don't like to be crowded. I have a 1079, which also is good for trapping stray cats and raccoons. You can get away with one that's slightly smaller. Or, if you have a tablesaw, find a plan for a wooden box trap online and make it a project with your son. My son was about 9 or 10 when we made one. He loved it. He caught four or five squirrels with it and was the big man of the neighborhood. g Unfortunately, chucks don't seem to like wooden traps with solid sides. I made ours with slatted sides, having been through that before. It worked fine on chucks but it was a lot of ripping with the tablesaw. I screwed it together with deck screws and it held up for years. Then someone gave me the Havahart and that's what I use now. -- Ed Huntress |
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"Ignoramus13320" wrote in message ... On 2010-06-18, Ed Huntress wrote: "Ignoramus13320" wrote in message ... I think that he lives under a porch. It is furry and the size of a big cat. http://igor.chudov.com/Animal/ i Groundhog (woodchuck). http://www.frugalyankee.com/files/groundhog_main.jpg http://mypunchbowl.files.wordpress.c.../groundhog.jpg I have a recipe for woodchuck in sour cream, from the old Gourmet magazine, should you need it. g I tried eating squirrel, it was disgusting. I prefer chicken. i a few weeks ago i came across a dead rabbit on the road. he was still warm. i brought him home and did a google search on how to gut and skin a rabbit. i was afraid i'd be too disgusted to do it but i did do it, wasn't as bad as i feared (was afraid i'd be so disgusted i'd vomit and not be able to finish). somehow it reminded me of processing a mango. well, so, i followed the directions i found on-line. the guy said to boil it for an hour or two. did. i found the meat to have a disgusting aroma. i couldn't get myself to even put a tiny bit in my mouth to taste it. my hands (and all the utensils, pots, etc.) were INFUSED with that same disgusting aroma (from the fat/oil of the rabbit) it took HOURS for that smell to fade from my hands. i was afraid "what, if i've got this disgusting smell INFUSED into my skin just touching it i can't imagine what it'll be like to put it inside me". was a shame to let that meat (and effort) to go to waste but i buried the meat in my garden. i wondered if perhaps it might've been due to some internal organ being crushed and it's fluids expelled into the rabbit. i wonder if ordinarily rabbit meat is as palatable "as chicken". i'd like to see ed's woodchuck recipe. i've got lots of woodchucks. (and yes, i put a fence around my garden after one of the early years having a woodchuck DEVASTATE my young brussels sprouts and broccoli plants. that's when i learned crucifers are EXCELLENT woodchuck bait for my havahart trap. b.w. |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... Cleaning small game is not for the squeamish. It helps to have started doing it before age 10. g The neat way to gut a rabbit is to slit him from anus to upper chest (near the throat); grab the two front legs in one hand and the rear legs in the other; turn him so the slit is facing away from you; swing him back over your head; and "flip" or "snap" him forward, like a soccer-ball throw-in. The guts go flying. Do not do this in the house. d8-) -- Ed Huntress We went to members night at the Field Museum and one of the must see sections is the Mammal Prep Lab. The always have a half dozen people in there skinning something. I had several nieces and nephews in tow (ages 7-12) and we were all watching a young female intern peeling a fisher. "That's disgusting" my nieces said. I said, "It's not so bad. It's like changing diapers. It's pretty gross for the first few, but after that it's just work" In unison, all the museum staff nodded their heads and said, "That's it exactly" Paul K. Dickman |
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On 6/18/2010 9:20 AM, Ignoramus13320 wrote:
On 2010-06-18, Ed wrote: id wrote in message ... I think that he lives under a porch. It is furry and the size of a big cat. http://igor.chudov.com/Animal/ i Groundhog (woodchuck). http://www.frugalyankee.com/files/groundhog_main.jpg http://mypunchbowl.files.wordpress.c.../groundhog.jpg I have a recipe for woodchuck in sour cream, from the old Gourmet magazine, should you need it.g I tried eating squirrel, it was disgusting. I prefer chicken. i Funny you mention squirrel. A guy I know from my gun club was telling me a couple of weeks ago that he eats squirrel. I was surprised. He told me he makes a shepard's pie and used squirrel meat in it. I didn't say much about it to him but I was amazed that anyone actually ate squirrel these days. I'd heard of it in the olden days from hillbillies and such but not today. He also said he went on rabbit hunting trips and killed up to 100 rabbits. This guy grew up in the boonies and was a real cowboy when he was a young man so I can understand where he learned this stuff. It just goes to show you that you never know what other people are up to. Eating squirrels? That sounds like something Gummer would do. Hawke |
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"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message ... On Jun 18, 12:50 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote: ... ...The neat way to gut a rabbit is to slit him from anus to upper chest (near the throat); grab the two front legs in one hand and the rear legs in the other; turn him so the slit is facing away from you; swing him back over your head; and "flip" or "snap" him forward, like a soccer-ball throw-in. The guts go flying. Do not do this in the house. d8-) Ed Huntress Sounds like you didn't grow up overly confined by 'civilization' either. Nope. In PA, I could walk out my back door before school with a shotgun or rifle, and have my choice (in seasons) of rabbits, quail, ducks, or squirrels, all within 200 yards. We had woods, a field, and a pond within that range. I could walk home from school with a deer rifle and hunt all the way to the back of my house -- about four miles. The rifle was kept in the athletic director's locker during the day, and he'd return our cartridges from his desk drawer when we left school. I was 14 at that time. My buddy across the street had miles of woods beyond his back yard, and we knew every inch of them, including where the cop hid his stash. When he trapped and I helped skin we'd throw the muskrat guts over the wall. Somehow they were always gone next morning. I'd throw them into a dump. I was feeding the weasels, which I also trapped -- at age 11. In winter, they were half-ermine: brown and white patches. Life sure was different 50 years ago... -- Ed Huntress |
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"Paul K. Dickman" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... Cleaning small game is not for the squeamish. It helps to have started doing it before age 10. g The neat way to gut a rabbit is to slit him from anus to upper chest (near the throat); grab the two front legs in one hand and the rear legs in the other; turn him so the slit is facing away from you; swing him back over your head; and "flip" or "snap" him forward, like a soccer-ball throw-in. The guts go flying. Do not do this in the house. d8-) -- Ed Huntress We went to members night at the Field Museum and one of the must see sections is the Mammal Prep Lab. The always have a half dozen people in there skinning something. I had several nieces and nephews in tow (ages 7-12) and we were all watching a young female intern peeling a fisher. "That's disgusting" my nieces said. I said, "It's not so bad. It's like changing diapers. It's pretty gross for the first few, but after that it's just work" In unison, all the museum staff nodded their heads and said, "That's it exactly" Paul K. Dickman Right! Good comparison. I eventually could change a diaper while drinking a cup of coffee. It just requires a careful touch. d8-) -- Ed Huntress |
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"Hawke" wrote in message ... On 6/18/2010 9:20 AM, Ignoramus13320 wrote: On 2010-06-18, Ed wrote: id wrote in message ... I think that he lives under a porch. It is furry and the size of a big cat. http://igor.chudov.com/Animal/ i Groundhog (woodchuck). http://www.frugalyankee.com/files/groundhog_main.jpg http://mypunchbowl.files.wordpress.c.../groundhog.jpg I have a recipe for woodchuck in sour cream, from the old Gourmet magazine, should you need it.g I tried eating squirrel, it was disgusting. I prefer chicken. i Funny you mention squirrel. A guy I know from my gun club was telling me a couple of weeks ago that he eats squirrel. I was surprised. He told me he makes a shepard's pie and used squirrel meat in it. I didn't say much about it to him but I was amazed that anyone actually ate squirrel these days. I'd heard of it in the olden days from hillbillies and such but not today. This hillbilly still eats them. I fry the young ones with rosemary and scallion or chives, and either braise the older ones or make a Brunswick Stew -- the real original recipe, with squirrel. He also said he went on rabbit hunting trips and killed up to 100 rabbits. This guy grew up in the boonies and was a real cowboy when he was a young man so I can understand where he learned this stuff. It just goes to show you that you never know what other people are up to. Eating squirrels? That sounds like something Gummer would do. Me, too. They're delicious. The young ones are a lot like rabbit; the older ones taste like turkey dark meat. Iggy just did something wrong. d8-) -- Ed Huntress |
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On Jun 18, 1:42*pm, Hawke wrote:
... Eating squirrels? That sounds like something Gummer would do. Hawke Squirrels earned their own class of rifles: http://www.donstith.com/hawken_squirrel.html They and rabbits are the only plentiful daytime animals worth eating and too stupid or self-confident to hide from us. I can sometimes see a chipmunk further away than a deer, because deer freeze and blend in very well. There is a game park at Stone Mountain GA with tame deer wandering around under the pine trees. When they lie down they vanish in plain sight, the hair looks just like pine needles. The easiest way to find one is to look for the flies,above them, then the nose and eyes and ears. jsw |
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On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 11:56:15 -0500, Ignoramus13320
wrote: I've killed well over 200 of them, with centerfire .22-caliber varmint rifles. In fact, woodchucks are the target which many of those wildcat cartridges were designed for. I cannot use anything bigger (louder) than .22. Actually... you can if you only shoot (1) time. Seldom is a single gunshot reported, or even noted. Go out and lift your hood on your vehicle, then get out the ordinance, aim well and fire a single shot. Anyone who is interested enough will see the hood up on your vehicle and think it was a back fire.. Unless someone actually sees you with a weapon...most places its the last thing they think of when they hear a Bang. I worked an investigation many years ago, where a guy sucked on the end of his Garand, while sitting in his backyard. The only way it was noticed was the string of vultures that were landing and taking off from the wood fenced back yard , in a well built up housing tract. That was a rather grim scene, made a few of the duputies barf really good. Buzzards have rather unseemly dining habits.....shrug. And the guy had been dead about 5 days in the California heat..... On the other hand...."sound deadning devices" can be fabricated quickly and easily from a host of disposable consumer items and used for a couple shots. The 2 liter bottle taped to the end of a 22lr is one of the most common. Gunner One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. Gunner Asch |
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On 2010-06-18, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 11:56:15 -0500, Ignoramus13320 wrote: I've killed well over 200 of them, with centerfire .22-caliber varmint rifles. In fact, woodchucks are the target which many of those wildcat cartridges were designed for. I cannot use anything bigger (louder) than .22. Actually... you can if you only shoot (1) time. Seldom is a single gunshot reported, or even noted. Go out and lift your hood on your vehicle, then get out the ordinance, aim well and fire a single shot. Anyone who is interested enough will see the hood up on your vehicle and think it was a back fire.. Unless someone actually sees you with a weapon...most places its the last thing they think of when they hear a Bang. I worked an investigation many years ago, where a guy sucked on the end of his Garand, while sitting in his backyard. The only way it was noticed was the string of vultures that were landing and taking off from the wood fenced back yard , in a well built up housing tract. That was a rather grim scene, made a few of the duputies barf really good. Buzzards have rather unseemly dining habits.....shrug. And the guy had been dead about 5 days in the California heat..... On the other hand...."sound deadning devices" can be fabricated quickly and easily from a host of disposable consumer items and used for a couple shots. The 2 liter bottle taped to the end of a 22lr is one of the most common. All of my guns are far louder than really is sensible for the situation. Plus the ricochet issue in a suburb. I do not own a .22. I visited a gun dealer recently and saw no .22 rifles cheaper than $200, WTF? Anyway, I have a 1000 fps air rifle, which works great against squirrels (really great!), but it looks like it is not enough for this woodchuck. i |
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"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message ... http://www.tractorsupply.com/agricul...-animal-traps/ I bought the small + medium set last year to trap a similar-sized possum. That is a decent price and they were made well enough to work without binding, after a little tweaking of the release. The wire handles need padding, my hand hurt after marching it a few miles out into the woods to release it. It didn't come back. jsw The last time I trapped a raccoon in the shop and took him for a ride it took him two busses and a taxi to get back three days later. |
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On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 13:29:29 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: "Ignoramus13320" wrote in message m... Sounds like havahart is the way to go. i Make sure it's a BIG one. A reminder about live traps - rig a remote release in case it traps something you don't want ... like a skunk. :-) Wayne |
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On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 11:02:02 -0700 (PDT), Jim Wilkins
wrote: On Jun 18, 1:42*pm, Hawke wrote: ... Eating squirrels? That sounds like something Gummer would do. Hawke Squirrels earned their own class of rifles: http://www.donstith.com/hawken_squirrel.html They and rabbits are the only plentiful daytime animals worth eating and too stupid or self-confident to hide from us. I can sometimes see a chipmunk further away than a deer, because deer freeze and blend in very well. There is a game park at Stone Mountain GA with tame deer wandering around under the pine trees. When they lie down they vanish in plain sight, the hair looks just like pine needles. The easiest way to find one is to look for the flies,above them, then the nose and eyes and ears. jsw Actually, when I shoot a squirrel...there really isnt a hell of a lot left to eat. The California Cat Squirrel is considered a varmint, is often tick and flea infested and while fun to shoot at long ranges with a decent varmint rifle..is hardly something one wishes to eat. Youtube has plenty of 22-250 vrs Squirrel videos. Gunner One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. Gunner Asch |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 13:29:29 -0400, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "Ignoramus13320" wrote in message om... Sounds like havahart is the way to go. i Make sure it's a BIG one. A reminder about live traps - rig a remote release in case it traps something you don't want ... like a skunk. :-) Wayne Oh, boy, do I have a story about that. g I had to forge a hook on the end of a LONG stick (actually, two 11' surf rods taped together) when that unfortunate circumstance occurred. I wrapped myself in a plastic drop cloth before getting that close. That was for my wooden box trap. If I'd caught one in the Havahart (spring-loaded door, with a latch) I think I would have just kept him in there as a pet and fed him with the surf rods... Then there was the time I was sitting in the back yard late at night, drinking a beer, when a skunk moseyed up and laid down under my chair. I didn't see him until he was about five feet away, so I couldn't scoot. I set a new record, I'm sure, for holding my breath... The skunks are gone from here now, for some unknown reason. But I used to tell my wife that if our town didn't have a name, we'd have to call it "Skunktown." -- Ed Huntress |
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On Jun 18, 2:15*pm, Ignoramus13320 ignoramus13...@NOSPAM.
13320.invalid wrote: ... Anyway, I have a 1000 fps air rifle, which works great against squirrels (really great!), but it looks like it is not enough for this woodchuck. i It should be plenty for a brain shot with heavier pointed pellets if the twitchy critter will stay still long enough. Google "woodchuck skull", there isn't one outstanding reference to quote but you can see how little of its head contains anything important, the aim point relative to the eyes, and that a side shot is better than a frontal one for an airgun. jsw |
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On Jun 18, 2:38*pm, "Buerste" wrote:
... The last time I trapped a raccoon in the shop and took him for a ride it took him two busses and a taxi to get back three days later. Catch and release laws, huh? If you staple a brightly colored tag to its ear it will be easier to recognize next time. |
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Jim Wilkins wrote: On Jun 18, 2:38 pm, "Buerste" wrote: ... The last time I trapped a raccoon in the shop and took him for a ride it took him two busses and a taxi to get back three days later. Catch and release laws, huh? He thought it was a 'Usenet Weasel'. ;-) If you staple a brightly colored tag to its ear it will be easier to recognize next time. -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge. |
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If you staple a brightly colored tag to its ear it will be easier to
recognize next time. I'll make you a deal. I'll catch a few NJ-born and bread Raccoons and *you* can try to get that tag on their ear. I swear the one we had at my last place was a small bear. It would take him a while to squeeze himself down the sewer at the street and he could easily look *into* standing garbage cans that were larger than those galvanized steel (on topic!) ones. True story - one that my wife makes me feel bad about all the time... I put the garbage cans below my office at home about a year ago. The office is on the 2nd floor. When the raccoons would "visit" I would go into the office, open the window and try to scare them away. Once they got used to it, I started dropping things on them. Folding chairs, combination locks... Basically anything I could find. They came back a few minutes later EVERY time. ....Until I bought a 25 lb. dumbell from the local sporting goods store. ....IO swear, they never showed up again and I kept that thing there by my desk until we recently moved. I'm still amazed that a folding chair from 16+ feet up, landing squarely on a raccoon's head and back didn't chase them off for more than a few minutes. I guess our garbage was top shelf stuff! Regards, Joe Agro, Jr. (800) 871-5022 01.908.542.0244 Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com Production Tapping: http://Production-Tapping-Equipment.com/ Flagship Site: http://www.Drill-N-Tap.com VIDEOS: http://www.youtube.com/user/AutoDrill V8013-R |
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On Jun 18, 2:42*pm, wrote:
... A reminder about live traps - *rig a remote release in case it traps something you don't want ... like a skunk. *:-) Wayne They can't spray through the solid door. I tape over the latch slot from the inside anyway to keep mice and chipmunks from squeezing out. Approach behind a trash bag and drop it over the trap. If you expect a skunk you could put clear plastic over the trap. Some burrowing animals will scoot into a dark bag or tied-off pant leg pulled over the end of the trap when you open that door. jsw |
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On 2010-06-18, Joe AutoDrill wrote:
If you staple a brightly colored tag to its ear it will be easier to recognize next time. I'll make you a deal. I'll catch a few NJ-born and bread Raccoons and *you* can try to get that tag on their ear. I swear the one we had at my last place was a small bear. It would take him a while to squeeze himself down the sewer at the street and he could easily look *into* standing garbage cans that were larger than those galvanized steel (on topic!) ones. True story - one that my wife makes me feel bad about all the time... I put the garbage cans below my office at home about a year ago. The office is on the 2nd floor. When the raccoons would "visit" I would go into the office, open the window and try to scare them away. Once they got used to it, I started dropping things on them. Folding chairs, combination locks... Basically anything I could find. They came back a few minutes later EVERY time. ...Until I bought a 25 lb. dumbell from the local sporting goods store. ...IO swear, they never showed up again and I kept that thing there by my desk until we recently moved. I'm still amazed that a folding chair from 16+ feet up, landing squarely on a raccoon's head and back didn't chase them off for more than a few minutes. I guess our garbage was top shelf stuff! I shot a raccoon with an air rifle once (that 1000 fps one). He never showed up again. Later others started coming. i |
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I shot a raccoon with an air rifle once (that 1000 fps one).
I had a Benjamin air rifle at one point... I think it was either 780 or 970 fps... That thing was fun and looked like a shotgun. However, with it's rifled barrel, it's licensed the same as a "real" gun here in NJ. I'd be more likely to get wawy with a 1/4 stick of dyno than an air rifle in my old town too... Don't ask how I know that one. -- Regards, Joe Agro, Jr. (800) 871-5022 01.908.542.0244 Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com Production Tapping: http://Production-Tapping-Equipment.com/ Flagship Site: http://www.Drill-N-Tap.com VIDEOS: http://www.youtube.com/user/AutoDrill V8013-R |
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On 2010-06-18, Joe AutoDrill wrote:
I shot a raccoon with an air rifle once (that 1000 fps one). I had a Benjamin air rifle at one point... I think it was either 780 or 970 fps... That thing was fun and looked like a shotgun. However, with it's rifled barrel, it's licensed the same as a "real" gun here in NJ. I'd be more likely to get wawy with a 1/4 stick of dyno than an air rifle in my old town too... Don't ask how I know that one. I have no choice but to ask! i |
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I have no choice but to ask!
LOL. I'll have video on YouTube in a few weeks if my domicile move goes as planned. Ask me then and I'll show you proof. Let's just say it involved the only misfire of a home made cannon I ever experienced and it saved the life of a human being in the process. Regards, Joe Agro, Jr. (800) 871-5022 01.908.542.0244 Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com Production Tapping: http://Production-Tapping-Equipment.com/ Flagship Site: http://www.Drill-N-Tap.com VIDEOS: http://www.youtube.com/user/AutoDrill V8013-R |
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Ignoramus13320 wrote:
All of my guns are far louder than really is sensible for the situation. Plus the ricochet issue in a suburb. I do not own a .22. I visited a gun dealer recently and saw no .22 rifles cheaper than $200, WTF? Perhaps the price would seem more reasonable if you purchase it to both ruin your rodent and use to take your son to a range to target shoot. Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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On Jun 18, 1:10*pm, Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Jun 18, 2:38*pm, "Buerste" wrote: ... The last time I trapped a raccoon in the shop and took him for a ride it took him two busses and a taxi to get back three days later. Catch and release laws, huh? If you staple a brightly colored tag to its ear it will be easier to recognize next time. Bright orange spray paint on the back works, too, and can be done through the trap mesh. My sister was trapping and transporting coons that wanted all of her sweet corn. Had several repeaters, those were eventually given a shot of lead instead of paint. Picked up over 30 that one year. Eventually, the b-in-law came up with an electric fence plan that took care of the large AND small critters, kept the deer out, too. Their barn cats managed to find a way in, though, and got stuck. Mostly rural states have depredation laws, if wild critters are found munching crops or livestock, they can be dealt with on the spot with whatever means is to hand. Stan |
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On Jun 18, 2:28*pm, Wes wrote:
Ignoramus13320 wrote: All of my guns are far louder than really is sensible for the situation. Plus the ricochet issue in a suburb. I do not own a .22. I visited a gun dealer recently and saw no .22 rifles cheaper than $200, WTF? Perhaps the price would seem more reasonable if you purchase it to both ruin your rodent and use to take your son to a range to target shoot. Wes Not a lot of what used to be called "boy's rifles" out there, all the boys have grown up and the manufacturers are going after thicker wallets now. You can still find some used bolts cheap at pawn shops and there's the Chipmunk and relatives for the younger set. Cheapest new full-size bolt .22 is either a Marlin or a Savage and runs about $150 on sale at Big 5. For in-town use, I'd recommend one of the more potent air rifles, you can still get a good springer for under $120. That should take care of most anything up to rabbit size with proper shot placement. Ammo is a hell of a lot cheaper than .22s, too. Stan |
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On 6/18/2010 12:56 PM, Ignoramus13320 wrote:
Sounds like havahart is the way to go. A word of warning: In most places it is illegal to possess a "wild" animal. My Dad was threatened with a summons by a state cop who drove up as Dad was releasing a groundhog in a wooded park. He could have shot it legally. Welcome to civilization. Kevin Gallimore |
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"axolotl" wrote in message ... On 6/18/2010 12:56 PM, Ignoramus13320 wrote: Sounds like havahart is the way to go. A word of warning: In most places it is illegal to possess a "wild" animal. My Dad was threatened with a summons by a state cop who drove up as Dad was releasing a groundhog in a wooded park. He could have shot it legally. Welcome to civilization. Kevin Gallimore The same is true here, unless you get approval from the animal control officials first. All it takes is a phone call here. -- Ed Huntress |
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On 2010-06-18, axolotl wrote:
On 6/18/2010 12:56 PM, Ignoramus13320 wrote: Sounds like havahart is the way to go. A word of warning: In most places it is illegal to possess a "wild" animal. My Dad was threatened with a summons by a state cop who drove up as Dad was releasing a groundhog in a wooded park. He could have shot it legally. I do not want to traumatize my kids, they are too impressionable. And it is illegal; for me to shoot guns in my backyard. i Welcome to civilization. Kevin Gallimore |
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Wes wrote:
Ignoramus13320 wrote: All of my guns are far louder than really is sensible for the situation. Plus the ricochet issue in a suburb. I do not own a .22. I visited a gun dealer recently and saw no .22 rifles cheaper than $200, WTF? Academy has a Savage semi-auto on sale now for $99.95 |
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