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just witnessed this and thought it was funny and wanted to tell you
guys about it. i unscrewed/removed the brass valve off three barbecue
size propane tanks. i just went back out to my studio and there were
dozens of flies flying around the tanks. cracked me up. i'd read
that vultures can smell a propane leak and will circle around overhead
but i don't think i'd heard that flies also are attracted to
mercaptan. i wish i had a few sticky strips i'd hang 'em over the
tanks.

inserting an at least somewhat "on topic" comment;

i made these a couple days ago. gotta do a tire change soon and i
didn't want to spend the amount they're asking for 'em.

http://www.frontiernet.net/~wwixon/beadbuddy.jpg

this is the manufactured product.

http://www.revzilla.com/product/moti...uddy-tire-tool

i made three figuring i'd get at least ONE good one, seems as if all
three came out ok. pretty simple stuff. just wanted to put ONE "on
topic" post in amongst my many off topic ones.

b.w.

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On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:44:22 -0500, "William Wixon"
wrote:

just witnessed this and thought it was funny and wanted to tell you
guys about it. i unscrewed/removed the brass valve off three barbecue
size propane tanks. i just went back out to my studio and there were
dozens of flies flying around the tanks. cracked me up. i'd read
that vultures can smell a propane leak and will circle around overhead
but i don't think i'd heard that flies also are attracted to
mercaptan. i wish i had a few sticky strips i'd hang 'em over the
tanks.

inserting an at least somewhat "on topic" comment;

i made these a couple days ago. gotta do a tire change soon and i
didn't want to spend the amount they're asking for 'em.

http://www.frontiernet.net/~wwixon/beadbuddy.jpg

this is the manufactured product.

http://www.revzilla.com/product/moti...uddy-tire-tool

i made three figuring i'd get at least ONE good one, seems as if all
three came out ok. pretty simple stuff. just wanted to put ONE "on
topic" post in amongst my many off topic ones.

b.w.





Wow, $35.

I wouldn't doubt it, not long ago I was soldering wire together to
make the ground as long as the lines. Bees seem to love the flux and
or the burning plastic, almost to the point of flying into the flames.

SW

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"Pete Snell" wrote in message
...

Nice job. When will you testing them?

I had the pleasure of riding one of these on Wednesday.

http://www.husaberg.com/FX-450.317.13.html

Gawd! What a nice motorcycle!

Pete



thanks pete. i've got an inspection coming up, i think at the end of
the month and i'm not sure if my front tire is going to pass, so i
think i'd better get this done before the 30th. tire ("spoons") irons
are on order. i've got a yamaha TW200. never heard of a husaberg but
that's a damn nice looking motorcycle, alls it needs is a headlight,
some turn signals, stop lamp (license plate holder) and rear view
mirrors and it'd be perfect (i'm joking).

b.w.

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"William Wixon" wrote:

just witnessed this and thought it was funny and wanted to tell you
guys about it. i unscrewed/removed the brass valve off three barbecue
size propane tanks. i just went back out to my studio and there were
dozens of flies flying around the tanks. cracked me up. i'd read
that vultures can smell a propane leak and will circle around overhead
but i don't think i'd heard that flies also are attracted to
mercaptan. i wish i had a few sticky strips i'd hang 'em over the
tanks.


Considering how nasty mercaptan smells, I'm not suprized that flies are attracted to it. I
tend to connect it to a death smell.

I don't understand how your tools work, I've just used tire spoons but that was in the
tube days with wire spoked wheels.

What are you going to do with the propane tanks? Foundry shell?

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

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"Wes" wrote in message
...



Considering how nasty mercaptan smells, I'm not suprized that flies
are attracted to it. I
tend to connect it to a death smell.

I don't understand how your tools work, I've just used tire spoons
but that was in the
tube days with wire spoked wheels.

What are you going to do with the propane tanks? Foundry shell?

Wes



i did the rear tire once already (had a flat) and BUSTED MY ASS doing
it. hopefully after seeing this video and getting proper tools i'll
be easier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw0B2gIwbBg

it's a two part video, the "bead buddy" appears at 4:19 below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTatadVNA-c

apparently they use these things to keep the bead below the rim when
starting putting the tire back on.

i "adopted" 4 miles of road near me here. some asshole threw 10
propane tanks off (just inside a farmer's field entrance). the dump
won't take 'em. i've been figuring i'd unscrew the brass valve (for
scrap) and maybe cut the tanks in two (w/ plasma cutter) and take that
to the scrap man. a lot of hassle but the scrap man won't take
propane tanks. any suggestions? i don't have the capability of
crushing 'em. i wanted to poke a bunch of holes in 'em (with bullets)
but i'm pretty sure the scrap man told me his loads will be rejected
even if a propane tank is all holey.

b.w.

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On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:03:49 -0500, "William Wixon"
wrote:



i "adopted" 4 miles of road near me here. some asshole threw 10
propane tanks off (just inside a farmer's field entrance). the dump
won't take 'em. i've been figuring i'd unscrew the brass valve (for
scrap) and maybe cut the tanks in two (w/ plasma cutter) and take that
to the scrap man. a lot of hassle but the scrap man won't take
propane tanks. any suggestions?

Wood stoves...
http://www.suscom-maine.net/~nsimmon...r1981Large.jpg

I built that one ca 1981 to heat my shop.

--
Ned Simmons

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On Jun 11, 8:03*pm, "William Wixon" wrote:

i "adopted" 4 miles of road near me here. *some asshole threw 10
propane tanks off (just inside a farmer's field entrance). *the dump
won't take 'em. *i've been figuring i'd unscrew the brass valve (for
scrap) and maybe cut the tanks in two (w/ plasma cutter) and take that
to the scrap man. *a lot of hassle but the scrap man won't take
propane tanks. *any suggestions? *i don't have the capability of
crushing 'em. *i wanted to poke a bunch of holes in 'em (with bullets)
but i'm pretty sure the scrap man told me his loads will be rejected
even if a propane tank is all holey.

b.w.

Have you tried advertising them on Craigslist? One will make a good
compressed air tank. W.W. Grainger sells a air tank manifold that
will screw right in place of the valve. It is made for converting
propane tanks to air carry tanks. Useful if your air compressor is in
the basement and your truck needs air in the tires.


Dan

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On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:03:49 -0500, "William Wixon"
wrote:


"Wes" wrote in message
...



Considering how nasty mercaptan smells, I'm not suprized that flies
are attracted to it. I
tend to connect it to a death smell.

I don't understand how your tools work, I've just used tire spoons
but that was in the
tube days with wire spoked wheels.

What are you going to do with the propane tanks? Foundry shell?

Wes



i did the rear tire once already (had a flat) and BUSTED MY ASS doing
it. hopefully after seeing this video and getting proper tools i'll
be easier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw0B2gIwbBg

it's a two part video, the "bead buddy" appears at 4:19 below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTatadVNA-c

apparently they use these things to keep the bead below the rim when
starting putting the tire back on.

i "adopted" 4 miles of road near me here. some asshole threw 10
propane tanks off (just inside a farmer's field entrance). the dump
won't take 'em. i've been figuring i'd unscrew the brass valve (for
scrap) and maybe cut the tanks in two (w/ plasma cutter) and take that
to the scrap man. a lot of hassle but the scrap man won't take
propane tanks. any suggestions? i don't have the capability of
crushing 'em. i wanted to poke a bunch of holes in 'em (with bullets)
but i'm pretty sure the scrap man told me his loads will be rejected
even if a propane tank is all holey.

b.w.

Apparently, around here, propane tanks are acceptable if the valves
have been removed. I have six out in the shed that have been purged
and flushed several times to get rid of the smell then filled to 100
PSI as air pigs.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

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Gerald Miller wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:03:49 -0500, "William Wixon"
wrote:


"Wes" wrote in message
...



Considering how nasty mercaptan smells, I'm not suprized that flies
are attracted to it. I
tend to connect it to a death smell.

I don't understand how your tools work, I've just used tire spoons
but that was in the
tube days with wire spoked wheels.

What are you going to do with the propane tanks? Foundry shell?

Wes



i did the rear tire once already (had a flat) and BUSTED MY ASS doing
it. hopefully after seeing this video and getting proper tools i'll
be easier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw0B2gIwbBg

it's a two part video, the "bead buddy" appears at 4:19 below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTatadVNA-c

apparently they use these things to keep the bead below the rim when
starting putting the tire back on.

i "adopted" 4 miles of road near me here. some asshole threw 10
propane tanks off (just inside a farmer's field entrance). the dump
won't take 'em. i've been figuring i'd unscrew the brass valve (for
scrap) and maybe cut the tanks in two (w/ plasma cutter) and take that
to the scrap man. a lot of hassle but the scrap man won't take
propane tanks. any suggestions? i don't have the capability of
crushing 'em. i wanted to poke a bunch of holes in 'em (with bullets)
but i'm pretty sure the scrap man told me his loads will be rejected
even if a propane tank is all holey.

b.w.

Apparently, around here, propane tanks are acceptable if the valves
have been removed. I have six out in the shed that have been purged
and flushed several times to get rid of the smell then filled to 100
PSI as air pigs.


You don't even have to remove the valves around here. When the old
guy next door died I hauled off a bunch of propane and 'very' old
Acetylene tanks (one was over 30 years past the reinspection date and
the local welding supply places wouldn't touch them.) to the county
landfill. They had an open building for old flamables, and a contractor
who picked them up to recycle them.


--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

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On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 01:37:44 -0400, Gerald Miller
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:03:49 -0500, "William Wixon"
wrote:


"Wes" wrote in message
...



Considering how nasty mercaptan smells, I'm not suprized that flies
are attracted to it. I
tend to connect it to a death smell.

I don't understand how your tools work, I've just used tire spoons
but that was in the
tube days with wire spoked wheels.

What are you going to do with the propane tanks? Foundry shell?

Wes



i did the rear tire once already (had a flat) and BUSTED MY ASS doing
it. hopefully after seeing this video and getting proper tools i'll
be easier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw0B2gIwbBg

it's a two part video, the "bead buddy" appears at 4:19 below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTatadVNA-c

apparently they use these things to keep the bead below the rim when
starting putting the tire back on.

i "adopted" 4 miles of road near me here. some asshole threw 10
propane tanks off (just inside a farmer's field entrance). the dump
won't take 'em. i've been figuring i'd unscrew the brass valve (for
scrap) and maybe cut the tanks in two (w/ plasma cutter) and take that
to the scrap man. a lot of hassle but the scrap man won't take
propane tanks. any suggestions? i don't have the capability of
crushing 'em. i wanted to poke a bunch of holes in 'em (with bullets)
but i'm pretty sure the scrap man told me his loads will be rejected
even if a propane tank is all holey.

b.w.

Apparently, around here, propane tanks are acceptable if the valves
have been removed. I have six out in the shed that have been purged
and flushed several times to get rid of the smell then filled to 100
PSI as air pigs.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

Walmart WAS (not sure if they still are) swapping old 5 gal propane
tanks for the new style ones, for $25, including 4.5gal of propane in
the new tank.

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

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On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:44:22 -0500, "William Wixon"
wrote:

just witnessed this and thought it was funny and wanted to tell you
guys about it. i unscrewed/removed the brass valve off three barbecue
size propane tanks.

How would you seal a slow leak in a 20 Lb propane cannister that's
leaking around the threads in the valve. It seems to be a pretty slow
leak. I can smell it and spotted it with soapy water. Tightening the
valve any more doesn't seem to be an option. I tried that and at the
point that the Barbeque connection was pointing to the rear of the
collar, the threads were squeaking. To turn it any farther would
probably break off the valve.

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On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 22:37:47 -0400, GeoLane at PTD dot NET GeoLane at
PTD dot NET wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:44:22 -0500, "William Wixon"
wrote:

just witnessed this and thought it was funny and wanted to tell you
guys about it. i unscrewed/removed the brass valve off three barbecue
size propane tanks.

How would you seal a slow leak in a 20 Lb propane cannister that's
leaking around the threads in the valve. It seems to be a pretty slow
leak. I can smell it and spotted it with soapy water. Tightening the
valve any more doesn't seem to be an option. I tried that and at the
point that the Barbeque connection was pointing to the rear of the
collar, the threads were squeaking. To turn it any farther would
probably break off the valve.


VERY SIMPLE - buy a new one for ~$30
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

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GeoLane at PTD dot NET wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:44:22 -0500, "William Wixon"
wrote:

just witnessed this and thought it was funny and wanted to tell you
guys about it. i unscrewed/removed the brass valve off three barbecue
size propane tanks.

How would you seal a slow leak in a 20 Lb propane cannister that's
leaking around the threads in the valve. It seems to be a pretty slow
leak. I can smell it and spotted it with soapy water. Tightening the
valve any more doesn't seem to be an option. I tried that and at the
point that the Barbeque connection was pointing to the rear of the
collar, the threads were squeaking. To turn it any farther would
probably break off the valve.



There's an O ring around the stem, grease it w/ some silicone grease in
the groove before snapping the o ring into place.

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Gerald Miller wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 22:37:47 -0400, GeoLane at PTD dot NET GeoLane at
PTD dot NET wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:44:22 -0500, "William Wixon"
wrote:

just witnessed this and thought it was funny and wanted to tell you
guys about it. i unscrewed/removed the brass valve off three barbecue
size propane tanks.
How would you seal a slow leak in a 20 Lb propane cannister that's
leaking around the threads in the valve. It seems to be a pretty slow
leak. I can smell it and spotted it with soapy water. Tightening the
valve any more doesn't seem to be an option. I tried that and at the
point that the Barbeque connection was pointing to the rear of the
collar, the threads were squeaking. To turn it any farther would
probably break off the valve.


VERY SIMPLE - buy a new one for ~$30
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

or swap it out at one of the convenience stores.

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Jerry Wass wrote:
There's an O ring around the stem, grease it w/ some silicone grease in
the groove before snapping the o ring into place.

Is there an O-ring? Those are NPT threads - I thought that O-rings were
only used with NPS threads. NPT are self-sealing.

I'm not what you'd call an expert,
Bob

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On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 03:39:09 GMT, Jerry Wass
wrote:

GeoLane at PTD dot NET wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:44:22 -0500, "William Wixon"
wrote:

just witnessed this and thought it was funny and wanted to tell you
guys about it. i unscrewed/removed the brass valve off three barbecue
size propane tanks.

How would you seal a slow leak in a 20 Lb propane cannister that's
leaking around the threads in the valve. It seems to be a pretty slow
leak. I can smell it and spotted it with soapy water. Tightening the
valve any more doesn't seem to be an option. I tried that and at the
point that the Barbeque connection was pointing to the rear of the
collar, the threads were squeaking. To turn it any farther would
probably break off the valve.



There's an O ring around the stem, grease it w/ some silicone grease in
the groove before snapping the o ring into place.
He's talking about the joint where the valve screws into the cylinder.
If its a new cylinder take it back(in an open convance) to where he
got it. Otherwise open the valve and vent the gas to the atmosphere
until it is EMPTY!
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

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"Gerald Miller" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 03:39:09 GMT, Jerry Wass
wrote:

GeoLane at PTD dot NET wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:44:22 -0500, "William Wixon"
wrote:

just witnessed this and thought it was funny and wanted to tell you
guys about it. i unscrewed/removed the brass valve off three barbecue
size propane tanks.

How would you seal a slow leak in a 20 Lb propane cannister that's
leaking around the threads in the valve. It seems to be a pretty slow
leak. I can smell it and spotted it with soapy water. Tightening the
valve any more doesn't seem to be an option. I tried that and at the
point that the Barbeque connection was pointing to the rear of the
collar, the threads were squeaking. To turn it any farther would
probably break off the valve.



There's an O ring around the stem, grease it w/ some silicone grease in
the groove before snapping the o ring into place.
He's talking about the joint where the valve screws into the cylinder.
If its a new cylinder take it back(in an open convance) to where he
got it. Otherwise open the valve and vent the gas to the atmosphere
until it is EMPTY!
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

I had something similar happen to me once.
Turned out it was the retaining collar inside the valve.
It had unscrewed itself a turn or two and would not allow correct seating.
Screwed it back in and everything worked correctly again.
Chet

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GeoLane at PTD dot NET GeoLane at PTD dot NET wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:44:22 -0500, "William Wixon"
wrote:

just witnessed this and thought it was funny and wanted to tell you
guys about it. i unscrewed/removed the brass valve off three barbecue
size propane tanks.

How would you seal a slow leak in a 20 Lb propane cannister that's
leaking around the threads in the valve. It seems to be a pretty slow
leak. I can smell it and spotted it with soapy water. Tightening the
valve any more doesn't seem to be an option. I tried that and at the
point that the Barbeque connection was pointing to the rear of the
collar, the threads were squeaking. To turn it any farther would
probably break off the valve.



I'd grill a bunch to empty the tank and then remove the valve and reinstall using a PTFE
pipe dope. Give it a few days and then get it refilled.


Wes

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"Chet" wrote in message
...

"Gerald Miller" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 03:39:09 GMT, Jerry Wass
wrote:

GeoLane at PTD dot NET wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:44:22 -0500, "William Wixon"
wrote:

just witnessed this and thought it was funny and wanted to tell you
guys about it. i unscrewed/removed the brass valve off three barbecue
size propane tanks.

How would you seal a slow leak in a 20 Lb propane cannister that's
leaking around the threads in the valve. It seems to be a pretty slow
leak. I can smell it and spotted it with soapy water. Tightening the
valve any more doesn't seem to be an option. I tried that and at the
point that the Barbeque connection was pointing to the rear of the
collar, the threads were squeaking. To turn it any farther would
probably break off the valve.



There's an O ring around the stem, grease it w/ some silicone grease in
the groove before snapping the o ring into place.
He's talking about the joint where the valve screws into the cylinder.
If its a new cylinder take it back(in an open convance) to where he
got it. Otherwise open the valve and vent the gas to the atmosphere
until it is EMPTY!
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

I had something similar happen to me once.
Turned out it was the retaining collar inside the valve.
It had unscrewed itself a turn or two and would not allow correct seating.
Screwed it back in and everything worked correctly again.
Chet

I had a valve sieze up and I took the tank to Walmart, gave them $15 + tax
or maybe less, was a couple years ago, and they gave me another tank, that
was full of propane. Did lose the 10# or so of propane in the bad tank.