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1,500 lbs of A-2, D-2, 304 stainless, and some 4140...
and some CPM too... 99% bars 1% rounds...

I paid $70 for this and the big shelf as one auction lot...

but then a craigslist guy came and paid me $70 for the shelf... took
the shelf right from the factory...

i

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Ignoramus5688 wrote:
1,500 lbs of A-2, D-2, 304 stainless, and some 4140...
and some CPM too... 99% bars 1% rounds...

I paid $70 for this and the big shelf as one auction lot...

but then a craigslist guy came and paid me $70 for the shelf... took
the shelf right from the factory...

i


Aw _*&^*()&

Gunner ain't the only one crying...

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http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

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"cavelamb" wrote in message
m...
Ignoramus5688 wrote:
1,500 lbs of A-2, D-2, 304 stainless, and some 4140... and some CPM
too... 99% bars 1% rounds...

I paid $70 for this and the big shelf as one auction lot...

but then a craigslist guy came and paid me $70 for the shelf... took
the shelf right from the factory...

i


Aw _*&^*()&

Gunner ain't the only one crying...

--

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http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

Second that!!!

Stu Fields

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Stu Fields wrote:
... Some people get all the luck....

Reminds me of something attributed to Lee Trevino (pro golfer of a
previous generation): someone remarked about a "lucky" shot that Lee had
& Lee replied "I've noticed that the more I practice, the luckier I get".

Same with Iggy - the more auctions he goes to, the "luckier" he gets.
His "luck" doesn't come without a cost.

Bob

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OK, guys, I kind of appreciate the sentiment, but I gotta wonder if
anyone ever use D2 or A2 for light home use purposes. 4140 seems to be
very eminently useful, but D2 or A2, I am not so sure. Seems like a
lot of trouble to machine. The only use I can think of is dies for the
press.

i

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Ignoramus5688 wrote:
OK, guys, I kind of appreciate the sentiment, but I gotta wonder if
anyone ever use D2 or A2 for light home use purposes. 4140 seems to be
very eminently useful, but D2 or A2, I am not so sure. Seems like a
lot of trouble to machine. The only use I can think of is dies for the
press.



D-2 is as tough as nails and makes great hammer chisels.
A-2 would make first class gouges for anyone turning wood on a lathe.


--
John R. Carroll

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"Ignoramus5688" wrote in message
...
OK, guys, I kind of appreciate the sentiment, but I gotta wonder if
anyone ever use D2 or A2 for light home use purposes. 4140 seems to be
very eminently useful, but D2 or A2, I am not so sure. Seems like a
lot of trouble to machine. The only use I can think of is dies for the
press.

i

I was going to ask what you're going to use the tool steel for. g You'll
find some odd jobs for it. The A2 will solve some heat-treat problems; you
can fully through-harden even complex shapes, with combinations of thin and
thick sections that are all but impossible in most steels.

D2 is an interesting steel that's also used in making knives. It's great,
also, for making shearing blades and similar things.

But neither one is much fun to machine. However, I've machined annealed D2
on my South Bend, with HSS tools. Just read the specs on it. It's not
terrible to machine. I have no experience machining A2.

Of course, both are useful for press dies.

--
Ed Huntress

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On 2010-02-12, Bob Engelhardt wrote:
Stu Fields wrote:
... Some people get all the luck....

Reminds me of something attributed to Lee Trevino (pro golfer of a
previous generation): someone remarked about a "lucky" shot that Lee had
& Lee replied "I've noticed that the more I practice, the luckier I get".

Same with Iggy - the more auctions he goes to, the "luckier" he gets.
His "luck" doesn't come without a cost.

Also dry hands, pinched fingers etc.

But at least I feel like I live a fun life in that regard.

i

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On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:18:11 -0600, Ignoramus5688
wrote:

OK, guys, I kind of appreciate the sentiment, but I gotta wonder if
anyone ever use D2 or A2 for light home use purposes. 4140 seems to be
very eminently useful, but D2 or A2, I am not so sure. Seems like a
lot of trouble to machine. The only use I can think of is dies for the
press.

i
I hear D2 makes one hell of a knife blade if you need a new hobby. If
not, and your bars are a useful size, knife makers might pay you well
for it.

My only experience with it was most of the extruders I used were made
of it.

Pete Keillor

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Ed Huntress wrote:
lid wrote in message
...
OK, guys, I kind of appreciate the sentiment, but I gotta wonder if
anyone ever use D2 or A2 for light home use purposes. 4140 seems to be
very eminently useful, but D2 or A2, I am not so sure. Seems like a
lot of trouble to machine. The only use I can think of is dies for the
press.

i

I was going to ask what you're going to use the tool steel for.g You'll
find some odd jobs for it. The A2 will solve some heat-treat problems; you
can fully through-harden even complex shapes, with combinations of thin and
thick sections that are all but impossible in most steels.

D2 is an interesting steel that's also used in making knives. It's great,
also, for making shearing blades and similar things.

But neither one is much fun to machine. However, I've machined annealed D2
on my South Bend, with HSS tools. Just read the specs on it. It's not
terrible to machine. I have no experience machining A2.

Of course, both are useful for press dies.




http://cartech.ides.com/datasheet.as...=262&c=techart

http://cartech.ides.com/datasheet.as...=263&c=techart




All machining is fun, only some is more fun than others.

With good tooling and a stiff machine cutting A2 and D2 is not a big
problem. I machine them quite often with no big problems. Heat treating
A2 is very straight forward. D2 is a little more critical so you need a
good calibrated oven.

Here is a very interesting book on making tools as well as a bunch of
other stuff.

http://www.archive.org/details/cyclo...engi01ameriala


Iggy, if you are looking to sell any of that tool steel I would be
interested in buying some if you have the sizes I use.

John

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John wrote:
Ed Huntress wrote:
lid wrote in message
...
OK, guys, I kind of appreciate the sentiment, but I gotta wonder if
anyone ever use D2 or A2 for light home use purposes. 4140 seems to be
very eminently useful, but D2 or A2, I am not so sure. Seems like a
lot of trouble to machine. The only use I can think of is dies for the
press.

i

I was going to ask what you're going to use the tool steel for.g You'll
find some odd jobs for it. The A2 will solve some heat-treat problems;
you
can fully through-harden even complex shapes, with combinations of
thin and
thick sections that are all but impossible in most steels.

D2 is an interesting steel that's also used in making knives. It's great,
also, for making shearing blades and similar things.

But neither one is much fun to machine. However, I've machined
annealed D2
on my South Bend, with HSS tools. Just read the specs on it. It's not
terrible to machine. I have no experience machining A2.

Of course, both are useful for press dies.




http://cartech.ides.com/datasheet.as...=262&c=techart

http://cartech.ides.com/datasheet.as...=263&c=techart




All machining is fun, only some is more fun than others.

With good tooling and a stiff machine cutting A2 and D2 is not a big
problem. I machine them quite often with no big problems. Heat treating
A2 is very straight forward. D2 is a little more critical so you need a
good calibrated oven.

Here is a very interesting book on making tools as well as a bunch of
other stuff.

http://www.archive.org/details/cyclo...engi01ameriala


Iggy, if you are looking to sell any of that tool steel I would be
interested in buying some if you have the sizes I use.

John



If that is cpm m4 tool steel, that is ideal for knife bladee or any
sharp edged cutting tools.

John

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On 2010-02-12, John wrote:

http://cartech.ides.com/datasheet.as...=262&c=techart

http://cartech.ides.com/datasheet.as...=263&c=techart

All machining is fun, only some is more fun than others.

With good tooling and a stiff machine cutting A2 and D2 is not a big
problem. I machine them quite often with no big problems. Heat treating
A2 is very straight forward. D2 is a little more critical so you need a
good calibrated oven.

Here is a very interesting book on making tools as well as a bunch of
other stuff.

http://www.archive.org/details/cyclo...engi01ameriala

Thanks. I will read this encyclopedia, looks like great reading, 438
pages of good stuff.


Iggy, if you are looking to sell any of that tool steel I would be
interested in buying some if you have the sizes I use.

Most definitely, I will keep maybe 30 lbs of it, but no need for
more. I will keep essentially all 4140 though. Let me know what sizes
you are looking for.

I will start getting this stuff out of the truck tonight. My approach
is to give rec.crafts.metalworking readers a substantial discount
compared to ebay.

i

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On 2010-02-12, John wrote:

If that is cpm m4 tool steel, that is ideal for knife bladee or any
sharp edged cutting tools.

Only a small quantity if what I brought, is CPM M4, but yes, it looks
interesting, I believe that it is sintered instead of melted. (I have
some M2 as well, which is what HSS lathe bits are made of.

I was reading about tool steels, looks like S-7 is the fanciest alloy
that could be made into swords.

Though I brought some D2 flats that could me made into swords, I am
reluctant to make swords, because I kind of see them as a dead end
project -- as, I hope I never actually need to use one.

A good, skeptical article about tool steels in swordmaking, is here.

http://www.tf.uni-kiel.de/matwis/ama...rd_grades.html

i

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Ignoramus5688 wrote:

I will start getting this stuff out of the truck tonight. My approach
is to give rec.crafts.metalworking readers a substantial discount
compared to ebay.

i

What shapes are the 304 in, Ig?

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On 2010-02-12, cavelamb wrote:
Ignoramus5688 wrote:

I will start getting this stuff out of the truck tonight. My approach
is to give rec.crafts.metalworking readers a substantial discount
compared to ebay.

i

What shapes are the 304 in, Ig?

Going by memory, most 304 comes in bricks, I would say 1 3/8 thick by
7 inch wide by 18 inch long -- I was in a big hurry and this is the
best memory of their perceived size.

i

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On 2010-02-12, Ignoramus5688 wrote:
On 2010-02-12, cavelamb wrote:
Ignoramus5688 wrote:

I will start getting this stuff out of the truck tonight. My approach
is to give rec.crafts.metalworking readers a substantial discount
compared to ebay.

i

What shapes are the 304 in, Ig?

Going by memory, most 304 comes in bricks, I would say 1 3/8 thick by
7 inch wide by 18 inch long -- I was in a big hurry and this is the
best memory of their perceived size.

Picture of the shelf is here

http://igor.chudov.com/misc/ebay/tmp/Lombard/314.JPG

Shelf is appx. 3x4 feet wide.

Three stainless bricks can be seen on the top shelf, left side on the
bottom part of said shelf.

i

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"Ignoramus5688" wrote in message
...
On 2010-02-12, John wrote:

If that is cpm m4 tool steel, that is ideal for knife bladee or any
sharp edged cutting tools.

Only a small quantity if what I brought, is CPM M4, but yes, it looks
interesting, I believe that it is sintered instead of melted. (I have
some M2 as well, which is what HSS lathe bits are made of.

Yes, CPM is sintered powder metal -- the best type of HSS (Crucible Powder
Metallurgy). M4 is a higher-performance cutting tool steel compared to M2,
with better wear resistance, but I didn't know that M4 was available in a
basic CPM grade. Could it be M4HC? What are the shapes?

--
Ed Huntress




I was reading about tool steels, looks like S-7 is the fanciest alloy
that could be made into swords.

Though I brought some D2 flats that could me made into swords, I am
reluctant to make swords, because I kind of see them as a dead end
project -- as, I hope I never actually need to use one.

A good, skeptical article about tool steels in swordmaking, is here.

http://www.tf.uni-kiel.de/matwis/ama...rd_grades.html

i

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On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:18:11 -0600, Ignoramus5688
wrote:

OK, guys, I kind of appreciate the sentiment, but I gotta wonder if
anyone ever use D2 or A2 for light home use purposes. 4140 seems to be
very eminently useful, but D2 or A2, I am not so sure. Seems like a
lot of trouble to machine. The only use I can think of is dies for the
press.

i

That was kinda my reaction. If someone offered me that lot for free I
wouldn't want it.

But you can very likely sell or trade it for stuff you can use, an
activity that you clearly enjoy and are good at.

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Ignoramus5688 wrote:
On 2010-02-12, Ignoramus5688 wrote:
On 2010-02-12, cavelamb wrote:
Ignoramus5688 wrote:
I will start getting this stuff out of the truck tonight. My approach
is to give rec.crafts.metalworking readers a substantial discount
compared to ebay.

i
What shapes are the 304 in, Ig?
Going by memory, most 304 comes in bricks, I would say 1 3/8 thick by
7 inch wide by 18 inch long -- I was in a big hurry and this is the
best memory of their perceived size.

Picture of the shelf is here

http://igor.chudov.com/misc/ebay/tmp/Lombard/314.JPG

Shelf is appx. 3x4 feet wide.

Three stainless bricks can be seen on the top shelf, left side on the
bottom part of said shelf.

i


Now that's a chunk of raw material!

Roll it down to .188?



--

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http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

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The A-2 is my first choice for planer and molder knives. Got any of that
stock in 2"x.250"????? A deal I will make you.

Ignoramus5688 wrote:
OK, guys, I kind of appreciate the sentiment, but I gotta wonder if
anyone ever use D2 or A2 for light home use purposes. 4140 seems to be
very eminently useful, but D2 or A2, I am not so sure. Seems like a
lot of trouble to machine. The only use I can think of is dies for the
press.

i

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Ignoramus5688 wrote:

1,500 lbs of A-2, D-2, 304 stainless, and some 4140...
and some CPM too... 99% bars 1% rounds...


Damn, you finally get a decent lathe and only score flat stock ;)

Wes

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On 2010-02-12, Wes wrote:
Ignoramus5688 wrote:

1,500 lbs of A-2, D-2, 304 stainless, and some 4140...
and some CPM too... 99% bars 1% rounds...

Damn, you finally get a decent lathe and only score flat stock ;)


That's how life works, all the time. :)

But in reality I will need flat stock more than ba stock, such is the
nature of what I do.

i

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On 2010-02-12, RoyJ wrote:
The A-2 is my first choice for planer and molder knives. Got any of that
stock in 2"x.250"????? A deal I will make you.

I will look, probably yes.

i
Ignoramus5688 wrote:
OK, guys, I kind of appreciate the sentiment, but I gotta wonder if
anyone ever use D2 or A2 for light home use purposes. 4140 seems to be
very eminently useful, but D2 or A2, I am not so sure. Seems like a
lot of trouble to machine. The only use I can think of is dies for the
press.

i

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On 2010-02-12, Don Foreman wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:18:11 -0600, Ignoramus5688
wrote:

OK, guys, I kind of appreciate the sentiment, but I gotta wonder if
anyone ever use D2 or A2 for light home use purposes. 4140 seems to be
very eminently useful, but D2 or A2, I am not so sure. Seems like a
lot of trouble to machine. The only use I can think of is dies for the
press.

i

That was kinda my reaction. If someone offered me that lot for free I
wouldn't want it.

But you can very likely sell or trade it for stuff you can use, an
activity that you clearly enjoy and are good at.

Yes on all counts.

Here's what actually happened. I went to the preview prior to biddng.
The owner was very nice and sold me, right then, a pile of aluminum
bars, something I needed. I liked him and thought that he was a great
guy.

I did see that shelf, but did not mentally register "just how much"
material was in there. The stuff was kind of deep in dusty boxes. I
thought that it was maybe 300 lbs of steel stuff.

So I bid low and, to my surprise, won it. I was in for a shock at
pickup, when the steel filled my entire pickup truck bed. I do believe
that it was 1,500 pounds, based on how low the truck was after
filling.

i

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10-4 you have my unmunged e-mail address.

Ignoramus30621 wrote:
On 2010-02-12, RoyJ wrote:
The A-2 is my first choice for planer and molder knives. Got any of that
stock in 2"x.250"????? A deal I will make you.

I will look, probably yes.

i
Ignoramus5688 wrote:
OK, guys, I kind of appreciate the sentiment, but I gotta wonder if
anyone ever use D2 or A2 for light home use purposes. 4140 seems to be
very eminently useful, but D2 or A2, I am not so sure. Seems like a
lot of trouble to machine. The only use I can think of is dies for the
press.

i

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On 2010-02-12, Ignoramus5688 wrote:
On 2010-02-12, cavelamb wrote:
Ignoramus5688 wrote:

I will start getting this stuff out of the truck tonight. My approach
is to give rec.crafts.metalworking readers a substantial discount
compared to ebay.

i

What shapes are the 304 in, Ig?

Going by memory, most 304 comes in bricks, I would say 1 3/8 thick by
7 inch wide by 18 inch long -- I was in a big hurry and this is the
best memory of their perceived size.

Hmm ... big enough to make at least BXA tool holders from. But
I'm not sure that I would want to make them of 304. :-)

Enjoy,
DoN.

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On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:29:48 -0600, the infamous Ignoramus5688
scrawled the following:

1,500 lbs of A-2, D-2, 304 stainless, and some 4140...
and some CPM too... 99% bars 1% rounds...

I paid $70 for this and the big shelf as one auction lot...

but then a craigslist guy came and paid me $70 for the shelf... took
the shelf right from the factory...

I hope that vacuum you created sucks in all the snow in Illinoisy, Ig.
You Suck, and congrats on a good haul.

--
In order that people may be happy in their work, these three things are
needed: They must be fit for it. They must not do too much of it. And
they must have a sense of success in it.
-- John Ruskin, Pre-Raphaelitism, 1850

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On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:40:41 -0600, the infamous Ignoramus5688
scrawled the following:

On 2010-02-12, John wrote:

http://cartech.ides.com/datasheet.as...=262&c=techart

http://cartech.ides.com/datasheet.as...=263&c=techart

All machining is fun, only some is more fun than others.

With good tooling and a stiff machine cutting A2 and D2 is not a big
problem. I machine them quite often with no big problems. Heat treating
A2 is very straight forward. D2 is a little more critical so you need a
good calibrated oven.

Here is a very interesting book on making tools as well as a bunch of
other stuff.

http://www.archive.org/details/cyclo...engi01ameriala

Thanks. I will read this encyclopedia, looks like great reading, 438
pages of good stuff.

Cool. I tried the "read online" option and had to laugh. I don't have
a microscope on my 22" monitor. The full text option was a laugh, too,
proving that OCR still isn't RFPT. DLing the PDF now. They should
take lessons from www.Gutenberg.org .

--
In order that people may be happy in their work, these three things are
needed: They must be fit for it. They must not do too much of it. And
they must have a sense of success in it.
-- John Ruskin, Pre-Raphaelitism, 1850

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On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:29:48 -0600, Ignoramus5688
wrote:

1,500 lbs of A-2, D-2, 304 stainless, and some 4140...
and some CPM too... 99% bars 1% rounds...

I paid $70 for this and the big shelf as one auction lot...

but then a craigslist guy came and paid me $70 for the shelf... took
the shelf right from the factory...

i

Bravo! Bravo indeed!!!!

Gunner

Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.

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On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:18:11 -0600, Ignoramus5688
wrote:

OK, guys, I kind of appreciate the sentiment, but I gotta wonder if
anyone ever use D2 or A2 for light home use purposes. 4140 seems to be
very eminently useful, but D2 or A2, I am not so sure. Seems like a
lot of trouble to machine. The only use I can think of is dies for the
press.

i

D2 and A2 make incredible knife blades btw.....

Gunner

Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.