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Or someone willing to work for 20c an hour?

In 1949, I decided that if I ever got a job paying $1.00 per hour, I
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7. What is the cheapest price you can remember for gas?


The cheapest that I ever paid was $0.29 9/10. I'm not sure whether there
was a gas war going on at the time or not.


94 cents a gallon around 1995


$0.259 Dec., 1968, Grand Ledge, MI. Yes, there was a gas war. And my tank
(MG Midget) held 7.2 gallons US. I paid by credit card. g


1965 - working at Mobil Oil field research station in Dallas. They
had a pump on site for employees that was alway $0.20 / gal. Never
got used - we could always find cheaper in town. Hamburger, gas and
grapes - nineteen cents a pound or gallon.
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I had a 1275cc (1967) and got better mileage than that. The main reason
was
that I swapped out the standard 4.22 rear end for the optional 3.727.
Then I
had another one for hillclimbs -- maybe 5.11? I forget.

Anyway, I could do 75 on the highway without overrevving, with the 3.727,
and I got about 34 mpg at 65.


I don't know what rear end was in mine. Did you have the deluxe model
with
a gas gauge, roll up windows, and an outside door handle? Mine was pretty
much the base ragtop with no extras. I still have the old title and it
shows a
list price of $1395. I bought it used in Jun '67 for $250.
Art


Yeah, I had the Mk III, same as the Mk IV AH Sprite, and which was the last
one with an MG engine (they switched to the 1300cc Triumph Spitfire engine
after that). It had roll-up windows, a real folding top, and a door handle.
I also had the knock-off wheels. The price I paid new, which was a lot lower
than list, was $2365 in '67.

I raced it in low-key SCCA club racing and hillclimbed it at Traverse City,


Where it heck did you hill climb it up here in TC? I know that it's
a lot more developed, now - but not that many good hills.

MI, and Giant's Despair, PA. I also raced it on the ice at Rose Lake, MI.
And I drove it back and forth between NJ and MI for a few years when I was
in college.

I think I had more fun with it than any other car I've owned. And it was
very reliable. One morning when it was 15 below, near Boyne Highlands, MI,
it was the only car in the lot that would start (I had a Sears DieHard
battery in it that was wider, and almost as long, as the engine. g) It was
funny to jump-start Cadillacs and pickup trucks all morning. d8-)

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I had a 1275cc (1967) and got better mileage than that. The main reason
was
that I swapped out the standard 4.22 rear end for the optional 3.727.
Then I
had another one for hillclimbs -- maybe 5.11? I forget.

Anyway, I could do 75 on the highway without overrevving, with the
3.727,
and I got about 34 mpg at 65.


I don't know what rear end was in mine. Did you have the deluxe model
with
a gas gauge, roll up windows, and an outside door handle? Mine was
pretty
much the base ragtop with no extras. I still have the old title and it
shows a
list price of $1395. I bought it used in Jun '67 for $250.
Art


Yeah, I had the Mk III, same as the Mk IV AH Sprite, and which was the
last
one with an MG engine (they switched to the 1300cc Triumph Spitfire engine
after that). It had roll-up windows, a real folding top, and a door
handle.
I also had the knock-off wheels. The price I paid new, which was a lot
lower
than list, was $2365 in '67.

I raced it in low-key SCCA club racing and hillclimbed it at Traverse
City,


Where it heck did you hill climb it up here in TC? I know that it's
a lot more developed, now - but not that many good hills.


I took a look on Google and couldn't find a thing about it. Amazing. Anyway,
I called some sports car shop in the area and talked to an old guy who
remembers it, and another young one in another shop who's heard about it;
the first thinks it actually was in Empire, and the second thinks it was on
Holiday Hill Road. I just flat-out don't remember. It was not exactly a big
hill, unlike Giant's Despair.

The older guy is going to get me in touch with one of the people who drove
in it. We're talking about 1968 here. I hope the old guy can hear me OK. g



MI, and Giant's Despair, PA. I also raced it on the ice at Rose Lake, MI.
And I drove it back and forth between NJ and MI for a few years when I was
in college.

I think I had more fun with it than any other car I've owned. And it was
very reliable. One morning when it was 15 below, near Boyne Highlands, MI,
it was the only car in the lot that would start (I had a Sears DieHard
battery in it that was wider, and almost as long, as the engine. g) It
was
funny to jump-start Cadillacs and pickup trucks all morning. d8-)



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I took a look on Google and couldn't find a thing about it. Amazing. Anyway,
I called some sports car shop in the area and talked to an old guy who
remembers it, and another young one in another shop who's heard about it;
the first thinks it actually was in Empire, and the second thinks it was on
Holiday Hill Road. I just flat-out don't remember. It was not exactly a big
hill, unlike Giant's Despair.


Holiday Hill Road, iirc, winds up to a possibly defunct ski operation. It was the end
point for the Ice Man MTB race when I was in good enough shape to do it a number of years
ago. Entered twice, finished once. (we had snow that year!)

No comment on Empire, since I really don't recall the topology.

Wes
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government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
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Food prices declined? Where are you shopping? Yukon Gold potatoes used
to be 2.99 for 5#
before the mid west floods one or two years ago, since then, stuck at 3.99
for 5#.

Marie Calendar, Boston Market, Hungry Man tv dinners up 10 to 20 percent
in the last year.


Before the floods? Are we talking here about THE Flood, with Noah and all
that stuff? g


Nah, there were some major flooding a couple years ago that hurt the potato crop.

Jeez, Wes. You're giving us anecdotes about potatoes and TV dinners in one
town in northern Michigan when we were talking about national averages.

Maybe what the country really needs is a Hungry Man Prices in Northern
Michigan Index, to guide our economy...


Well, the Joe Six pack index would be handy. Maybe even the Joe Camel six pack index for
those that smoke (I don't)

I complained about the shortage to ConAgra, they sent a free coupon for a dinner. I'll
just wait for new "larger portions" before I buy from them again.

Wes
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government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
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Food prices declined? Where are you shopping? Yukon Gold potatoes used
to be 2.99 for 5#
before the mid west floods one or two years ago, since then, stuck at
3.99
for 5#.

Marie Calendar, Boston Market, Hungry Man tv dinners up 10 to 20 percent
in the last year.


Before the floods? Are we talking here about THE Flood, with Noah and all
that stuff? g


Nah, there were some major flooding a couple years ago that hurt the
potato crop.

Jeez, Wes. You're giving us anecdotes about potatoes and TV dinners in one
town in northern Michigan when we were talking about national averages.

Maybe what the country really needs is a Hungry Man Prices in Northern
Michigan Index, to guide our economy...


BTW, Yukon Gold Potatoes are on sale for $2.99/pound at Shop Rite in Edison,
NJ. I could ship some to you. d8-)


Well, the Joe Six pack index would be handy. Maybe even the Joe Camel six
pack index for
those that smoke (I don't)


There are dozens of CPI calculations. Just pick the one you like. Here are
the basic, most popular ones. CPI-U is the one they usually quote in the
newscasts. BTW, the CPI-W (includes Urban Wage Earners and Clerical Workers)
is the one that's used to calculate COLAs for Social Security and VA
benefits. I think it runs Oct. through the following Sept. --

http://www.bls.gov/CPI/


I complained about the shortage to ConAgra, they sent a free coupon for a
dinner. I'll
just wait for new "larger portions" before I buy from them again.


Squeeky Wheel Syndrome. My wife is good at that.

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Maybe what the country really needs is a Hungry Man Prices in Northern
Michigan Index, to guide our economy...


BTW, Yukon Gold Potatoes are on sale for $2.99/pound at Shop Rite in Edison,
NJ. I could ship some to you. d8-)


Can I get Enco free shipping?


Well, the Joe Six pack index would be handy. Maybe even the Joe Camel six
pack index for
those that smoke (I don't)


There are dozens of CPI calculations. Just pick the one you like. Here are
the basic, most popular ones. CPI-U is the one they usually quote in the
newscasts. BTW, the CPI-W (includes Urban Wage Earners and Clerical Workers)
is the one that's used to calculate COLAs for Social Security and VA
benefits. I think it runs Oct. through the following Sept. --

http://www.bls.gov/CPI/


I'll give it a look in depth tomorrow. Notice a lot are urban numbers. Joe Six pack
lives out in the rural areas.


I complained about the shortage to ConAgra, they sent a free coupon for a
dinner. I'll
just wait for new "larger portions" before I buy from them again.


Squeeky Wheel Syndrome. My wife is good at that.


I had a drywall square that wasn't. Brother's wife took it to the store I bought it from
years ago and got a replacement. If my brother ever expands to more than a one man
operation, she is a candidate for working in Accounts Payable.

Wes
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in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller
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I complained about the shortage to ConAgra, they sent a free coupon for a
dinner. I'll
just wait for new "larger portions" before I buy from them again.


Squeeky Wheel Syndrome. My wife is good at that.


Trouble is, it seems to be their only response. My wife likes a
certain brand of flavored coffee creamer; a while ago they changed the
bottle to a stupid shape that fits poorly in the fridge, with a cap
that is less than functional. Somebody's idea of an "artistic"
approach, no doubt. She complained that the packaging was making the
product tough to use, and she got a coupon for - guess what. Still a
PITA, regardless of price. But it beats having to think through to
arrive at a solution.

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I complained about the shortage to ConAgra, they sent a free coupon for
a
dinner. I'll
just wait for new "larger portions" before I buy from them again.


Squeeky Wheel Syndrome. My wife is good at that.


Trouble is, it seems to be their only response. My wife likes a
certain brand of flavored coffee creamer; a while ago they changed the
bottle to a stupid shape that fits poorly in the fridge, with a cap
that is less than functional. Somebody's idea of an "artistic"
approach, no doubt. She complained that the packaging was making the
product tough to use, and she got a coupon for - guess what. Still a
PITA, regardless of price. But it beats having to think through to
arrive at a solution.

Joe


Packaging can be annoying. I'm currently ranting about Costco's "cube"
one-gallon milk bottle, which apparently saves shipping cost but which
dribbles like crazy. For a month or so they put an extra lip on the inside
of the spout, which stopped the dribble. But then they dropped it again. So
I complained. They said they were "sorry." If my wife had handled it, they
would have sent her a cow. g

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I complained about the shortage to ConAgra, they sent a free coupon for
a
dinner. I'll
just wait for new "larger portions" before I buy from them again.


Squeeky Wheel Syndrome. My wife is good at that.


Trouble is, it seems to be their only response. My wife likes a
certain brand of flavored coffee creamer; a while ago they changed the
bottle to a stupid shape that fits poorly in the fridge, with a cap
that is less than functional. Somebody's idea of an "artistic"
approach, no doubt. She complained that the packaging was making the
product tough to use, and she got a coupon for - guess what. Still a
PITA, regardless of price. But it beats having to think through to
arrive at a solution.

Joe


I live in Mormon country. They either don't sell Amaretto creamer, or have
it in the prohibitively expensive smaller containers, but WILL NOT stock the
larger ones. Even though it is non-alcoholic, it tastes similar enough to
the liquor to break the purity of anyone who drinks it. Supposedly.

Steve


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I had a 1275cc (1967) and got better mileage than that. The main reason
was
that I swapped out the standard 4.22 rear end for the optional 3.727.
Then I
had another one for hillclimbs -- maybe 5.11? I forget.

Anyway, I could do 75 on the highway without overrevving, with the
3.727,
and I got about 34 mpg at 65.


I don't know what rear end was in mine. Did you have the deluxe model
with
a gas gauge, roll up windows, and an outside door handle? Mine was
pretty
much the base ragtop with no extras. I still have the old title and it
shows a
list price of $1395. I bought it used in Jun '67 for $250.
Art

Yeah, I had the Mk III, same as the Mk IV AH Sprite, and which was the
last
one with an MG engine (they switched to the 1300cc Triumph Spitfire engine
after that). It had roll-up windows, a real folding top, and a door
handle.
I also had the knock-off wheels. The price I paid new, which was a lot
lower
than list, was $2365 in '67.

I raced it in low-key SCCA club racing and hillclimbed it at Traverse
City,


Where it heck did you hill climb it up here in TC? I know that it's
a lot more developed, now - but not that many good hills.


I took a look on Google and couldn't find a thing about it. Amazing. Anyway,
I called some sports car shop in the area and talked to an old guy who
remembers it, and another young one in another shop who's heard about it;
the first thinks it actually was in Empire, and the second thinks it was on
Holiday Hill Road. I just flat-out don't remember. It was not exactly a big
hill, unlike Giant's Despair.

The older guy is going to get me in touch with one of the people who drove
in it. We're talking about 1968 here. I hope the old guy can hear me OK. g


Well, I live at just off the top of Holiday Road. It might have been
here, since all the subdivisions have been built up since then.
It was a country road back then, which is why it is crumbling terribly
with the new levels of traffic. Do you remember a ski hill? It
probably was developed after '68, but is right about where the road
levels out for a bit. Would have been like a big bowl that you didn't
want to slide off in to. Just about a mile from 5 Mile corner, which
would be a good length for a hill climb.

Hope the old guys remember - it would be neat to know since I live up
here now.

Karl


MI, and Giant's Despair, PA. I also raced it on the ice at Rose Lake, MI.
And I drove it back and forth between NJ and MI for a few years when I was
in college.

I think I had more fun with it than any other car I've owned. And it was
very reliable. One morning when it was 15 below, near Boyne Highlands, MI,
it was the only car in the lot that would start (I had a Sears DieHard
battery in it that was wider, and almost as long, as the engine. g) It
was
funny to jump-start Cadillacs and pickup trucks all morning. d8-)


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I had a 1275cc (1967) and got better mileage than that. The main
reason
was
that I swapped out the standard 4.22 rear end for the optional 3.727.
Then I
had another one for hillclimbs -- maybe 5.11? I forget.

Anyway, I could do 75 on the highway without overrevving, with the
3.727,
and I got about 34 mpg at 65.


I don't know what rear end was in mine. Did you have the deluxe model
with
a gas gauge, roll up windows, and an outside door handle? Mine was
pretty
much the base ragtop with no extras. I still have the old title and
it
shows a
list price of $1395. I bought it used in Jun '67 for $250.
Art

Yeah, I had the Mk III, same as the Mk IV AH Sprite, and which was the
last
one with an MG engine (they switched to the 1300cc Triumph Spitfire
engine
after that). It had roll-up windows, a real folding top, and a door
handle.
I also had the knock-off wheels. The price I paid new, which was a lot
lower
than list, was $2365 in '67.

I raced it in low-key SCCA club racing and hillclimbed it at Traverse
City,

Where it heck did you hill climb it up here in TC? I know that it's
a lot more developed, now - but not that many good hills.


I took a look on Google and couldn't find a thing about it. Amazing.
Anyway,
I called some sports car shop in the area and talked to an old guy who
remembers it, and another young one in another shop who's heard about it;
the first thinks it actually was in Empire, and the second thinks it was
on
Holiday Hill Road. I just flat-out don't remember. It was not exactly a
big
hill, unlike Giant's Despair.

The older guy is going to get me in touch with one of the people who drove
in it. We're talking about 1968 here. I hope the old guy can hear me OK.
g


Well, I live at just off the top of Holiday Road. It might have been
here, since all the subdivisions have been built up since then.
It was a country road back then, which is why it is crumbling terribly
with the new levels of traffic. Do you remember a ski hill?


No, I don't. I've talked to two guys over the past two days who are about my
age and who drove in the event. They both say it was actually in Empire, but
one says it was called the Traverse City Hillclimb for a few years because
it was a Traverse City club that sponsored the event.

Anyway, as one described it, it came back to me. The top of the hill ended
at a military radar station. He described the road as the "old south hill
road". He's a commercial photographer and says he has some photos of the
event that he shot in '74.

It's vague in my mind because I followed someone else there, and probably
because I was exhausted from having spent the previous day and night trying
to get the carburetor jetting right for my new Racer Brown 3/4 cam. (I never
got it right until a couple of weeks later. It was very frustrating.)

It
probably was developed after '68, but is right about where the road
levels out for a bit. Would have been like a big bowl that you didn't
want to slide off in to. Just about a mile from 5 Mile corner, which
would be a good length for a hill climb.

Hope the old guys remember - it would be neat to know since I live up
here now.


From what they told me, it continued into the '80s, at which point the cars
got too fast and the road got too torn up. One guy in a Formula Atlantic
spun and hit a tree going backwards, and almost died. That was the last
race.

I can hardly imagine driving an FA on a public road. It's got to be
ridiculously dangerous.

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I took a look on Google and couldn't find a thing about it. Amazing. Anyway,
I called some sports car shop in the area and talked to an old guy who
remembers it, and another young one in another shop who's heard about it;
the first thinks it actually was in Empire, and the second thinks it was on
Holiday Hill Road. I just flat-out don't remember. It was not exactly a big
hill, unlike Giant's Despair.


Holiday Hill Road, iirc, winds up to a possibly defunct ski operation. It was the end
point for the Ice Man MTB race when I was in good enough shape to do it a number of years
ago. Entered twice, finished once. (we had snow that year!)

Mount Holiday was down for a couple years after the owner was killed
running a tractor on the slope. A local group took it over as a
non-profit and is doing great with it again. We (in the neighborhood)
all contribute and it is great to see the kids walk by with their
snowboards and skis in the evening.

Congrats on finishing the IceMan. It finishes at Timber Ridge
(formerly Jellystone Park) now and last year was the largest in the
nation with 4400 entries (someone said there was a glitch the
included an extra 1500). I signed up two years ago, but sudden heart
problems kept me from competing. Improved intelligence keeps me from
doing so now.

I live 6 houses above the ski hill now.

No comment on Empire, since I really don't recall the topology.

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Maybe what the country really needs is a Hungry Man Prices in Northern
Michigan Index, to guide our economy...


BTW, Yukon Gold Potatoes are on sale for $2.99/pound at Shop Rite in
Edison,
NJ. I could ship some to you. d8-)


Can I get Enco free shipping?


Do you know the magic number?



Well, the Joe Six pack index would be handy. Maybe even the Joe Camel
six
pack index for
those that smoke (I don't)


There are dozens of CPI calculations. Just pick the one you like. Here are
the basic, most popular ones. CPI-U is the one they usually quote in the
newscasts. BTW, the CPI-W (includes Urban Wage Earners and Clerical
Workers)
is the one that's used to calculate COLAs for Social Security and VA
benefits. I think it runs Oct. through the following Sept. --

http://www.bls.gov/CPI/


I'll give it a look in depth tomorrow. Notice a lot are urban numbers.
Joe Six pack
lives out in the rural areas.


It's all urban numbers. The basic CPI-U covers 87% of the US population.
Non-metropolitan, non-farm numbers track the CPI pretty well; there is no
significant, cumulative separation between those costs and urban costs.

In other words, the prices may be different, but the relationship between
them is pretty stable. So an index number that measures trends, such as CPI,
reflects the whole pattern across the country, over time. It may lag or lead
one region or another by a quarter or so but prices don't spread apart or
close up in the longer run.



I complained about the shortage to ConAgra, they sent a free coupon for
a
dinner. I'll
just wait for new "larger portions" before I buy from them again.


Squeeky Wheel Syndrome. My wife is good at that.


I had a drywall square that wasn't. Brother's wife took it to the store I
bought it from
years ago and got a replacement. If my brother ever expands to more than
a one man
operation, she is a candidate for working in Accounts Payable.

Wes
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government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
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I took a look on Google and couldn't find a thing about it. Amazing.
Anyway,
I called some sports car shop in the area and talked to an old guy who
remembers it, and another young one in another shop who's heard about it;
the first thinks it actually was in Empire, and the second thinks it was
on
Holiday Hill Road. I just flat-out don't remember. It was not exactly a
big
hill, unlike Giant's Despair.


Holiday Hill Road, iirc, winds up to a possibly defunct ski operation. It
was the end
point for the Ice Man MTB race when I was in good enough shape to do it a
number of years
ago. Entered twice, finished once. (we had snow that year!)

No comment on Empire, since I really don't recall the topology.

Wes


If you noticed my other post, the old timers say it was Empire. But there's
still something I'm not sure about: Why was it called the Traverse City
Hillclimb? I'm sure it was. One guy said it was because a Traverse City club
sponsored it in the early years. And he described the course, which sounds
vaguely familiar -- although still vague. These guys started around 1970; I
drove in the '68 event.

I still have a source or two to check out.

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On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 17:56:46 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
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No, I don't. I've talked to two guys over the past two days who are about my
age and who drove in the event. They both say it was actually in Empire, but
one says it was called the Traverse City Hillclimb for a few years because
it was a Traverse City club that sponsored the event.


WAG, maybe it was Pierce Stocking Scenic Drive? See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierce_...g_Scenic_Drive

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