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Cox Communications drops Usenet
Dear Valued Customer:
Effective June 30, 2010, Cox Communications will discontinue Usenet service to our subscribers. Best Regards Tom. |
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Cox Communications drops Usenet
On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:24:15 -0700, the infamous "azotic"
scrawled the following: Dear Valued Customer: Effective June 30, 2010, Cox Communications will discontinue Usenet service to our subscribers. If they were truly valued customers, Cocks wouldn't be screwing them out of Usenet service, would they, Tom? sigh -- "I think you very well may see a revolution in this country and it will not be a revolution to overthrow the government," he said. "It would be a revolution to restore government to its constitutional basis." --Rob Weaver on VoA, 4/19/10 |
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Cox Communications drops Usenet
azotic wrote:
Dear Valued Customer: Effective June 30, 2010, Cox Communications will discontinue Usenet service to our subscribers. Well, Charter did that a number of years ago. They paid an outside service to provide it, and if it went down Friday night, it would not be back up until Monday morning. Certain groups (like rec.crafts.metalworking) would just disappear for a week at a time. So, I finally gave up and bought a monthly subscription to giga-news. I get the lowest tier at $6.95 a month. It galls me to have to pay twice for the service, as Charter CLAIMS they provide the service, but it never works. The only problem with Giga-News is they have all of R.C.M back to June 2003, and it is over 500,000 messages, now. That kind of bogs down my computer when I open the newsgroups. Jon |
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Cox Communications drops Usenet
I can set up a NNTP server for rec.crafts.metalworking and
sci.engr.joining.welding only. Accessible by anyone for free. i On 2010-04-20, Jon Elson wrote: azotic wrote: Dear Valued Customer: Effective June 30, 2010, Cox Communications will discontinue Usenet service to our subscribers. Well, Charter did that a number of years ago. They paid an outside service to provide it, and if it went down Friday night, it would not be back up until Monday morning. Certain groups (like rec.crafts.metalworking) would just disappear for a week at a time. So, I finally gave up and bought a monthly subscription to giga-news. I get the lowest tier at $6.95 a month. It galls me to have to pay twice for the service, as Charter CLAIMS they provide the service, but it never works. The only problem with Giga-News is they have all of R.C.M back to June 2003, and it is over 500,000 messages, now. That kind of bogs down my computer when I open the newsgroups. Jon |
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:01:19 -0500, Jon Elson wrote:
azotic wrote: Dear Valued Customer: Effective June 30, 2010, Cox Communications will discontinue Usenet service to our subscribers. Well, Charter did that a number of years ago. They paid an outside service to provide it, and if it went down Friday night, it would not be back up until Monday morning. Certain groups (like rec.crafts.metalworking) would just disappear for a week at a time. So, I finally gave up and bought a monthly subscription to giga-news. I get the lowest tier at $6.95 a month. It galls me to have to pay twice for the service, as Charter CLAIMS they provide the service, but it never works. The only problem with Giga-News is they have all of R.C.M back to June 2003, and it is over 500,000 messages, now. That kind of bogs down my computer when I open the newsgroups. Jon Odd...I pay $4.95 a month for Giganews. Lowest rung, but I use only a few newsgroups and a couple binary groups. I had to drop my 12yr old internet account some time ago..$25 a month for dialup was simply not in my budget..and Im sharing HIGH speed internet with a neighbor across the street with wifi. So my cost for internet access is $0, and Usenet is $4.95 per month. Its nice to be able to view real time video. Never had it before. Gunner Gunner "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:01:19 -0500, Jon Elson wrote:
azotic wrote: Dear Valued Customer: Effective June 30, 2010, Cox Communications will discontinue Usenet service to our subscribers. Well, Charter did that a number of years ago. They paid an outside service to provide it, and if it went down Friday night, it would not be back up until Monday morning. Certain groups (like rec.crafts.metalworking) would just disappear for a week at a time. So, I finally gave up and bought a monthly subscription to giga-news. I get the lowest tier at $6.95 a month. It galls me to have to pay twice for the service, as Charter CLAIMS they provide the service, but it never works. The only problem with Giga-News is they have all of R.C.M back to June 2003, and it is over 500,000 messages, now. That kind of bogs down my computer when I open the newsgroups. Jon Blink blink,...your reader doesnt simply mark them "read" and only downloads the new ones??? Gunner "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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Cox Communications drops Usenet
Jon Elson wrote:
azotic wrote: Dear Valued Customer: Effective June 30, 2010, Cox Communications will discontinue Usenet service to our subscribers. Well, Charter did that a number of years ago. They paid an outside service to provide it, and if it went down Friday night, it would not be back up until Monday morning. Certain groups (like rec.crafts.metalworking) would just disappear for a week at a time. So, I finally gave up and bought a monthly subscription to giga-news. I get the lowest tier at $6.95 a month. It galls me to have to pay twice for the service, as Charter CLAIMS they provide the service, but it never works. The only problem with Giga-News is they have all of R.C.M back to June 2003, and it is over 500,000 messages, now. That kind of bogs down my computer when I open the newsgroups. Jon I don't use Thunderbird, but if it is like the newsreader in the Netscape, Mozilla, Sea Monkey chain, it really doesn't like newsgroups with a lot of content. That is if nothing has changed since the last time I checked it out. If you are on wintel, try a trial of Agent from www.forteinc.com I'm not saying they are perfect but for fairly cheap, it works. Wes |
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Wes wrote: Jon Elson wrote: azotic wrote: Dear Valued Customer: Effective June 30, 2010, Cox Communications will discontinue Usenet service to our subscribers. Well, Charter did that a number of years ago. They paid an outside service to provide it, and if it went down Friday night, it would not be back up until Monday morning. Certain groups (like rec.crafts.metalworking) would just disappear for a week at a time. So, I finally gave up and bought a monthly subscription to giga-news. I get the lowest tier at $6.95 a month. It galls me to have to pay twice for the service, as Charter CLAIMS they provide the service, but it never works. The only problem with Giga-News is they have all of R.C.M back to June 2003, and it is over 500,000 messages, now. That kind of bogs down my computer when I open the newsgroups. Jon I don't use Thunderbird, but if it is like the newsreader in the Netscape, Mozilla, Sea Monkey chain, it really doesn't like newsgroups with a lot of content. That is if nothing has changed since the last time I checked it out. I use the old Netscape 4.78 to read newsgroups. You can delete the 'SNM' file for a newsgroup when it becomes too large. The next time you want to read that group it will create a new 'SNM' file. If you have it set to only download unread headers, the new file will be quite small. If you are on wintel, try a trial of Agent from www.forteinc.com I'm not saying they are perfect but for fairly cheap, it works. Wes -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge. |
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Cox Communications drops Usenet
If your neighbor knows about the sharing, that may be a
violation of his terms of service. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... Im sharing HIGH speed internet with a neighbor across the street with wifi. So my cost for internet access is $0, and Usenet is $4.95 per month. Its nice to be able to view real time video. Never had it before. Gunner Gunner |
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Cox Communications drops Usenet
"Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:01:19 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: azotic wrote: Dear Valued Customer: Effective June 30, 2010, Cox Communications will discontinue Usenet service to our subscribers. Well, Charter did that a number of years ago. They paid an outside service to provide it, and if it went down Friday night, it would not be back up until Monday morning. Certain groups (like rec.crafts.metalworking) would just disappear for a week at a time. So, I finally gave up and bought a monthly subscription to giga-news. I get the lowest tier at $6.95 a month. It galls me to have to pay twice for the service, as Charter CLAIMS they provide the service, but it never works. The only problem with Giga-News is they have all of R.C.M back to June 2003, and it is over 500,000 messages, now. That kind of bogs down my computer when I open the newsgroups. Jon Odd...I pay $4.95 a month for Giganews. Lowest rung, but I use only a few newsgroups and a couple binary groups. I had to drop my 12yr old internet account some time ago..$25 a month for dialup was simply not in my budget..and Im sharing HIGH speed internet with a neighbor across the street with wifi. So my cost for internet access is $0, and Usenet is $4.95 per month. Its nice to be able to view real time video. Never had it before. Gunner Testing Freenews.netfront.net cost is $0, they let you read and post. Best Regards Tom. --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- |
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Cox Communications drops Usenet
In article ,
"azotic" wrote: Dear Valued Customer: Effective June 30, 2010, Cox Communications will discontinue Usenet service to our subscribers. Best Regards Tom. Check out DSL Extreme... They include full usenet access with (I think all of) their accounts. Been with them about 3 years now and they've rocked the whole time. However... note that I only use DSL Extreme as a 'dumb pipe' to the internet, and don't use their e-mail or DNS server... and can't vouch for the performance of either. (I IMAP Gmail, and flip flop between Open DNS and Google DNS.) Erik |
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Cox Communications drops Usenet
I've been using eternal-september.org, which is free, quite happily ever
since comcast dropped usenet. -- As we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. (Benjamin Franklin) |
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Wes wrote: Jon Elson wrote: azotic wrote: Dear Valued Customer: Effective June 30, 2010, Cox Communications will discontinue Usenet service to our subscribers. Well, Charter did that a number of years ago. They paid an outside service to provide it, and if it went down Friday night, it would not be back up until Monday morning. Certain groups (like rec.crafts.metalworking) would just disappear for a week at a time. So, I finally gave up and bought a monthly subscription to giga-news. I get the lowest tier at $6.95 a month. It galls me to have to pay twice for the service, as Charter CLAIMS they provide the service, but it never works. The only problem with Giga-News is they have all of R.C.M back to June 2003, and it is over 500,000 messages, now. That kind of bogs down my computer when I open the newsgroups. Jon I don't use Thunderbird, but if it is like the newsreader in the Netscape, Mozilla, Sea Monkey chain, it really doesn't like newsgroups with a lot of content. That is if nothing has changed since the last time I checked it out. I use the old Netscape 4.78 to read newsgroups. You can delete the 'SNM' file for a newsgroup when it becomes too large. The next time you want to read that group it will create a new 'SNM' file. If you have it set to only download unread headers, the new file will be quite small. Got you beat, 4.75 here I've tried a bunch of other newsreaders, but just haven't liked them. |
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Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
I've been using eternal-september.org, which is free, quite happily ever since comcast dropped usenet. Same here, but mine was Bellsouth. Mostly good text only. technomaNge -- Due to anticipated high turnout in 2010's election, the Electorial College has scheduled: Nov. 1, 2010 All Independents vote. Nov. 2, 2010 All Republicans vote. Nov. 3, 2010 All Democrats vote. |
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"Pete C." wrote: "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Wes wrote: Jon Elson wrote: azotic wrote: Dear Valued Customer: Effective June 30, 2010, Cox Communications will discontinue Usenet service to our subscribers. Well, Charter did that a number of years ago. They paid an outside service to provide it, and if it went down Friday night, it would not be back up until Monday morning. Certain groups (like rec.crafts.metalworking) would just disappear for a week at a time. So, I finally gave up and bought a monthly subscription to giga-news. I get the lowest tier at $6.95 a month. It galls me to have to pay twice for the service, as Charter CLAIMS they provide the service, but it never works. The only problem with Giga-News is they have all of R.C.M back to June 2003, and it is over 500,000 messages, now. That kind of bogs down my computer when I open the newsgroups. Jon I don't use Thunderbird, but if it is like the newsreader in the Netscape, Mozilla, Sea Monkey chain, it really doesn't like newsgroups with a lot of content. That is if nothing has changed since the last time I checked it out. I use the old Netscape 4.78 to read newsgroups. You can delete the 'SNM' file for a newsgroup when it becomes too large. The next time you want to read that group it will create a new 'SNM' file. If you have it set to only download unread headers, the new file will be quite small. Got you beat, 4.75 here I've tried a bunch of other newsreaders, but just haven't liked them. I used 3. something, then 4.0, and kept updating till AOL bought & killed off Netscape. I agree, I've tried other news readers and didn't like any of them. Even though my headers claim Win 95, I'm running a newer OS. This has been moved from one computer to another for over 13 years. I do the install, then replace everything in the Netscape folder with the files from the old machine. -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge. |
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 20:29:35 -0700, Erik wrote:
In article , "azotic" wrote: Dear Valued Customer: Effective June 30, 2010, Cox Communications will discontinue Usenet service to our subscribers. Best Regards Tom. Check out DSL Extreme... They include full usenet access with (I think all of) their accounts. Been with them about 3 years now and they've rocked the whole time. However... note that I only use DSL Extreme as a 'dumb pipe' to the internet, and don't use their e-mail or DNS server... and can't vouch for the performance of either. (I IMAP Gmail, and flip flop between Open DNS and Google DNS.) Erik DSL extreme is only available in some..some large urban areas. In fact..DSL isnt even availble in most of America Gunner "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 20:29:35 -0700, Erik wrote:
In article , "azotic" wrote: Dear Valued Customer: Effective June 30, 2010, Cox Communications will discontinue Usenet service to our subscribers. Best Regards Tom. Check out DSL Extreme... They include full usenet access with (I think all of) their accounts. Been with them about 3 years now and they've rocked the whole time. I agree. However... note that I only use DSL Extreme as a 'dumb pipe' to the internet, and don't use their e-mail or DNS server... and can't vouch for the performance of either. (I IMAP Gmail, and flip flop between Open DNS and Google DNS.) Well Google has been doing there mail for a good bit of time now so no real difference there. |
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 23:41:56 -0700, the infamous Gunner Asch
scrawled the following: In fact..DSL isnt even availble in most of America I didn't even have DSL until a couple years ago, when they finally installed it. I recently complained to QWEST about their ads saying that 7Mbps DSL was only $25/mo when I was paying $27 for 1.5Mbps. I talked her into giving me the 1.5 for $20/mo when she checked and found that 7Mbps wasn't yet offered in my neighborhood. sigh Somehow, that knocked ten bucks a month off my bill, for which I'm grateful. But I'm still ****ed that I can't get the faster speed. -- "I think you very well may see a revolution in this country and it will not be a revolution to overthrow the government," he said. "It would be a revolution to restore government to its constitutional basis." --Rob Weaver on VoA, 4/19/10 |
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Gunner Asch wrote in
: DSL extreme is only available in some..some large urban areas. In fact..DSL isnt even availble in most of America That's the reason that Hughsnet and other satellite-based services are gaining acceptance and advertising heavily - especially via satellite TV services. G While - in my area - AT&T does offer DSL, the service is unavailable outside of town due to distance limitations (distance from a central office). This means that those outside city limits either use 56Kb dialup, a cell phone service (5GB/mo. limit), or a satserv. FWIW, most of the dweebs that design web pages today are blissfully unaware that their multi-megabyte/page masterpieces can take an hour to load over a scratchy dialup line... |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 12:54:32 -0600, Steve Ackman
wrote: Similar here with frontiernet. They offer two plans. 700 Kbps and 3 Mbps... but the copper is old, and if you order the faster plan, you only actually get 1.3 Mbps. I wonder how many people aren't even aware they're not getting all the bandwidth they're paying for. Frontier 6 Meg plan here, actual is about 5.6 when tested at their site, closer to 5 when tested at other sites. I can't complain though, it's transmitted wirelessly the last 12 miles. It only goes via copper for about 10'! Wayne |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 12:54:32 -0600, the infamous Steve Ackman
scrawled the following: In , on Wed, 21 Apr 2010 05:59:38 -0700, Larry Jaques, lid wrote: I didn't even have DSL until a couple years ago, when they finally installed it. I recently complained to QWEST about their ads saying that 7Mbps DSL was only $25/mo when I was paying $27 for 1.5Mbps. I talked her into giving me the 1.5 for $20/mo when she checked and found that 7Mbps wasn't yet offered in my neighborhood. sigh Somehow, that knocked ten bucks a month off my bill, for which I'm grateful. But I'm still ****ed that I can't get the faster speed. Similar here with frontiernet. They offer two plans. 700 Kbps and 3 Mbps... but the copper is old, and if you order the faster plan, you only actually get 1.3 Mbps. When I complained about paying for bandwidth I wasn't getting, I was offered a downgrade to the 700 Kbps plan (which they would make retroactive to when we signed up) or I could keep paying for the full 3 and continue getting what I was getting. Oops, how'd that woodsman get up the pole so far and cut so much cable out last night? I wonder who it was... No "custom" deals offered, even though I mentioned that ideally, I'd like to keep getting the 1.3 Mbps that was possible with the current lines. (I was really spoiled by the 8Mbps cable we'd just come from.) I can imagine. Then I recalled back to the first cable connection I had @ 384 Kbps in the '90s and how wonderful it was to be upgraded to 512 Kbps. I guess 700 Kbps isn't all that bad... yeah, I can live with that. Just not as happily. I wonder how many people aren't even aware they're not getting all the bandwidth they're paying for. Probably not more than 90% or so. It's so much faster than 56.6k, who can tell? g -- "I think you very well may see a revolution in this country and it will not be a revolution to overthrow the government," he said. "It would be a revolution to restore government to its constitutional basis." --Rob Weaver on VoA, 4/19/10 |
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"DoN. Nichols" wrote: On 2010-04-22, Michael A. Terrell wrote: "DoN. Nichols" wrote: [ ... ] Hmm ... I don't consider *any* browser to be a true newsreader. Have either of you ever tried something written from scratch as a newsreader? It is part of the email client in the old Netscape. The browser itself is now mostly useless but I've got over a decade of selected, archived email and newsgroup messages. What format does it archive the email and usenet messages in? [ ... ] I use XNews to recover multi part schematics and photos of old radios, but prefer the way the older Netscape displays messages. The biggest problem with changing the way I read usenet is the loss of the archive, without converting thousands of messages to text files, or printing them out. Hmm ... all newsreaders and e-mail clients which I have used save articles and e-mail in plain text files. If the browser does not, that is another reason to not use it. The mail and newsreader component of Netscape Communicator, Netscape Messenger *is not* a browser, it is a separate component. Netscape Navigator is the browser. Netscape Composer (HTML editor) is also a component of the Netscape Communicator package. I've tried a number of other newsreaders and none of them handle as well as Netscape Messenger for browsing newsgroups. |
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Pete C. wrote:
The mail and newsreader component of Netscape Communicator, Netscape Messenger *is not* a browser, it is a separate component. Netscape Navigator is the browser. Netscape Composer (HTML editor) is also a component of the Netscape Communicator package. I've tried a number of other newsreaders and none of them handle as well as Netscape Messenger for browsing newsgroups. With the (evidently) demise of Netscape (which I used for many years) someone put me on to SeaMonkey which is a development of Netscape and behaves the same way for browsing but does now work with some of the "movie things" that didn't on my Netscape. So that is what I've been using for a year or so now. ...lew... |
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:28:20 -0600, the infamous Lewis Hartswick
scrawled the following: Pete C. wrote: The mail and newsreader component of Netscape Communicator, Netscape Messenger *is not* a browser, it is a separate component. Netscape Navigator is the browser. Netscape Composer (HTML editor) is also a component of the Netscape Communicator package. I've tried a number of other newsreaders and none of them handle as well as Netscape Messenger for browsing newsgroups. With the (evidently) demise of Netscape (which I used for many years) someone put me on to SeaMonkey which is a development of Netscape and behaves the same way for browsing but does now work with some of the "movie things" that didn't on my Netscape. So that is what I've been using for a year or so now. Netscape isn't really gone. It has just been transformed into the vastly bloated new program Firefox. The trend sickens me. Firefox takes up 100MB of memory just loading itself any more. Feh! That said, it still beats MS Internet Exploder. -- ....in order that a man may be happy, it is necessary that he should not only be capable of his work, but a good judge of his work. -- John Ruskin |
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On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 05:51:33 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:28:20 -0600, the infamous Lewis Hartswick scrawled the following: Pete C. wrote: The mail and newsreader component of Netscape Communicator, Netscape Messenger *is not* a browser, it is a separate component. Netscape Navigator is the browser. Netscape Composer (HTML editor) is also a component of the Netscape Communicator package. I've tried a number of other newsreaders and none of them handle as well as Netscape Messenger for browsing newsgroups. With the (evidently) demise of Netscape (which I used for many years) someone put me on to SeaMonkey which is a development of Netscape and behaves the same way for browsing but does now work with some of the "movie things" that didn't on my Netscape. So that is what I've been using for a year or so now. Netscape isn't really gone. It has just been transformed into the vastly bloated new program Firefox. The trend sickens me. Firefox takes up 100MB of memory just loading itself any more. Feh! That said, it still beats MS Internet Exploder. "Chrome" seems to work well enough if you need something high speed and of minimal size. Gunner Ive tried the Apple Safari...which I didnt much care for..but it did work Gunner "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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On 2010-04-24, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 05:51:33 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: [ ... ] Netscape isn't really gone. It has just been transformed into the vastly bloated new program Firefox. The trend sickens me. Firefox takes up 100MB of memory just loading itself any more. Feh! That said, it still beats MS Internet Exploder. "Chrome" seems to work well enough if you need something high speed and of minimal size. Gunner Ive tried the Apple Safari...which I didnt much care for..but it did work I like Opera as a browser -- though I don't use *any* browser for usenet news. Chrome is not an option for Suns running Solaris, and I'm not sure whether it is available for the Mac OS-X yet or not. O.K. For OS-X -- but only 10.5 or later, and I'm stuck with 10.4 for running some other things which need 10.4 or older. The machine is only a Mac Mini (little cube with no keybord or monitor, but I've got both which switch between that machine and several Suns. :-) Enjoy, DoN. -- Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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Cox Communications drops Usenet
Larry Jaques wrote: On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:28:20 -0600, the infamous Lewis Hartswick scrawled the following: Pete C. wrote: The mail and newsreader component of Netscape Communicator, Netscape Messenger *is not* a browser, it is a separate component. Netscape Navigator is the browser. Netscape Composer (HTML editor) is also a component of the Netscape Communicator package. I've tried a number of other newsreaders and none of them handle as well as Netscape Messenger for browsing newsgroups. With the (evidently) demise of Netscape (which I used for many years) someone put me on to SeaMonkey which is a development of Netscape and behaves the same way for browsing but does now work with some of the "movie things" that didn't on my Netscape. So that is what I've been using for a year or so now. Netscape isn't really gone. It has just been transformed into the vastly bloated new program Firefox. The trend sickens me. Firefox takes up 100MB of memory just loading itself any more. Feh! That said, it still beats MS Internet Exploder. Firefox crashes at least daily for me. Nothing else on the system has problems, just Firefox. I'm not particularly thrilled with it obviously. IE works just fine of course. |
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Larry Jaques wrote: Netscape isn't really gone. It has just been transformed into the vastly bloated new program Firefox. The trend sickens me. Firefox takes up 100MB of memory just loading itself any more. Feh! That said, it still beats MS Internet Exploder. Netscape 4.80 is using 57,912 K right now, just to read newsgroups. -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge. |
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Cox Communications drops Usenet
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 21:19:05 -0500, the infamous "Pete C."
scrawled the following: Larry Jaques wrote: Netscape isn't really gone. It has just been transformed into the vastly bloated new program Firefox. The trend sickens me. Firefox takes up 100MB of memory just loading itself any more. Feh! That said, it still beats MS Internet Exploder. Firefox crashes at least daily for me. Nothing else on the system has problems, just Firefox. I'm not particularly thrilled with it obviously. IE works just fine of course. Interesting. You're the very first person I've heard that from. You're on a Windows box, hopefully not Vista? -- ....in order that a man may be happy, it is necessary that he should not only be capable of his work, but a good judge of his work. -- John Ruskin |
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Cox Communications drops Usenet
Larry Jaques wrote: On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 21:19:05 -0500, the infamous "Pete C." scrawled the following: Larry Jaques wrote: Netscape isn't really gone. It has just been transformed into the vastly bloated new program Firefox. The trend sickens me. Firefox takes up 100MB of memory just loading itself any more. Feh! That said, it still beats MS Internet Exploder. Firefox crashes at least daily for me. Nothing else on the system has problems, just Firefox. I'm not particularly thrilled with it obviously. IE works just fine of course. Interesting. You're the very first person I've heard that from. You're on a Windows box, hopefully not Vista? It's on a Win7 box. I've heard of a few other people having Firefox issues, not sure what versions they are on. |
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Cox Communications drops Usenet
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Larry Jaques wrote: Netscape isn't really gone. It has just been transformed into the vastly bloated new program Firefox. The trend sickens me. Firefox takes up 100MB of memory just loading itself any more. Feh! That said, it still beats MS Internet Exploder. Netscape 4.80 is using 57,912 K right now, just to read newsgroups. Was 11,104 K here until I went to reply to this message and then it went to 11,248 K. This is on a Win2K box. |
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