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Delta DP350 Power Switch - Small Saga
I bought a Delta DP350 drill press in April 2005, and have used it ever
since. A few weeks ago, the switch failed, and one could no longer turn the drill press on. The problem was mechanical and abrupt - something in the switch broke. Delta wants almost $40 for a new switch, which caused a small revolt. For the record, the old switch is a Kedu model HY52 E195428 02A0428, 20/12 amp 125/150 Vac. No motor HP rating is given on the switch. With a little research, I was able to find a suitable and mechanically compatible switch for $3.20. Same current ratings, but also has a 3/4 HP motor rating. The new switch (a Carling model RGSCC201-R-B-B-E from Allied Electronics (stock number 683-5523)) was installed yesterday and works just fine. I bought two switches, and have stored the second switch in a ziplock bag stored in a cavity within the drill press. The panel cutout which held the old switch is slightly too long for the new switch, even though Carling claims the same size cutout, but it was close enough. Joe Gwinn |
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On Oct 24, 8:05*am, Joseph Gwinn wrote:
I bought a Delta DP350 drill press in April 2005, and have used it ever since. *A few weeks ago, the switch failed, and one could no longer turn the drill press on. *The problem was mechanical and abrupt - something in the switch broke. Delta wants almost $40 for a new switch, which caused a small revolt. For the record, the old switch is a Kedu model HY52 E195428 02A0428, 20/12 amp 125/150 Vac. *No motor HP rating is given on the switch. With a little research, I was able to find a suitable and mechanically compatible switch for $3.20. *Same current ratings, but also has a 3/4 HP motor rating. The new switch (a Carling model RGSCC201-R-B-B-E from Allied Electronics (stock number 683-5523)) was installed yesterday and works just fine. I bought two switches, and have stored the second switch in a ziplock bag stored in a cavity within the drill press. The panel cutout which held the old switch is slightly too long for the new switch, even though Carling claims the same size cutout, but it was close enough. Joe Gwinn Good for you! And when the new switch wears out, you will not be able to find where you put the second switch. Or, the next owner will discover the bag and switch when he goes to replace the old switch. You just can't win! Paul |
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Delta DP350 Power Switch - Small Saga
"Joseph Gwinn" wrote in message
... I bought a Delta DP350 drill press in April 2005, and have used it ever since. A few weeks ago, the switch failed, and one could no longer turn the drill press on. The problem was mechanical and abrupt - something in the switch broke. Delta wants almost $40 for a new switch, which caused a small revolt. For the record, the old switch is a Kedu model HY52 E195428 02A0428, 20/12 amp 125/150 Vac. No motor HP rating is given on the switch. With a little research, I was able to find a suitable and mechanically compatible switch for $3.20. Same current ratings, but also has a 3/4 HP motor rating. The new switch (a Carling model RGSCC201-R-B-B-E from Allied Electronics (stock number 683-5523)) was installed yesterday and works just fine. I bought two switches, and have stored the second switch in a ziplock bag stored in a cavity within the drill press. The panel cutout which held the old switch is slightly too long for the new switch, even though Carling claims the same size cutout, but it was close enough. Well, there ya go. |
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, " wrote: On Oct 24, 8:05*am, Joseph Gwinn wrote: I bought a Delta DP350 drill press in April 2005, and have used it ever since. *A few weeks ago, the switch failed, and one could no longer turn the drill press on. *The problem was mechanical and abrupt - something in the switch broke. Delta wants almost $40 for a new switch, which caused a small revolt. For the record, the old switch is a Kedu model HY52 E195428 02A0428, 20/12 amp 125/150 Vac. *No motor HP rating is given on the switch. With a little research, I was able to find a suitable and mechanically compatible switch for $3.20. *Same current ratings, but also has a 3/4 HP motor rating. The new switch (a Carling model RGSCC201-R-B-B-E from Allied Electronics (stock number 683-5523)) was installed yesterday and works just fine. I bought two switches, and have stored the second switch in a ziplock bag stored in a cavity within the drill press. The panel cutout which held the old switch is slightly too long for the new switch, even though Carling claims the same size cutout, but it was close enough. Joe Gwinn Good for you! And when the new switch wears out, you will not be able to find where you put the second switch. Or, the next owner will discover the bag and switch when he goes to replace the old switch. You just can't win! Well, the chosen cavity is behind the operational switch, so there is hope. And I do the put-the-spares-in-the-machine maneuver often enough that I'll probably think of it. It's more likely to work than to remember which box I put it in, five or ten years later. I hope that this switch lasts longer than 5 years of light duty that killed the old switch. The new switch is mechanically simpler (a rocker) than the old switch (push green for on, push red for off). Future owners are on their own. Joe Gwinn |
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Delta DP350 Power Switch - Small Saga
Outstanding. Not to hijack the thread, but has anyone tried using a
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Ignoramus18829 wrote: Outstanding. Not to hijack the thread, but has anyone tried using a foot pedal as a switch for a drill press. Duh. -- The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary! |
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Two of my drill presses have foot controls. They're Dumont drills with
Jacobs #0 taper chucks. Since they have universal AC/DC motors, a simple trigger switch from a variable speed drill will easily carry the currents of the motors. A similar setup could be constructed for most drill presses, with a foot switch to act as just a Start/Stop switch for a relay/contactor to run the motor. Typical, inexpensive foot switches aren't rated for high currents that a full-sized shop drill press motor would require, but they can easily handle the contactor coil's voltage and current. Heavy duty indsustrial-rated machine control foot switches are generally expensive, and nearly always have a guard covering the switch pedal to prevent accidental activation of a machine. The guard is a sensible feature for any foot switch, and especially if children or pets frequent the machine area. A safety lockout switch located on the machine could prevent unanticipated surprises or injuries. If the drill press had a DC motor, it wouldn't be too difficult to put together a variable speed foot control for some particular purpose.. polishing, maybe. An AC variable speed control could probably be constructed without too much difficulty using a VFD for a 3-phase motor and a foot switch. -- WB .......... metalworking projects www.kwagmire.com/metal_proj.html "Ignoramus18829" wrote in message ... Outstanding. Not to hijack the thread, but has anyone tried using a foot pedal as a switch for a drill press. i |
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Joseph Gwinn wrote:
With a little research, I was able to find a suitable and mechanically compatible switch for $3.20. Same current ratings, but also has a 3/4 HP motor rating. I spent a half hour looking for a replacement switch for a Bunn coffee maker. Co-worker was trying to find a switch with a light that would fit. The replacement I found is a Honeywell product which made me think of Don. I guess Bunn really wants a lot for that switch, Digikey seems a bit less proud of it. Wes |
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Wils Bill, thanks. I have an Allen Bradley foot switch that has a
guard, weighs 6-8 lbs and is rated for 15 amp. I will add a 115v plug and receptacle to it so that I could use it with any piece of machinery. i |
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"Ignoramus18829" wrote in message ... Wils Bill, thanks. I have an Allen Bradley foot switch that has a guard, weighs 6-8 lbs and is rated for 15 amp. I will add a 115v plug and receptacle to it so that I could use it with any piece of machinery. I only do small stuff so my machines are quite small. 3 of them,, the bench grinder the small pedastal drill, and the scroll saw are all on the one plug board with the foot switch on the input. Turn on which ever machine you want, kick the switch a bit closer and away you go. John G. |
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Ignoramus18829 wrote: Wild Bill, thanks. I have an Allen Bradley foot switch that has a guard, weighs 6-8 lbs and is rated for 15 amp. I will add a 115v plug and receptacle to it so that I could use it with any piece of machinery. Mine was hard wired to the motor switch about 10 years ago. I is a commercial grade from some load of surplaus i picked up, long ago. There were two mounted on a single base plate so i cut the plate in half and trimmed it to fit each footswitch These are already wired to just plug in: Momentary Power Foot Switch $9.99 http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=96619 Manual: http://www.harborfreight.com/manuals...6999/96619.pdf Power Maintained Foot Switch $12.99 http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=96618 Manual: http://www.harborfreight.com/manuals...6999/96618.pdf -- The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary! |
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Delta DP350 Power Switch - Small Saga
On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:43:21 -0500, the infamous Ignoramus18829
scrawled the following: Outstanding. Not to hijack the thread, but has anyone tried using a foot pedal as a switch for a drill press. Excellent question, Ig. I'd love floor-actuated switching for a few tools. Do you prefer momentary or hard-switched? I think I'd like the option for both. -- The only reason I would take up exercising is so that I could hear heavy breathing again. |
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Hey Iggy,
I use foot switches on all three of mine. Each is actually an "air ball pedal" with rubber tubing leading to the actual switches near the motors. Works on the same principle as the old service station bell. This is a safety feature that does away with the "something-heavy/sharp-cut-the-cord-on-the-floor" electrical hazard, and light enough to be able to easily nudge it out of the way when not needed. They are quite light, and I had thought initially that lightness would be annoying and maybe I should mount each on a board or something, but so far that has not been required. Pretty sure mine came from a place called Busy Bee Tools here in Canada, at about $15 bucks each as I recall. Brian Lawson, Bothwell, Ontario. and ps to Joe Gwinn.... if you had a unit style Start/Stop originally, you should have a big enough "hole" to mount a decent sized double pole toggle switch, even from Radio Shack, and suing both poles you would double the electrical life of the switch. 'XXXXXXXXXXX On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:43:21 -0500, Ignoramus18829 wrote: Outstanding. Not to hijack the thread, but has anyone tried using a foot pedal as a switch for a drill press. i |
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Brian Lawson wrote: [snip] and ps to Joe Gwinn.... if you had a unit style Start/Stop originally, you should have a big enough "hole" to mount a decent sized double pole toggle switch, even from Radio Shack, and suing both poles you would double the electrical life of the switch. I thought of that, but the problem in the switch was mechanical, not electrical, so I opted for a mechanically simpler switch that is made in the US. With any luck, this will outlive me. The failed switch will be autopsied, time permitting. Joe Gwinn |
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Brian Lawson wrote: Hey Iggy, I use foot switches on all three of mine. Each is actually an "air ball pedal" with rubber tubing leading to the actual switches near the motors. Works on the same principle as the old service station bell. This is a safety feature that does away with the "something-heavy/sharp-cut-the-cord-on-the-floor" electrical hazard, and light enough to be able to easily nudge it out of the way when not needed. They are quite light, and I had thought initially that lightness would be annoying and maybe I should mount each on a board or something, but so far that has not been required. Pretty sure mine came from a place called Busy Bee Tools here in Canada, at about $15 bucks each as I recall. Brian Lawson, Bothwell, Ontario. and ps to Joe Gwinn.... if you had a unit style Start/Stop originally, you should have a big enough "hole" to mount a decent sized double pole toggle switch, even from Radio Shack, and suing both poles you would double the electrical life of the switch. No, you won't 'double' the life. The switches will open or close at slightly different times, and won't share the load equally so it will extend the life some it will not double. -- The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary! |
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Larry Jaques wrote: On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:43:21 -0500, the infamous Ignoramus18829 scrawled the following: Outstanding. Not to hijack the thread, but has anyone tried using a foot pedal as a switch for a drill press. Excellent question, Ig. I'd love floor-actuated switching for a few tools. Do you prefer momentary or hard-switched? I think I'd like the option for both. Harbor Freight has both types. -- The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary! |
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Delta DP350 Power Switch - Small Saga
On 2009-10-25, Larry Jaques novalidaddress@di wrote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:43:21 -0500, the infamous Ignoramus18829 scrawled the following: Outstanding. Not to hijack the thread, but has anyone tried using a foot pedal as a switch for a drill press. Excellent question, Ig. I'd love floor-actuated switching for a few tools. Do you prefer momentary or hard-switched? I think I'd like the option for both. I prefer momentary, personally. The pedal that would hold, seems more dangerous than useful. i |
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On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:18:26 -0500, the infamous Ignoramus7950
scrawled the following: On 2009-10-25, Larry Jaques novalidaddress@di wrote: On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:43:21 -0500, the infamous Ignoramus18829 scrawled the following: Outstanding. Not to hijack the thread, but has anyone tried using a foot pedal as a switch for a drill press. Excellent question, Ig. I'd love floor-actuated switching for a few tools. Do you prefer momentary or hard-switched? I think I'd like the option for both. I prefer momentary, personally. The pedal that would hold, seems more dangerous than useful. Since 99.9% of switches up top are not momentary, I don't see how you could consider a foot switch more dangerous. It's the norm for all power tools except handheld VSR drill motors. -- The only reason I would take up exercising is so that I could hear heavy breathing again. |
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On 2009-10-26, Larry Jaques novalidaddress@di wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:18:26 -0500, the infamous Ignoramus7950 scrawled the following: On 2009-10-25, Larry Jaques novalidaddress@di wrote: On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:43:21 -0500, the infamous Ignoramus18829 scrawled the following: Outstanding. Not to hijack the thread, but has anyone tried using a foot pedal as a switch for a drill press. Excellent question, Ig. I'd love floor-actuated switching for a few tools. Do you prefer momentary or hard-switched? I think I'd like the option for both. I prefer momentary, personally. The pedal that would hold, seems more dangerous than useful. Since 99.9% of switches up top are not momentary, I don't see how you could consider a foot switch more dangerous. It's the norm for all power tools except handheld VSR drill motors. If something happens, you would need to look for a switch and find it with your foot etc. I do not really see the point of non-momemntary foot switches. i |
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On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:50:47 -0500, Ignoramus7950
wrote: On 2009-10-26, Larry Jaques novalidaddress@di wrote: On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:18:26 -0500, the infamous Ignoramus7950 scrawled the following: On 2009-10-25, Larry Jaques novalidaddress@di wrote: On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:43:21 -0500, the infamous Ignoramus18829 scrawled the following: Outstanding. Not to hijack the thread, but has anyone tried using a foot pedal as a switch for a drill press. Excellent question, Ig. I'd love floor-actuated switching for a few tools. Do you prefer momentary or hard-switched? I think I'd like the option for both. I prefer momentary, personally. The pedal that would hold, seems more dangerous than useful. Since 99.9% of switches up top are not momentary, I don't see how you could consider a foot switch more dangerous. It's the norm for all power tools except handheld VSR drill motors. If something happens, you would need to look for a switch and find it with your foot etc. I do not really see the point of non-momemntary foot switches. i And hands are much more instinct driven than feet when it comes to something other than balance. Gerry :-)} London, Canada |
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Ahhh, crap. The drills are Dumore (not Dumont).
Sensitive drills such as the Series 16 http://www.dumorecorp.com/drills.htm#sd and a much older version of the same model designated Type PD "Wild_Bill" wrote in message ... Two of my drill presses have foot controls. They're Dumont drills with Jacobs #0 taper chucks. Since they have universal AC/DC motors, a simple trigger switch from a variable speed drill will easily carry the currents of the motors. -- WB ......... metalworking projects www.kwagmire.com/metal_proj.html |
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On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 00:08:32 -0400, the infamous Gerald Miller
scrawled the following: I said: Since 99.9% of switches up top are not momentary, I don't see how you could consider a foot switch more dangerous. It's the norm for all power tools except handheld VSR drill motors. Then Ig said: If something happens, you would need to look for a switch and find it with your foot etc. I do not really see the point of non-momemntary foot switches. And hands are much more instinct driven than feet when it comes to something other than balance. I dunno, Ger. I seem to instinctively tapdance around when something goes wrong in the shop. Doesn't everyone? snort -- The only reason I would take up exercising is so that I could hear heavy breathing again. |
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Larry Jaques wrote: On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 00:08:32 -0400, the infamous Gerald Miller scrawled the following: I said: Since 99.9% of switches up top are not momentary, I don't see how you could consider a foot switch more dangerous. It's the norm for all power tools except handheld VSR drill motors. Then Ig said: If something happens, you would need to look for a switch and find it with your foot etc. I do not really see the point of non-momemntary foot switches. And hands are much more instinct driven than feet when it comes to something other than balance. I dunno, Ger. I seem to instinctively tapdance around when something goes wrong in the shop. Doesn't everyone? snort I have both switches on my drill press. The original one on the drill press is a rocker switch that is connected in series with the hard wired momentary foot switch. I added it about 10 years ago so I would have another free hand for some delicate work. It allows me to have the tip of the drill in contact with the workpiece when I start the motor. if something goes wrong, either switch will stop the motor. -- The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary! |
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On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:23:10 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: Larry Jaques wrote: On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 00:08:32 -0400, the infamous Gerald Miller scrawled the following: I said: Since 99.9% of switches up top are not momentary, I don't see how you could consider a foot switch more dangerous. It's the norm for all power tools except handheld VSR drill motors. Then Ig said: If something happens, you would need to look for a switch and find it with your foot etc. I do not really see the point of non-momemntary foot switches. And hands are much more instinct driven than feet when it comes to something other than balance. I dunno, Ger. I seem to instinctively tapdance around when something goes wrong in the shop. Doesn't everyone? snort I have both switches on my drill press. The original one on the drill press is a rocker switch that is connected in series with the hard wired momentary foot switch. I added it about 10 years ago so I would have another free hand for some delicate work. It allows me to have the tip of the drill in contact with the workpiece when I start the motor. if something goes wrong, either switch will stop the motor. Tell the truth, I haven't hooked up my new foot switch yet - been too busy straightening the crank shaft on a 4 HP B&S quatro that got dragged home, so I could bag leaves from four large maple trees plus a few smaller Misc. species and whatever are delivered by the breezes, and I haven't had that many holes to produce. Last time I used a foot switch was in the shop at the airport where I earned free access to equipment and supplies. Gerry :-)} London, Canada |
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Gerald Miller wrote: On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:23:10 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Larry Jaques wrote: On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 00:08:32 -0400, the infamous Gerald Miller scrawled the following: I said: Since 99.9% of switches up top are not momentary, I don't see how you could consider a foot switch more dangerous. It's the norm for all power tools except handheld VSR drill motors. Then Ig said: If something happens, you would need to look for a switch and find it with your foot etc. I do not really see the point of non-momemntary foot switches. And hands are much more instinct driven than feet when it comes to something other than balance. I dunno, Ger. I seem to instinctively tapdance around when something goes wrong in the shop. Doesn't everyone? snort I have both switches on my drill press. The original one on the drill press is a rocker switch that is connected in series with the hard wired momentary foot switch. I added it about 10 years ago so I would have another free hand for some delicate work. It allows me to have the tip of the drill in contact with the workpiece when I start the motor. if something goes wrong, either switch will stop the motor. Tell the truth, I haven't hooked up my new foot switch yet - been too busy straightening the crank shaft on a 4 HP B&S quatro that got dragged home, so I could bag leaves from four large maple trees plus a few smaller Misc. species and whatever are delivered by the breezes, and I haven't had that many holes to produce. Last time I used a foot switch was in the shop at the airport where I earned free access to equipment and supplies. A lot of the time I have to use my cane to stand, so that leaves me one hand short to use the drill press. It was a convenience when I added it, about ten years ago, but now that I'm disabled, its the only way I can use the drill press, most days. -- The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary! |
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Thanks for original post - I just had same situation with DP350. I'll buy 2 and hide one behind my coffee maker (if she's sleeping).
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replying to Joseph Gwinn, Jeff wrote:
I also have the Delta DP350 drill press and the switch is no longer working after checking for continuity. The stock number 683-5523 does not work at Allied Electronics, not sure why? Hope you can help Thanks -- for full context, visit https://www.polytechforum.com/metalw...ga-205274-.htm |
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On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 14:18:03 +0000, Jeff
wrote: replying to Joseph Gwinn, Jeff wrote: I also have the Delta DP350 drill press and the switch is no longer working after checking for continuity. The stock number 683-5523 does not work at Allied Electronics, not sure why? Hope you can help Thanks I also have DP350, and the switch did fail. While it's difficult to find that exact switch, the cutout and connections are standard, and there are lots of switches that will work. Be sure to get a switch rated for at least the rating of the failed switch. And buy a few spares. My backup plan was to make a metal plate to mount a MIL-SPEC toggle switch. These are heavy enough to never fail. Joe Gwinn |
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