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I promised to report results on this activity. I'm pleased with the
results. The accuracy of a decent but inexpensive rifle was
significantly improved with one of the several loads tried today.
There were also some loads (different powder) it didn't shoot well at
all, though it has never shot any load so badly that it'd miss COM on
a deer at 200 yards, which is too far to be shooting deer with a .243.
I think after bedding it is now accurate enough to be used on varmints
out to 300 yards.

http://members.goldengate.net/dforem..._rifle_result/


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Don Foreman wrote:
I promised to report results on this activity. I'm pleased with the
results. The accuracy of a decent but inexpensive rifle was
significantly improved with one of the several loads tried today.
There were also some loads (different powder) it didn't shoot well at
all, though it has never shot any load so badly that it'd miss COM on
a deer at 200 yards, which is too far to be shooting deer with a .243.
I think after bedding it is now accurate enough to be used on varmints
out to 300 yards.

http://members.goldengate.net/dforem..._rifle_result/



That's a big dime!
Or one accurate piece...


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On Thu, 06 May 2010 19:29:58 -0500, cavelamb
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Don Foreman wrote:
I promised to report results on this activity. I'm pleased with the
results. The accuracy of a decent but inexpensive rifle was
significantly improved with one of the several loads tried today.
There were also some loads (different powder) it didn't shoot well at
all, though it has never shot any load so badly that it'd miss COM on
a deer at 200 yards, which is too far to be shooting deer with a .243.
I think after bedding it is now accurate enough to be used on varmints
out to 300 yards.

http://members.goldengate.net/dforem..._rifle_result/



That's a big dime!
Or one accurate piece...


The holes really are 6mm dia, not .50 cal. :)

That group wouldn't rate a sneer among bench rest competitors whose
multi-thousand dollar 6mmPPC rifles (with similarly pricey scopes)
routinely punch 0.200" groups at 200 yards. 6mmPPC is ballistically
very similar to .243 Winchester and shoots the same bullets but the
rifles are hand-crafted to very exacting standards, using bull barrels
maybe 1-1/2" in diameter. There were two of those at the range today.
Their owners weren't shooting them anywhere near that well today but I
don't doubt that the rifles are capable.

But I feel pretty good about how my little off-the-rack
consumer-grade Savage, bought from floor stock at The General Store in
Osakis, MN, seems to work after bedding it and doing a bit of load
development. Oh, and moving up to a $195 scope.
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Don Foreman wrote:
I promised to report results on this activity. I'm pleased with the
results. The accuracy of a decent but inexpensive rifle was
significantly improved with one of the several loads tried today.
There were also some loads (different powder) it didn't shoot well at
all, though it has never shot any load so badly that it'd miss COM on
a deer at 200 yards, which is too far to be shooting deer with a .243.
I think after bedding it is now accurate enough to be used on varmints
out to 300 yards.

http://members.goldengate.net/dforem..._rifle_result/



That's a big dime!
Or one accurate piece...


The holes really are 6mm dia, not .50 cal. :)

That group wouldn't rate a sneer among bench rest competitors whose
multi-thousand dollar 6mmPPC rifles (with similarly pricey scopes)
routinely punch 0.200" groups at 200 yards. 6mmPPC is ballistically
very similar to .243 Winchester and shoots the same bullets but the
rifles are hand-crafted to very exacting standards, using bull barrels
maybe 1-1/2" in diameter. There were two of those at the range today.
Their owners weren't shooting them anywhere near that well today but I
don't doubt that the rifles are capable.

But I feel pretty good about how my little off-the-rack
consumer-grade Savage, bought from floor stock at The General Store in
Osakis, MN, seems to work after bedding it and doing a bit of load
development. Oh, and moving up to a $195 scope.


Not sure what you meant by "pillar bedding," but from what I've read and one
of my gun smith buddies says you can dramatically improve most all of those
inexpensive bolt guns by fully bedding them about an inch or so past the
chamber, and then floating the barrel. He says you still get some barrel
warp as they heat up just from variances in thickness, but not as bad as
when one side is in the air, and the other side is pressed against the wood.
Also some guns simply are not bored concentric enough and the higher mass of
metal on one side of the bore will cause it to warp anyway.

Yours is doing very nicely for a low end Savage, although Savage kinda gets
a bad rap sometimes. They make some comparably affordable off the shelf
guns that will shoot very nicely, and I really have not heard of any of
their guns suffering from undue premature wear problems.

Now hear is one for those guys who can't afford a great rifle and don't have
the time or the nerve to make modifications like you did. Sight your
inexpensive out of the box gun in over a very extended time. Bore sight.
Then take your first shot. Then give it 30 minutes or so before taking your
second shot. Proceed in kind. You will find that it will shoot a lot more
consistently than you expect that way. For hunting its no matter. You
rarely get more than one good shot at a single target anyway. You are not
going to turn a $69 1980s import into a $4000 custom match gun, but you will
be able to shoot your one shot and be pretty certain its going to hit were
you pointed it.

I'm certainly no gunsmith, but one of my first clients was a gunsmith and
custom match builder. I used to hang around his shop and talk with him
while he worked.

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On Thu, 06 May 2010 19:29:58 -0500, cavelamb
wrote:

Don Foreman wrote:
I promised to report results on this activity. I'm pleased with the
results. The accuracy of a decent but inexpensive rifle was
significantly improved with one of the several loads tried today.
There were also some loads (different powder) it didn't shoot well at
all, though it has never shot any load so badly that it'd miss COM on
a deer at 200 yards, which is too far to be shooting deer with a .243.
I think after bedding it is now accurate enough to be used on varmints
out to 300 yards.

http://members.goldengate.net/dforem..._rifle_result/



That's a big dime!
Or one accurate piece...


The holes really are 6mm dia, not .50 cal. :)

That group wouldn't rate a sneer among bench rest competitors whose
multi-thousand dollar 6mmPPC rifles (with similarly pricey scopes)
routinely punch 0.200" groups at 200 yards. 6mmPPC is ballistically
very similar to .243 Winchester and shoots the same bullets but the
rifles are hand-crafted to very exacting standards, using bull barrels
maybe 1-1/2" in diameter. There were two of those at the range today.
Their owners weren't shooting them anywhere near that well today but I
don't doubt that the rifles are capable.

But I feel pretty good about how my little off-the-rack
consumer-grade Savage, bought from floor stock at The General Store in
Osakis, MN, seems to work after bedding it and doing a bit of load
development. Oh, and moving up to a $195 scope.


Not sure what you meant by "pillar bedding," but from what I've read and one
of my gun smith buddies says you can dramatically improve most all of those
inexpensive bolt guns by fully bedding them about an inch or so past the
chamber, and then floating the barrel.


That's what I did. Two metal pillars are epoxied into the stock. The
action is mounted on those pillars. The stock is relieved elsewhere
so wood does not touch metal anywhere except perhaps under the tang.
Then epoxy is applied in the gap so support on the action and behind
the recoil lug is uniform. The barrel is free-floating.


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I promised to report results on this activity. I'm pleased with the
results. The accuracy of a decent but inexpensive rifle was
significantly improved with one of the several loads tried today.
There were also some loads (different powder) it didn't shoot well at
all, though it has never shot any load so badly that it'd miss COM on
a deer at 200 yards, which is too far to be shooting deer with a .243.
I think after bedding it is now accurate enough to be used on varmints
out to 300 yards.

http://members.goldengate.net/dforem..._rifle_result/


That works.

Now you know what to use during the Great Cull.

G

Gunner

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that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
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On Thu, 06 May 2010 19:29:58 -0500, cavelamb
wrote:

Don Foreman wrote:
I promised to report results on this activity. I'm pleased with the
results. The accuracy of a decent but inexpensive rifle was
significantly improved with one of the several loads tried today.
There were also some loads (different powder) it didn't shoot well at
all, though it has never shot any load so badly that it'd miss COM on
a deer at 200 yards, which is too far to be shooting deer with a .243.
I think after bedding it is now accurate enough to be used on varmints
out to 300 yards.

http://members.goldengate.net/dforem..._rifle_result/



That's a big dime!
Or one accurate piece...


The holes really are 6mm dia, not .50 cal. :)

That group wouldn't rate a sneer among bench rest competitors whose
multi-thousand dollar 6mmPPC rifles (with similarly pricey scopes)
routinely punch 0.200" groups at 200 yards. 6mmPPC is ballistically
very similar to .243 Winchester and shoots the same bullets but the
rifles are hand-crafted to very exacting standards, using bull barrels
maybe 1-1/2" in diameter. There were two of those at the range today.
Their owners weren't shooting them anywhere near that well today but I
don't doubt that the rifles are capable.

But I feel pretty good about how my little off-the-rack
consumer-grade Savage, bought from floor stock at The General Store in
Osakis, MN, seems to work after bedding it and doing a bit of load
development. Oh, and moving up to a $195 scope.



Savage is probably the most accurate of all the Big 5 manufactures at
the moment.

Its a very very pleasant suprise what the "new" owner, Ronald Coburn,
did with Savage Arms. He took a company that had a very spotty..in some
cases..absolutly ****ty reputation and turned it around.

Ive owned Savage arms for many years and with few exceptions, they were
mediocre pieces of crap designed by mutants. Coburn took over..got them
off virtual bankruptcy and produces some of the finest production arms
ever made.

The only Savage centerfire long gun I ever owned that I really
liked..was a mint+ 24D over and under...20ga Mag under 357 Remington
Maximum. And its the only one Ive ever seen. I cant find any reliable
records of that combination. I carry it a lot when out in the desert
during bird season..as it takes birds and coyotes nicely. Not a bad
score for $150, eh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savage_Arms

Gunner

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that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

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On Thu, 06 May 2010 19:29:58 -0500, cavelamb
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Don Foreman wrote:
I promised to report results on this activity. I'm pleased with the
results. *The accuracy of a decent but inexpensive rifle was
significantly improved with one of the several loads tried today.
There were also some loads (different powder) *it didn't shoot well at
all, though it has never shot any load so badly that it'd miss COM on
a deer at 200 yards, which is too far to be shooting deer with a .243..
I think after bedding it is now accurate enough to be used on varmints
out to 300 yards.


http://members.goldengate.net/dforem..._rifle_result/


That's a big dime!
Or one accurate piece...


The holes really are 6mm dia, not .50 cal. :)


That group wouldn't rate a sneer among bench rest competitors whose
multi-thousand dollar 6mmPPC rifles (with similarly pricey scopes)
routinely punch 0.200" groups at 200 yards. 6mmPPC is ballistically
very similar to .243 Winchester and shoots the same bullets but the
rifles are hand-crafted to very exacting standards, using bull barrels
maybe 1-1/2" in diameter. There were two of those at the range today.
Their owners weren't shooting them anywhere near that well today but I
don't doubt that the rifles are capable.


But I feel pretty good about how my little *off-the-rack
consumer-grade Savage, bought from floor stock at The General Store in
Osakis, MN, *seems to work after bedding it and doing *a bit of load
development. Oh, and moving up to a $195 scope. * * *


Savage is probably the most accurate of all the Big 5 manufactures at
the moment.

Its a very very pleasant suprise what the "new" owner, Ronald Coburn,
did with Savage Arms. *He took a company that had a very spotty..in some
cases..absolutly ****ty reputation and turned it around.

Ive owned Savage arms *for many years and with few exceptions, they were
mediocre pieces of crap designed by mutants. *Coburn took over..got them
off virtual bankruptcy and produces some of the finest production arms
ever made.

The only Savage centerfire long gun I ever owned that I really
liked..was a mint+ 24D over and under...20ga Mag under 357 Remington
Maximum. *And its the only one Ive ever seen. I cant find any reliable
records of that combination. *I carry it a lot when out in the desert
during bird season..as it takes birds and coyotes nicely. *Not a bad
score for $150, eh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savage_Arms

Gunner


Current model Savage guns ARE pillar bedded from the factory and their
"tactical" line goes one better, they've got a machined metal frame
that the whole receiver beds down in, then the works goes in a fiber
stock. They're getting what amounts to match accuracy from production
guns and barrels and for a most reasonable price. The ease of
swapping barrels is just an added plus.

I've not seen that particular combination in a 24, the .357 Maximum
had about 6 months of hooraw from the press, then it died. The 24 was
a barn gun, pure and simple, but the price got to be over $500 and
nobody pays that for a barn gun. Even now, the .22LR over .410s run
$600 at the local shows. Crazy. So hang onto it, it's probably a
collector's item now. Had one fellow at a show that was paying crazy
prices for any over-under he didn't have yet.

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Don Foreman wrote:

I promised to report results on this activity. I'm pleased with the
results. The accuracy of a decent but inexpensive rifle was
significantly improved with one of the several loads tried today.
There were also some loads (different powder) it didn't shoot well at
all, though it has never shot any load so badly that it'd miss COM on
a deer at 200 yards, which is too far to be shooting deer with a .243.
I think after bedding it is now accurate enough to be used on varmints
out to 300 yards.

http://members.goldengate.net/dforem..._rifle_result/



That made the effort worth the while. Excellent results.

Your photo clued me into a piece of software that I need to try out.

http://www.ontargetshooting.com/aboutus.html

Thanks!

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On Thu, 06 May 2010 18:08:19 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

I promised to report results on this activity. I'm pleased with the
results. The accuracy of a decent but inexpensive rifle was
significantly improved with one of the several loads tried today.
There were also some loads (different powder) it didn't shoot well at
all, though it has never shot any load so badly that it'd miss COM on
a deer at 200 yards, which is too far to be shooting deer with a .243.
I think after bedding it is now accurate enough to be used on varmints
out to 300 yards.

http://members.goldengate.net/dforem..._rifle_result/


That works.

Now you know what to use during the Great Cull.

G


Oh golly, I'll miss that party since I don't have a banjo or even much
of a porch.



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On May 7, 2:15*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
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wrote:
On Thu, 06 May 2010 19:29:58 -0500, cavelamb
wrote:


Don Foreman wrote:
I promised to report results on this activity. I'm pleased with the
results. *The accuracy of a decent but inexpensive rifle was
significantly improved with one of the several loads tried today.
There were also some loads (different powder) *it didn't shoot well at
all, though it has never shot any load so badly that it'd miss COM on
a deer at 200 yards, which is too far to be shooting deer with a .243.
I think after bedding it is now accurate enough to be used on varmints
out to 300 yards.


http://members.goldengate.net/dforem..._rifle_result/

That's a big dime!
Or one accurate piece...


The holes really are 6mm dia, not .50 cal. :)


That group wouldn't rate a sneer among bench rest competitors whose
multi-thousand dollar 6mmPPC rifles (with similarly pricey scopes)
routinely punch 0.200" groups at 200 yards. 6mmPPC is ballistically
very similar to .243 Winchester and shoots the same bullets but the
rifles are hand-crafted to very exacting standards, using bull barrels
maybe 1-1/2" in diameter. There were two of those at the range today.
Their owners weren't shooting them anywhere near that well today but I
don't doubt that the rifles are capable.


But I feel pretty good about how my little *off-the-rack
consumer-grade Savage, bought from floor stock at The General Store in
Osakis, MN, *seems to work after bedding it and doing *a bit of load
development. Oh, and moving up to a $195 scope. * * *


Savage is probably the most accurate of all the Big 5 manufactures at
the moment.

Its a very very pleasant suprise what the "new" owner, Ronald Coburn,
did with Savage Arms. *He took a company that had a very spotty..in some
cases..absolutly ****ty reputation and turned it around.

Ive owned Savage arms *for many years and with few exceptions, they were
mediocre pieces of crap designed by mutants. *Coburn took over..got them
off virtual bankruptcy and produces some of the finest production arms
ever made.

The only Savage centerfire long gun I ever owned that I really
liked..was a mint+ 24D over and under...20ga Mag under 357 Remington
Maximum. *And its the only one Ive ever seen. I cant find any reliable
records of that combination. *I carry it a lot when out in the desert
during bird season..as it takes birds and coyotes nicely. *Not a bad
score for $150, eh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savage_Arms

Gunner


Current model Savage guns ARE pillar bedded from the factory and their
"tactical" line goes one better, they've got a machined metal frame
that the whole receiver beds down in, then the works goes in a fiber
stock. They're getting what amounts to match accuracy from production
guns and barrels and for a most reasonable price. The ease of
swapping barrels is just an added plus.

I've not seen that particular combination in a 24, the .357 Maximum
had about 6 months of hooraw from the press, then it died. The 24 was
a barn gun, pure and simple, but the price got to be over $500 and
nobody pays that for a barn gun. Even now, the .22LR over .410s run
$600 at the local shows. Crazy. So hang onto it, it's probably a
collector's item now. Had one fellow at a show that was paying crazy
prices for any over-under he didn't have yet.

Stan


Oddly enough..the Maximum is a pretty decent round. Near 357 Herret
velocities with nearly the same size bullet out of a handgun and out of
a rifle..it actually approaches..though distantly..the 35 Remington, if
you can believe that.

D models were made on walnut stocks with decent bluing and polish.
When I bought it some years ago, the fellow I bought it from, at a gun
show had brought in a bunch of guns and was looking for miltiary style
California legal arms and was wheeling and dealing to snag something
before the Ban came into effect. I glanced at it. saw it was a nice
looking weapon and thought it was a 357 Magnum upper. So we haggled a
bit, I flipped out cash, he took it and I walked carried it back to my
table and stood it in the corner. Buddy came by, we shot the **** for a
few and he commented on the Savage. After looking it over..his eyebrows
rose a bit and asked me if I had any brass for it. I told him I had many
thousand..and he asked...Maximum brass???.. I blinked, grabbed it back
and looked close..and sure as ****..it was a Maximum. So I had to go
roust around until I found 50 new cases and paid a freaking premium for
them. Next day, Id loaded some test rounds for it, took it to the range
and found what it liked. What surprised me, was it was pumping about a
1" 5shot group at 50 yrds, with the crude folding sights. So I went
home, loaded all the cases with its favorite load and thats what Ive
been toting ever since. Tried a few other rounds over the years, found a
cast bullet and a JHP load that it likes and I keep a few hundred rounds
worked up for it. It shoots 20ga damned well, though its not a Perazzi
trap gun.

Ive taken all manner of dove, quail, chukker and bunnies and also a
deer, about a half dozen wild boars, a **** load of coyotes and whatnot.

I carry it a lot, dont shoot it much, but its a nice addition to the
battery. Its not a paper puncher..but it has a decent wallop, about like
a 3030 and is a pretty fair untilty arm for wandering around in the
desert.

I seem to run into odd but cool stuff now and then....chuckle.

Gunner

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that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
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homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
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Don Foreman wrote:

I promised to report results on this activity. I'm pleased with the
results. The accuracy of a decent but inexpensive rifle was
significantly improved with one of the several loads tried today.
There were also some loads (different powder) it didn't shoot well at
all, though it has never shot any load so badly that it'd miss COM on
a deer at 200 yards, which is too far to be shooting deer with a .243.
I think after bedding it is now accurate enough to be used on varmints
out to 300 yards.

http://members.goldengate.net/dforem..._rifle_result/



That made the effort worth the while. Excellent results.

Your photo clued me into a piece of software that I need to try out.

http://www.ontargetshooting.com/aboutus.html

Thanks!

Wes



Hey thanks! Ive got an elderly hand scanner I can run on the laptop at
the range!

Gunner

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that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
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On Fri, 07 May 2010 13:00:33 -0700, Gunner Asch
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On Thu, 06 May 2010 18:08:19 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

I promised to report results on this activity. I'm pleased with the
results. The accuracy of a decent but inexpensive rifle was
significantly improved with one of the several loads tried today.
There were also some loads (different powder) it didn't shoot well at
all, though it has never shot any load so badly that it'd miss COM on
a deer at 200 yards, which is too far to be shooting deer with a .243.
I think after bedding it is now accurate enough to be used on varmints
out to 300 yards.

http://members.goldengate.net/dforem..._rifle_result/


That works.

Now you know what to use during the Great Cull.

G


Oh golly, I'll miss that party since I don't have a banjo or even much
of a porch.


Nah...you dont need a banjo OR a porch. When the Great Cull
starts..herds of leftwingers will be on the run and you know how they
are...criminal and mentally ill for the most part. So they will move
into towns and steal everything not bolted down while passing through.

Like felonious caribou. So you simply use the .243 to thin out the herd
so they dont attack the next town so badly, and those thin out the herd
even more and so on and so forth, until they are down in numbers low
enough that kind people can use them hooked to a plow or weeding in the
garden, kept for raw labor and fed simple but good food..like dog
kibble...shrug

But you do have to watch them, they are lazy, deranged and mentally ill.

Gunner

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The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

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Don Foreman wrote:

I promised to report results on this activity. I'm pleased with the
results. The accuracy of a decent but inexpensive rifle was
significantly improved with one of the several loads tried today.
There were also some loads (different powder) it didn't shoot well at
all, though it has never shot any load so badly that it'd miss COM on
a deer at 200 yards, which is too far to be shooting deer with a .243.
I think after bedding it is now accurate enough to be used on varmints
out to 300 yards.

http://members.goldengate.net/dforem..._rifle_result/



That made the effort worth the while. Excellent results.

Your photo clued me into a piece of software that I need to try out.

http://www.ontargetshooting.com/aboutus.html

Thanks!

Wes



Hey thanks! Ive got an elderly hand scanner I can run on the laptop at
the range!

Gunner


That'll work, or you can use any digital camera. The software accepts
..jpg files. You'll need a size reference on the image. A dime is
..701 dia.
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Gunner Asch wrote:

Nah...you dont need a banjo OR a porch. When the Great Cull
starts..herds of leftwingers will be on the run and you know how they
are...criminal and mentally ill for the most part. So they will move
into towns and steal everything not bolted down while passing through.

Like felonious caribou. So you simply use the .243 to thin out the herd
so they dont attack the next town so badly, and those thin out the herd
even more and so on and so forth, until they are down in numbers low
enough that kind people can use them hooked to a plow or weeding in the
garden, kept for raw labor and fed simple but good food..like dog
kibble...shrug

But you do have to watch them, they are lazy, deranged and mentally ill.



That's only the 'good' ones. The rest are 'much' worse.

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