Do you think this fiasco will pass Sunday?

I hope and pray reason will prevail. But I thought McCain would win.

Go figger.

Steve

On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:49:44 -0700, the infamous "Steve B"
scrawled the following:

Do you think this fiasco will pass Sunday?

Those fools just might do it.


I hope and pray reason will prevail.

In WASHINGTON, D.C.? What were you thinking?
-------------------

If it passes, I'll bet you can count the seconds before a
2nd American Revolution starts thundering through our country.

I think I'll stock up on groceries and get more water today, JIC.

--
Adults are obsolete children. --Dr. Seuss (Theodore Geisel, 1904-1991)
--

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:49:44 -0700, the infamous "Steve B"
scrawled the following:

Do you think this fiasco will pass Sunday?

Those fools just might do it.


I hope and pray reason will prevail.

In WASHINGTON, D.C.? What were you thinking?
-------------------

If it passes, I'll bet you can count the seconds before a
2nd American Revolution starts thundering through our country.

I think I'll stock up on groceries and get more water today, JIC.

--
Adults are obsolete children. --Dr. Seuss (Theodore Geisel, 1904-1991)
--


There is so much money involved, I doubt they can keep their hands off.

--

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 08:08:16 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:49:44 -0700, the infamous "Steve B"
scrawled the following:

Do you think this fiasco will pass Sunday?

Those fools just might do it.


I hope and pray reason will prevail.

In WASHINGTON, D.C.? What were you thinking?
-------------------

If it passes, I'll bet you can count the seconds before a
2nd American Revolution starts thundering through our country.

I think I'll stock up on groceries and get more water today, JIC.

And some extra ammo......


--
Adults are obsolete children. --Dr. Seuss (Theodore Geisel, 1904-1991)


"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

Do you think this fiasco will pass Sunday?

Those fools just might do it.


I hope and pray reason will prevail.

In WASHINGTON, D.C.? What were you thinking?
-------------------

If it passes, I'll bet you can count the seconds before a
2nd American Revolution starts thundering through our country.

I think I'll stock up on groceries and get more water today, JIC.

And some extra ammo......


I don't know why. You have nothing anybody would want to take. That
means you have nothing to protect or fear. The last thing you'll ever
need is more ammo. Food, yeah.


Hawke

Gunner Asch fired this volley in
:

And some extra ammo......

Look what Harry Reid Hid deep in the Health Care Bill

Unbelievable - Harry Reid Hidden deep in the Health Care Bill this
passage.

They never stop, they will keep trying to shove this down our throats
until they get it through...pass this on to everyone...


Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada is proving once again the
maxim that darkness hates the light.

Buried in his massive amendment to the Senate version of Obamacare is
Reid's anti-democratic poison pill designed to prevent any future
Congress from repealing the central feature of this monstrous
legislation!

Beginning on page 1,000 of the measure, Section 3403 reads in part: ".
it shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to
consider any bill, resolution, amendment or conference report that would
repeal or otherwise change this subsection."

In other words, if President Barack Obama signs this measure into law,
no future Senate or House will be able to change a single word of Section
3403, regardless whether future Americans or their representatives in
Congress wish otherwise!!

Note that the subsection at issue here concerns the regulatory power of
the Independent Medicare Advisory Board (IMAB) to "reduce the per capita
rate of growth in Medicare spending."

That is precisely the kind of open-ended grant of regulatory power that
effectively establishes the IMAB as the ultimate arbiter of the cost,
quality and quantity of health care to be made available to the American
people. And Reid wants the decisions of this group of unelected federal
bureaucrats to be untouchable for all time.

No wonder the majority leader tossed aside assurances that senators and
the public would have at least 72 hours to study the text of the final
Senate version of Obamacare before the critical vote on cloture. And no
wonder Reid was so desperate to rush his amendment through the Senate,
even scheduling the key tally on it at 1 a.m., while America slept.

True to form, Reid wanted to keep his Section 3403 poison pill secret
for as long as possible, just as he negotiated his bribes for the votes
of Senators Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, Ben Nelson of Nebraska and Bernie
Sanders of Vermont behind closed doors.

The final Orwellian touch in this subversion of democratic procedure is
found in the ruling of the Reid-controlled Senate Parliamentarian that
the anti-repeal provision is not a change in Senate rules, but rather of
Senate "procedures." Why is that significant? Because for 200 years,
changes in the Senate's standing rules have required approval by two-
thirds of those voting, or 67 votes rather than the 60 Reid's amendment
received.

Reid has flouted two centuries of standing Senate rules to pass a
measure in the dead of night that no senator has read, and part of which
can never be changed. If this is not tyranny, then what is?


LLoyd

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote in message
. 3.70...
Gunner Asch fired this volley in
:

And some extra ammo......

Look what Harry Reid Hid deep in the Health Care Bill

Unbelievable - Harry Reid Hidden deep in the Health Care Bill this
passage.

They never stop, they will keep trying to shove this down our throats
until they get it through...pass this on to everyone...


Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada is proving once again the
maxim that darkness hates the light.

Buried in his massive amendment to the Senate version of Obamacare is
Reid's anti-democratic poison pill designed to prevent any future
Congress from repealing the central feature of this monstrous
legislation!

(snip)

What scholars (not!) are you cutting and pasting this from? This has been
in the bill for months and it does not mean that no future congress can
repeal this section. see here for the facts
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/01/med...-unrepealable/

On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 19:35:58 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:



In other words, if President Barack Obama signs this measure into law,
no future Senate or House will be able to change a single word of Section
3403, regardless whether future Americans or their representatives in
Congress wish otherwise!!


As far as I know, an act of Congress cannot limit the actions of a
future Congress.

--
Ned Simmons

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote in message
. 3.70...
Gunner Asch fired this volley in
:

And some extra ammo......

Look what Harry Reid Hid deep in the Health Care Bill

Unbelievable - Harry Reid Hidden deep in the Health Care Bill this
passage.

They never stop, they will keep trying to shove this down our throats
until they get it through...pass this on to everyone...


Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada is proving once again the
maxim that darkness hates the light.

Buried in his massive amendment to the Senate version of Obamacare is
Reid's anti-democratic poison pill designed to prevent any future
Congress from repealing the central feature of this monstrous
legislation!

Beginning on page 1,000 of the measure, Section 3403 reads in part: ".
it shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to
consider any bill, resolution, amendment or conference report that would
repeal or otherwise change this subsection."

In other words, if President Barack Obama signs this measure into law,
no future Senate or House will be able to change a single word of Section
3403, regardless whether future Americans or their representatives in
Congress wish otherwise!!

snip

This is not true, Lloyd. It's an amateurish misreading of the text by
RedState, which was in turn picked up by Sarah ("Death Panel") Palin, our
Idiot-in-Chief. Then the Washington Times and the right-wing blogosphere
revved up their engines and drove over the cliff.

Here's the real story. This kind of *rules* limitation has been done several
times in the past. It is not a *legislation* limitation. Congress can
overturn the whole thing any time they want to, with a regular vote:

http://www.neutralsource.org/content/blog/detail/1452/

It is not Constitutional for Congress to pass a law that says future
congresses can't overturn it. It wouldn't stand up if they tried.

--
Ed Huntress

For those interested in estimating chances of Obamacare legislation
passing, here's an interesting page:

http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/t...elConID=709242

Intrade is a prediction market, and participants, who are betting with
real money, currently estimate the chance of it passing as 84%.

i

"Ed Huntress" fired this volley in
:

It is not Constitutional for Congress to pass a law that says future
congresses can't overturn it. It wouldn't stand up if they tried.



I already knew that. This is a regularly-circulated chain letter from
the abjectly right-ish folks who can't actually figure out how to go
vote.

I do. I will.

November 2012... the end of an error.

G
LLoyd

On Mar 19, 9:22*pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote in messagenews:Xns9D40D18DF3337lloydspmindspringcom@2 16.168.3.70...



Gunner Asch fired this volley in
:

And some extra ammo......

Look what Harry Reid Hid deep in the Health Care Bill

*Unbelievable - Harry Reid Hidden deep in the Health Care Bill this
passage.

*They never stop, they will keep trying to shove this down our throats
until they get it through...pass this on to everyone...

*Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada is proving once again the
maxim that darkness hates the light.

*Buried in his massive amendment to the Senate version of Obamacare is
Reid's anti-democratic poison pill designed to prevent any future
Congress from repealing the central feature of this monstrous
legislation!

*Beginning on page 1,000 of the measure, Section 3403 reads in part: ".
it shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to
consider any bill, resolution, amendment or conference report that would
repeal or otherwise change this subsection."

*In other words, if President Barack Obama signs this measure into law,
no future Senate or House will be able to change a single word of Section
3403, regardless whether future Americans or their representatives in
Congress wish otherwise!!

snip

This is not true, Lloyd. It's an amateurish misreading of the text by
RedState, which was in turn picked up by Sarah ("Death Panel") Palin, our
Idiot-in-Chief. Then the Washington Times and the right-wing blogosphere
revved up their engines and drove over the cliff.

Here's the real story. This kind of *rules* limitation has been done several
times in the past. It is not a *legislation* limitation. Congress can
overturn the whole thing any time they want to, with a regular vote:

http://www.neutralsource.org/content/blog/detail/1452/

It is not Constitutional for Congress to pass a law that says future
congresses can't overturn it. It wouldn't stand up if they tried.

--
Ed Huntress

If that is the case, why did they bother to put the words in the bill?

Dan

On Mar 19, 9:22*pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:

This is not true, Lloyd. It's an amateurish misreading of the text by
RedState, which was in turn picked up by Sarah ("Death Panel") Palin, our
Idiot-in-Chief. Then the Washington Times and the right-wing blogosphere
revved up their engines and drove over the cliff.

--
Ed Huntress-
- Show quoted text -

There you go again, Ed.

You make fun of Sarah Palin for her "Death Panel" statements, just
after you admit that those death panels already exist - "They're
called Medical Directors in the insurance industry."

The federal government wants to be in the health care business and
will be before too long - anyone who thinks the public option has been
forgotten simply isn't paying attention. And when we do get there, we
will have bureaucrats making the same decisions that are made by the
insurance companies' Medical Directors. There will always have to be
someone to say "no", and sometimes that will be to an expensive
procedure that might prolong a life.

So, which is it? Was Sarah on target, or will the taxpayers be
footing the bill for every possible procedure and drug that might even
slightly benefit a patient?

You can't have it both ways.

John Martin

On Mar 19, 8:08*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 08:08:16 -0700, Larry Jaques





wrote:
On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:49:44 -0700, the infamous "Steve B"
scrawled the following:

Do you think this fiasco will pass Sunday?

Those fools just might do it.

I hope and pray reason will prevail.

In WASHINGTON, D.C.? *What were you thinking?
-------------------

If it passes, I'll bet you can count the seconds before a
2nd American Revolution starts thundering through our country.

I think I'll stock up on groceries and get more water today, JIC.

And some extra ammo......

Are you at all serious about ANYTHING that you write? Do you really
expect an "end of the world" over this legislation, which replaces,
formalizes and funds some of the charity care which has kept you alive
the past few years? Seriously?

Maybe you should consider stocking up on tin foil.

In , on Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:49:44
-0700, Steve B, wrote:
Do you think this fiasco will pass Sunday?

I hope and pray reason will prevail. But I thought McCain would win.

Go figger.

In one thread, you've got a bunch of people all clamoring for a police
state, then this one decrying government intervention.

The power to require ID is the same power to require health care.

"Go figger." Indeed.

I hope (but do not pray) that reason will prevail and that everyone
would have access to some level of medical care.

i

On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:47:57 -0500, the infamous Ignoramus4239
scrawled the following:

I hope (but do not pray) that reason will prevail and that everyone
would have access to some level of medical care.

And you trust CONgresscritters to accomplish that? GET REAL, Ig.

--
Adults are obsolete children. --Dr. Seuss (Theodore Geisel, 1904-1991)
--

"Ignoramus4239" wrote in message
...
I hope (but do not pray) that reason will prevail and that everyone
would have access to some level of medical care.

i

We do now.

On 3/18/2010 6:49 PM, Steve B wrote:
Do you think this fiasco will pass Sunday?

I hope and pray reason will prevail. But I thought McCain would win.

Go figger.

Steve


Not so hard really. You just don't understand the issue you're talking
about. That explains why you were wrong about McCain as you were about
Bush and Obama. You just have lousy judgment. You prove it once again
with this point of view. The current system is in the process of
failing. Nothing is going to stop that, so the wise thing to do is
change it before it collapses. That is what the Democrats are in the
process of doing. The ignorant people are so afraid of changing they are
****ting their pants. The rest of us welcome the change from a corrupt,
inefficient, and unfair system to a much more rational one. The problem
is that you can't see that. And you listen to way too much republican
propaganda. If you could you'd not have your usual off target
prediction. I predict the bill passes. Want to bet who's right?

Hawke

On Mar 18, 9:49*pm, "Steve B" wrote:
Do you think this fiasco will pass Sunday?

I hope and pray reason will prevail. *But I thought McCain would win.

Go figger.

Steve

To whom or what are you praying, and do you think that entity values
your tax dollar more than the health and lives of those who can't
afford the current bull**** we call "health insurance?"

Probably not this time. But, then, the socialists will keep
trying until they do enact it. Note, I didn't say "pass" the
socialized medicine. I wrote "enact" it. They might deem it
to been passed, or executive order, or some other trickery.
But, they will keep trying until we lose the freedom to
manage our own health care.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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"Steve B" wrote in message
news Do you think this fiasco will pass Sunday?

I hope and pray reason will prevail. But I thought McCain
would win.

Go figger.

Steve