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On 5/2/2010 9:46 PM, Gerald Miller wrote:
(...) Like the Lumina APV driver's door exterior handle (...) I told the clerk to put it back on the shelf and I would repair the broken one. He looked at me as if I had four ears but sarcastically wished me luck. Back home I drilled and tapped the post and reassembled the mechanism with a 5M cap screw + lock tight. No more problems until the vehicle was written off 7 years latter. Two RCM attaboys, Gerry! --Winston |
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On Mon, 03 May 2010 00:46:22 -0400, the infamous Gerald Miller
scrawled the following: On Sun, 2 May 2010 21:54:27 -0700, "Steve B" wrote: "Winston" wrote in message ... Was at the hardware store looking for a wheeled plastic trash can for yard cleanup. There was only one that matched my size requirement. Pulled it off the shelf and one of the wheels fell off! The end of the axle was dinged and apparently would not allow the 'top hat' nut to stay fixed. Figured I could fix it, so I bought it. Drilled and tapped the end of the axle for 1/4-20 and parted off a piece of tubing to make a spacer. Wheel back on with a machine screw, washer and spacer. It works a treat and I am *much* happier than I have a right to be! You rich Californicators love getting that nickel discount, don't you? titter I have fixed more than one $1 garden cart, two wheel dolly, or wheeled device for pennies in the shop. Some were actually a few bucks, but there was always a profit at the next yard sale. Ditto. And I never tell the seller how I'll fix it. They may have more in the future and I don't want to encourage them to attempt fixing other things I might want. Like the Lumina APV driver's door exterior handle, a "bell crank" is mounted to a pot metal post by peening over the end of a 5mm pivot on top of the post, when the pivot snaps off, the handle just flops around. Having a broken wrist at the time, and having replaced both exterior handles previously (when the low strength casting bent out of shape) at $27.00 each, I visited the nearest Chevy parts counter. When he rang it up at $69.++, I told the clerk to put it back on the shelf and I would repair the broken one. He looked at me as if I had four ears but sarcastically wished me luck. Back home I drilled and tapped the post and reassembled the mechanism with a 5M cap screw + lock tight. No more problems until the vehicle was written off 7 years latter. Gerry, me lad, you've just led me to the discovery of why so many people buy Chebbies: They _like_ the fact that their POS cars are always breaking down because they're inescapably "fixers" at heart. It gives them justification to buy more tools and use them often. As is said in some 12-step circles, "Some are sicker than others." Question: Will you buy a -new- Obamamobile in the future? -- Courage is the power to let go of the familiar. -- Raymond Lindquist |
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On Sun, 02 May 2010 22:42:10 -0700, the infamous Winston
scrawled the following: On 5/2/2010 9:54 PM, Steve B wrote: wrote in message ... Was at the hardware store looking for a wheeled plastic trash can for yard cleanup. There was only one that matched my size requirement. Pulled it off the shelf and one of the wheels fell off! The end of the axle was dinged and apparently would not allow the 'top hat' nut to stay fixed. Figured I could fix it, so I bought it. Drilled and tapped the end of the axle for 1/4-20 and parted off a piece of tubing to make a spacer. Wheel back on with a machine screw, washer and spacer. It works a treat and I am *much* happier than I have a right to be! --Winston I have fixed more than one $1 garden cart, two wheel dolly, or wheeled device for pennies in the shop. Some were actually a few bucks, but there was always a profit at the next yard sale. Yup. I don't know about others but I experience a disproportionate 'warm and fuzzy' feeling when I repair something like that. We're the original recyclers, before all the enviros got involved. It's the same deal in fixing flat tires Isn't it amazing how the air just seems to know where to go, and does so? The flat part of the tire always gets filled first. or the odd garage door opener for neighbors. Whoa, man. That must be a lot larger than a beer bottle opener. If I could find a way to bottle that feeling, I would be very wealthy indeed. The Chinese discovered the poppy way long ago, sir. P.S: And if you believe those lines above (other than the first, which is actually true) I have some very moist, fertile land in Flowda to sell to you. http://fwd4.me/MSV -- Courage is the power to let go of the familiar. -- Raymond Lindquist |
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On Sun, 02 May 2010 22:31:02 -0700, the infamous Winston
scrawled the following: On 5/2/2010 2:50 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote: On May 2, 2:28 pm, wrote: Was at the hardware store looking for a wheeled plastic trash can for yard cleanup. There was only one that matched my size requirement. Pulled it off the shelf and one of the wheels fell off! The end of the axle was dinged and apparently would not allow the 'top hat' nut to stay fixed. Figured I could fix it, so I bought it. Drilled and tapped the end of the axle for 1/4-20 and parted off a piece of tubing to make a spacer. Wheel back on with a machine screw, washer and spacer. It works a treat and I am *much* happier than I have a right to be! --Winston I'd be happy if I got it for half price with that hopelessly unrepairable defect. You are right, of course. I *should* have asked for a discount. I was in a good mood though and the thought just didn't occur at the time. Turn in your Handyman Club of America card immediately, young man. -- Courage is the power to let go of the familiar. -- Raymond Lindquist |
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On 5/3/2010 6:36 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
(...) wrote in message ... Was at the hardware store looking for a wheeled plastic trash can for yard cleanup. There was only one that matched my size requirement. Pulled it off the shelf and one of the wheels fell off! The end of the axle was dinged and apparently would not allow the 'top hat' nut to stay fixed. Figured I could fix it, so I bought it. Drilled and tapped the end of the axle for 1/4-20 and parted off a piece of tubing to make a spacer. Wheel back on with a machine screw, washer and spacer. It works a treat and I am *much* happier than I have a right to be! You rich Californicators love getting that nickel discount, don't you? titter (?) I paid full retail for a wheeled trash can that I knew was broken at the time, just because I was happy to have something to repair. The psychology behind this is left as an exercise for the student. Sorry, old bean. Can't quite cipher your jargon, Over. --Winston |
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On 5/3/2010 6:43 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sun, 02 May 2010 22:42:10 -0700, the infamous Winston scrawled the following: (...) Yup. I don't know about others but I experience a disproportionate 'warm and fuzzy' feeling when I repair something like that. We're the original recyclers, before all the enviros got involved. Pappy was a recycler before recycling was cool. It's the same deal in fixing flat tires Isn't it amazing how the air just seems to know where to go, and does so? The flat part of the tire always gets filled first. Clearly God is on our side. :P or the odd garage door opener for neighbors. Whoa, man. That must be a lot larger than a beer bottle opener. You don't want to open that door right after an earthquake. A bunch of Yugos squirt out all over your hands. If I could find a way to bottle that feeling, I would be very wealthy indeed. The Chinese discovered the poppy way long ago, sir. Validation! P.S: And if you believe those lines above (other than the first, which is actually true) I have some very moist, fertile land in Flowda to sell to you. http://fwd4.me/MSV Tell me they dropped the word 'gullible' from the dictionary and I will believe you, because I am a Proud American Consumer. --Winston |
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On 5/3/2010 6:44 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sun, 02 May 2010 22:31:02 -0700, the infamous Winston scrawled the following: On 5/2/2010 2:50 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote: (...) I'd be happy if I got it for half price with that hopelessly unrepairable defect. You are right, of course. I *should* have asked for a discount. I was in a good mood though and the thought just didn't occur at the time. Turn in your Handyman Club of America card immediately, young man. Can I still use the Secret Handshake? --Winston |
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Winston wrote: On 5/3/2010 6:44 AM, Larry Jaques wrote: On Sun, 02 May 2010 22:31:02 -0700, the infamous Winston scrawled the following: On 5/2/2010 2:50 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote: (...) I'd be happy if I got it for half price with that hopelessly unrepairable defect. You are right, of course. I *should* have asked for a discount. I was in a good mood though and the thought just didn't occur at the time. Turn in your Handyman Club of America card immediately, young man. Can I still use the Secret Handshake? Doesn't that require at least one missing finger? -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge. |
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Repairing an abraded poly(?) trashcan (was: Having a...
On Sun, 02 May 2010 22:42:10 -0700, Winston wrote:
[...] Yup. I don't know about others but I experience a disproportionate 'warm and fuzzy' feeling when I repair something like that. It's the same deal in fixing flat tires or the odd garage door opener for neighbors. If I could find a way to bottle that feeling, I would be very wealthy indeed. --Winston Since you're in such a good mood... grin Do you have any suggestions for repairing an old-ish city-provided "supercan"? This is one of those large green plastic cans with wheels, a hinged black lid, and bolted-on tubing that is designed to be lifted by the city trash collection trucks. I'm not certain what kind of plastic it is, but it's thick-ish (1/8"?), flexible, and I'm assuming it's some sort of polyethylene. For the most part the can is in great shape, but through a couple of decades of being dragged rather than rolled the bottom front has worn through. Since the abrasion is pretty much limited to the front and a bit on the sides it hasn't started letting bags and stuff drop out as it's being rolled, but I assume that will eventually happen. My first thought was sheet aluminium (Metal Content!!) tacked on with pop rivets, and the bottom portion doubled over to add a bit more wear protection. However, I'm concerned with how aluminium would react with garbage leakage -- it might get eaten through faster by organics than pavement weares it away. I also have to be careful not to obstruct the "pickup" path up the front of the can. A smarter person would have called the Richmond DPU months ago, but I look at it and see how much of it is still in good shape, and I put off calling. I haven't had any luck finding sheet poly at the local Home Depot or Lowes. Any ideas? Or is this a Complete Waste of Time? Frank McKenney -- Indeed, the first step in applying someone's "optimal" formulation is deciding if their "optimal" comes within the bounds of your "good enough". -- Tim Wescott, in a comp.dsp post -- Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887 Munged E-mail: frank uscore mckenney ayut mined spring dawt cahm (y'all) |
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Winston wrote:
Yup. I don't know about others but I experience a disproportionate 'warm and fuzzy' feeling when I repair something like that. .... I 'spect that a much-larger-than-average proportion of RCM'ers feel that way. I certainly do. Just the other day I got a broken recip saw from a neighbor. Not because I need one - I have 2, & not because he wants it fixed - he'd already bought a new one. Just because I was curious about the failure (side-to-side blade motion) & if I could fix it. Bob |
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On Mon, 03 May 2010 14:01:36 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
wrote: Winston wrote: Yup. I don't know about others but I experience a disproportionate 'warm and fuzzy' feeling when I repair something like that. ... I 'spect that a much-larger-than-average proportion of RCM'ers feel that way. I certainly do. Just the other day I got a broken recip saw from a neighbor. Not because I need one - I have 2, & not because he wants it fixed - he'd already bought a new one. Just because I was curious about the failure (side-to-side blade motion) & if I could fix it. Bob Didcha fix it yet? VBG Gunner, who now has 4 recip saws aquired the same way.....all fixed -- "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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Gunner Asch wrote:
Didcha fix it yet? Not yet, but it's 3rd in line. Maybe 4th. Bob |
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Gunner Asch wrote:
Bob Engelhardt wrote: ... Just the other day I got a broken recip saw from a neighbor. ... I was curious about the failure (side-to-side blade motion) & if I could fix it. Didcha fix it yet? Just did! And I don't think that I'll have the heart to tell my neighbor what was wrong. The recip shaft rides in a "carrier tube assembly" inside the front housing. That carrier tube is secured with a screw on each side. One screw was loose, allowing the tube & shaft to wobble side to side! Tightened it & I've got a Porter Cable Tiger saw ready to go! (10A, variable speed, quick change blade holder.) If only he had called me first. Damn, that was satisfying, Bob |
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On Mon, 03 May 2010 06:59:36 -0700, the infamous Winston
scrawled the following: On 5/3/2010 6:36 AM, Larry Jaques wrote: (...) wrote in message ... Was at the hardware store looking for a wheeled plastic trash can for yard cleanup. There was only one that matched my size requirement. Pulled it off the shelf and one of the wheels fell off! The end of the axle was dinged and apparently would not allow the 'top hat' nut to stay fixed. Figured I could fix it, so I bought it. Drilled and tapped the end of the axle for 1/4-20 and parted off a piece of tubing to make a spacer. Wheel back on with a machine screw, washer and spacer. Yabbut, do you have one of these to do tubing cuts? http://fwd4.me/MY6 It works a treat and I am *much* happier than I have a right to be! You rich Californicators love getting that nickel discount, don't you? titter (?) I paid full retail for a wheeled trash can that I knew was broken at the time, just because I was happy to have something to repair. The psychology behind this is left as an exercise for the student. WTF? Teach isn't even asking for a discount when it would be quickly and happily given by the Manager of the Drones? OK, the exercise I just got was from shaking my head. Teacher's got it bad! Sorry, old bean. Can't quite cipher your jargon, Over. Yeah, I guessed that. I was chiding you on going after discount items, then I read that you hadn't even done that. -- Courage is the power to let go of the familiar. -- Raymond Lindquist |
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On Mon, 03 May 2010 07:15:06 -0700, the infamous Winston
scrawled the following: On 5/3/2010 6:44 AM, Larry Jaques wrote: On Sun, 02 May 2010 22:31:02 -0700, the infamous Winston scrawled the following: On 5/2/2010 2:50 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote: (...) I'd be happy if I got it for half price with that hopelessly unrepairable defect. You are right, of course. I *should* have asked for a discount. I was in a good mood though and the thought just didn't occur at the time. Turn in your Handyman Club of America card immediately, young man. Can I still use the Secret Handshake? Not in public. You'll go blind! -- Courage is the power to let go of the familiar. -- Raymond Lindquist |
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Did he give you the saw to keep?
-- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Bob Engelhardt" wrote in message ... Just did! And I don't think that I'll have the heart to tell my neighbor what was wrong. The recip shaft rides in a "carrier tube assembly" inside the front housing. That carrier tube is secured with a screw on each side. One screw was loose, allowing the tube & shaft to wobble side to side! Tightened it & I've got a Porter Cable Tiger saw ready to go! (10A, variable speed, quick change blade holder.) If only he had called me first. Damn, that was satisfying, Bob |
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Repairing an abraded poly(?) trashcan (was: Having a...
On Mon, 03 May 2010 12:56:26 -0500, Frnak McKenney
wrote the following: On Sun, 02 May 2010 22:42:10 -0700, Winston wrote: [...] Yup. I don't know about others but I experience a disproportionate 'warm and fuzzy' feeling when I repair something like that. It's the same deal in fixing flat tires or the odd garage door opener for neighbors. If I could find a way to bottle that feeling, I would be very wealthy indeed. --Winston Since you're in such a good mood... grin Do you have any suggestions for repairing an old-ish city-provided "supercan"? This is one of those large green plastic cans with wheels, a hinged black lid, and bolted-on tubing that is designed to be lifted by the city trash collection trucks. I'm not certain what kind of plastic it is, but it's thick-ish (1/8"?), flexible, and I'm assuming it's some sort of polyethylene. For the most part the can is in great shape, but through a couple of decades of being dragged rather than rolled the bottom front has worn through. Since the abrasion is pretty much limited to the front and a bit on the sides it hasn't started letting bags and stuff drop out as it's being rolled, but I assume that will eventually happen. After the garbadj truck squoze mine too much and I detected vertical cracks in it, I called the company and they replaced it a few days later, free of charge. Won't your city do that? My first thought was sheet aluminium (Metal Content!!) tacked on with pop rivets, and the bottom portion doubled over to add a bit more wear protection. However, I'm concerned with how aluminium would react with garbage leakage -- it might get eaten through faster by organics than pavement weares it away. I rather doubt it, but that possibility exists. How often does your garbage leak caustic fluids, Fwanky? I also have to be careful not to obstruct the "pickup" path up the front of the can. A smarter person would have called the Richmond DPU months ago, but I look at it and see how much of it is still in good shape, and I put off calling. I haven't had any luck finding sheet poly at the local Home Depot or Lowes. Any ideas? Or is this a Complete Waste of Time? CWOT, so I'll have Winston call you. -- Courage is the power to let go of the familiar. -- Raymond Lindquist |
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
Did he give you the saw to keep? Yep. Although I didn't take it to have, it is better than the corded one that I have, so I will keep it if he still doesn't want it back. Bob |
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On 5/3/2010 5:48 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
(...) Yabbut, do you have one of these to do tubing cuts? http://fwd4.me/MY6 Ooooh! (...) WTF? Teach isn't even asking for a discount when it would be quickly and happily given by the Manager of the Drones? OK, the exercise I just got was from shaking my head. Teacher's got it bad! Guilty, Yeronner. Sorry, old bean. Can't quite cipher your jargon, Over. Yeah, I guessed that. I was chiding you on going after discount items, then I read that you hadn't even done that. I was always a disappointment to you and Mom. --Winston |
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Repairing an abraded poly(?) trashcan (was: Having a...
How about cut up some recycle boxes, and glue the plastic on
with Liquid Nails? More seriously, call for replacement is the best idea going. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Frnak McKenney" wrote in message m... Do you have any suggestions for repairing an old-ish city-provided "supercan"? This is one of those large green plastic cans with wheels, a hinged black lid, and bolted-on tubing that is designed to be lifted by the city trash collection trucks. I'm not certain what kind of plastic it is, but it's thick-ish (1/8"?), flexible, and I'm assuming it's some sort of polyethylene. For the most part the can is in great shape, but through a couple of decades of being dragged rather than rolled the bottom front has worn through. Since the abrasion is pretty much limited to the front and a bit on the sides it hasn't started letting bags and stuff drop out as it's being rolled, but I assume that will eventually happen. My first thought was sheet aluminium (Metal Content!!) tacked on with pop rivets, and the bottom portion doubled over to add a bit more wear protection. However, I'm concerned with how aluminium would react with garbage leakage -- it might get eaten through faster by organics than pavement weares it away. I also have to be careful not to obstruct the "pickup" path up the front of the can. A smarter person would have called the Richmond DPU months ago, but I look at it and see how much of it is still in good shape, and I put off calling. I haven't had any luck finding sheet poly at the local Home Depot or Lowes. Any ideas? Or is this a Complete Waste of Time? Frank McKenney -- Indeed, the first step in applying someone's "optimal" formulation is deciding if their "optimal" comes within the bounds of your "good enough". -- Tim Wescott, in a comp.dsp post -- Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887 Munged E-mail: frank uscore mckenney ayut mined spring dawt cahm (y'all) |
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Any ideas? Or is this a Complete Waste of Time? I just last month welded shut a large hole in the radiator overflow tank of my SIL's Neon. I cleaned and sanded the patch and the area around the hole with 80-grit paper. Then I preheated both the patch and the tank area until both were tacky and transparent (and beginning to sag), and applied the patch with pressure until it cooled just enough to handle (used a stick and a wad of paper towels down through the filler neck to apply pressure from the inside, as well). Last, I "filleted" the edges of the patch to full-melt down onto the tank body with a spreader tip on a big Weller soldering gun, taking care not to cut into the tank material. It is holding up fine so far, and it's under the abuse of hot fluids and hot engine compartment. We examined the patch a few times with a flashlight, and can't see any evidence of antifreeze leaking between patch and tank wall. Since your can isn't subject to pressure or extreme heat, I'd think just an "overlay" of (say) 1/8" poly would do the trick; applied basically the same way. LLoyd |
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On Tue, 04 May 2010 22:40:01 -0700, Winston
wrote the following: On 5/3/2010 6:48 PM, Larry Jaques wrote: (...) Any ideas? Or is this a Complete Waste of Time? CWOT, so I'll have Winston call you. Why would you do that to Frank? Geeze. Misery loves company? P.S: Radiators are not made of polyethylene. NOTHING sticks to poly, not even epoxy. Yeah, I thought of the HF plastic welder, but knew it prolly wouldn't be large enough to work. -- All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit. --Thomas Paine |
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On Mon, 03 May 2010 18:48:22 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Mon, 03 May 2010 12:56:26 -0500, Frnak McKenney wrote the following: [...] Do you have any suggestions for repairing an old-ish city-provided "supercan"? This is one of those large green plastic cans with wheels, a hinged black lid, and bolted-on tubing that is designed to be lifted by the city trash collection trucks. I'm not certain what kind of plastic it is, but it's thick-ish (1/8"?), flexible, and I'm assuming it's some sort of polyethylene. [...] After the garbadj truck squoze mine too much and I detected vertical cracks in it, I called the company and they replaced it a few days later, free of charge. Won't your city do that? Presumably. On the other hand, why pass up a perfectly good chance to gain some experience working with heavy-duty plastic? I'd much rather learn something before I need it. grin! My first thought was sheet aluminium (Metal Content!!) tacked on with pop rivets, and the bottom portion doubled over to add a bit more wear protection. However, I'm concerned with how aluminium would react with garbage leakage -- it might get eaten through faster by organics than pavement weares it away. I rather doubt it, but that possibility exists. How often does your garbage leak caustic fluids, Fwanky? I know that the local wildlife ('possums and raccons) have, from time to time, climbed up the side of this supercan, popped open the lid, ripped my bags to shreds, and scattered the contents. And I don't rinse (e.g.) every ice cream box before tossing it. [...] Any ideas? Or is this a Complete Waste of Time? CWOT, so I'll have Winston call you. Um... call me _what_? grin Frank -- If teachers now lack the knowledge they need to teach reading and other subjects well, it is not because they are innately incompetent but because they have been trained under faulty romantic ideas about the nature of reading and the worthlessness of "mere iformation". -- E.D. Hirsch, Jr./The Knowledge Deficit -- Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887 Munged E-mail: frank uscore mckenney ayut mined spring dawt cahm (y'all) |
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On Tue, 4 May 2010 10:18:32 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote:
"Frnak McKenney" wrote in message m... Do you have any suggestions for repairing an old-ish city-provided "supercan"? This is one of those large green plastic cans with wheels, a hinged black lid, and bolted-on tubing that is designed to be lifted by the city trash collection trucks. I'm not certain what kind of plastic it is, but it's thick-ish (1/8"?), flexible, and I'm assuming it's some sort of polyethylene. How about cut up some recycle boxes, and glue the plastic on with Liquid Nails? Christopher, Thanks for responding. My own "recycle box" is provided by a local service. They already gave me one new one this year when the old one vanished; I'm not sure how they would respond to my sacrificing another to repair a DPU can. grin! More seriously, call for replacement is the best idea going. I may indeed wind up doing that. On the other hand, that route only gives me experience in something I already know -- how to look things up and how to use a telephone (or perhaps 'Web page these days). Frank -- The tendency to achieve our foreign policy objectives by inducing other governments to sign up to professions of high moral and legal principle appears to have a great and enduring vitality in our diplomatic practice. -- George F. Kennan / American Diplomacy 1900-1950 -- Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887 Munged E-mail: frank uscore mckenney ayut mined spring dawt cahm (y'all) |
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On Tue, 04 May 2010 09:37:44 -0500, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
Any ideas? Or is this a Complete Waste of Time? I just last month welded shut a large hole in the radiator overflow tank of my SIL's Neon. I cleaned and sanded the patch and the area around the hole with 80-grit paper. Then I preheated both the patch and the tank area until both were tacky and transparent (and beginning to sag), and applied the patch with pressure until it cooled just enough to handle (used a stick and a wad of paper towels down through the filler neck to apply pressure from the inside, as well). Last, I "filleted" the edges of the patch to full-melt down onto the tank body with a spreader tip on a big Weller soldering gun, taking care not to cut into the tank material. It is holding up fine so far, and it's under the abuse of hot fluids and hot engine compartment. We examined the patch a few times with a flashlight, and can't see any evidence of antifreeze leaking between patch and tank wall. Since your can isn't subject to pressure or extreme heat, I'd think just an "overlay" of (say) 1/8" poly would do the trick; applied basically the same way. LLoyd, Thank you for replying. You're a braver soul than I. grin! It's very reassuring to hear from someone who has actually done something similar to what I plan... especially the part about "holding up fine". You also jarred my thinking a bit with the word "tank", so I did a bit of searching on "patch plastic tank" and turned up all sorts of suggestions and even kits. Now all I need is a poly sheet perhaps 2'x1'. Any suggestions? For this job even that "currogated" stuff would be fine. Frakn -- A striking fact of the last two years of financial trouble is how accountability has differed in the public and private spheres. On Wall Street and across the country, decades-old firms have failed, fortunes have vanished, and some former captains of finance face jail or fines. In Washington, meanwhile, most regulators and Members of Congress remain on the job, often with enhanced power. -- "Bernanke's Second Chance" / Wall Street Journal 08/26/09 -- Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887 Munged E-mail: frank uscore mckenney ayut mined spring dawt cahm (y'all) |
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On Tue, 04 May 2010 22:28:39 -0700, Winston wrote:
On 5/3/2010 10:56 AM, Frnak McKenney wrote: [...] Since you're in such a good mood...grin Do you have any suggestions for repairing an old-ish city-provided "supercan"? I would use my phone to repair that, Frank. ROFL! But thanks for the suggestion. Sometimes it's hard to remember which size wrench is required to pound in the screw at hand. grin! The garbage Co. that handles my area is very pro-active and regularly repairs cans without any hassle at all. If Richmond DPU doesn't return your call in a timely fashion, you can consider hacking the can. (I have, but this is your nickle.) If it looks like $50, I'm lazy enough to hand it off to the DPU; if it's only $10 and some time, that's a minor Educational Expense. While I was able to disprove polyethylene's claim to being "unbreakable" soon after I first encountered it, I've never successfully repaired it. As Lloyd says, there is apparently some hope of repair by welding a thermoplastic patch. I've never done anything like that and am *very* interested in your results. As Larry says, try the easy cheap way first. I bet there are 4 things on your 'to do' list that are more entertaining than fixing the city's trash can, if'n you don't have to, yes? Well, there _is_ the project to rewire a set of solar-charged wlakway "floodlamps" so they're motion-triggered, and a huge list of items that are _much_ less interesting. But any repairs I do won't be for the City's benefit, even if they gain a little by them. Frank -- A common hesitation in our day touching the use of extreme convictions is a sort of notion that extreme convictions, specially on cosmic matters, have been responsible in the past for the thing which is called bigotry. But a very small amount of direct experience will dissipate this view. In real life the people who are most bigoted are the people who have no convictions at all. ... Bigotry may roughly be defined as the frenzy of the indifferent. This frenzy of the indifferent is in truth a terrible thing; it has made all monstrous and widely pervading persecutions. -- G.K. Chesterton: Concluding Remarks (1905) -- Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887 Munged E-mail: frank uscore mckenney ayut mined spring dawt cahm (y'all) |
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How about cut up some recycle boxes, and glue the plastic on with Liquid Nails? Christopher, Thanks for responding. My own "recycle box" is provided by a local service. They already gave me one new one this year when the old one vanished; I'm not sure how they would respond to my sacrificing another to repair a DPU can. grin! CY: People throw away plastic items now and again. Ice chests, or what not. Might be a source of plastic out there some where. More seriously, call for replacement is the best idea going. I may indeed wind up doing that. On the other hand, that route only gives me experience in something I already know -- how to look things up and how to use a telephone (or perhaps 'Web page these days). CY: I've not done a lot of plastic repairs in my life, and don't expect to. |
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news Now all I need is a poly sheet perhaps 2'x1'. Any suggestions? For this job even that "currogated" stuff would be fine. I get many square feet a year of 3/16" black polyethylene from a local boat builder who routes out dash panels from it. Some of the "drops" have sections as large as 2x3', but are useless to him because of the geometry of his dashboards. Any plastics dealer will have it, as do McMaster-Carr and MSC. LLoyd |
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On May 5, 9:38*am, Frnak McKenney
wrote: On Mon, 03 May 2010 18:48:22 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: On Mon, 03 May 2010 12:56:26 -0500, Frnak McKenney wrote the following: * *[...] Do you have any suggestions for repairing an old-ish city-provided "supercan"? *This is one of those large green plastic cans with wheels, a hinged black lid, and bolted-on tubing that is designed to be lifted by the city trash collection trucks. *I'm not certain what kind of plastic it is, but it's thick-ish (1/8"?), flexible, and I'm assuming it's some sort of polyethylene. Could be polyethylene, but chances are it's polypropylene or even ABS, totally different stuff. There'll be a three-lobed recyling emblem cast into it somewhere that will have the number of the plastic type. As far as repairing cracks, welding is about the surest way to do that, HF has a kit that requires some air and the rods to go with, of various plastic types. I've repaired an aftermarket windshield washer tank of polypropylene using a really big soldering gun and some shopping bags of the same color. It held afterwards for quite a number of years until I sold the car. More like frosting a cake than welding, though. Adhesives, unless they're specially formulated, probably won't stick. You might be able to add a skid plate with aluminum and pop rivets, chances are that the stuff will crack at the holes, though. If you've had to buy the thing yourself, fix it, otherwise call the city and get it replaced, that's what you're paying taxes for, right? They'll recycle the old one. Stan |
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On Wed, 05 May 2010 10:38:57 -0500, Frnak McKenney
wrote the following: On Mon, 03 May 2010 18:48:22 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: After the garbadj truck squoze mine too much and I detected vertical cracks in it, I called the company and they replaced it a few days later, free of charge. Won't your city do that? Presumably. On the other hand, why pass up a perfectly good chance to gain some experience working with heavy-duty plastic? I'd much rather learn something before I need it. grin! So ask the company the City uses for broken scraps and practice on those...for next time. My first thought was sheet aluminium (Metal Content!!) tacked on with pop rivets, and the bottom portion doubled over to add a bit more wear protection. However, I'm concerned with how aluminium would react with garbage leakage -- it might get eaten through faster by organics than pavement weares it away. I rather doubt it, but that possibility exists. How often does your garbage leak caustic fluids, Fwanky? I know that the local wildlife ('possums and raccons) have, from time to time, climbed up the side of this supercan, popped open the lid, ripped my bags to shreds, and scattered the contents. And I don't rinse (e.g.) every ice cream box before tossing it. Drill a couple holes and mount a slab of iron on the lid so they can't lift it. It still works upside down in the garbadj truck. [...] Any ideas? Or is this a Complete Waste of Time? CWOT, so I'll have Winston call you. Um... call me _what_? grin That all depends on what mood Winnie is in when he calls. -- All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit. --Thomas Paine |
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On 5/5/2010 9:27 AM, Frnak McKenney wrote:
On Tue, 04 May 2010 22:28:39 -0700, wrote: On 5/3/2010 10:56 AM, Frnak McKenney wrote: [...] Since you're in such a good mood...grin Do you have any suggestions for repairing an old-ish city-provided "supercan"? I would use my phone to repair that, Frank. ROFL! But thanks for the suggestion. Sometimes it's hard to remember which size wrench is required to pound in the screw at hand.grin! That's why I have all four sizes of Crescent Hammer. (...) I bet there are 4 things on your 'to do' list that are more entertaining than fixing the city's trash can, if'n you don't have to, yes? Well, there _is_ the project to rewire a set of solar-charged wlakway "floodlamps" so they're motion-triggered, and a huge list of items that are _much_ less interesting. But still *much more interesting* than repairing the can, yes? You see where I'm going with this? But any repairs I do won't be for the City's benefit, even if they gain a little by them. Hey go for it, Frank! I've put repairs and modifications on my City - supplied trash can so I really have no moral authority to advise you not to. Please post your pictures to the dropbox. One of my modifications *improved the balance* of the can on landing. We speak with one voice WRT fixing other people's stuff. --Winston |
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On Wed, 05 May 2010 21:41:31 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 05 May 2010 10:38:57 -0500, Frnak McKenney wrote the following: On Mon, 03 May 2010 18:48:22 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: After the garbadj truck squoze mine too much and I detected vertical cracks in it, I called the company and they replaced it a few days later, free of charge. Won't your city do that? Presumably. On the other hand, why pass up a perfectly good chance to gain some experience working with heavy-duty plastic? I'd much rather learn something before I need it. grin! So ask the company the City uses for broken scraps and practice on those...for next time. Nice thought. Unfortunately, the manufacturer (a Zarn, Inc. of Reidsville, North Carolina) appears to have gone out of business. [...] I know that the local wildlife ('possums and raccons) have, from time to time, climbed up the side of this supercan, popped open the lid, ripped my bags to shreds, and scattered the contents. And I don't rinse (e.g.) every ice cream box before tossing it. Drill a couple holes and mount a slab of iron on the lid so they can't lift it. It still works upside down in the garbadj truck. Ouch! I can see the headline now: "Class Action Suit Filed on Behalf of Park Animals; Seeks 10M Damages for Malicious Wounding!". grin! Interestingly, even though my house is closer to the James River Park than most on the street, my can seems to have less plastic gnawed off the cart's edges. Frank -- Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass; it's about learning how to dance in the rain. --Anon -- Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887 Munged E-mail: frank uscore mckenney ayut mined spring dawt cahm (y'all) |
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On Wed, 05 May 2010 11:34:13 -0500, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
Frnak McKenney fired this volley in news Now all I need is a poly sheet perhaps 2'x1'. Any suggestions? For this job even that "currogated" stuff would be fine. I get many square feet a year of 3/16" black polyethylene from a local boat builder who routes out dash panels from it. Some of the "drops" have sections as large as 2x3', but are useless to him because of the geometry of his dashboards. Any plastics dealer will have it, as do McMaster-Carr and MSC. LLoyd Thanks for the pointer. It turns out that I was wrong on the "cart" being polyethylene, although I haven't figured out exactly what it _is_ yet. I know it does crack -- there is one small one where a bolt holds the belly-band lift support tubing in place -- and the color and surface have a "weathered" appearance. I need to make sure that whatever adhesive I use will adhere to both the cart and the patching material. Frank -- [W]hy is it that men men who seem so keen on reforming the world equip themselves with the worst possible philosophies for doing it? -- G.K. Chesterton: On Algernon Charles Swinburne (1932) -- Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887 Munged E-mail: frank uscore mckenney ayut mined spring dawt cahm (y'all) |
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Frnak McKenney wrote: Nice thought. Unfortunately, the manufacturer (a Zarn, Inc. of Reidsville, North Carolina) appears to have gone out of business. Zarn Inc 13326 Scenic Glade DR Houston, TX, 77059 Description: ZARN Inc in Houston, TX serves customers.We offer services in Garbage Containers.We specialize in Garbage Containers. -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge. |
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On Mon, 10 May 2010 08:22:01 -0500, Frnak McKenney
wrote: 30-year Independent Study Program in Materials Science. grin! Oooooh! I Like that!!!!!! Gunner -- "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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What'll you wager that these nice folks:
... have a stack of like - new carts that are missing wheels? Dept of Public Works City of Richmond 900 E. Broad St., Suite 704 Richmond, VA 23219 USA Customer Care Center: 3-1-1 I bet that a visit with a couple 'coffee cards' for the guys in back would be very productive. --Winston |
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in : Thanks for the pointer. It turns out that I was wrong on the "cart" being polyethylene, although I haven't figured out exactly what it _is_ yet. I know it does crack -- there is one small one where a bolt holds the belly-band lift support tubing in place -- and the color and surface have a "weathered" appearance. I'm not sure what you've described rules out polyethylene. PE oxidizes and is deteriorated by sunlight. When it does, it achieves that "weathered" appearance - rough, grey, pourous, dusty - and begins to crack easily. So... what else make you suppose it isn't PE? It should have a recycling stamp somewhere on the bottom indicating which one of several general types of plastic it is. If it's PE, it will say so; same for polypropylene. Mixed resins will carry a number. LLoyd |
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