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Stop culling dingoes, they're our vulnerable species
May 21, 2009 www.OzBackpackerTours.com.au The dingo is Australian wildlife but it is the only wildlife not given protection in this country. Lyn Watson from the Dingo Discovery Centre outside of Melbourne (``Foreign zoos pitch in to save the dingo'', May 13) should be commended for foresight and wisdom in sending dingoes to international countries in an attempt to save the gene pool, before the only dingoes left are relics next to a thylacine in the museum. When the approximate population of dingoes living on Fraser Island number 140, it is nothing short of total irresponsibility and idiocy when 56 of these dingoes have been killed since 2001 in a supposed sanctuary location. When there are such a small number of dingoes living on Fraser Island and there have been so many dingoes killed, great concern for the dwindling gene pool would be a fact for anyone remotely worried about conservation. A public that insists on abusing the privilege of this World Heritage place should be forced to abide by stringent management and rules. Other World Heritage destinations are kept pristine. A strictly controlled population of humans is brought on and off the location. First and foremost come the wildlife in any action plan. World Heritage should possibly send in their own managers to Fraser Island, as the legacy of killing 56 dingoes since 2001 is nothing short of irresponsible. In the last 12 months nine dingoes have been killed this includes pups. Actions from the supposed carers, the rangers on Fraser Island, speak louder than words. No responsible justification can be made for this atrocity, the culling of so many dingoes and their pups highlights the hypocrisy in the departments that are supposed to be protecting and saving the dingo from extinction Australia's legacy of dingo extermination is a national disgrace. The latest killing of dingoes highlights a lack of responsible care and knowledge of the species. Dingoes are on our turf, they are slaughtered every day and have been put on the International Union for Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources' Red List of Threatened Species as ``vulnerable''. Dingoes are our top land predator and keep harmony in the ecosystem. Where dingoes are now extinct we have a major imbalance with pigs, goats, cats and foxes. Dingoes are here for a reason and are just as important as whales. Nic Papalia president of the West Australian Dingo Association, Balga (WA). Whats this all about? Is it nationwide? Gunner "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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Gunner Asch wrote:
Stop culling dingoes, they're our vulnerable species May 21, 2009 www.OzBackpackerTours.com.au The dingo is Australian wildlife but it is the only wildlife not given protection in this country. Lyn Watson from the Dingo Discovery Centre outside of Melbourne (``Foreign zoos pitch in to save the dingo'', May 13) should be commended for foresight and wisdom in sending dingoes to international countries in an attempt to save the gene pool, before the only dingoes left are relics next to a thylacine in the museum. When the approximate population of dingoes living on Fraser Island number 140, it is nothing short of total irresponsibility and idiocy when 56 of these dingoes have been killed since 2001 in a supposed sanctuary location. When there are such a small number of dingoes living on Fraser Island and there have been so many dingoes killed, great concern for the dwindling gene pool would be a fact for anyone remotely worried about conservation. A public that insists on abusing the privilege of this World Heritage place should be forced to abide by stringent management and rules. Other World Heritage destinations are kept pristine. A strictly controlled population of humans is brought on and off the location. First and foremost come the wildlife in any action plan. World Heritage should possibly send in their own managers to Fraser Island, as the legacy of killing 56 dingoes since 2001 is nothing short of irresponsible. In the last 12 months nine dingoes have been killed this includes pups. Actions from the supposed carers, the rangers on Fraser Island, speak louder than words. No responsible justification can be made for this atrocity, the culling of so many dingoes and their pups highlights the hypocrisy in the departments that are supposed to be protecting and saving the dingo from extinction Australia's legacy of dingo extermination is a national disgrace. The latest killing of dingoes highlights a lack of responsible care and knowledge of the species. Dingoes are on our turf, they are slaughtered every day and have been put on the International Union for Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources' Red List of Threatened Species as ``vulnerable''. Dingoes are our top land predator and keep harmony in the ecosystem. Where dingoes are now extinct we have a major imbalance with pigs, goats, cats and foxes. Dingoes are here for a reason and are just as important as whales. Nic Papalia president of the West Australian Dingo Association, Balga (WA). Whats this all about? Is it nationwide? "Today, dingoes are legally classified as vermin and carry a bounty of $20 AUS ($11 USD) a head. Rewards for dingoes caught on the inside (southeast) of the fence can be upwards of $500 AUS." ("The fence" is 3488 miles. Australia has the world's longest fence.) "The Dingo Fence or Dog Fence is a pest-exclusion fence that was built in Australia during the 1880s and finished in 1885, to keep dingoes out of the relatively fertile south-east part of the continent (where they had largely been exterminated) and protect the sheep flocks of southern Queensland." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingo_Fence They don't much care for kangaroos either, except as a tourist draw. Regarded as just another pest. |
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"Beryl" wrote in message net... Gunner Asch wrote: Stop culling dingoes, they're our vulnerable species May 21, 2009 www.OzBackpackerTours.com.au The dingo is Australian wildlife but it is the only wildlife not given protection in this country. Lyn Watson from the Dingo Discovery Centre outside of Melbourne (``Foreign zoos pitch in to save the dingo'', May 13) should be commended for foresight and wisdom in sending dingoes to international countries in an attempt to save the gene pool, before the only dingoes left are relics next to a thylacine in the museum. When the approximate population of dingoes living on Fraser Island number 140, it is nothing short of total irresponsibility and idiocy when 56 of these dingoes have been killed since 2001 in a supposed sanctuary location. When there are such a small number of dingoes living on Fraser Island and there have been so many dingoes killed, great concern for the dwindling gene pool would be a fact for anyone remotely worried about conservation. A public that insists on abusing the privilege of this World Heritage place should be forced to abide by stringent management and rules. Other World Heritage destinations are kept pristine. A strictly controlled population of humans is brought on and off the location. First and foremost come the wildlife in any action plan. World Heritage should possibly send in their own managers to Fraser Island, as the legacy of killing 56 dingoes since 2001 is nothing short of irresponsible. In the last 12 months nine dingoes have been killed this includes pups. Actions from the supposed carers, the rangers on Fraser Island, speak louder than words. No responsible justification can be made for this atrocity, the culling of so many dingoes and their pups highlights the hypocrisy in the departments that are supposed to be protecting and saving the dingo from extinction Australia's legacy of dingo extermination is a national disgrace. The latest killing of dingoes highlights a lack of responsible care and knowledge of the species. Dingoes are on our turf, they are slaughtered every day and have been put on the International Union for Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources' Red List of Threatened Species as ``vulnerable''. Dingoes are our top land predator and keep harmony in the ecosystem. Where dingoes are now extinct we have a major imbalance with pigs, goats, cats and foxes. Dingoes are here for a reason and are just as important as whales. Nic Papalia president of the West Australian Dingo Association, Balga (WA). Whats this all about? Is it nationwide? "Today, dingoes are legally classified as vermin and carry a bounty of $20 AUS ($11 USD) a head. Rewards for dingoes caught on the inside (southeast) of the fence can be upwards of $500 AUS." ("The fence" is 3488 miles. Australia has the world's longest fence.) "The Dingo Fence or Dog Fence is a pest-exclusion fence that was built in Australia during the 1880s and finished in 1885, to keep dingoes out of the relatively fertile south-east part of the continent (where they had largely been exterminated) and protect the sheep flocks of southern Queensland." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingo_Fence They don't much care for kangaroos either, except as a tourist draw. Regarded as just another pest. The dingos are a pest & in large numbers in many parts. Same with roos. Main problem is feral cats/dogs, goats and camels. The cats eat all the small marsupials etc & the camels trash the land and breed like crazy. IIRC the population in australia is 1 million camels. "The wild dog/dingo is a serious predator of sheep, cattle and other livestock in areas of Queensland; New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia and Western Australia. Wild dogs/dingoes are regarded as serious pests. In the Eastern Highlands of Victoria, wild dogs/dingoes, either alone or in-groups, sporadically attack sheep flocks and may kill or maim many sheep in a single attack." www.dpi.vic.gov.au |
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:15:37 +0800, "Royston Vasey"
wrote: "Beryl" wrote in message tnet... Gunner Asch wrote: Stop culling dingoes, they're our vulnerable species May 21, 2009 www.OzBackpackerTours.com.au The dingo is Australian wildlife but it is the only wildlife not given protection in this country. Lyn Watson from the Dingo Discovery Centre outside of Melbourne (``Foreign zoos pitch in to save the dingo'', May 13) should be commended for foresight and wisdom in sending dingoes to international countries in an attempt to save the gene pool, before the only dingoes left are relics next to a thylacine in the museum. When the approximate population of dingoes living on Fraser Island number 140, it is nothing short of total irresponsibility and idiocy when 56 of these dingoes have been killed since 2001 in a supposed sanctuary location. When there are such a small number of dingoes living on Fraser Island and there have been so many dingoes killed, great concern for the dwindling gene pool would be a fact for anyone remotely worried about conservation. A public that insists on abusing the privilege of this World Heritage place should be forced to abide by stringent management and rules. Other World Heritage destinations are kept pristine. A strictly controlled population of humans is brought on and off the location. First and foremost come the wildlife in any action plan. World Heritage should possibly send in their own managers to Fraser Island, as the legacy of killing 56 dingoes since 2001 is nothing short of irresponsible. In the last 12 months nine dingoes have been killed this includes pups. Actions from the supposed carers, the rangers on Fraser Island, speak louder than words. No responsible justification can be made for this atrocity, the culling of so many dingoes and their pups highlights the hypocrisy in the departments that are supposed to be protecting and saving the dingo from extinction Australia's legacy of dingo extermination is a national disgrace. The latest killing of dingoes highlights a lack of responsible care and knowledge of the species. Dingoes are on our turf, they are slaughtered every day and have been put on the International Union for Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources' Red List of Threatened Species as ``vulnerable''. Dingoes are our top land predator and keep harmony in the ecosystem. Where dingoes are now extinct we have a major imbalance with pigs, goats, cats and foxes. Dingoes are here for a reason and are just as important as whales. Nic Papalia president of the West Australian Dingo Association, Balga (WA). Whats this all about? Is it nationwide? "Today, dingoes are legally classified as vermin and carry a bounty of $20 AUS ($11 USD) a head. Rewards for dingoes caught on the inside (southeast) of the fence can be upwards of $500 AUS." ("The fence" is 3488 miles. Australia has the world's longest fence.) "The Dingo Fence or Dog Fence is a pest-exclusion fence that was built in Australia during the 1880s and finished in 1885, to keep dingoes out of the relatively fertile south-east part of the continent (where they had largely been exterminated) and protect the sheep flocks of southern Queensland." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingo_Fence They don't much care for kangaroos either, except as a tourist draw. Regarded as just another pest. The dingos are a pest & in large numbers in many parts. Same with roos. Main problem is feral cats/dogs, goats and camels. The cats eat all the small marsupials etc & the camels trash the land and breed like crazy. IIRC the population in australia is 1 million camels. "The wild dog/dingo is a serious predator of sheep, cattle and other livestock in areas of Queensland; New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia and Western Australia. Wild dogs/dingoes are regarded as serious pests. In the Eastern Highlands of Victoria, wild dogs/dingoes, either alone or in-groups, sporadically attack sheep flocks and may kill or maim many sheep in a single attack." www.dpi.vic.gov.au Thanks! I was curious. Much obliged. Gunner "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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"Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... Stop culling dingoes, they're our vulnerable species May 21, 2009 It's a bit of a beat-up actually. There are still lots of the *******s about! The problem is that there aren't a lot of purebred Dingos left as they have a tendency to interbreed with anything vaguely resembling a dog. In the outback, where they belong, they do a service by knocking off the feral cats( which eat anything smaller than themselves) but they take a lot of lambs when they get onto sheep stations. They take up the niche in the environment that coyotes occupy in North America. The ones on Frazier Island are still pretty much a pure strain, but they have been fed by tourists and lost all fear of humans. A boy was killed by them about ten years ago and a few of the most aggressive ones were quietly shot while the Rabid Greenies were away looking for television cameras. They have again multiplied and there are apparently a number of aggressive ones about again. I wouldn't take my granddaughter there. Incidentally, there are far more kangaroos now than there have ever been. Their numbers are limited by the availability of water,and, as graziers drill wells to supply water for their livestock,they benefit as well. They don't tend to damage the surface of the land as much as cattle and sheep,so there have been a few attempts to sell roo meat in bucher shops and supermarkets. I've tried it, but it has to be eaten quite rare as it gets very tough if cooked any more than medium-rare. |
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On Apr 20, 4:15*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
*Stop culling dingoes, they're our vulnerable species May 21, 2009 www.OzBackpackerTours.com.au The dingo is Australian wildlife but it is the only wildlife not given protection in this country. Lyn Watson from the Dingo Discovery Centre outside of Melbourne (``Foreign zoos pitch in to save the dingo'', May 13) should be commended for foresight and wisdom in sending dingoes to international countries in an attempt to save the gene pool, before the only dingoes left are relics next to a thylacine in the museum. When the approximate population of dingoes living on Fraser Island number 140, it is nothing short of total irresponsibility and idiocy when 56 of these dingoes have been killed since 2001 in a supposed sanctuary location. When there are such a small number of dingoes living on Fraser Island and there have been so many dingoes killed, great concern for the dwindling gene pool would be a fact for anyone remotely worried about conservation. A public that insists on abusing the privilege of this World Heritage place should be forced to abide by stringent management and rules. Other World Heritage destinations are kept pristine. A strictly controlled population of humans is brought on and off the location. First and foremost come the wildlife in any action plan. World Heritage should possibly send in their own managers to Fraser Island, as the legacy of killing 56 dingoes since 2001 is nothing short of irresponsible. In the last 12 months nine dingoes have been killed *this includes pups.. Actions from the supposed carers, the rangers on Fraser Island, speak louder than words. No responsible justification can be made for this atrocity, the culling of so many dingoes and their pups highlights the hypocrisy in the departments that are supposed to be protecting and saving the dingo from extinction Australia's legacy of dingo extermination is a national disgrace. The latest killing of dingoes highlights a lack of responsible care and knowledge of the species. Dingoes are on our turf, they are slaughtered every day and have been put on the International Union for Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources' Red List of Threatened Species as ``vulnerable''. Dingoes are our top land predator and keep harmony in the ecosystem. Where dingoes are now extinct we have a major imbalance with pigs, goats, cats and foxes. Dingoes are here for a reason and are just as important as whales. Nic Papalia president of the West Australian Dingo Association, Balga (WA). Whats this all about? *Is it nationwide? Gunner "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." *Grey Ghost Nah, its bull****. No shortage of dingoes, all over the bloody place, killing sheep, cattle, etc etc. Most state governments employ people to hunt and kill them (their called "doggers") Very few purebred ones left cause they mate with ordinary dogs, and the purebreds are looked after anyway. Some on Fraser Island, but they went and bit people, so we shot a few of them. The rest calmed down. Anyway, whales are much more useful - you cant eat a dingo, or get oil from it. Andrew VK3BFA. |
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On Apr 20, 7:58*am, Andrew VK3BFA wrote:
On Apr 20, 4:15*pm, Gunner Asch wrote: *Stop culling dingoes, they're our vulnerable species May 21, 2009 www.OzBackpackerTours.com.au The dingo is Australian wildlife but it is the only wildlife not given protection in this country. Lyn Watson from the Dingo Discovery Centre outside of Melbourne (``Foreign zoos pitch in to save the dingo'', May 13) should be commended for foresight and wisdom in sending dingoes to international countries in an attempt to save the gene pool, before the only dingoes left are relics next to a thylacine in the museum. When the approximate population of dingoes living on Fraser Island number 140, it is nothing short of total irresponsibility and idiocy when 56 of these dingoes have been killed since 2001 in a supposed sanctuary location. When there are such a small number of dingoes living on Fraser Island and there have been so many dingoes killed, great concern for the dwindling gene pool would be a fact for anyone remotely worried about conservation. A public that insists on abusing the privilege of this World Heritage place should be forced to abide by stringent management and rules. Other World Heritage destinations are kept pristine. A strictly controlled population of humans is brought on and off the location. First and foremost come the wildlife in any action plan. World Heritage should possibly send in their own managers to Fraser Island, as the legacy of killing 56 dingoes since 2001 is nothing short of irresponsible. In the last 12 months nine dingoes have been killed *this includes pups. Actions from the supposed carers, the rangers on Fraser Island, speak louder than words. No responsible justification can be made for this atrocity, the culling of so many dingoes and their pups highlights the hypocrisy in the departments that are supposed to be protecting and saving the dingo from extinction Australia's legacy of dingo extermination is a national disgrace. The latest killing of dingoes highlights a lack of responsible care and knowledge of the species. Dingoes are on our turf, they are slaughtered every day and have been put on the International Union for Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources' Red List of Threatened Species as ``vulnerable''. Dingoes are our top land predator and keep harmony in the ecosystem. Where dingoes are now extinct we have a major imbalance with pigs, goats, cats and foxes. Dingoes are here for a reason and are just as important as whales. Nic Papalia president of the West Australian Dingo Association, Balga (WA). Whats this all about? *Is it nationwide? Gunner "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." *Grey Ghost Nah, its bull****. No shortage of dingoes, all over the bloody place, killing sheep, cattle, etc etc. Most state governments employ people to hunt and kill them (their called "doggers") Very few purebred ones left cause they mate with ordinary dogs, and the purebreds are looked after anyway. Some on Fraser Island, but they went and bit people, so we shot a few of them. The rest calmed down. Anyway, whales are much more useful - you cant eat a dingo, or get oil from it. Andrew VK3BFA.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Sounds like a coyote. Do-gooders want to protect those until their pet poodle gets eaten. They're everywhere, even in the outskirts of towns. Have seen a very nice woman's jacket done by a trapper, all matched pelts. Don't imagine that the same could be done with dingoes. Stan |
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:37:59 +1000, "Grumpy"
wrote: Incidentally, there are far more kangaroos now than there have ever been. Their numbers are limited by the availability of water,and, as graziers drill wells to supply water for their livestock,they benefit as well. A few years ago, I drove to Brisbane from Perth via Peterboro, Broken Hill, Wilcannia. On one stretch of road, about 400 km (240 miles) there was a dead kangaroo (roadkill) about every 10 metres on both sides of the road, that works out at about 80,000 roos. That does not include the 800,000+ that managed to dodge the trucks. I once hit one, it bounded out of the side of the road, I just saw a blur, hit the right side of the bullbar and bounced off into my driver side front door leaving a big dent. Another roadkill and insurance claim. Of course the greenie nuts claim they are an "Endangered species" Alan |
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Coyotes and a couple other predators are over populated.
Much due to laws prevenging shooting them. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. wrote in message ... Sounds like a coyote. Do-gooders want to protect those until their pet poodle gets eaten. They're everywhere, even in the outskirts of towns. Have seen a very nice woman's jacket done by a trapper, all matched pelts. Don't imagine that the same could be done with dingoes. Stan |
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 11:31:23 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote: Coyotes and a couple other predators are over populated. Much due to laws prevenging shooting them. What laws are those, the ones that discourage shooting coyotes at the school bus stop? Coyote hunting regs are generally very liberal. Liberal in the shoot all you want sense. -- Ned Simmons |
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:37:59 +1000, "Grumpy"
wrote: "Gunner Asch" wrote in message .. . Stop culling dingoes, they're our vulnerable species May 21, 2009 It's a bit of a beat-up actually. There are still lots of the *******s about! The problem is that there aren't a lot of purebred Dingos left as they have a tendency to interbreed with anything vaguely resembling a dog. In the outback, where they belong, they do a service by knocking off the feral cats( which eat anything smaller than themselves) but they take a lot of lambs when they get onto sheep stations. They take up the niche in the environment that coyotes occupy in North America. The ones on Frazier Island are still pretty much a pure strain, but they have been fed by tourists and lost all fear of humans. A boy was killed by them about ten years ago and a few of the most aggressive ones were quietly shot while the Rabid Greenies were away looking for television cameras. They have again multiplied and there are apparently a number of aggressive ones about again. I wouldn't take my granddaughter there. Incidentally, there are far more kangaroos now than there have ever been. Their numbers are limited by the availability of water,and, as graziers drill wells to supply water for their livestock,they benefit as well. They don't tend to damage the surface of the land as much as cattle and sheep,so there have been a few attempts to sell roo meat in bucher shops and supermarkets. I've tried it, but it has to be eaten quite rare as it gets very tough if cooked any more than medium-rare. Ah! Thanks! I live in Coyote country, and shoot them whenever I can, as they eat California Kit foxes, which indeed are a rare and endangered species. http://www.conservationinstitute.org...cn_kit_fox.htm http://virtual.yosemite.cc.ca.us/ran...s/17kitfox.jpg http://www.canids.org/gallery/Popup19385.jpg They are getting quite scarce here but have learned that they are safer..when around humans. So we are finding dens close to housing developments and we see a few of them time to time, at the local gas stations, where people will buy hotdogs and hamburgers and feed them, at least in my town. But they are getting scarcer. Fish and Game Department has quietly put out the word that they would like to see the coyotes thinned out a bit...so we do it whenever possible. My part of california tends to run in drought cycles..5-7 year lengths then a couple years of rain..and then another drought cycle..and rabbits which are both species main food..tend to come and go with the cycles. During the last few years of each cycle..coyotes come into towns and feed on cats, small dogs and other "town" small critters as well as the kit foxes, so Ive killed hummm 20 or more in and around my property in the last 10 yrs, and since I live right at the edge of the housing area...I hear them all night long. Thanks for the info Gunner "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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On Apr 21, 1:09*am, wrote:
On Apr 20, 7:58*am, Andrew VK3BFA wrote: On Apr 20, 4:15*pm, Gunner Asch wrote: *Stop culling dingoes, they're our vulnerable species May 21, 2009 www.OzBackpackerTours.com.au The dingo is Australian wildlife but it is the only wildlife not given protection in this country. Lyn Watson from the Dingo Discovery Centre outside of Melbourne (``Foreign zoos pitch in to save the dingo'', May 13) should be commended for foresight and wisdom in sending dingoes to international countries in an attempt to save the gene pool, before the only dingoes left are relics next to a thylacine in the museum. When the approximate population of dingoes living on Fraser Island number 140, it is nothing short of total irresponsibility and idiocy when 56 of these dingoes have been killed since 2001 in a supposed sanctuary location. When there are such a small number of dingoes living on Fraser Island and there have been so many dingoes killed, great concern for the dwindling gene pool would be a fact for anyone remotely worried about conservation. A public that insists on abusing the privilege of this World Heritage place should be forced to abide by stringent management and rules. Other World Heritage destinations are kept pristine. A strictly controlled population of humans is brought on and off the location. First and foremost come the wildlife in any action plan. World Heritage should possibly send in their own managers to Fraser Island, as the legacy of killing 56 dingoes since 2001 is nothing short of irresponsible. In the last 12 months nine dingoes have been killed *this includes pups. Actions from the supposed carers, the rangers on Fraser Island, speak louder than words. No responsible justification can be made for this atrocity, the culling of so many dingoes and their pups highlights the hypocrisy in the departments that are supposed to be protecting and saving the dingo from extinction Australia's legacy of dingo extermination is a national disgrace. The latest killing of dingoes highlights a lack of responsible care and knowledge of the species. Dingoes are on our turf, they are slaughtered every day and have been put on the International Union for Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources' Red List of Threatened Species as ``vulnerable''. Dingoes are our top land predator and keep harmony in the ecosystem. Where dingoes are now extinct we have a major imbalance with pigs, goats, cats and foxes. Dingoes are here for a reason and are just as important as whales. Nic Papalia president of the West Australian Dingo Association, Balga (WA). Whats this all about? *Is it nationwide? Gunner "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." *Grey Ghost Nah, its bull****. No shortage of dingoes, all over the bloody place, killing sheep, cattle, etc etc. Most state governments employ people to hunt and kill them (their called "doggers") Very few purebred ones left cause they mate with ordinary dogs, and the purebreds are looked after anyway. Some on Fraser Island, but they went and bit people, so we shot a few of them. The rest calmed down. Anyway, whales are much more useful - you cant eat a dingo, or get oil from it. Andrew VK3BFA.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Sounds like a coyote. *Do-gooders want to protect those until their pet poodle gets eaten. *They're everywhere, even in the outskirts of towns. *Have seen a very nice woman's jacket done by a trapper, all matched pelts. *Don't imagine that the same could be done with dingoes. Stan Yeh, seems to run in cycles - koalas, kangaroos, dingoes, fruit bats (real nocturnal noisy *******s, we got them in our flowering Gum tree, right now. Wish they would **** off) or (insert name here) endangered species. The best one in recent years was when it was proposed to move a chemical terminal from the old port in the centre of the city (after it blew up) to a new location, miles away. Nope, cant do that - some rare parrot would be extincted(?). Nobody knew the bloody parrot was there before the compulsory "environment impact study". So, Coote (sp?) Island is still there, where it always was, waiting to go off again. BUT - the parrot, and its "habitat" is safe..........feel a touch of the Gunners coming on here... Andrew VK3BFA. |
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"Andrew VK3BFA" wrote in message ... On Apr 21, 1:09 am, wrote: On Apr 20, 7:58 am, Andrew VK3BFA wrote: On Apr 20, 4:15 pm, Gunner Asch wrote: Stop culling dingoes, they're our vulnerable species May 21, 2009 www.OzBackpackerTours.com.au The dingo is Australian wildlife but it is the only wildlife not given protection in this country. Lyn Watson from the Dingo Discovery Centre outside of Melbourne (``Foreign zoos pitch in to save the dingo'', May 13) should be commended for foresight and wisdom in sending dingoes to international countries in an attempt to save the gene pool, before the only dingoes left are relics next to a thylacine in the museum. When the approximate population of dingoes living on Fraser Island number 140, it is nothing short of total irresponsibility and idiocy when 56 of these dingoes have been killed since 2001 in a supposed sanctuary location. When there are such a small number of dingoes living on Fraser Island and there have been so many dingoes killed, great concern for the dwindling gene pool would be a fact for anyone remotely worried about conservation. A public that insists on abusing the privilege of this World Heritage place should be forced to abide by stringent management and rules. Other World Heritage destinations are kept pristine. A strictly controlled population of humans is brought on and off the location. First and foremost come the wildlife in any action plan. World Heritage should possibly send in their own managers to Fraser Island, as the legacy of killing 56 dingoes since 2001 is nothing short of irresponsible. In the last 12 months nine dingoes have been killed this includes pups. Actions from the supposed carers, the rangers on Fraser Island, speak louder than words. No responsible justification can be made for this atrocity, the culling of so many dingoes and their pups highlights the hypocrisy in the departments that are supposed to be protecting and saving the dingo from extinction Australia's legacy of dingo extermination is a national disgrace. The latest killing of dingoes highlights a lack of responsible care and knowledge of the species. Dingoes are on our turf, they are slaughtered every day and have been put on the International Union for Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources' Red List of Threatened Species as ``vulnerable''. Dingoes are our top land predator and keep harmony in the ecosystem. Where dingoes are now extinct we have a major imbalance with pigs, goats, cats and foxes. Dingoes are here for a reason and are just as important as whales. Nic Papalia president of the West Australian Dingo Association, Balga (WA). Whats this all about? Is it nationwide? Gunner "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost Nah, its bull****. No shortage of dingoes, all over the bloody place, killing sheep, cattle, etc etc. Most state governments employ people to hunt and kill them (their called "doggers") Very few purebred ones left cause they mate with ordinary dogs, and the purebreds are looked after anyway. Some on Fraser Island, but they went and bit people, so we shot a few of them. The rest calmed down. Anyway, whales are much more useful - you cant eat a dingo, or get oil from it. Andrew VK3BFA.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Sounds like a coyote. Do-gooders want to protect those until their pet poodle gets eaten. They're everywhere, even in the outskirts of towns. Have seen a very nice woman's jacket done by a trapper, all matched pelts. Don't imagine that the same could be done with dingoes. Stan Yeh, seems to run in cycles - koalas, kangaroos, dingoes, fruit bats (real nocturnal noisy *******s, we got them in our flowering Gum tree, right now. Wish they would **** off) or (insert name here) endangered species. The best one in recent years was when it was proposed to move a chemical terminal from the old port in the centre of the city (after it blew up) to a new location, miles away. Nope, cant do that - some rare parrot would be extincted(?). Nobody knew the bloody parrot was there before the compulsory "environment impact study". So, Coote (sp?) Island is still there, where it always was, waiting to go off again. BUT - the parrot, and its "habitat" is safe..........feel a touch of the Gunners coming on here... Andrew VK3BFA. Andrew That parrot is the Orange Breasted Parrot, and is vital to the survival of green goups all over Victoria and Tasmania. If they went extinct, there would be un-directed greenies wandering all over the place,leaving dirty hair and lingering bad smells while looking for a new cause. They would then select the common pidgeon or some other worthy species as the new recipient of their favours. I heard recently that there are about 50 of those damned parrots still in existance. Progress in Victoria will be delayed as long as they exist. Thing of the progress we could make if somebody with a 12 gauge...... nah, better not say that. |
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On 4/20/2010 8:00 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:15:37 +0800, "Royston wrote: wrote in message net... Gunner Asch wrote: Stop culling dingoes, they're our vulnerable species May 21, 2009 www.OzBackpackerTours.com.au The dingo is Australian wildlife but it is the only wildlife not given protection in this country. Lyn Watson from the Dingo Discovery Centre outside of Melbourne (``Foreign zoos pitch in to save the dingo'', May 13) should be commended for foresight and wisdom in sending dingoes to international countries in an attempt to save the gene pool, before the only dingoes left are relics next to a thylacine in the museum. When the approximate population of dingoes living on Fraser Island number 140, it is nothing short of total irresponsibility and idiocy when 56 of these dingoes have been killed since 2001 in a supposed sanctuary location. When there are such a small number of dingoes living on Fraser Island and there have been so many dingoes killed, great concern for the dwindling gene pool would be a fact for anyone remotely worried about conservation. A public that insists on abusing the privilege of this World Heritage place should be forced to abide by stringent management and rules. Other World Heritage destinations are kept pristine. A strictly controlled population of humans is brought on and off the location. First and foremost come the wildlife in any action plan. World Heritage should possibly send in their own managers to Fraser Island, as the legacy of killing 56 dingoes since 2001 is nothing short of irresponsible. In the last 12 months nine dingoes have been killed this includes pups. Actions from the supposed carers, the rangers on Fraser Island, speak louder than words. No responsible justification can be made for this atrocity, the culling of so many dingoes and their pups highlights the hypocrisy in the departments that are supposed to be protecting and saving the dingo from extinction Australia's legacy of dingo extermination is a national disgrace. The latest killing of dingoes highlights a lack of responsible care and knowledge of the species. Dingoes are on our turf, they are slaughtered every day and have been put on the International Union for Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources' Red List of Threatened Species as ``vulnerable''. Dingoes are our top land predator and keep harmony in the ecosystem. Where dingoes are now extinct we have a major imbalance with pigs, goats, cats and foxes. Dingoes are here for a reason and are just as important as whales. Nic Papalia president of the West Australian Dingo Association, Balga (WA). Whats this all about? Is it nationwide? "Today, dingoes are legally classified as vermin and carry a bounty of $20 AUS ($11 USD) a head. Rewards for dingoes caught on the inside (southeast) of the fence can be upwards of $500 AUS." ("The fence" is 3488 miles. Australia has the world's longest fence.) "The Dingo Fence or Dog Fence is a pest-exclusion fence that was built in Australia during the 1880s and finished in 1885, to keep dingoes out of the relatively fertile south-east part of the continent (where they had largely been exterminated) and protect the sheep flocks of southern Queensland." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingo_Fence They don't much care for kangaroos either, except as a tourist draw. Regarded as just another pest. The dingos are a pest& in large numbers in many parts. Same with roos. Main problem is feral cats/dogs, goats and camels. The cats eat all the small marsupials etc& the camels trash the land and breed like crazy. IIRC the population in australia is 1 million camels. "The wild dog/dingo is a serious predator of sheep, cattle and other livestock in areas of Queensland; New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia and Western Australia. Wild dogs/dingoes are regarded as serious pests. In the Eastern Highlands of Victoria, wild dogs/dingoes, either alone or in-groups, sporadically attack sheep flocks and may kill or maim many sheep in a single attack." www.dpi.vic.gov.au Thanks! I was curious. Much obliged. Gunner "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost In the Northern Territory (Australia) where I live Dingoes are protected . Although landowners who can prove that dingos are a problem to thier live stock can apply for permits to control them , by shooting or baiting. Mostly it's domestic dogs gone feral that are the cause of the problem and those that have cross bred with the dingo .That's been our experience around these parts .I've shot quite a few feral dogs and there aint much dingo in them. In other States they are classed as vermin ,and some States have a bounty on them. Fraser Island (Queensland) is a differnt kettle of fish,it's a National Park and dingos are protected in National Parks. Problem on Frazer Island is that campers and tourists are feeding the dingoes which causes them to become agressive at times and will approach humans very closely for food .A dingo could savage a small child easily. The dingo is a wild animal ( but easily domesticated ) , like most wild animals , they will take any opportunity for a quick easy feed. When they become aggresive the Park Rangers are forced to shoot them to protect the public. ( no different to bears in the US national parks ). What the rangers should do is shoot the idiots that feed the dingoes or at least hit them with a few thousand dollar fine to teach them a lesson.Best thing to do is completely close Farzer Island to the public for a few years and let the dingoes fend for them selves ,like they should be doing. So the vermin classification is not nation widwe like the article says . -- Kevin (Bluey) "I'm not young enough to know everything." |
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On 4/24/2010 2:17 PM, Grumpy wrote:
"Lyn Watson from the Dingo Discovery Centre outside of Melbourne" The above says it all she lives in Melbounre or "outside of Melbourne" ( how far outside ?) , not exactly the outback of Australia is it? What about the dingo that killed Azaria Chamberlain in Central Australia ? No one believed it , but Aboriginal people new about dingoes snatching unattended babies from their camps ,they been doing it for 40,000 years. -- Kevin (Bluey) "I'm not young enough to know everything." |
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On 4/20/2010 3:37 AM, Grumpy wrote:
They don't tend to damage the surface of the land as much as cattle and sheep,so there have been a few attempts to sell roo meat in bucher shops and supermarkets. I've tried it, but it has to be eaten quite rare as it gets very tough if cooked any more than medium-rare. I tried some my first visit there. It's obviously different than beef, but not real gamey. I liked it. I'd also visited a jerky maker in Cootamundra, where I bought some bulk roo, emu, and gator jerky. I commented that roo jerky ought to be very popular. The owner sorta chuckled and explained that at one time (and maybe still?) roo meat was a major ingredient in dog food. Thus many Australians associate roo meat with dog food, and that was his explanation for the overall scarcity of it. We'd hit both supermarkets in town, and two butcher shops before finding me a roo steak. Jon |
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