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Results of rifle bedding attempt
I promised to report results on this activity. I'm pleased with the
results. The accuracy of a decent but inexpensive rifle was significantly improved with one of the several loads tried today. There were also some loads (different powder) it didn't shoot well at all, though it has never shot any load so badly that it'd miss COM on a deer at 200 yards, which is too far to be shooting deer with a .243. I think after bedding it is now accurate enough to be used on varmints out to 300 yards. http://members.goldengate.net/dforem..._rifle_result/ |
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Don Foreman wrote:
I promised to report results on this activity. I'm pleased with the results. The accuracy of a decent but inexpensive rifle was significantly improved with one of the several loads tried today. There were also some loads (different powder) it didn't shoot well at all, though it has never shot any load so badly that it'd miss COM on a deer at 200 yards, which is too far to be shooting deer with a .243. I think after bedding it is now accurate enough to be used on varmints out to 300 yards. http://members.goldengate.net/dforem..._rifle_result/ That's a big dime! Or one accurate piece... -- Richard Lamb http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/ |
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On Thu, 06 May 2010 19:29:58 -0500, cavelamb
wrote: Don Foreman wrote: I promised to report results on this activity. I'm pleased with the results. The accuracy of a decent but inexpensive rifle was significantly improved with one of the several loads tried today. There were also some loads (different powder) it didn't shoot well at all, though it has never shot any load so badly that it'd miss COM on a deer at 200 yards, which is too far to be shooting deer with a .243. I think after bedding it is now accurate enough to be used on varmints out to 300 yards. http://members.goldengate.net/dforem..._rifle_result/ That's a big dime! Or one accurate piece... The holes really are 6mm dia, not .50 cal. :) That group wouldn't rate a sneer among bench rest competitors whose multi-thousand dollar 6mmPPC rifles (with similarly pricey scopes) routinely punch 0.200" groups at 200 yards. 6mmPPC is ballistically very similar to .243 Winchester and shoots the same bullets but the rifles are hand-crafted to very exacting standards, using bull barrels maybe 1-1/2" in diameter. There were two of those at the range today. Their owners weren't shooting them anywhere near that well today but I don't doubt that the rifles are capable. But I feel pretty good about how my little off-the-rack consumer-grade Savage, bought from floor stock at The General Store in Osakis, MN, seems to work after bedding it and doing a bit of load development. Oh, and moving up to a $195 scope. |
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"Don Foreman" wrote in message
... On Thu, 06 May 2010 19:29:58 -0500, cavelamb wrote: Don Foreman wrote: I promised to report results on this activity. I'm pleased with the results. The accuracy of a decent but inexpensive rifle was significantly improved with one of the several loads tried today. There were also some loads (different powder) it didn't shoot well at all, though it has never shot any load so badly that it'd miss COM on a deer at 200 yards, which is too far to be shooting deer with a .243. I think after bedding it is now accurate enough to be used on varmints out to 300 yards. http://members.goldengate.net/dforem..._rifle_result/ That's a big dime! Or one accurate piece... The holes really are 6mm dia, not .50 cal. :) That group wouldn't rate a sneer among bench rest competitors whose multi-thousand dollar 6mmPPC rifles (with similarly pricey scopes) routinely punch 0.200" groups at 200 yards. 6mmPPC is ballistically very similar to .243 Winchester and shoots the same bullets but the rifles are hand-crafted to very exacting standards, using bull barrels maybe 1-1/2" in diameter. There were two of those at the range today. Their owners weren't shooting them anywhere near that well today but I don't doubt that the rifles are capable. But I feel pretty good about how my little off-the-rack consumer-grade Savage, bought from floor stock at The General Store in Osakis, MN, seems to work after bedding it and doing a bit of load development. Oh, and moving up to a $195 scope. Not sure what you meant by "pillar bedding," but from what I've read and one of my gun smith buddies says you can dramatically improve most all of those inexpensive bolt guns by fully bedding them about an inch or so past the chamber, and then floating the barrel. He says you still get some barrel warp as they heat up just from variances in thickness, but not as bad as when one side is in the air, and the other side is pressed against the wood. Also some guns simply are not bored concentric enough and the higher mass of metal on one side of the bore will cause it to warp anyway. Yours is doing very nicely for a low end Savage, although Savage kinda gets a bad rap sometimes. They make some comparably affordable off the shelf guns that will shoot very nicely, and I really have not heard of any of their guns suffering from undue premature wear problems. Now hear is one for those guys who can't afford a great rifle and don't have the time or the nerve to make modifications like you did. Sight your inexpensive out of the box gun in over a very extended time. Bore sight. Then take your first shot. Then give it 30 minutes or so before taking your second shot. Proceed in kind. You will find that it will shoot a lot more consistently than you expect that way. For hunting its no matter. You rarely get more than one good shot at a single target anyway. You are not going to turn a $69 1980s import into a $4000 custom match gun, but you will be able to shoot your one shot and be pretty certain its going to hit were you pointed it. I'm certainly no gunsmith, but one of my first clients was a gunsmith and custom match builder. I used to hang around his shop and talk with him while he worked. |
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On Fri, 7 May 2010 07:23:38 -0700, "Bob La Londe"
wrote: "Don Foreman" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 06 May 2010 19:29:58 -0500, cavelamb wrote: Don Foreman wrote: I promised to report results on this activity. I'm pleased with the results. The accuracy of a decent but inexpensive rifle was significantly improved with one of the several loads tried today. There were also some loads (different powder) it didn't shoot well at all, though it has never shot any load so badly that it'd miss COM on a deer at 200 yards, which is too far to be shooting deer with a .243. I think after bedding it is now accurate enough to be used on varmints out to 300 yards. http://members.goldengate.net/dforem..._rifle_result/ That's a big dime! Or one accurate piece... The holes really are 6mm dia, not .50 cal. :) That group wouldn't rate a sneer among bench rest competitors whose multi-thousand dollar 6mmPPC rifles (with similarly pricey scopes) routinely punch 0.200" groups at 200 yards. 6mmPPC is ballistically very similar to .243 Winchester and shoots the same bullets but the rifles are hand-crafted to very exacting standards, using bull barrels maybe 1-1/2" in diameter. There were two of those at the range today. Their owners weren't shooting them anywhere near that well today but I don't doubt that the rifles are capable. But I feel pretty good about how my little off-the-rack consumer-grade Savage, bought from floor stock at The General Store in Osakis, MN, seems to work after bedding it and doing a bit of load development. Oh, and moving up to a $195 scope. Not sure what you meant by "pillar bedding," but from what I've read and one of my gun smith buddies says you can dramatically improve most all of those inexpensive bolt guns by fully bedding them about an inch or so past the chamber, and then floating the barrel. That's what I did. Two metal pillars are epoxied into the stock. The action is mounted on those pillars. The stock is relieved elsewhere so wood does not touch metal anywhere except perhaps under the tang. Then epoxy is applied in the gap so support on the action and behind the recoil lug is uniform. The barrel is free-floating. |
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On Thu, 06 May 2010 18:08:19 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote: I promised to report results on this activity. I'm pleased with the results. The accuracy of a decent but inexpensive rifle was significantly improved with one of the several loads tried today. There were also some loads (different powder) it didn't shoot well at all, though it has never shot any load so badly that it'd miss COM on a deer at 200 yards, which is too far to be shooting deer with a .243. I think after bedding it is now accurate enough to be used on varmints out to 300 yards. http://members.goldengate.net/dforem..._rifle_result/ That works. Now you know what to use during the Great Cull. G Gunner -- "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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On Thu, 06 May 2010 23:03:09 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote: On Thu, 06 May 2010 19:29:58 -0500, cavelamb wrote: Don Foreman wrote: I promised to report results on this activity. I'm pleased with the results. The accuracy of a decent but inexpensive rifle was significantly improved with one of the several loads tried today. There were also some loads (different powder) it didn't shoot well at all, though it has never shot any load so badly that it'd miss COM on a deer at 200 yards, which is too far to be shooting deer with a .243. I think after bedding it is now accurate enough to be used on varmints out to 300 yards. http://members.goldengate.net/dforem..._rifle_result/ That's a big dime! Or one accurate piece... The holes really are 6mm dia, not .50 cal. :) That group wouldn't rate a sneer among bench rest competitors whose multi-thousand dollar 6mmPPC rifles (with similarly pricey scopes) routinely punch 0.200" groups at 200 yards. 6mmPPC is ballistically very similar to .243 Winchester and shoots the same bullets but the rifles are hand-crafted to very exacting standards, using bull barrels maybe 1-1/2" in diameter. There were two of those at the range today. Their owners weren't shooting them anywhere near that well today but I don't doubt that the rifles are capable. But I feel pretty good about how my little off-the-rack consumer-grade Savage, bought from floor stock at The General Store in Osakis, MN, seems to work after bedding it and doing a bit of load development. Oh, and moving up to a $195 scope. Savage is probably the most accurate of all the Big 5 manufactures at the moment. Its a very very pleasant suprise what the "new" owner, Ronald Coburn, did with Savage Arms. He took a company that had a very spotty..in some cases..absolutly ****ty reputation and turned it around. Ive owned Savage arms for many years and with few exceptions, they were mediocre pieces of crap designed by mutants. Coburn took over..got them off virtual bankruptcy and produces some of the finest production arms ever made. The only Savage centerfire long gun I ever owned that I really liked..was a mint+ 24D over and under...20ga Mag under 357 Remington Maximum. And its the only one Ive ever seen. I cant find any reliable records of that combination. I carry it a lot when out in the desert during bird season..as it takes birds and coyotes nicely. Not a bad score for $150, eh? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savage_Arms Gunner -- "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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On May 7, 2:15*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 06 May 2010 23:03:09 -0500, Don Foreman wrote: On Thu, 06 May 2010 19:29:58 -0500, cavelamb wrote: Don Foreman wrote: I promised to report results on this activity. I'm pleased with the results. *The accuracy of a decent but inexpensive rifle was significantly improved with one of the several loads tried today. There were also some loads (different powder) *it didn't shoot well at all, though it has never shot any load so badly that it'd miss COM on a deer at 200 yards, which is too far to be shooting deer with a .243.. I think after bedding it is now accurate enough to be used on varmints out to 300 yards. http://members.goldengate.net/dforem..._rifle_result/ That's a big dime! Or one accurate piece... The holes really are 6mm dia, not .50 cal. :) That group wouldn't rate a sneer among bench rest competitors whose multi-thousand dollar 6mmPPC rifles (with similarly pricey scopes) routinely punch 0.200" groups at 200 yards. 6mmPPC is ballistically very similar to .243 Winchester and shoots the same bullets but the rifles are hand-crafted to very exacting standards, using bull barrels maybe 1-1/2" in diameter. There were two of those at the range today. Their owners weren't shooting them anywhere near that well today but I don't doubt that the rifles are capable. But I feel pretty good about how my little *off-the-rack consumer-grade Savage, bought from floor stock at The General Store in Osakis, MN, *seems to work after bedding it and doing *a bit of load development. Oh, and moving up to a $195 scope. * * * Savage is probably the most accurate of all the Big 5 manufactures at the moment. Its a very very pleasant suprise what the "new" owner, Ronald Coburn, did with Savage Arms. *He took a company that had a very spotty..in some cases..absolutly ****ty reputation and turned it around. Ive owned Savage arms *for many years and with few exceptions, they were mediocre pieces of crap designed by mutants. *Coburn took over..got them off virtual bankruptcy and produces some of the finest production arms ever made. The only Savage centerfire long gun I ever owned that I really liked..was a mint+ 24D over and under...20ga Mag under 357 Remington Maximum. *And its the only one Ive ever seen. I cant find any reliable records of that combination. *I carry it a lot when out in the desert during bird season..as it takes birds and coyotes nicely. *Not a bad score for $150, eh? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savage_Arms Gunner Current model Savage guns ARE pillar bedded from the factory and their "tactical" line goes one better, they've got a machined metal frame that the whole receiver beds down in, then the works goes in a fiber stock. They're getting what amounts to match accuracy from production guns and barrels and for a most reasonable price. The ease of swapping barrels is just an added plus. I've not seen that particular combination in a 24, the .357 Maximum had about 6 months of hooraw from the press, then it died. The 24 was a barn gun, pure and simple, but the price got to be over $500 and nobody pays that for a barn gun. Even now, the .22LR over .410s run $600 at the local shows. Crazy. So hang onto it, it's probably a collector's item now. Had one fellow at a show that was paying crazy prices for any over-under he didn't have yet. Stan |
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Don Foreman wrote:
I promised to report results on this activity. I'm pleased with the results. The accuracy of a decent but inexpensive rifle was significantly improved with one of the several loads tried today. There were also some loads (different powder) it didn't shoot well at all, though it has never shot any load so badly that it'd miss COM on a deer at 200 yards, which is too far to be shooting deer with a .243. I think after bedding it is now accurate enough to be used on varmints out to 300 yards. http://members.goldengate.net/dforem..._rifle_result/ That made the effort worth the while. Excellent results. Your photo clued me into a piece of software that I need to try out. http://www.ontargetshooting.com/aboutus.html Thanks! Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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On Fri, 07 May 2010 13:00:33 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Thu, 06 May 2010 18:08:19 -0500, Don Foreman wrote: I promised to report results on this activity. I'm pleased with the results. The accuracy of a decent but inexpensive rifle was significantly improved with one of the several loads tried today. There were also some loads (different powder) it didn't shoot well at all, though it has never shot any load so badly that it'd miss COM on a deer at 200 yards, which is too far to be shooting deer with a .243. I think after bedding it is now accurate enough to be used on varmints out to 300 yards. http://members.goldengate.net/dforem..._rifle_result/ That works. Now you know what to use during the Great Cull. G Oh golly, I'll miss that party since I don't have a banjo or even much of a porch. |
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On Fri, 07 May 2010 17:00:18 -0400, Wes
wrote: Don Foreman wrote: I promised to report results on this activity. I'm pleased with the results. The accuracy of a decent but inexpensive rifle was significantly improved with one of the several loads tried today. There were also some loads (different powder) it didn't shoot well at all, though it has never shot any load so badly that it'd miss COM on a deer at 200 yards, which is too far to be shooting deer with a .243. I think after bedding it is now accurate enough to be used on varmints out to 300 yards. http://members.goldengate.net/dforem..._rifle_result/ That made the effort worth the while. Excellent results. Your photo clued me into a piece of software that I need to try out. http://www.ontargetshooting.com/aboutus.html Thanks! Wes Hey thanks! Ive got an elderly hand scanner I can run on the laptop at the range! Gunner -- "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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On Fri, 07 May 2010 23:57:57 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote: On Fri, 07 May 2010 13:00:33 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Thu, 06 May 2010 18:08:19 -0500, Don Foreman wrote: I promised to report results on this activity. I'm pleased with the results. The accuracy of a decent but inexpensive rifle was significantly improved with one of the several loads tried today. There were also some loads (different powder) it didn't shoot well at all, though it has never shot any load so badly that it'd miss COM on a deer at 200 yards, which is too far to be shooting deer with a .243. I think after bedding it is now accurate enough to be used on varmints out to 300 yards. http://members.goldengate.net/dforem..._rifle_result/ That works. Now you know what to use during the Great Cull. G Oh golly, I'll miss that party since I don't have a banjo or even much of a porch. Nah...you dont need a banjo OR a porch. When the Great Cull starts..herds of leftwingers will be on the run and you know how they are...criminal and mentally ill for the most part. So they will move into towns and steal everything not bolted down while passing through. Like felonious caribou. So you simply use the .243 to thin out the herd so they dont attack the next town so badly, and those thin out the herd even more and so on and so forth, until they are down in numbers low enough that kind people can use them hooked to a plow or weeding in the garden, kept for raw labor and fed simple but good food..like dog kibble...shrug But you do have to watch them, they are lazy, deranged and mentally ill. Gunner -- "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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On Sat, 08 May 2010 00:21:10 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Fri, 07 May 2010 17:00:18 -0400, Wes wrote: Don Foreman wrote: I promised to report results on this activity. I'm pleased with the results. The accuracy of a decent but inexpensive rifle was significantly improved with one of the several loads tried today. There were also some loads (different powder) it didn't shoot well at all, though it has never shot any load so badly that it'd miss COM on a deer at 200 yards, which is too far to be shooting deer with a .243. I think after bedding it is now accurate enough to be used on varmints out to 300 yards. http://members.goldengate.net/dforem..._rifle_result/ That made the effort worth the while. Excellent results. Your photo clued me into a piece of software that I need to try out. http://www.ontargetshooting.com/aboutus.html Thanks! Wes Hey thanks! Ive got an elderly hand scanner I can run on the laptop at the range! Gunner That'll work, or you can use any digital camera. The software accepts ..jpg files. You'll need a size reference on the image. A dime is ..701 dia. |
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Gunner Asch wrote: Nah...you dont need a banjo OR a porch. When the Great Cull starts..herds of leftwingers will be on the run and you know how they are...criminal and mentally ill for the most part. So they will move into towns and steal everything not bolted down while passing through. Like felonious caribou. So you simply use the .243 to thin out the herd so they dont attack the next town so badly, and those thin out the herd even more and so on and so forth, until they are down in numbers low enough that kind people can use them hooked to a plow or weeding in the garden, kept for raw labor and fed simple but good food..like dog kibble...shrug But you do have to watch them, they are lazy, deranged and mentally ill. That's only the 'good' ones. The rest are 'much' worse. -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge. |
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