Ignoramus10200 wrote:

Sounds about right. On the other hand, it does not need to run
continuously. In a terrible emergency, I would ration fuel, in a small
emergency, I would just buy more fuel when I run low.

Keeping food cold, water to flush and drink, power to run furnace blower. All those
things can be cycled.

You hook up power to the fridge, wait for the thermostat to kick out, turn off generator.

Pick an interval for powering generator.

Being able to watch tv and other stuff doesn't matter. Light a colemen lantern and read a
book in the mean time.

Okay, charge your laptop, recharge the ups running your dsl router so you can stay
connected between generator starts. Maybe charge the iPhone too.

Power off a bit too long, get your AK out.


Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

Wes wrote:

Ignoramus10200 wrote:

Sounds about right. On the other hand, it does not need to run
continuously. In a terrible emergency, I would ration fuel, in a small
emergency, I would just buy more fuel when I run low.

Keeping food cold, water to flush and drink, power to run furnace blower. All those
things can be cycled.

You hook up power to the fridge, wait for the thermostat to kick out, turn off generator.

Pick an interval for powering generator.

Being able to watch tv and other stuff doesn't matter. Light a colemen lantern and read a
book in the mean time.

Okay, charge your laptop, recharge the ups running your dsl router so you can stay
connected between generator starts. Maybe charge the iPhone too.

Power off a bit too long, get your AK out.

Rationing fuel is ok if you have reason to expect a really long outage,
but for the more normal day or so max it's easier to just run the
generator full time and get on with your life as if there was no outage.

On 2009-11-30, Wes wrote:
Ignoramus10200 wrote:

Sounds about right. On the other hand, it does not need to run
continuously. In a terrible emergency, I would ration fuel, in a small
emergency, I would just buy more fuel when I run low.

Keeping food cold, water to flush and drink, power to run furnace blower. All those
things can be cycled.

You hook up power to the fridge, wait for the thermostat to kick out, turn off generator.

Pick an interval for powering generator.

Being able to watch tv and other stuff doesn't matter. Light a
colemen lantern and read a book in the mean time.

Okay, charge your laptop, recharge the ups running your dsl router so you can stay
connected between generator starts. Maybe charge the iPhone too.

Power off a bit too long, get your AK out.

This is exactly my thinking, except the AK comes out as soon as the
power is out.

As long as I can buy fuel within so many miles, I will just buy fuel,
but if not, I will ration the use of the generator.

I also hope that I can get my neighbors to pay for, and buy, the fuel,
in exchange for a 15 amp line to them.

i

On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:25:11 -0600, "Pete C."
wrote:


Wes wrote:

Ignoramus10200 wrote:

Sounds about right. On the other hand, it does not need to run
continuously. In a terrible emergency, I would ration fuel, in a small
emergency, I would just buy more fuel when I run low.

Keeping food cold, water to flush and drink, power to run furnace blower. All those
things can be cycled.

You hook up power to the fridge, wait for the thermostat to kick out, turn off generator.

Pick an interval for powering generator.

Being able to watch tv and other stuff doesn't matter. Light a colemen lantern and read a
book in the mean time.

Okay, charge your laptop, recharge the ups running your dsl router so you can stay
connected between generator starts. Maybe charge the iPhone too.

Power off a bit too long, get your AK out.

Rationing fuel is ok if you have reason to expect a really long outage,
but for the more normal day or so max it's easier to just run the
generator full time and get on with your life as if there was no outage.


But do you know if its going to come back on in an hour, a day, a week,
a month and so forth? Or is it simply "hope"? G

My power was out Friday night..er..Saturday morning at 2:18 and stayed
out for 10 hours.

First rain of the season did it. As it always does here in the desert.
Transformers etc etc dry out in the summer and the first wet we
get...poof..

It was between 5 and 15 seconds from the time the rain started to Poof!
Took out about a 1/4 mile radius best as I can tell..about a 1/2 mile
"square". I simply fired up a Coleman lantern..put it in the bathroom
for the ol lady..and used two more and worked in my reloading shop for a
few hours before going to bed.

Didnt bother firing up the genny..gas is in short supply at the moment.
Shrug


Gunner

"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
Unknown Usnet Poster

Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls.
Keyton

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on or
about Sun, 29 Nov 2009 22:52:33 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Power off a bit too long, get your AK out.

Rationing fuel is ok if you have reason to expect a really long outage,
but for the more normal day or so max it's easier to just run the
generator full time and get on with your life as if there was no outage.


But do you know if its going to come back on in an hour, a day, a week,
a month and so forth? Or is it simply "hope"? G

My power was out Friday night..er..Saturday morning at 2:18 and stayed
out for 10 hours.

Couple years ago, the power went out at home. A fact I did not
find out until after work - at 1 AM. Was out for four days. Most of
that was no problem, power was on at school and work. And I had a gas
grill on the "patio" so I could cook dinner. (Grilled Lamb chops,
with honey mustard ... yum!"

But finding my way home the first night, in a hall where the
emergency lights had given up hours before - was "fun".

pyotr

-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 01:00:04 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on or
about Sun, 29 Nov 2009 22:52:33 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Power off a bit too long, get your AK out.

Rationing fuel is ok if you have reason to expect a really long outage,
but for the more normal day or so max it's easier to just run the
generator full time and get on with your life as if there was no outage.


But do you know if its going to come back on in an hour, a day, a week,
a month and so forth? Or is it simply "hope"? G

My power was out Friday night..er..Saturday morning at 2:18 and stayed
out for 10 hours.

Couple years ago, the power went out at home. A fact I did not
find out until after work - at 1 AM. Was out for four days. Most of
that was no problem, power was on at school and work. And I had a gas
grill on the "patio" so I could cook dinner. (Grilled Lamb chops,
with honey mustard ... yum!"

But finding my way home the first night, in a hall where the
emergency lights had given up hours before - was "fun".

pyotr

How well did the fridge do?

Gunner


-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
Unknown Usnet Poster

Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls.
Keyton

Of course, next time you can always say "Well, you didn't
replace the fuel last time, and now I don't have enough fuel
to be able to share power. Sorry. I'm almost out."

Or, you can call them worthless leeches, and tell them to go
figure out their own problem.

I've known two people who had power out, due to a decaying
lead in wire. One was able to run power from a neighbor, the
other was not.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Ignoramus10200" wrote
in message
...



I also hope that I can get my neighbors to pay for, and buy,
the fuel,
in exchange for a 15 amp line to them.

i

On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:58:10 -0600, the infamous Ignoramus10200
scrawled the following:

On 2009-11-30, Wes wrote:
Ignoramus10200 wrote:

Sounds about right. On the other hand, it does not need to run
continuously. In a terrible emergency, I would ration fuel, in a small
emergency, I would just buy more fuel when I run low.

Keeping food cold, water to flush and drink, power to run furnace blower. All those
things can be cycled.

You hook up power to the fridge, wait for the thermostat to kick out, turn off generator.

Pick an interval for powering generator.

Being able to watch tv and other stuff doesn't matter. Light a
colemen lantern and read a book in the mean time.

Okay, charge your laptop, recharge the ups running your dsl router so you can stay
connected between generator starts. Maybe charge the iPhone too.

Power off a bit too long, get your AK out.

This is exactly my thinking, except the AK comes out as soon as the
power is out.

Good idea. It regulates any possible home invasion scenario, too. Do
you have night vision tool to use with it in that eventuality?


As long as I can buy fuel within so many miles, I will just buy fuel,
but if not, I will ration the use of the generator.

What will the gas station attendants think of the AK on the passenger
seat, Ig, _especially_ in IL? BTW, is your garage door opener circuit
in the generator section of the transfer switch?


I also hope that I can get my neighbors to pay for, and buy, the fuel,
in exchange for a 15 amp line to them.

Good luck with that one. They'll be blowing your breakers in no time.
"Well, she just wanted to dry her hair..."

--
Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.

On 2009-11-30, Larry Jaques novalidaddress@di wrote:
What will the gas station attendants think of the AK on the passenger
seat, Ig, _especially_ in IL? BTW, is your garage door opener circuit
in the generator section of the transfer switch?

I want the whole house to be on the generator.

I do not like the idea of little transfer switches, they will not work
for me.

i


I also hope that I can get my neighbors to pay for, and buy, the fuel,
in exchange for a 15 amp line to them.

Good luck with that one. They'll be blowing your breakers in no time.
"Well, she just wanted to dry her hair..."

Gunner Asch wrote:

On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:25:11 -0600, "Pete C."
wrote:


Wes wrote:

Ignoramus10200 wrote:

Sounds about right. On the other hand, it does not need to run
continuously. In a terrible emergency, I would ration fuel, in a small
emergency, I would just buy more fuel when I run low.

Keeping food cold, water to flush and drink, power to run furnace blower. All those
things can be cycled.

You hook up power to the fridge, wait for the thermostat to kick out, turn off generator.

Pick an interval for powering generator.

Being able to watch tv and other stuff doesn't matter. Light a colemen lantern and read a
book in the mean time.

Okay, charge your laptop, recharge the ups running your dsl router so you can stay
connected between generator starts. Maybe charge the iPhone too.

Power off a bit too long, get your AK out.

Rationing fuel is ok if you have reason to expect a really long outage,
but for the more normal day or so max it's easier to just run the
generator full time and get on with your life as if there was no outage.

But do you know if its going to come back on in an hour, a day, a week,
a month and so forth? Or is it simply "hope"? G

My power was out Friday night..er..Saturday morning at 2:18 and stayed
out for 10 hours.

First rain of the season did it. As it always does here in the desert.
Transformers etc etc dry out in the summer and the first wet we
get...poof..

It was between 5 and 15 seconds from the time the rain started to Poof!
Took out about a 1/4 mile radius best as I can tell..about a 1/2 mile
"square". I simply fired up a Coleman lantern..put it in the bathroom
for the ol lady..and used two more and worked in my reloading shop for a
few hours before going to bed.

Didnt bother firing up the genny..gas is in short supply at the moment.
Shrug

The places I have lived have had pretty predictable outages. With no
inclement weather and outage was usually from some idiot hitting a pole
and lasted a couple hours at most. With heavy rain and lightning,
perhaps an 8hr run at most. With a noreaster ice storm snapping stuff
left and right, a few days at most.

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on or
about Mon, 30 Nov 2009 03:46:47 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 01:00:04 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on or
about Sun, 29 Nov 2009 22:52:33 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Power off a bit too long, get your AK out.

Rationing fuel is ok if you have reason to expect a really long outage,
but for the more normal day or so max it's easier to just run the
generator full time and get on with your life as if there was no outage.


But do you know if its going to come back on in an hour, a day, a week,
a month and so forth? Or is it simply "hope"? G

My power was out Friday night..er..Saturday morning at 2:18 and stayed
out for 10 hours.

Couple years ago, the power went out at home. A fact I did not
find out until after work - at 1 AM. Was out for four days. Most of
that was no problem, power was on at school and work. And I had a gas
grill on the "patio" so I could cook dinner. (Grilled Lamb chops,
with honey mustard ... yum!"

But finding my way home the first night, in a hall where the
emergency lights had given up hours before - was "fun".

pyotr

How well did the fridge do?

I left it close. It being winter, it wasn't a "big" problem.

Of course, if the power had stayed off till the weekend, I would
have had to do "something" about the problem.
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

How did you find your way out? We can learn from your
technique.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..



But finding my way home the first night, in a hall where
the
emergency lights had given up hours before - was "fun".

pyotr

On Nov 30, 8:51*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
How did you find your way out? We can learn from your
technique.
Christopher A. Young

But finding my way home the first night, in a hall where
the
emergency lights had given up hours before - was "fun".

pyotr-

If you think the situation is likely, count the number of steps on
stairs and short, deliberate paces down a hall.

On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:30:56 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on or
about Mon, 30 Nov 2009 03:46:47 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 01:00:04 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on or
about Sun, 29 Nov 2009 22:52:33 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Power off a bit too long, get your AK out.

Rationing fuel is ok if you have reason to expect a really long outage,
but for the more normal day or so max it's easier to just run the
generator full time and get on with your life as if there was no outage.


But do you know if its going to come back on in an hour, a day, a week,
a month and so forth? Or is it simply "hope"? G

My power was out Friday night..er..Saturday morning at 2:18 and stayed
out for 10 hours.

Couple years ago, the power went out at home. A fact I did not
find out until after work - at 1 AM. Was out for four days. Most of
that was no problem, power was on at school and work. And I had a gas
grill on the "patio" so I could cook dinner. (Grilled Lamb chops,
with honey mustard ... yum!"

But finding my way home the first night, in a hall where the
emergency lights had given up hours before - was "fun".

pyotr

How well did the fridge do?

I left it close. It being winter, it wasn't a "big" problem.

Of course, if the power had stayed off till the weekend, I would
have had to do "something" about the problem.

Smart man! I wish more of these folks had that much of a grip.

Gunner

-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
Unknown Usnet Poster

Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls.
Keyton

On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:13:16 -0800 (PST), Jim Wilkins
wrote:

On Nov 30, 8:51*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
How did you find your way out? We can learn from your
technique.
Christopher A. Young

But finding my way home the first night, in a hall where
the
emergency lights had given up hours before - was "fun".

pyotr-

If you think the situation is likely, count the number of steps on
stairs and short, deliberate paces down a hall.


Or do what intelligent survivalists do..carry a small
flashlight..usually an LED type.

Gunner

"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
Unknown Usnet Poster

Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls.
Keyton

Let the Record show that "Stormin Mormon"
on or about Mon, 30 Nov 2009
20:51:23 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

But finding my way home the first night, in a hall where
the
emergency lights had given up hours before - was "fun".

pyotr


How did you find your way out? We can learn from your
technique.

Work had lights, that time. Jim had told me that there had been
times when the power had gone out at work, and at night, a factory
turns dark real fast.

So the answer is a mini-mag - or other small light - on the belt.
Mini-mags with the :LED replacement - because there is nothing like
reaching for a flashlight and discovering that the old definition
applies "An aluminum tube for the storing of dead batteries" - at
least with an LED - you can get some light from near dead batteries.
And that is the Word to the Wise. LED flashlights come small enough
to put on your key chain, or otherwise "on you" (Or where you can find
it by feel). I'm not as bad as my buddy, who has five pounds of stuff
on his belt as 'routine.'

Finding my apartment was a matter of using the little light left
in the flashlight to find the door at the far end of the hall, and
backing up two doors. Enough light in the apt to find the candles.
And then find the fresher batteries.

One effect of becoming more religious - lots of candles, lots of
matches.

tschus
pyotr
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on or
about Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:08:09 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:13:16 -0800 (PST), Jim Wilkins
wrote:

On Nov 30, 8:51*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
How did you find your way out? We can learn from your
technique.
Christopher A. Young

But finding my way home the first night, in a hall where
the
emergency lights had given up hours before - was "fun".

pyotr-

If you think the situation is likely, count the number of steps on
stairs and short, deliberate paces down a hall.


Or do what intelligent survivalists do..carry a small
flashlight..usually an LED type.

Beats a zippo.


tschus
pyotr
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

pyotr filipivich wrote:

Beats a zippo.


Lots of light comes out of those cell phone screens.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:35:11 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on or
about Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:08:09 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:13:16 -0800 (PST), Jim Wilkins
wrote:

On Nov 30, 8:51*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
How did you find your way out? We can learn from your
technique.
Christopher A. Young

But finding my way home the first night, in a hall where
the
emergency lights had given up hours before - was "fun".

pyotr-

If you think the situation is likely, count the number of steps on
stairs and short, deliberate paces down a hall.


Or do what intelligent survivalists do..carry a small
flashlight..usually an LED type.

Beats a zippo.

And you can even check the gas tank




tschus
pyotr
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
Unknown Usnet Poster

Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls.
Keyton

That's one very good option. Figure out how far from your
desk. Of course, you get to bump into other workers who are
trying to get out. And, the type writer and filing cabinet
someone left there.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
...

If you think the situation is likely, count the number of
steps on
stairs and short, deliberate paces down a hall.

Yes, that is an excellent way to handle sudden darkness at
work. I really like the squeeze LED lights that fit on a key
ring. After a couple moments, my eyes adjust to the dark,
and they are totally useful. I like your "aluminum tube"
description. The Red Cross lady who spoke at the emergency
prep seminar recently, she advises against candles. Too much
risk of fire. That's why I like the ones in glass jars. Much
safer, I think.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
...

Work had lights, that time. Jim had told me that there had
been
times when the power had gone out at work, and at night, a
factory
turns dark real fast.

So the answer is a mini-mag - or other small light - on the
belt.
Mini-mags with the :LED replacement - because there is
nothing like
reaching for a flashlight and discovering that the old
definition
applies "An aluminum tube for the storing of dead
batteries" - at
least with an LED - you can get some light from near dead
batteries.
And that is the Word to the Wise. LED flashlights come
small enough
to put on your key chain, or otherwise "on you" (Or where
you can find
it by feel). I'm not as bad as my buddy, who has five
pounds of stuff
on his belt as 'routine.'

Finding my apartment was a matter of using the little light
left
in the flashlight to find the door at the far end of the
hall, and
backing up two doors. Enough light in the apt to find the
candles.
And then find the fresher batteries.

One effect of becoming more religious - lots of candles,
lots of
matches.

tschus
pyotr
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Many working people carry a small light, all day. Cause the
equipment is often dark where you need to work.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
...

Or do what intelligent survivalists do..carry a small
flashlight..usually an LED type.

Beats a zippo.


tschus
pyotr
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Friend of mine used to have a cell phone, when she pressed
"clear" button, a LED light on the top lit up. Plenty of
light to get out of a dark building. Said she had to be
careful, sometimes she'd be with other people, and have to
clear a misdialed number, would blind the person next to
her. She said it was great for power cuts when she went to
go check on the girls, see if they were OK.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Wes" wrote in message
...
pyotr filipivich wrote:

Beats a zippo.


Lots of light comes out of those cell phone screens.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to
protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at
home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:35:11 -0800, the infamous pyotr filipivich
scrawled the following:

One effect of becoming more religious - lots of candles, lots of
matches.

Eek, not worth it to me. Pass.

--
Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.

Let the Record show that "Stormin Mormon"
on or about Tue, 1 Dec 2009
08:49:54 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
Yes, that is an excellent way to handle sudden darkness at
work. I really like the squeeze LED lights that fit on a key
ring. After a couple moments, my eyes adjust to the dark,
and they are totally useful. I like your "aluminum tube"
description. The Red Cross lady who spoke at the emergency
prep seminar recently, she advises against candles. Too much
risk of fire. That's why I like the ones in glass jars. Much
safer, I think.

"You know you're 'over prepared' when the power goes out, and it
is a while before you notice.
Say, when the sheriff comes by checking on folks. Or when you go
in to town for Super Saturday (first Saturday of the month is a sale
at the hardware store.).
Or you can't pick up any radio stations ...

tschus
pyotr

-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on or
about Tue, 01 Dec 2009 02:55:26 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:35:11 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on or
about Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:08:09 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:13:16 -0800 (PST), Jim Wilkins
wrote:

On Nov 30, 8:51*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
How did you find your way out? We can learn from your
technique.
Christopher A. Young

But finding my way home the first night, in a hall where
the
emergency lights had given up hours before - was "fun".

pyotr-

If you think the situation is likely, count the number of steps on
stairs and short, deliberate paces down a hall.


Or do what intelligent survivalists do..carry a small
flashlight..usually an LED type.

Beats a zippo.

And you can even check the gas tank

"My Bonny leaned over the gas can
The height of its contents to see
I lighted a match to assist her
Oh bring back my Bonny to me!"
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Let the Record show that "Stormin Mormon"
on or about Tue, 1 Dec 2009
08:49:54 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
.. .

Work had lights, that time. Jim had told me that there had
been times when the power had gone out at work, and at night, a
factory turns dark real fast.

So the answer is a mini-mag - or other small light - on the
belt.
Mini-mags with the :LED replacement - because there is
nothing like reaching for a flashlight and discovering that the old
definition applies "An aluminum tube for the storing of dead
batteries" - at least with an LED - you can get some light from near dead
batteries.
And that is the Word to the Wise. LED flashlights come
small enough to put on your key chain, or otherwise "on you" (Or where
you can find it by feel). I'm not as bad as my buddy, who has five
pounds of stuff on his belt as 'routine.'

Finding my apartment was a matter of using the little light left
in the flashlight to find the door at the far end of the hall, and
backing up two doors. Enough light in the apt to find the candles.
And then find the fresher batteries.

One effect of becoming more religious - lots of candles, lots of
matches.

Yes, that is an excellent way to handle sudden darkness at
work. I really like the squeeze LED lights that fit on a key
ring. After a couple moments, my eyes adjust to the dark,
and they are totally useful. I like your "aluminum tube"
description. The Red Cross lady who spoke at the emergency
prep seminar recently, she advises against candles. Too much
risk of fire. That's why I like the ones in glass jars. Much
safer, I think.

I learned my lesson about candles and inappropriate "holders"
thirty years ago, Thanksgiving. Left a "candle going". In a wooden
box. Wax, wicks and wood really burn quite well. Lost my model
airplanes, radio, and most everything in the closet due to smoke and
heat. A "small, modest" fire.

A lot of people will drag out the candles in a black out, and have
no experience with them, other than "mood lighting" at the dinner
table. I have bought several old fashioned candle stands, the sort
with the handle. Light the candles for evening prayers, extinguish all
but one, take it back to the bedroom, where it has its place, and
finish getting ready for bed.
Same sort of thing goes for the decorative glass oil lamps. No
way to carry them which doesn't involve picking up a round thing which
may be slick with oil.

As we used to say in Naval Architecture Class: Plan Ahead, you
will need one someday.
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Let the Record show that Wes on or about Tue, 01
Dec 2009 05:24:36 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote:

Beats a zippo.


Lots of light comes out of those cell phone screens.

I didn't think of that till later.

After the battery in the phone went dead.


pyotr
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Let the Record show that "Stormin Mormon"
on or about Tue, 1 Dec 2009
08:50:46 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
Many working people carry a small light, all day. Cause the
equipment is often dark where you need to work.

Head lamps in the toolbox. Because while they did finally fix the
lighting, it still was position that tools were in the shadow of the
spindle.

And with the LEDs, you can not worry about the batteries going
flat as fast.

I had a pair of clip on ones, which I clipped on the brim of my
hat. One to each side. I came around the corner outside, and Luise
zigged the fork lift. "Wah! something's coming this way!" was what he
told me, later.
I just thought it was cool being able to see.
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on or
about Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:31:57 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:30:56 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on or
about Mon, 30 Nov 2009 03:46:47 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 01:00:04 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on or
about Sun, 29 Nov 2009 22:52:33 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Power off a bit too long, get your AK out.

Rationing fuel is ok if you have reason to expect a really long outage,
but for the more normal day or so max it's easier to just run the
generator full time and get on with your life as if there was no outage.


But do you know if its going to come back on in an hour, a day, a week,
a month and so forth? Or is it simply "hope"? G

My power was out Friday night..er..Saturday morning at 2:18 and stayed
out for 10 hours.

Couple years ago, the power went out at home. A fact I did not
find out until after work - at 1 AM. Was out for four days. Most of
that was no problem, power was on at school and work. And I had a gas
grill on the "patio" so I could cook dinner. (Grilled Lamb chops,
with honey mustard ... yum!"

But finding my way home the first night, in a hall where the
emergency lights had given up hours before - was "fun".

pyotr

How well did the fridge do?

I left it close. It being winter, it wasn't a "big" problem.

Of course, if the power had stayed off till the weekend, I would
have had to do "something" about the problem.

Smart man! I wish more of these folks had that much of a grip.

Without power, I couldn't cook (electric stove), so why get the
eggs and milk out?
Stuck to granola and jougurht. SOP for years now.

tschus
pyotr
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Sounds like a plan, to me. I use my mini-mag daily, and even
on Sundays. I carry it every day. Each morning, I try to
remember to swap the batteries with a pair from the NiMH
charger. So far, it's been good to me. Teralux module works
well, also.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
...

Work had lights, that time. Jim had told me that there had
been
times when the power had gone out at work, and at night, a
factory
turns dark real fast.

So the answer is a mini-mag - or other small light - on the
belt.
Mini-mags with the :LED replacement - because there is
nothing like
reaching for a flashlight and discovering that the old
definition
applies "An aluminum tube for the storing of dead
batteries" - at
least with an LED - you can get some light from near dead
batteries.
And that is the Word to the Wise. LED flashlights come
small enough
to put on your key chain, or otherwise "on you" (Or where
you can find
it by feel). I'm not as bad as my buddy, who has five
pounds of stuff
on his belt as 'routine.'

Finding my apartment was a matter of using the little light
left
in the flashlight to find the door at the far end of the
hall, and
backing up two doors. Enough light in the apt to find the
candles.
And then find the fresher batteries.

One effect of becoming more religious - lots of candles,
lots of
matches.

tschus
pyotr
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Try Mormons, no candles.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Larry Jaques" wrote in
message ...
On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:35:11 -0800, the infamous pyotr
filipivich
scrawled the following:

One effect of becoming more religious - lots of candles,
lots of
matches.

Eek, not worth it to me. Pass.

--
Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the
restraints.

One of my ball hats, I taped a Photon squeeze light, and
then stapled the tape. The squeeze light has a hold-on
switch, which works fine.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
...

I had a pair of clip on ones, which I clipped on the brim of
my
hat. One to each side. I came around the corner outside,
and Luise
zigged the fork lift. "Wah! something's coming this way!"
was what he
told me, later.
I just thought it was cool being able to see.
-
pyotr filipivich

I know of folks who live off the power grid. And literally
don't notice the power cut until someone mentions it to
them.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
...

"You know you're 'over prepared' when the power goes out,
and it
is a while before you notice.
Say, when the sheriff comes by checking on folks. Or when
you go
in to town for Super Saturday (first Saturday of the month
is a sale
at the hardware store.).
Or you can't pick up any radio stations ...

tschus
pyotr

-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

I do believe you are right. I have no evidence one way or
the other. But, I'd dare to guess that most candle fires are
people who have never really used candles, and not given any
attention to making or buying safe brackets and holders.

In my trailer, I have a couple "cup hooks" in the ceiling,
which can be used to hang a battery lantern, or a railroad
style oil lamp. In the back corner by the bedroom, I have a
metal pan for holding candles. (Used to be a 9 x 9 cake pan.
Two sides turned up. Sides punched, and then screwed to the
inside corner by the bathroom and bedroom.) It's relatively
sturdy place to set a candle, very low risk of endangering
anything.

I've taken to remelting candles, as a hobby. Lately, I do
try to make them in glass jars, which might be safer than
tapers or pillars.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
...

I learned my lesson about candles and inappropriate
"holders"
thirty years ago, Thanksgiving. Left a "candle going". In a
wooden
box. Wax, wicks and wood really burn quite well. Lost my
model
airplanes, radio, and most everything in the closet due to
smoke and
heat. A "small, modest" fire.

A lot of people will drag out the candles in a black out,
and have
no experience with them, other than "mood lighting" at the
dinner
table. I have bought several old fashioned candle stands,
the sort
with the handle. Light the candles for evening prayers,
extinguish all
but one, take it back to the bedroom, where it has its
place, and
finish getting ready for bed.
Same sort of thing goes for the decorative glass oil lamps.
No
way to carry them which doesn't involve picking up a round
thing which
may be slick with oil.

As we used to say in Naval Architecture Class: Plan Ahead,
you
will need one someday.
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

On Dec 1, 11:54*pm, pyotr filipivich wrote:

* * * * Without power, I couldn't cook (electric stove), so why get the
eggs and milk out?
* * * * Stuck to granola and jougurht. *SOP for years now.

tschus
pyotr
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

A couple of suggestions. One is some sort of camp stove. They are
not expensive. And in my case necessary. My wife drinks tea so a way
to boil water is not a luxury, it is a necessity. With a way to boil
water, no complaints.

The other thing is a suggestion to go by Target and look at their
flashlighs. They sell a LED flashlight that uses two D cells. If a
LED flashlight uses three batteries, then there is a very good chance
that they just use a resistor to keep the current from being too high
and burning out the LED's. But with only two batteries, they have to
have a IC to boost the voltage up. Which also means the flashlight is
probably more economic as far as battery cost. Anyway the flashlight
will operate for 100 hours on two alkaline D cells. And the cost of
the flashlight is about $10.


Dan

Someday, please consider investing in a camping stove, and a
couple bottles of propane. Very handy.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
...

Smart man! I wish more of these folks had that much of a
grip.

Without power, I couldn't cook (electric stove), so why get
the
eggs and milk out?
Stuck to granola and jougurht. SOP for years now.

tschus
pyotr
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:54:22 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:


Smart man! I wish more of these folks had that much of a grip.

Without power, I couldn't cook (electric stove), so why get the
eggs and milk out?
Stuck to granola and jougurht. SOP for years now.


you ...you...you dont have a Coleman stove or equivelant????

Blink blink...blink....Really?

Even when one can pick one up a the second hand stores for $9 in perfect
running condition?????



Gunner, who has 11 of them. (trading stock)



"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
Unknown Usnet Poster

Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls.
Keyton

On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:54:22 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:


Smart man! I wish more of these folks had that much of a grip.

Without power, I couldn't cook (electric stove), so why get the
eggs and milk out?
Stuck to granola and jougurht. SOP for years now.


you ...you...you dont have a Coleman stove or equivelant????

Blink blink...blink....Really?

Even when one can pick one up a the second hand stores for $9 in perfect
running condition?????



Gunner, who has 11 of them. (trading stock)



"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
Unknown Usnet Poster

Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls.
Keyton

On 2009-12-01, pyotr filipivich wrote:

[ ... ]

Head lamps in the toolbox. Because while they did finally fix the
lighting, it still was position that tools were in the shadow of the
spindle.

And with the LEDs, you can not worry about the batteries going
flat as fast.

With the disadvantage that you no longer have the color
indication of a low battery, so you may suddenly have it fully die with
no warning. :-) At least incandescents show the voltage in light color.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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