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Ok... I have tried a number of different off the shelf plastic spray
bottles. They all seem to fail in fairly short order. Some will work again if you (yuck!) suck on the nozzle for a second. Its like they lose their prime and won't self prime again. I have noticed that the pumps in the commercial products (rather than the bottles bought as generics) seem to hold up better. I've got an old Meguiers clean and shine product bottle that has had a dozen refills of misc gunk through it and it still works ok. Currently its filled with vinegar and water for removing hard water and river gunk from my boat when I bring it back from the river. The thing is I would like to be able to find a source for spray / squirt bottles with pumps that will hold up. I need to spray various things from oil to WD to cleaner and none of the pumps seem to last. I bought a gallon of WD and a bottle with their label on it about a month ago, and already the pump is experiencing lost prime and won't pump back up without a little help. If I set it down for half an hour and pick it back up it will have lost its prime. Gack. |
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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... Ok... I have tried a number of different off the shelf plastic spray bottles. They all seem to fail in fairly short order. Some will work again if you (yuck!) suck on the nozzle for a second. Its like they lose their prime and won't self prime again. I have noticed that the pumps in the commercial products (rather than the bottles bought as generics) seem to hold up better. I've got an old Meguiers clean and shine product bottle that has had a dozen refills of misc gunk through it and it still works ok. Currently its filled with vinegar and water for removing hard water and river gunk from my boat when I bring it back from the river. The thing is I would like to be able to find a source for spray / squirt bottles with pumps that will hold up. I need to spray various things from oil to WD to cleaner and none of the pumps seem to last. I bought a gallon of WD and a bottle with their label on it about a month ago, and already the pump is experiencing lost prime and won't pump back up without a little help. If I set it down for half an hour and pick it back up it will have lost its prime. Gack. I have a bunch of the ones that Home Depot sells, under their own brand. I don't use them with oil but I have used them with commercial detergents that destroy any recycled bottle in about a week, and I've used them with bleach. (I don't leave the bleach standing in them, however). After about three years, I haven't had one fail yet. Good ones are out there. Aside from that experience, I don't know where else I would look, but you probably can find ratings for the ones that are commercially available. -- Ed Huntress |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
... "Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... Ok... I have tried a number of different off the shelf plastic spray bottles. They all seem to fail in fairly short order. Some will work again if you (yuck!) suck on the nozzle for a second. Its like they lose their prime and won't self prime again. I have noticed that the pumps in the commercial products (rather than the bottles bought as generics) seem to hold up better. I've got an old Meguiers clean and shine product bottle that has had a dozen refills of misc gunk through it and it still works ok. Currently its filled with vinegar and water for removing hard water and river gunk from my boat when I bring it back from the river. The thing is I would like to be able to find a source for spray / squirt bottles with pumps that will hold up. I need to spray various things from oil to WD to cleaner and none of the pumps seem to last. I bought a gallon of WD and a bottle with their label on it about a month ago, and already the pump is experiencing lost prime and won't pump back up without a little help. If I set it down for half an hour and pick it back up it will have lost its prime. Gack. I have a bunch of the ones that Home Depot sells, under their own brand. I don't use them with oil but I have used them with commercial detergents that destroy any recycled bottle in about a week, and I've used them with bleach. (I don't leave the bleach standing in them, however). After about three years, I haven't had one fail yet. Good ones are out there. Aside from that experience, I don't know where else I would look, but you probably can find ratings for the ones that are commercially available. -- Ed Huntress The only other thing I thought of is to buy some cheap pneumatic paint sprayers and modify the nozzles as needed. If I need portable use an air storage tank. I'ld need a regulator on it too of course. |
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On Apr 30, 9:16*am, "Bob La Londe" wrote:
Ok... *I have tried a number of different off the shelf plastic spray bottles. *They all seem to fail in fairly short order. *Some will work again if you (yuck!) suck on the nozzle for a second. *Its like they lose their prime and won't self prime again. I have noticed that the pumps in the commercial products (rather than the bottles bought as generics) seem to hold up better. *I've got an old Meguiers clean and shine product bottle that has had a dozen refills of misc gunk through it and it still works ok. *Currently its filled with vinegar and water for removing hard water and river gunk from my boat when I bring it back from the river. The thing is I would like to be able to find a source for spray / squirt bottles with pumps that will hold up. *I need to spray various things from oil to WD to cleaner and none of the pumps seem to last. *I bought a gallon of WD and a bottle with their label on it about a month ago, and already the pump is experiencing lost prime and won't pump back up without a little help. *If I set it down for half an hour and pick it back up it will have lost its prime. Gack. There's a wide variation in what's in the innards of those things(the cheaper, the better, from the OEM standpoint), usually the check ball/ spring combination and the plunger seal are all selected to be inert to the product they're pumping(but not always). Anything with acid in it I would suspect would eat the check ball spring if it was intended for petroleum products only and anything intended for water-base products I would suspect wouldn't last very long pumping petroleum- based stuff. I use the bottles that the stuff came in for refills from gallons. Your WD40 sprayer, I presume, was a fine chink product intended for something else but relabeled. For that sort of stuff I have metal sprayers that can be pressurized with shop air or even a bicycle pump. Stan |
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On 2010-04-30, Ed Huntress wrote:
don't use them with oil but I have used them with commercial detergents that destroy any recycled bottle in about a week, and I've used them with bleach. (I don't leave the bleach standing in them, however). After about three years, I haven't had one fail yet. They fail on me quickly. The ones from McMaster Carr seem to hold up better. Good ones are out there. Aside from that experience, I don't know where else I would look, but you probably can find ratings for the ones that are commercially available. |
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... On Apr 30, 9:16 am, "Bob La Londe" wrote: Ok... I have tried a number of different off the shelf plastic spray bottles. They all seem to fail in fairly short order. Some will work again if you (yuck!) suck on the nozzle for a second. Its like they lose their prime and won't self prime again. I have noticed that the pumps in the commercial products (rather than the bottles bought as generics) seem to hold up better. I've got an old Meguiers clean and shine product bottle that has had a dozen refills of misc gunk through it and it still works ok. Currently its filled with vinegar and water for removing hard water and river gunk from my boat when I bring it back from the river. The thing is I would like to be able to find a source for spray / squirt bottles with pumps that will hold up. I need to spray various things from oil to WD to cleaner and none of the pumps seem to last. I bought a gallon of WD and a bottle with their label on it about a month ago, and already the pump is experiencing lost prime and won't pump back up without a little help. If I set it down for half an hour and pick it back up it will have lost its prime. Gack. There's a wide variation in what's in the innards of those things(the cheaper, the better, from the OEM standpoint), usually the check ball/ spring combination and the plunger seal are all selected to be inert to the product they're pumping(but not always). Anything with acid in it I would suspect would eat the check ball spring if it was intended for petroleum products only and anything intended for water-base products I would suspect wouldn't last very long pumping petroleum- based stuff. I use the bottles that the stuff came in for refills from gallons. Your WD40 sprayer, I presume, was a fine chink product intended for something else but relabeled. For that sort of stuff I have metal sprayers that can be pressurized with shop air or even a bicycle pump. Stan Hmmm.... after reading your post I did a quick search. They can be quite expensive can't they. ($30 -$100) I wonder for some media if it might not be frugal to take a cheap paint sprayer and add a schrader valve in place of an air fitting. Should hold up to paint, oil, and water based chemical. Might not hold up to corrosives, or some caustic cleaners, but for most other things it should be fine. |
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"Ignoramus9191" wrote in message ... On 2010-04-30, Ed Huntress wrote: don't use them with oil but I have used them with commercial detergents that destroy any recycled bottle in about a week, and I've used them with bleach. (I don't leave the bleach standing in them, however). After about three years, I haven't had one fail yet. They fail on me quickly. The ones from McMaster Carr seem to hold up better. What do you put in them? I've sprayed a 30% lye solution, which is getting viscous and is hard to spray. At 40%, it's getting thick. I've also left industrial detergent in them for over a year with no problem. -- Ed Huntress |
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On Apr 30, 11:16*am, "Bob La Londe" wrote:
Ok... *I have tried a number of different off the shelf plastic spray bottles. *They all seem to fail in fairly short order. *Some will work again if you (yuck!) suck on the nozzle for a second. *Its like they lose their prime and won't self prime again. I have noticed that the pumps in the commercial products (rather than the bottles bought as generics) seem to hold up better. *I've got an old Meguiers clean and shine product bottle that has had a dozen refills of misc gunk through it and it still works ok. *Currently its filled with vinegar and water for removing hard water and river gunk from my boat when I bring it back from the river. The thing is I would like to be able to find a source for spray / squirt bottles with pumps that will hold up. *I need to spray various things from oil to WD to cleaner and none of the pumps seem to last. *I bought a gallon of WD and a bottle with their label on it about a month ago, and already the pump is experiencing lost prime and won't pump back up without a little help. *If I set it down for half an hour and pick it back up it will have lost its prime. Gack. I've got a WD-40 sprayer that cam with a gallon tin of the stuff that has been working for probably 15 years. (Holy crap, I've had that thing 15 years?) Dave |
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In the 1980s, maybe 86 or so. I ordered a gal of WD with the
sprayer. Picture in the catalog (company since has been renamed) was obviously a metal sprayer, with trigger spray. The one that arrived was plastic. I was very disappointed. Sometimes you can reprime them: 1) Squeeze trigger 2) Put finger snugly over the sprayer hold 3) Release trigger (you can feel the liquid being pulled....) 4) finger off sprayer, and try the spray trigger again Sometimes you can restart balky fire department Indian tanks that way, too. BTDT. With Indian tanks, you thumb over the nozzle, pull the slide, and then release. Push the slide, see if you got any water. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Dave__67" wrote in message news:f65b108e-d878-4d0a-8242-5 I've got a WD-40 sprayer that cam with a gallon tin of the stuff that has been working for probably 15 years. (Holy crap, I've had that thing 15 years?) Dave |
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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... Ok... I have tried a number of different off the shelf plastic spray bottles. They all seem to fail in fairly short order. Some will work again if you (yuck!) suck on the nozzle for a second. Its like they lose their prime and won't self prime again. I have noticed that the pumps in the commercial products (rather than the bottles bought as generics) seem to hold up better. I've got an old Meguiers clean and shine product bottle that has had a dozen refills of misc gunk through it and it still works ok. Currently its filled with vinegar and water for removing hard water and river gunk from my boat when I bring it back from the river. The thing is I would like to be able to find a source for spray / squirt bottles with pumps that will hold up. I need to spray various things from oil to WD to cleaner and none of the pumps seem to last. I bought a gallon of WD and a bottle with their label on it about a month ago, and already the pump is experiencing lost prime and won't pump back up without a little help. If I set it down for half an hour and pick it back up it will have lost its prime. Gack. Empty 20 oz. coke bottle, drill eight inch hole in lid, done. basilsik |
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"basilisk" wrote in message news:CaGCn.235625\ Empty 20 oz. coke bottle, drill eight inch hole in lid, done. Now that would be a neat trick. |
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On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 08:48:31 -0700, "Bob La Londe"
wrote: wrote in message ... On Apr 30, 9:16 am, "Bob La Londe" wrote: Ok... I have tried a number of different off the shelf plastic spray bottles. They all seem to fail in fairly short order. Some will work again if you (yuck!) suck on the nozzle for a second. Its like they lose their prime and won't self prime again. I have noticed that the pumps in the commercial products (rather than the bottles bought as generics) seem to hold up better. I've got an old Meguiers clean and shine product bottle that has had a dozen refills of misc gunk through it and it still works ok. Currently its filled with vinegar and water for removing hard water and river gunk from my boat when I bring it back from the river. The thing is I would like to be able to find a source for spray / squirt bottles with pumps that will hold up. I need to spray various things from oil to WD to cleaner and none of the pumps seem to last. I bought a gallon of WD and a bottle with their label on it about a month ago, and already the pump is experiencing lost prime and won't pump back up without a little help. If I set it down for half an hour and pick it back up it will have lost its prime. Gack. There's a wide variation in what's in the innards of those things(the cheaper, the better, from the OEM standpoint), usually the check ball/ spring combination and the plunger seal are all selected to be inert to the product they're pumping(but not always). Anything with acid in it I would suspect would eat the check ball spring if it was intended for petroleum products only and anything intended for water-base products I would suspect wouldn't last very long pumping petroleum- based stuff. I use the bottles that the stuff came in for refills from gallons. Your WD40 sprayer, I presume, was a fine chink product intended for something else but relabeled. For that sort of stuff I have metal sprayers that can be pressurized with shop air or even a bicycle pump. Stan Hmmm.... after reading your post I did a quick search. They can be quite expensive can't they. ($30 -$100) I wonder for some media if it might not be frugal to take a cheap paint sprayer and add a schrader valve in place of an air fitting. Should hold up to paint, oil, and water based chemical. Might not hold up to corrosives, or some caustic cleaners, but for most other things it should be fine. http://www.amazon.com/AES-Industries.../dp/B002D3WXMU Harbor Freight used to sell these for about $10 Ive got a number of them that I use regularly for everything from WD40 to Acetone, to spray paint Gunner "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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Those "sure shot" atomizers are a bit expensive but might work.
http://www.sureshotsprayer.com/ DOC Something about beer... http://bogusbeer.appspot.com/ |
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On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 08:16:23 -0700, "Bob La Londe"
wrote: Ok... I have tried a number of different off the shelf plastic spray bottles. They all seem to fail in fairly short order. Some will work again if you (yuck!) suck on the nozzle for a second. Its like they lose their prime and won't self prime again. I have noticed that the pumps in the commercial products (rather than the bottles bought as generics) seem to hold up better. I've got an old Meguiers clean and shine product bottle that has had a dozen refills of misc gunk through it and it still works ok. Currently its filled with vinegar and water for removing hard water and river gunk from my boat when I bring it back from the river. The thing is I would like to be able to find a source for spray / squirt bottles with pumps that will hold up. I need to spray various things from oil to WD to cleaner and none of the pumps seem to last. I bought a gallon of WD and a bottle with their label on it about a month ago, and already the pump is experiencing lost prime and won't pump back up without a little help. If I set it down for half an hour and pick it back up it will have lost its prime. Gack. This is the best sprayer that I've found so far. It holds up better with most things. I've had vinegar and peroxide solution in one for more than 2 years before it started giving me trouble. Most sprayers would last about a month with that in it. McMaster has them as well as lot of other places. http://www.deltasprayers.com/product...av=9&PrdNav=16 |
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On Sat, 01 May 2010 11:37:39 -0500, Wayne Cook
wrote: On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 08:16:23 -0700, "Bob La Londe" wrote: Ok... I have tried a number of different off the shelf plastic spray bottles. They all seem to fail in fairly short order. Some will work again if you (yuck!) suck on the nozzle for a second. Its like they lose their prime and won't self prime again. I have noticed that the pumps in the commercial products (rather than the bottles bought as generics) seem to hold up better. I've got an old Meguiers clean and shine product bottle that has had a dozen refills of misc gunk through it and it still works ok. Currently its filled with vinegar and water for removing hard water and river gunk from my boat when I bring it back from the river. The thing is I would like to be able to find a source for spray / squirt bottles with pumps that will hold up. I need to spray various things from oil to WD to cleaner and none of the pumps seem to last. I bought a gallon of WD and a bottle with their label on it about a month ago, and already the pump is experiencing lost prime and won't pump back up without a little help. If I set it down for half an hour and pick it back up it will have lost its prime. Gack. This is the best sprayer that I've found so far. It holds up better with most things. I've had vinegar and peroxide solution in one for more than 2 years before it started giving me trouble. Most sprayers would last about a month with that in it. McMaster has them as well as lot of other places. http://www.deltasprayers.com/product...av=9&PrdNav=16 That actually reads pretty good and they are honest about their sprayers. How much are they and where can we buy less than 30 to the case? Gunner "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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On Sat, 01 May 2010 11:37:39 -0500, the infamous Wayne Cook
scrawled the following: On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 08:16:23 -0700, "Bob La Londe" wrote: Ok... I have tried a number of different off the shelf plastic spray bottles. They all seem to fail in fairly short order. Some will work again if you (yuck!) suck on the nozzle for a second. Its like they lose their prime and won't self prime again. I have noticed that the pumps in the commercial products (rather than the bottles bought as generics) seem to hold up better. I've got an old Meguiers clean and shine product bottle that has had a dozen refills of misc gunk through it and it still works ok. Currently its filled with vinegar and water for removing hard water and river gunk from my boat when I bring it back from the river. The thing is I would like to be able to find a source for spray / squirt bottles with pumps that will hold up. I need to spray various things from oil to WD to cleaner and none of the pumps seem to last. I bought a gallon of WD and a bottle with their label on it about a month ago, and already the pump is experiencing lost prime and won't pump back up without a little help. If I set it down for half an hour and pick it back up it will have lost its prime. Gack. This is the best sprayer that I've found so far. It holds up better with most things. I've had vinegar and peroxide solution in one for more than 2 years before it started giving me trouble. Most sprayers would last about a month with that in it. McMaster has them as well as lot of other places. http://www.deltasprayers.com/product...av=9&PrdNav=16 Cool, only about $6 a pop. I go through sprayers quickly with chlorine/water in the kitchen, so one of these would pay for itself within a year. -- Courage is the power to let go of the familiar. -- Raymond Lindquist |
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On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:48:48 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 08:48:31 -0700, "Bob La Londe" wrote: wrote in message ... On Apr 30, 9:16 am, "Bob La Londe" wrote: Ok... I have tried a number of different off the shelf plastic spray bottles. They all seem to fail in fairly short order. Some will work again if you (yuck!) suck on the nozzle for a second. Its like they lose their prime and won't self prime again. I have noticed that the pumps in the commercial products (rather than the bottles bought as generics) seem to hold up better. I've got an old Meguiers clean and shine product bottle that has had a dozen refills of misc gunk through it and it still works ok. Currently its filled with vinegar and water for removing hard water and river gunk from my boat when I bring it back from the river. The thing is I would like to be able to find a source for spray / squirt bottles with pumps that will hold up. I need to spray various things from oil to WD to cleaner and none of the pumps seem to last. I bought a gallon of WD and a bottle with their label on it about a month ago, and already the pump is experiencing lost prime and won't pump back up without a little help. If I set it down for half an hour and pick it back up it will have lost its prime. Gack. There's a wide variation in what's in the innards of those things(the cheaper, the better, from the OEM standpoint), usually the check ball/ spring combination and the plunger seal are all selected to be inert to the product they're pumping(but not always). Anything with acid in it I would suspect would eat the check ball spring if it was intended for petroleum products only and anything intended for water-base products I would suspect wouldn't last very long pumping petroleum- based stuff. I use the bottles that the stuff came in for refills from gallons. Your WD40 sprayer, I presume, was a fine chink product intended for something else but relabeled. For that sort of stuff I have metal sprayers that can be pressurized with shop air or even a bicycle pump. Stan Hmmm.... after reading your post I did a quick search. They can be quite expensive can't they. ($30 -$100) I wonder for some media if it might not be frugal to take a cheap paint sprayer and add a schrader valve in place of an air fitting. Should hold up to paint, oil, and water based chemical. Might not hold up to corrosives, or some caustic cleaners, but for most other things it should be fine. http://www.amazon.com/AES-Industries.../dp/B002D3WXMU Harbor Freight used to sell these for about $10 Ive got a number of them that I use regularly for everything from WD40 to Acetone, to spray paint Gunner IIRC, I paid 4.95 for one in Feb. Gerry :-)} London, Canada |
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Gerald Miller wrote: IIRC, I paid 4.95 for one in Feb. Gerry :-)} London, Canada http://www.harborfreightusa.com/usa/itemdisplay/displayItem.do?itemid=1102&CategoryName=&SubCatego ryName= -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge. |
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