Thanks to the suggestions on a machining problem I posed in another thread,
it looks like I need to buy myself a live center. My lathe is an Emco
Maier Super 11, which has a #2 Morse taper. It was bought new & babied
since, so it's capable of doing very accurate work.

There are quite a few options, with a pretty wide range of prices. I could
go with a $40 dual bearing model with no specified accuracy, up to a
kilobuck for a Royal toolmakers set with interchangeable points and a TIR
of 0.00005".

I don't mind spending a few hundred bucks but I'd like to make sure I get
the most bang for those bucks. I'm leary of Chinese stuff unless I get
more than annecdotal info that a certain brand is OK. I like the idea of
interchangeable points, but assume you have to pay serious bucks to
maintain accuracy with such a setup.

The floor is open..

Thanks!

Doug White

"Doug White" wrote in message
...
Thanks to the suggestions on a machining problem I posed in another
thread,
it looks like I need to buy myself a live center. My lathe is an Emco
Maier Super 11, which has a #2 Morse taper. It was bought new & babied
since, so it's capable of doing very accurate work.

There are quite a few options, with a pretty wide range of prices. I
could
go with a $40 dual bearing model with no specified accuracy, up to a
kilobuck for a Royal toolmakers set with interchangeable points and a TIR
of 0.00005".

I don't mind spending a few hundred bucks but I'd like to make sure I get
the most bang for those bucks. I'm leary of Chinese stuff unless I get
more than annecdotal info that a certain brand is OK. I like the idea of
interchangeable points, but assume you have to pay serious bucks to
maintain accuracy with such a setup.

The floor is open..

Thanks!

Doug White

Just in case you run into a fussy old fart, like me g, be aware that the
traditional meaning of a "live center" is one that is driven under power. In
other words, a headstock center.

A ball-bearing center for use in the tailstock is a ball-bearing dead
center.

You won't have any problem using the term the way you're using it, unless
you get an old guy on a bad day. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

I have a bunch of MT2 centers and tooling, live, dead etc

On 2010-05-16, Doug White wrote:
Thanks to the suggestions on a machining problem I posed in another thread,
it looks like I need to buy myself a live center. My lathe is an Emco
Maier Super 11, which has a #2 Morse taper. It was bought new & babied
since, so it's capable of doing very accurate work.

There are quite a few options, with a pretty wide range of prices. I could
go with a $40 dual bearing model with no specified accuracy, up to a
kilobuck for a Royal toolmakers set with interchangeable points and a TIR
of 0.00005".

I don't mind spending a few hundred bucks but I'd like to make sure I get
the most bang for those bucks. I'm leary of Chinese stuff unless I get
more than annecdotal info that a certain brand is OK. I like the idea of
interchangeable points, but assume you have to pay serious bucks to
maintain accuracy with such a setup.

The floor is open..

Thanks!

Doug White

"Ed Huntress" wrote in
:


"Doug White" wrote in message
...
Thanks to the suggestions on a machining problem I posed in another
thread,
it looks like I need to buy myself a live center. My lathe is an
Emco Maier Super 11, which has a #2 Morse taper. It was bought new &
babied since, so it's capable of doing very accurate work.

There are quite a few options, with a pretty wide range of prices. I
could
go with a $40 dual bearing model with no specified accuracy, up to a
kilobuck for a Royal toolmakers set with interchangeable points and a
TIR of 0.00005".

I don't mind spending a few hundred bucks but I'd like to make sure I
get the most bang for those bucks. I'm leary of Chinese stuff unless
I get more than annecdotal info that a certain brand is OK. I like
the idea of interchangeable points, but assume you have to pay
serious bucks to maintain accuracy with such a setup.

The floor is open..

Thanks!

Doug White

Just in case you run into a fussy old fart, like me g, be aware that
the traditional meaning of a "live center" is one that is driven under
power. In other words, a headstock center.

A ball-bearing center for use in the tailstock is a ball-bearing dead
center.

You won't have any problem using the term the way you're using it,
unless you get an old guy on a bad day. d8-)

Well, it now gets more complicated. For the project at hand, I will be
applying pressure with the "ball bearing dead center" to clamp the work.
I was thinking that some sort of spring would be good. Lo and behold,
they also make spring loaded "ball bearing dead centers". That sounds
like just the ticket, and it simplifies the shopping problem
considerably. Riten & Royal make them, and there's not much difference
in price, but the Royal specs & design look a little better.

Doug White

"Ed Huntress" wrote:

Just in case you run into a fussy old fart, like me g, be aware that the
traditional meaning of a "live center" is one that is driven under power. In
other words, a headstock center.

A ball-bearing center for use in the tailstock is a ball-bearing dead
center.

You won't have any problem using the term the way you're using it, unless
you get an old guy on a bad day. d8-)

I've always heard of the bearing center called live and a solid center called dead.

But when a solid center is in the headstock, it is indeed live as in rotating with its
support and solid centers with lubrication have been used in the tailstock that is a fixed
support.

Bored Ed?

Wes



--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

Doug White wrote:

Well, it now gets more complicated. For the project at hand, I will be
applying pressure with the "ball bearing dead center" to clamp the work.
I was thinking that some sort of spring would be good. Lo and behold,
they also make spring loaded "ball bearing dead centers".

The spring loaded function is quite handy when turning long relative to diameter stock. As
you remove stock, the work expands and when supported by something un-giving, has to
deflect to relieve the stress. The spring loading, properly used, minimizes the effect.

Of course, you can just check tail stock pressure each pass if you don't have the spring.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

On May 16, 5:53*pm, Wes wrote:
Doug White wrote:
...

The spring loaded function is quite handy when turning long relative to diameter stock. As
you remove stock, the work expands and when supported by something un-giving, has to
deflect to relieve the stress. *The spring loading, properly used, minimizes the effect.

Of course, you can just check tail stock pressure each pass if you don't have the spring.

Wes

Then again it gives if you cut towards it. I bought an inexpensive
Enco ball bearing center and switch to a dead center for the finishing
cut.

A ball bearing pipe center can be handy if you turn tubing.

jsw

"Wes" wrote in message
...
"Ed Huntress" wrote:

Just in case you run into a fussy old fart, like me g, be aware that the
traditional meaning of a "live center" is one that is driven under power.
In
other words, a headstock center.

A ball-bearing center for use in the tailstock is a ball-bearing dead
center.

You won't have any problem using the term the way you're using it, unless
you get an old guy on a bad day. d8-)

I've always heard of the bearing center called live and a solid center
called dead.

Then you aren't old enough. g Or you didn't steep yourself in old
machining books for a decade or two.

A live center is powered. A non-powered center is dead. If it has a plain
bearing (some did), it's a plain-bearing dead center. If it has ball
bearings, it's a ball-bearing dead center. Of course, if it has no bearing
except for the center cone, it's just a plain dead center.

Like many things in machining, the original meanings have gotten lost from
common useage. But that's the way it always was, and I think most machinists
used the terms that way, at least into the '60s.


But when a solid center is in the headstock, it is indeed live as in
rotating with its
support and solid centers with lubrication have been used in the tailstock
that is a fixed
support.

Bored Ed?

Nope. I had a great day catching bluefish across from Staten Island.

There are other old machining terms that have gotten lost or corrupted. I
used to keep track of them, and I'd often comment on them, with the old
meaning and the new, in articles I wrote for _American Machinist_. I've
forgotten the rest of them.

While it's on my mind, though, the machine is a jig borer, not a jig bore.
g And a lathe with no saddle, cross-slide, or tailstock is a speed lathe.
A short-bed lathe with no tailstock is a chucker. A measuring tool is
spelled "gage," not "gauge," based on a precedent set by _AM_ back in the
1870s.

My wife considers me to be a specialist in boring machines, and other boring
things.

--
Ed Huntress

Doug White wrote in
:

Thanks to the suggestions on a machining problem I posed in another
thread, it looks like I need to buy myself a live center. My lathe
is an Emco Maier Super 11, which has a #2 Morse taper. It was bought
new & babied since, so it's capable of doing very accurate work.

There are quite a few options, with a pretty wide range of prices. I
could go with a $40 dual bearing model with no specified accuracy, up
to a kilobuck for a Royal toolmakers set with interchangeable points
and a TIR of 0.00005".

snip

I have been satisfied with the Czeck made Skoda center I purchased 15 years
ago. Reasonably priced and repair parts are available, seems like they
stand by their product instead of being part of the toss it and buy new
economy. I wouldn't mess with a spring loaded center unless you know the
spring rate will provide adequate holding force for your application.

Ed Huntress wrote:
"Doug wrote in message
...
Thanks to the suggestions on a machining problem I posed in another
thread,
it looks like I need to buy myself a live center. My lathe is an Emco
Maier Super 11, which has a #2 Morse taper. It was bought new& babied
since, so it's capable of doing very accurate work.

There are quite a few options, with a pretty wide range of prices. I
could
go with a $40 dual bearing model with no specified accuracy, up to a
kilobuck for a Royal toolmakers set with interchangeable points and a TIR
of 0.00005".

I don't mind spending a few hundred bucks but I'd like to make sure I get
the most bang for those bucks. I'm leary of Chinese stuff unless I get
more than annecdotal info that a certain brand is OK. I like the idea of
interchangeable points, but assume you have to pay serious bucks to
maintain accuracy with such a setup.

The floor is open..

Thanks!

Doug White

Just in case you run into a fussy old fart, like meg, be aware that the
traditional meaning of a "live center" is one that is driven under power. In
other words, a headstock center.

A ball-bearing center for use in the tailstock is a ball-bearing dead
center.

You won't have any problem using the term the way you're using it, unless
you get an old guy on a bad day. d8-)



Ed,

Relax and go out fishing, The striped bass are running big time.

John

"John" wrote in message
...
Ed Huntress wrote:
"Doug wrote in message
...
Thanks to the suggestions on a machining problem I posed in another
thread,
it looks like I need to buy myself a live center. My lathe is an Emco
Maier Super 11, which has a #2 Morse taper. It was bought new& babied
since, so it's capable of doing very accurate work.

There are quite a few options, with a pretty wide range of prices. I
could
go with a $40 dual bearing model with no specified accuracy, up to a
kilobuck for a Royal toolmakers set with interchangeable points and a
TIR
of 0.00005".

I don't mind spending a few hundred bucks but I'd like to make sure I
get
the most bang for those bucks. I'm leary of Chinese stuff unless I get
more than annecdotal info that a certain brand is OK. I like the idea
of
interchangeable points, but assume you have to pay serious bucks to
maintain accuracy with such a setup.

The floor is open..

Thanks!

Doug White

Just in case you run into a fussy old fart, like meg, be aware that the
traditional meaning of a "live center" is one that is driven under power.
In
other words, a headstock center.

A ball-bearing center for use in the tailstock is a ball-bearing dead
center.

You won't have any problem using the term the way you're using it, unless
you get an old guy on a bad day. d8-)



Ed,

Relax and go out fishing, The striped bass are running big time.

John

Fishing from shore, you can hardly get a bait down through the blues to get
at the stripers. I've given up on them, and I'm in no mood to go out in a
boat.

But we're catching a lot of blues at the Cliffwood Rock Wall, just above
Keyport.

--
Ed Huntress

Ed Huntress wrote:
wrote in message
...
Ed Huntress wrote:
"Doug wrote in message
...
Thanks to the suggestions on a machining problem I posed in another
thread,
it looks like I need to buy myself a live center. My lathe is an Emco
Maier Super 11, which has a #2 Morse taper. It was bought new& babied
since, so it's capable of doing very accurate work.

There are quite a few options, with a pretty wide range of prices. I
could
go with a $40 dual bearing model with no specified accuracy, up to a
kilobuck for a Royal toolmakers set with interchangeable points and a
TIR
of 0.00005".

I don't mind spending a few hundred bucks but I'd like to make sure I
get
the most bang for those bucks. I'm leary of Chinese stuff unless I get
more than annecdotal info that a certain brand is OK. I like the idea
of
interchangeable points, but assume you have to pay serious bucks to
maintain accuracy with such a setup.

The floor is open..

Thanks!

Doug White

Just in case you run into a fussy old fart, like meg, be aware that the
traditional meaning of a "live center" is one that is driven under power.
In
other words, a headstock center.

A ball-bearing center for use in the tailstock is a ball-bearing dead
center.

You won't have any problem using the term the way you're using it, unless
you get an old guy on a bad day. d8-)



Ed,

Relax and go out fishing, The striped bass are running big time.

John

Fishing from shore, you can hardly get a bait down through the blues to get
at the stripers. I've given up on them, and I'm in no mood to go out in a
boat.

But we're catching a lot of blues at the Cliffwood Rock Wall, just above
Keyport.

Ed,

I should have taken a ride to the shore and wet some bait.

John

"John" wrote in message
...
Ed Huntress wrote:
wrote in message
...
Ed Huntress wrote:
"Doug wrote in message
...
Thanks to the suggestions on a machining problem I posed in another
thread,
it looks like I need to buy myself a live center. My lathe is an Emco
Maier Super 11, which has a #2 Morse taper. It was bought new&
babied
since, so it's capable of doing very accurate work.

There are quite a few options, with a pretty wide range of prices. I
could
go with a $40 dual bearing model with no specified accuracy, up to a
kilobuck for a Royal toolmakers set with interchangeable points and a
TIR
of 0.00005".

I don't mind spending a few hundred bucks but I'd like to make sure I
get
the most bang for those bucks. I'm leary of Chinese stuff unless I
get
more than annecdotal info that a certain brand is OK. I like the idea
of
interchangeable points, but assume you have to pay serious bucks to
maintain accuracy with such a setup.

The floor is open..

Thanks!

Doug White

Just in case you run into a fussy old fart, like meg, be aware that
the
traditional meaning of a "live center" is one that is driven under
power.
In
other words, a headstock center.

A ball-bearing center for use in the tailstock is a ball-bearing dead
center.

You won't have any problem using the term the way you're using it,
unless
you get an old guy on a bad day. d8-)



Ed,

Relax and go out fishing, The striped bass are running big time.

John

Fishing from shore, you can hardly get a bait down through the blues to
get
at the stripers. I've given up on them, and I'm in no mood to go out in a
boat.

But we're catching a lot of blues at the Cliffwood Rock Wall, just above
Keyport.

Ed,

I should have taken a ride to the shore and wet some bait.

John

There's not much action on the surface yet, John. It's bait fishing on or
near the bottom. Most of us are using chunked bunkers. Stripers are hitting
bunkers, too. They prefer the heads. Or use clams.

If you try the west end of Raritan Bay, the fish are there from about an
hour or two before high tide to an hour or two after it. It's a fish every
15 minutes or so, and they're running from 2 pounds up to around 10. Bigger
ones are being caught out in the Bay, up to 18 pounds.

Stripers are still being caught on the west end, but I think most of the
striper action is out around the Highlands and up along Sandy Hook.

--
Ed Huntress

Charles U Farley wrote in
:

Doug White wrote in
:

Thanks to the suggestions on a machining problem I posed in another
thread, it looks like I need to buy myself a live center. My lathe
is an Emco Maier Super 11, which has a #2 Morse taper. It was bought
new & babied since, so it's capable of doing very accurate work.

There are quite a few options, with a pretty wide range of prices. I
could go with a $40 dual bearing model with no specified accuracy, up
to a kilobuck for a Royal toolmakers set with interchangeable points
and a TIR of 0.00005".

snip

I have been satisfied with the Czeck made Skoda center I purchased 15
years ago. Reasonably priced and repair parts are available, seems
like they stand by their product instead of being part of the toss it
and buy new economy. I wouldn't mess with a spring loaded center
unless you know the spring rate will provide adequate holding force
for your application.

I've heard of Skoda, but they don't seem to be popular with the major
distributors these days. MSC, Penn, & Enco don't carry them. Wholesale
Tool has them, and they seem very reasonably priced, but they don't have
any TIR specs. I couldn't find TIR specs on any Skoda centers in a half
dozen web sites. Even Bison Chinese centers at least have a TIR spec of
0.0001".

Doug White

"Ed Huntress" wrote in
:


"Wes" wrote in message
...
"Ed Huntress" wrote:

Just in case you run into a fussy old fart, like me g, be aware
that the traditional meaning of a "live center" is one that is driven
under power. In
other words, a headstock center.

A ball-bearing center for use in the tailstock is a ball-bearing dead
center.

You won't have any problem using the term the way you're using it,
unless you get an old guy on a bad day. d8-)

I've always heard of the bearing center called live and a solid
center called dead.

To paraphrase Monty Python: They're not dead, they're just restin'...

Doug White

It's not likely that any HSM needs a tailstock center with a guaranteed
accuracy of 0.00005".

It's also not likely that a tailstock is adjusted to that accuracy. A
tailstock's center axis deviates considerably more than that every time it's
moved, or ambient temperatures change.

Furthermore, it's highly unlikely that any HSM's parts need to be made to
that accuracy, or that the HSM would need to accurately measure parts to
that accuracy.

Anyone that's trying to accomplish these levels of accuracy in tooling is
chasing a rainbow.
One could buy 10 reasonably priced, quality centers and keep 2 or 3 that are
most accurate, return the others. An accurate measuring setup could be
assembled on a
surface plate instead of actually using the parts.

The pressure applied by the tailstock can be monitored, if you like the
prices of a center with an integral pressure gauge. Rohm is one brand, but
you may have trouble finding a model in the MT 2 size.

--
WB
..........


"Doug White" wrote in message
...
Thanks to the suggestions on a machining problem I posed in another
thread,
it looks like I need to buy myself a live center. My lathe is an Emco
Maier Super 11, which has a #2 Morse taper. It was bought new & babied
since, so it's capable of doing very accurate work.

There are quite a few options, with a pretty wide range of prices. I
could
go with a $40 dual bearing model with no specified accuracy, up to a
kilobuck for a Royal toolmakers set with interchangeable points and a TIR
of 0.00005".

I don't mind spending a few hundred bucks but I'd like to make sure I get
the most bang for those bucks. I'm leary of Chinese stuff unless I get
more than annecdotal info that a certain brand is OK. I like the idea of
interchangeable points, but assume you have to pay serious bucks to
maintain accuracy with such a setup.

The floor is open..

Thanks!

Doug White

On May 16, 5:48*pm, Wes wrote:


I've always heard of the bearing center called live and a solid center called dead.

But when a solid center is in the headstock, it is indeed live as in rotating with its
support and solid centers with lubrication have been used in the tailstock that is a fixed
support.

Wes

If you want to find a center with bearings in a catalog, you had best
look for live centers. I do not think you will find " ball bearing
dead centers " listed in any catalogs. But there was a time when Ed's
terminology was used. But probably not in the last fifty years.

Dan

Everything with a cutting edge (and many other small items) has become a
Bit.

A portable saw with a circular blade becomes a skill saw.

Small portable saws with a reciprocating blade become a jig saw.

A utility knife becomes a box cutter.

Corded or cordless drills become screwguns.

Summer tires become all-season tires.

What a bunch-a-****.

--
WB
..........


"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...


Just in case you run into a fussy old fart, like me g, be aware that the
traditional meaning of a "live center" is one that is driven under power.
In other words, a headstock center.

A ball-bearing center for use in the tailstock is a ball-bearing dead
center.

You won't have any problem using the term the way you're using it, unless
you get an old guy on a bad day. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

On Mon, 17 May 2010 00:39:38 GMT, Doug White
wrote the following:

Monty Python: They're not dead, they're just restin

Hmmmmmm, ahem, mi mi mi. Alright, then.


"Oi'm a Lumberjack and I'm OK..."


--
Work and struggle and never accept an evil that you can change.
-- Andre Gide

"Doug White" wrote in message
...
Thanks to the suggestions on a machining problem I posed in another
thread,
it looks like I need to buy myself a live center. My lathe is an Emco
Maier Super 11, which has a #2 Morse taper. It was bought new & babied
since, so it's capable of doing very accurate work.

There are quite a few options, with a pretty wide range of prices. I
could
go with a $40 dual bearing model with no specified accuracy, up to a
kilobuck for a Royal toolmakers set with interchangeable points and a TIR
of 0.00005".

I don't mind spending a few hundred bucks but I'd like to make sure I get
the most bang for those bucks. I'm leary of Chinese stuff unless I get
more than annecdotal info that a certain brand is OK. I like the idea of
interchangeable points, but assume you have to pay serious bucks to
maintain accuracy with such a setup.

The floor is open..

Thanks!

Doug White

For the project you asked about I don't think the cheap one will give you
any fits. Any wobble it does have can be quelled with a little rubber* but
you probably don't even need to worry about that.

MSC has a "value" cheapie for about $20, and since you have gone several
years without needing one at all you probably won't get that much use out of
a super expensive one to justify the bigger price.

http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT...ode=%50epcode=

This would also give you a balance of $180 to spend on other tools.

Roger Shoaf

About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.

* A rubber washer or a piece of sheet rubber placed between the plastic and
the plate will allow a bit of wobble in the live center but the part will
still be concentric with the indexing pin in the driven side of the
equation. All the pusher plate does is hold the blank against the driven
mandrel with enough force to keep it from slipping while you cut. Given the
light cuts you will be taking for this project it will not require that much
pressure.

"Doug White" wrote in message
...
Thanks to the suggestions on a machining problem I posed in another
thread,
it looks like I need to buy myself a live center. My lathe is an Emco
Maier Super 11, which has a #2 Morse taper. It was bought new & babied
since, so it's capable of doing very accurate work.

There are quite a few options, with a pretty wide range of prices. I
could
go with a $40 dual bearing model with no specified accuracy, up to a
kilobuck for a Royal toolmakers set with interchangeable points and a TIR
of 0.00005".

I don't mind spending a few hundred bucks but I'd like to make sure I get
the most bang for those bucks. I'm leary of Chinese stuff unless I get
more than annecdotal info that a certain brand is OK. I like the idea of
interchangeable points, but assume you have to pay serious bucks to
maintain accuracy with such a setup.

The floor is open..

Thanks!

Doug White

Using a dead-center is a little bit tricky but I've had much better results.

"Doug White" wrote in message
...
Charles U Farley wrote in

I've heard of Skoda, but they don't seem to be popular with the major
distributors these days. MSC, Penn, & Enco don't carry them. Wholesale
Tool has them, and they seem very reasonably priced, but they don't have
any TIR specs. I couldn't find TIR specs on any Skoda centers in a half
dozen web sites. Even Bison Chinese centers at least have a TIR spec of
0.0001".

Skoda means "pity", "waste" or "damage" depending on context. I'm just
saying...

--
Michael Koblic,
Campbell River, BC

"Ed Huntress" wrote:

Nope. I had a great day catching bluefish across from Staten Island.


No idea what a bluefish is but a smoked whitefish would really hit the spot right now.

I gotta head up across the bridge to US 2 soon.

Wes

"Wes" wrote in message
...
"Ed Huntress" wrote:

Nope. I had a great day catching bluefish across from Staten Island.


No idea what a bluefish is but a smoked whitefish would really hit the
spot right now.

I gotta head up across the bridge to US 2 soon.

Wes

Whitefish, bluefish, redfish...I love any kind of fish. And since I wrote
that, I hit them again, yesterday. I smell like a bait boat (bluefish
are...ah, "full-flavored," and I gut them the minute they come in) but I'm
loving all the fish.

My fishing buddy, just retired, has been fly fishing for trout in the
mornings, and then he comes over and fishes salt water with me in the
afternoons. But he doesn't eat fish! So I've been letting him fish away and
filling my cooler with his fish. d8-)

I have to stop this and get back to work. Maybe next week. g

--
Ed Huntress

"Ed Huntress" wrote:


Whitefish, bluefish, redfish...I love any kind of fish. And since I wrote
that, I hit them again, yesterday. I smell like a bait boat (bluefish
are...ah, "full-flavored," and I gut them the minute they come in) but I'm
loving all the fish.

I'll have to imagine the smell. The smell of smoked fish is something I really crave at
the moment.


My fishing buddy, just retired, has been fly fishing for trout in the
mornings, and then he comes over and fishes salt water with me in the
afternoons. But he doesn't eat fish! So I've been letting him fish away and
filling my cooler with his fish. d8-)

Nothing wrong with that. I once seriously bunny hunted before the coyotes decimated them.
I seldom ate the things but I had a lady, now deceased, that loved bunnies along with her
husband. Bunny isn't bad but it just isn't one of my favorites.

As long as we don't waste, it is all good,


Wes

"Wes" wrote in message
...
"Ed Huntress" wrote:


Whitefish, bluefish, redfish...I love any kind of fish. And since I wrote
that, I hit them again, yesterday. I smell like a bait boat (bluefish
are...ah, "full-flavored," and I gut them the minute they come in) but I'm
loving all the fish.

I'll have to imagine the smell. The smell of smoked fish is something I
really crave at
the moment.

I always found it hard to keep them lit.



My fishing buddy, just retired, has been fly fishing for trout in the
mornings, and then he comes over and fishes salt water with me in the
afternoons. But he doesn't eat fish! So I've been letting him fish away
and
filling my cooler with his fish. d8-)

Nothing wrong with that. I once seriously bunny hunted before the coyotes
decimated them.
I seldom ate the things but I had a lady, now deceased, that loved bunnies
along with her
husband. Bunny isn't bad but it just isn't one of my favorites.

Ah, you should have had my half-Hungarian aunt's hassenpfeffer. It was
delicious.


As long as we don't waste, it is all good,

You've probably never seen a Monkfish, except maybe filleted, on a plate in
a restaurant. It can make you think twice about eating what you catch.

http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries...onkfish540.jpg

Bon appétit! d8-)

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Ed Huntress

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Whitefish, bluefish, redfish...I love any kind of fish. And since I wrote
that, I hit them again, yesterday. I smell like a bait boat (bluefish
are...ah, "full-flavored," and I gut them the minute they come in) but
I'm
loving all the fish.

I'll have to imagine the smell. The smell of smoked fish is something I
really crave at
the moment.

I always found it hard to keep them lit.



there was a "Montana Calander" I picked up near flathead lake a few years
ago that showed a native son doing just that, he used an Oxy cutting torch
to keep it lit - I wonder if the fish need a health warning?

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Whitefish, bluefish, redfish...I love any kind of fish. And since I
wrote
that, I hit them again, yesterday. I smell like a bait boat (bluefish
are...ah, "full-flavored," and I gut them the minute they come in) but
I'm
loving all the fish.

I'll have to imagine the smell. The smell of smoked fish is something I
really crave at
the moment.

I always found it hard to keep them lit.



there was a "Montana Calander" I picked up near flathead lake a few years
ago that showed a native son doing just that, he used an Oxy cutting torch
to keep it lit - I wonder if the fish need a health warning?

Unfiltered lutefisk allegedly are high in tar. Also, avoiding smoking
anything that comes from the Gulf of Mexico.

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Ed Huntress

"Ed Huntress" wrote:

As long as we don't waste, it is all good,

You've probably never seen a Monkfish, except maybe filleted, on a plate in
a restaurant. It can make you think twice about eating what you catch.

http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries...onkfish540.jpg

Bon appétit! d8-)

Yuck! I think I'll stick to fish that have trout in their name.

Wes

"Wes" wrote in message
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"Ed Huntress" wrote:

As long as we don't waste, it is all good,

You've probably never seen a Monkfish, except maybe filleted, on a plate
in
a restaurant. It can make you think twice about eating what you catch.

http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries...onkfish540.jpg

Bon appétit! d8-)

Yuck! I think I'll stick to fish that have trout in their name.

Wes

When I was a kid and we brought one of those suckers over the side, we'd
hack them up with a bait knife and throw them back into the water -- an
un-PC thing to do these days.

It turns out that fishermen thought they were eating up the summer flounder
(maybe they were). I always thought we killed them because they were
fish-demons from hell.

What you don't see in that photo is the little bait thingy they wiggle above
their head (it's there, but it's laying flat). Thus, another of the
beastie's other names: Anglerfish. We fishermen called them Headfish,
because they're about 1/2 head.

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Ed Huntress