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On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:00:35 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote: Or someone willing to work for 20c an hour? In 1949, I decided that if I ever got a job paying $1.00 per hour, I would be a rich man! Gerry :-)} London, Canada |
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On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:50:34 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: "Ignoramus7752" wrote in message news On 2010-01-29, Northe wrote: 7. What is the cheapest price you can remember for gas? The cheapest that I ever paid was $0.29 9/10. I'm not sure whether there was a gas war going on at the time or not. 94 cents a gallon around 1995 $0.259 Dec., 1968, Grand Ledge, MI. Yes, there was a gas war. And my tank (MG Midget) held 7.2 gallons US. I paid by credit card. g 1965 - working at Mobil Oil field research station in Dallas. They had a pump on site for employees that was alway $0.20 / gal. Never got used - we could always find cheaper in town. Hamburger, gas and grapes - nineteen cents a pound or gallon. |
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On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:55:07 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: "Artemus" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... I had a 1275cc (1967) and got better mileage than that. The main reason was that I swapped out the standard 4.22 rear end for the optional 3.727. Then I had another one for hillclimbs -- maybe 5.11? I forget. Anyway, I could do 75 on the highway without overrevving, with the 3.727, and I got about 34 mpg at 65. I don't know what rear end was in mine. Did you have the deluxe model with a gas gauge, roll up windows, and an outside door handle? Mine was pretty much the base ragtop with no extras. I still have the old title and it shows a list price of $1395. I bought it used in Jun '67 for $250. Art Yeah, I had the Mk III, same as the Mk IV AH Sprite, and which was the last one with an MG engine (they switched to the 1300cc Triumph Spitfire engine after that). It had roll-up windows, a real folding top, and a door handle. I also had the knock-off wheels. The price I paid new, which was a lot lower than list, was $2365 in '67. I raced it in low-key SCCA club racing and hillclimbed it at Traverse City, Where it heck did you hill climb it up here in TC? I know that it's a lot more developed, now - but not that many good hills. MI, and Giant's Despair, PA. I also raced it on the ice at Rose Lake, MI. And I drove it back and forth between NJ and MI for a few years when I was in college. I think I had more fun with it than any other car I've owned. And it was very reliable. One morning when it was 15 below, near Boyne Highlands, MI, it was the only car in the lot that would start (I had a Sears DieHard battery in it that was wider, and almost as long, as the engine. g) It was funny to jump-start Cadillacs and pickup trucks all morning. d8-) |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:55:07 -0500, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "Artemus" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... I had a 1275cc (1967) and got better mileage than that. The main reason was that I swapped out the standard 4.22 rear end for the optional 3.727. Then I had another one for hillclimbs -- maybe 5.11? I forget. Anyway, I could do 75 on the highway without overrevving, with the 3.727, and I got about 34 mpg at 65. I don't know what rear end was in mine. Did you have the deluxe model with a gas gauge, roll up windows, and an outside door handle? Mine was pretty much the base ragtop with no extras. I still have the old title and it shows a list price of $1395. I bought it used in Jun '67 for $250. Art Yeah, I had the Mk III, same as the Mk IV AH Sprite, and which was the last one with an MG engine (they switched to the 1300cc Triumph Spitfire engine after that). It had roll-up windows, a real folding top, and a door handle. I also had the knock-off wheels. The price I paid new, which was a lot lower than list, was $2365 in '67. I raced it in low-key SCCA club racing and hillclimbed it at Traverse City, Where it heck did you hill climb it up here in TC? I know that it's a lot more developed, now - but not that many good hills. I took a look on Google and couldn't find a thing about it. Amazing. Anyway, I called some sports car shop in the area and talked to an old guy who remembers it, and another young one in another shop who's heard about it; the first thinks it actually was in Empire, and the second thinks it was on Holiday Hill Road. I just flat-out don't remember. It was not exactly a big hill, unlike Giant's Despair. The older guy is going to get me in touch with one of the people who drove in it. We're talking about 1968 here. I hope the old guy can hear me OK. g MI, and Giant's Despair, PA. I also raced it on the ice at Rose Lake, MI. And I drove it back and forth between NJ and MI for a few years when I was in college. I think I had more fun with it than any other car I've owned. And it was very reliable. One morning when it was 15 below, near Boyne Highlands, MI, it was the only car in the lot that would start (I had a Sears DieHard battery in it that was wider, and almost as long, as the engine. g) It was funny to jump-start Cadillacs and pickup trucks all morning. d8-) |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote:
I took a look on Google and couldn't find a thing about it. Amazing. Anyway, I called some sports car shop in the area and talked to an old guy who remembers it, and another young one in another shop who's heard about it; the first thinks it actually was in Empire, and the second thinks it was on Holiday Hill Road. I just flat-out don't remember. It was not exactly a big hill, unlike Giant's Despair. Holiday Hill Road, iirc, winds up to a possibly defunct ski operation. It was the end point for the Ice Man MTB race when I was in good enough shape to do it a number of years ago. Entered twice, finished once. (we had snow that year!) No comment on Empire, since I really don't recall the topology. Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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Food prices declined? Where are you shopping? Yukon Gold potatoes used to be 2.99 for 5# before the mid west floods one or two years ago, since then, stuck at 3.99 for 5#. Marie Calendar, Boston Market, Hungry Man tv dinners up 10 to 20 percent in the last year. Before the floods? Are we talking here about THE Flood, with Noah and all that stuff? g Nah, there were some major flooding a couple years ago that hurt the potato crop. Jeez, Wes. You're giving us anecdotes about potatoes and TV dinners in one town in northern Michigan when we were talking about national averages. Maybe what the country really needs is a Hungry Man Prices in Northern Michigan Index, to guide our economy... Well, the Joe Six pack index would be handy. Maybe even the Joe Camel six pack index for those that smoke (I don't) I complained about the shortage to ConAgra, they sent a free coupon for a dinner. I'll just wait for new "larger portions" before I buy from them again. Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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"Wes" wrote in message news "Ed Huntress" wrote: Food prices declined? Where are you shopping? Yukon Gold potatoes used to be 2.99 for 5# before the mid west floods one or two years ago, since then, stuck at 3.99 for 5#. Marie Calendar, Boston Market, Hungry Man tv dinners up 10 to 20 percent in the last year. Before the floods? Are we talking here about THE Flood, with Noah and all that stuff? g Nah, there were some major flooding a couple years ago that hurt the potato crop. Jeez, Wes. You're giving us anecdotes about potatoes and TV dinners in one town in northern Michigan when we were talking about national averages. Maybe what the country really needs is a Hungry Man Prices in Northern Michigan Index, to guide our economy... BTW, Yukon Gold Potatoes are on sale for $2.99/pound at Shop Rite in Edison, NJ. I could ship some to you. d8-) Well, the Joe Six pack index would be handy. Maybe even the Joe Camel six pack index for those that smoke (I don't) There are dozens of CPI calculations. Just pick the one you like. Here are the basic, most popular ones. CPI-U is the one they usually quote in the newscasts. BTW, the CPI-W (includes Urban Wage Earners and Clerical Workers) is the one that's used to calculate COLAs for Social Security and VA benefits. I think it runs Oct. through the following Sept. -- http://www.bls.gov/CPI/ I complained about the shortage to ConAgra, they sent a free coupon for a dinner. I'll just wait for new "larger portions" before I buy from them again. Squeeky Wheel Syndrome. My wife is good at that. -- Ed Huntress |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote:
Maybe what the country really needs is a Hungry Man Prices in Northern Michigan Index, to guide our economy... BTW, Yukon Gold Potatoes are on sale for $2.99/pound at Shop Rite in Edison, NJ. I could ship some to you. d8-) Can I get Enco free shipping? Well, the Joe Six pack index would be handy. Maybe even the Joe Camel six pack index for those that smoke (I don't) There are dozens of CPI calculations. Just pick the one you like. Here are the basic, most popular ones. CPI-U is the one they usually quote in the newscasts. BTW, the CPI-W (includes Urban Wage Earners and Clerical Workers) is the one that's used to calculate COLAs for Social Security and VA benefits. I think it runs Oct. through the following Sept. -- http://www.bls.gov/CPI/ I'll give it a look in depth tomorrow. Notice a lot are urban numbers. Joe Six pack lives out in the rural areas. I complained about the shortage to ConAgra, they sent a free coupon for a dinner. I'll just wait for new "larger portions" before I buy from them again. Squeeky Wheel Syndrome. My wife is good at that. I had a drywall square that wasn't. Brother's wife took it to the store I bought it from years ago and got a replacement. If my brother ever expands to more than a one man operation, she is a candidate for working in Accounts Payable. Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 18:01:45 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: "Wes" wrote in message news "Ed Huntress" wrote: [snip] I complained about the shortage to ConAgra, they sent a free coupon for a dinner. I'll just wait for new "larger portions" before I buy from them again. Squeeky Wheel Syndrome. My wife is good at that. Trouble is, it seems to be their only response. My wife likes a certain brand of flavored coffee creamer; a while ago they changed the bottle to a stupid shape that fits poorly in the fridge, with a cap that is less than functional. Somebody's idea of an "artistic" approach, no doubt. She complained that the packaging was making the product tough to use, and she got a coupon for - guess what. Still a PITA, regardless of price. But it beats having to think through to arrive at a solution. Joe |
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"Joe" wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 18:01:45 -0500, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "Wes" wrote in message news "Ed Huntress" wrote: [snip] I complained about the shortage to ConAgra, they sent a free coupon for a dinner. I'll just wait for new "larger portions" before I buy from them again. Squeeky Wheel Syndrome. My wife is good at that. Trouble is, it seems to be their only response. My wife likes a certain brand of flavored coffee creamer; a while ago they changed the bottle to a stupid shape that fits poorly in the fridge, with a cap that is less than functional. Somebody's idea of an "artistic" approach, no doubt. She complained that the packaging was making the product tough to use, and she got a coupon for - guess what. Still a PITA, regardless of price. But it beats having to think through to arrive at a solution. Joe Packaging can be annoying. I'm currently ranting about Costco's "cube" one-gallon milk bottle, which apparently saves shipping cost but which dribbles like crazy. For a month or so they put an extra lip on the inside of the spout, which stopped the dribble. But then they dropped it again. So I complained. They said they were "sorry." If my wife had handled it, they would have sent her a cow. g -- Ed Huntress |
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"Joe" wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 18:01:45 -0500, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "Wes" wrote in message news "Ed Huntress" wrote: [snip] I complained about the shortage to ConAgra, they sent a free coupon for a dinner. I'll just wait for new "larger portions" before I buy from them again. Squeeky Wheel Syndrome. My wife is good at that. Trouble is, it seems to be their only response. My wife likes a certain brand of flavored coffee creamer; a while ago they changed the bottle to a stupid shape that fits poorly in the fridge, with a cap that is less than functional. Somebody's idea of an "artistic" approach, no doubt. She complained that the packaging was making the product tough to use, and she got a coupon for - guess what. Still a PITA, regardless of price. But it beats having to think through to arrive at a solution. Joe I live in Mormon country. They either don't sell Amaretto creamer, or have it in the prohibitively expensive smaller containers, but WILL NOT stock the larger ones. Even though it is non-alcoholic, it tastes similar enough to the liquor to break the purity of anyone who drinks it. Supposedly. Steve |
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On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 16:57:18 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:55:07 -0500, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "Artemus" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... I had a 1275cc (1967) and got better mileage than that. The main reason was that I swapped out the standard 4.22 rear end for the optional 3.727. Then I had another one for hillclimbs -- maybe 5.11? I forget. Anyway, I could do 75 on the highway without overrevving, with the 3.727, and I got about 34 mpg at 65. I don't know what rear end was in mine. Did you have the deluxe model with a gas gauge, roll up windows, and an outside door handle? Mine was pretty much the base ragtop with no extras. I still have the old title and it shows a list price of $1395. I bought it used in Jun '67 for $250. Art Yeah, I had the Mk III, same as the Mk IV AH Sprite, and which was the last one with an MG engine (they switched to the 1300cc Triumph Spitfire engine after that). It had roll-up windows, a real folding top, and a door handle. I also had the knock-off wheels. The price I paid new, which was a lot lower than list, was $2365 in '67. I raced it in low-key SCCA club racing and hillclimbed it at Traverse City, Where it heck did you hill climb it up here in TC? I know that it's a lot more developed, now - but not that many good hills. I took a look on Google and couldn't find a thing about it. Amazing. Anyway, I called some sports car shop in the area and talked to an old guy who remembers it, and another young one in another shop who's heard about it; the first thinks it actually was in Empire, and the second thinks it was on Holiday Hill Road. I just flat-out don't remember. It was not exactly a big hill, unlike Giant's Despair. The older guy is going to get me in touch with one of the people who drove in it. We're talking about 1968 here. I hope the old guy can hear me OK. g Well, I live at just off the top of Holiday Road. It might have been here, since all the subdivisions have been built up since then. It was a country road back then, which is why it is crumbling terribly with the new levels of traffic. Do you remember a ski hill? It probably was developed after '68, but is right about where the road levels out for a bit. Would have been like a big bowl that you didn't want to slide off in to. Just about a mile from 5 Mile corner, which would be a good length for a hill climb. Hope the old guys remember - it would be neat to know since I live up here now. Karl MI, and Giant's Despair, PA. I also raced it on the ice at Rose Lake, MI. And I drove it back and forth between NJ and MI for a few years when I was in college. I think I had more fun with it than any other car I've owned. And it was very reliable. One morning when it was 15 below, near Boyne Highlands, MI, it was the only car in the lot that would start (I had a Sears DieHard battery in it that was wider, and almost as long, as the engine. g) It was funny to jump-start Cadillacs and pickup trucks all morning. d8-) |
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wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 16:57:18 -0500, "Ed Huntress" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:55:07 -0500, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "Artemus" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... I had a 1275cc (1967) and got better mileage than that. The main reason was that I swapped out the standard 4.22 rear end for the optional 3.727. Then I had another one for hillclimbs -- maybe 5.11? I forget. Anyway, I could do 75 on the highway without overrevving, with the 3.727, and I got about 34 mpg at 65. I don't know what rear end was in mine. Did you have the deluxe model with a gas gauge, roll up windows, and an outside door handle? Mine was pretty much the base ragtop with no extras. I still have the old title and it shows a list price of $1395. I bought it used in Jun '67 for $250. Art Yeah, I had the Mk III, same as the Mk IV AH Sprite, and which was the last one with an MG engine (they switched to the 1300cc Triumph Spitfire engine after that). It had roll-up windows, a real folding top, and a door handle. I also had the knock-off wheels. The price I paid new, which was a lot lower than list, was $2365 in '67. I raced it in low-key SCCA club racing and hillclimbed it at Traverse City, Where it heck did you hill climb it up here in TC? I know that it's a lot more developed, now - but not that many good hills. I took a look on Google and couldn't find a thing about it. Amazing. Anyway, I called some sports car shop in the area and talked to an old guy who remembers it, and another young one in another shop who's heard about it; the first thinks it actually was in Empire, and the second thinks it was on Holiday Hill Road. I just flat-out don't remember. It was not exactly a big hill, unlike Giant's Despair. The older guy is going to get me in touch with one of the people who drove in it. We're talking about 1968 here. I hope the old guy can hear me OK. g Well, I live at just off the top of Holiday Road. It might have been here, since all the subdivisions have been built up since then. It was a country road back then, which is why it is crumbling terribly with the new levels of traffic. Do you remember a ski hill? No, I don't. I've talked to two guys over the past two days who are about my age and who drove in the event. They both say it was actually in Empire, but one says it was called the Traverse City Hillclimb for a few years because it was a Traverse City club that sponsored the event. Anyway, as one described it, it came back to me. The top of the hill ended at a military radar station. He described the road as the "old south hill road". He's a commercial photographer and says he has some photos of the event that he shot in '74. It's vague in my mind because I followed someone else there, and probably because I was exhausted from having spent the previous day and night trying to get the carburetor jetting right for my new Racer Brown 3/4 cam. (I never got it right until a couple of weeks later. It was very frustrating.) It probably was developed after '68, but is right about where the road levels out for a bit. Would have been like a big bowl that you didn't want to slide off in to. Just about a mile from 5 Mile corner, which would be a good length for a hill climb. Hope the old guys remember - it would be neat to know since I live up here now. From what they told me, it continued into the '80s, at which point the cars got too fast and the road got too torn up. One guy in a Formula Atlantic spun and hit a tree going backwards, and almost died. That was the last race. I can hardly imagine driving an FA on a public road. It's got to be ridiculously dangerous. -- Ed Huntress |
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On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 17:40:19 -0500, Wes wrote:
"Ed Huntress" wrote: I took a look on Google and couldn't find a thing about it. Amazing. Anyway, I called some sports car shop in the area and talked to an old guy who remembers it, and another young one in another shop who's heard about it; the first thinks it actually was in Empire, and the second thinks it was on Holiday Hill Road. I just flat-out don't remember. It was not exactly a big hill, unlike Giant's Despair. Holiday Hill Road, iirc, winds up to a possibly defunct ski operation. It was the end point for the Ice Man MTB race when I was in good enough shape to do it a number of years ago. Entered twice, finished once. (we had snow that year!) Mount Holiday was down for a couple years after the owner was killed running a tractor on the slope. A local group took it over as a non-profit and is doing great with it again. We (in the neighborhood) all contribute and it is great to see the kids walk by with their snowboards and skis in the evening. Congrats on finishing the IceMan. It finishes at Timber Ridge (formerly Jellystone Park) now and last year was the largest in the nation with 4400 entries (someone said there was a glitch the included an extra 1500). I signed up two years ago, but sudden heart problems kept me from competing. Improved intelligence keeps me from doing so now. I live 6 houses above the ski hill now. No comment on Empire, since I really don't recall the topology. Wes |
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"Wes" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote: Maybe what the country really needs is a Hungry Man Prices in Northern Michigan Index, to guide our economy... BTW, Yukon Gold Potatoes are on sale for $2.99/pound at Shop Rite in Edison, NJ. I could ship some to you. d8-) Can I get Enco free shipping? Do you know the magic number? Well, the Joe Six pack index would be handy. Maybe even the Joe Camel six pack index for those that smoke (I don't) There are dozens of CPI calculations. Just pick the one you like. Here are the basic, most popular ones. CPI-U is the one they usually quote in the newscasts. BTW, the CPI-W (includes Urban Wage Earners and Clerical Workers) is the one that's used to calculate COLAs for Social Security and VA benefits. I think it runs Oct. through the following Sept. -- http://www.bls.gov/CPI/ I'll give it a look in depth tomorrow. Notice a lot are urban numbers. Joe Six pack lives out in the rural areas. It's all urban numbers. The basic CPI-U covers 87% of the US population. Non-metropolitan, non-farm numbers track the CPI pretty well; there is no significant, cumulative separation between those costs and urban costs. In other words, the prices may be different, but the relationship between them is pretty stable. So an index number that measures trends, such as CPI, reflects the whole pattern across the country, over time. It may lag or lead one region or another by a quarter or so but prices don't spread apart or close up in the longer run. I complained about the shortage to ConAgra, they sent a free coupon for a dinner. I'll just wait for new "larger portions" before I buy from them again. Squeeky Wheel Syndrome. My wife is good at that. I had a drywall square that wasn't. Brother's wife took it to the store I bought it from years ago and got a replacement. If my brother ever expands to more than a one man operation, she is a candidate for working in Accounts Payable. Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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"Wes" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote: I took a look on Google and couldn't find a thing about it. Amazing. Anyway, I called some sports car shop in the area and talked to an old guy who remembers it, and another young one in another shop who's heard about it; the first thinks it actually was in Empire, and the second thinks it was on Holiday Hill Road. I just flat-out don't remember. It was not exactly a big hill, unlike Giant's Despair. Holiday Hill Road, iirc, winds up to a possibly defunct ski operation. It was the end point for the Ice Man MTB race when I was in good enough shape to do it a number of years ago. Entered twice, finished once. (we had snow that year!) No comment on Empire, since I really don't recall the topology. Wes If you noticed my other post, the old timers say it was Empire. But there's still something I'm not sure about: Why was it called the Traverse City Hillclimb? I'm sure it was. One guy said it was because a Traverse City club sponsored it in the early years. And he described the course, which sounds vaguely familiar -- although still vague. These guys started around 1970; I drove in the '68 event. I still have a source or two to check out. -- Ed Huntress |
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On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 17:56:46 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: big snip No, I don't. I've talked to two guys over the past two days who are about my age and who drove in the event. They both say it was actually in Empire, but one says it was called the Traverse City Hillclimb for a few years because it was a Traverse City club that sponsored the event. WAG, maybe it was Pierce Stocking Scenic Drive? See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierce_...g_Scenic_Drive -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b Remove no.spam for email |
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Stormin Mormon wrote: And, what business is it, of government, to set prices for the market? Yes, they do it all the time. But, I don't belive I've seen it in the Constitution where they are given the authority. What business is it of yours that they want to prevent big companies from putting everyone else out of business, then gouging the customers when there is no other choice? -- Greed is the root of all eBay. |
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