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I will not go this year... Some fun marvels avaiolable for yer perusal

http://www.hilpipre.com/equipment_search.asp?aid=155

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On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:57:00 -0500, the infamous Ignoramus5648
scrawled the following:

I will not go this year... Some fun marvels avaiolable for yer perusal

http://www.hilpipre.com/equipment_search.asp?aid=155

I wish there were auctions for large goodies like that around here.

He, Ig. I read a nasty rumor in Newt's _Lessons Learned the Hard Way_
book today. It said that Cook County Illinoise schools teach in over
200 languages. Tell me it isn't so! Bilingual is expensive enough.

--
The blind are not good trailblazers.

-- federal judge Frank Easterbrook

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On Oct 15, 10:57*pm, Ignoramus5648
wrote:
I will not go this year... Some fun marvels avaiolable for yer perusal

http://www.hilpipre.com/equipment_search.asp?aid=155

Do they ship to CA?

TMT

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On 2009-10-16, Larry Jaques novalidaddress@di wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:57:00 -0500, the infamous Ignoramus5648
scrawled the following:

I will not go this year... Some fun marvels avaiolable for yer perusal

http://www.hilpipre.com/equipment_search.asp?aid=155

I wish there were auctions for large goodies like that around here.

There is a cute benchtop lathe hiding there.

He, Ig. I read a nasty rumor in Newt's _Lessons Learned the Hard Way_
book today. It said that Cook County Illinoise schools teach in over
200 languages. Tell me it isn't so! Bilingual is expensive enough.

I am in Dupage county, not Cook, and never heard of this.

http://www.district130.org/programs.html

Looks like it discusses English and Spanish as languages for
instruction, and mentions other languages in a transitional program,
which I interpret as just helping them get started with English (ie,
they do not teach math in Russian).

i

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On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:37:45 -0500, the infamous Ignoramus15879
scrawled the following:

On 2009-10-16, Larry Jaques novalidaddress@di wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:57:00 -0500, the infamous Ignoramus5648
scrawled the following:

I will not go this year... Some fun marvels avaiolable for yer perusal

http://www.hilpipre.com/equipment_search.asp?aid=155

I wish there were auctions for large goodies like that around here.

There is a cute benchtop lathe hiding there.

I'm even more jealous now.


He, Ig. I read a nasty rumor in Newt's _Lessons Learned the Hard Way_
book today. It said that Cook County Illinoise schools teach in over
200 languages. Tell me it isn't so! Bilingual is expensive enough.

I am in Dupage county, not Cook, and never heard of this.

http://www.district130.org/programs.html

Looks like it discusses English and Spanish as languages for
instruction, and mentions other languages in a transitional program,
which I interpret as just helping them get started with English

I remember being ****ed off every time I got a California ballot with
the 28 different translations available. It's probably up to 60 now.
I doubt this was what he referred to, but I'll keep digging.


(ie, they do not teach math in Russian)

All together now: Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!
;)

--
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On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:57:00 -0500, Ignoramus5648
wrote:

I will not go this year... Some fun marvels avaiolable for yer perusal

http://www.hilpipre.com/equipment_search.asp?aid=155


Looked at the CNC lathes, every one ends with "needs EUC" what's
"euc"?

Thank You,
Randy

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Randy wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:57:00 -0500, Ignoramus5648
wrote:

I will not go this year... Some fun marvels avaiolable for yer perusal

http://www.hilpipre.com/equipment_search.asp?aid=155


Looked at the CNC lathes, every one ends with "needs EUC" what's
"euc"?

This'd be my guess:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_user_certificate

--Winston

--

I'm still waiting for another sublime, transcendent flash of adequacy.

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On 2009-10-16, Randy wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:57:00 -0500, Ignoramus5648
wrote:

I will not go this year... Some fun marvels avaiolable for yer perusal

http://www.hilpipre.com/equipment_search.asp?aid=155


Looked at the CNC lathes, every one ends with "needs EUC" what's
"euc"?

End Use Certificate. You would have to certify that you are not a spy
and that you will not export this lathe without govt permission.

i

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On 2009-10-16, Ignoramus15879 wrote:
On 2009-10-16, Randy wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:57:00 -0500, Ignoramus5648
wrote:

I will not go this year... Some fun marvels avaiolable for yer perusal

http://www.hilpipre.com/equipment_search.asp?aid=155


Looked at the CNC lathes, every one ends with "needs EUC" what's
"euc"?

End Use Certificate. You would have to certify that you are not a spy
and that you will not export this lathe without govt permission.

And let me warn you that dealing with the EUC bureaucrats is a real
pain in the ass. Do not get me started on this or how they demanded
EUCs on some old crap that I bought without EUC and sold without any
record.

i

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On Oct 16, 11:37*am, Ignoramus15879 ignoramus15...@NOSPAM.
15879.invalid wrote:
On 2009-10-16, Ignoramus15879 wrote:

On 2009-10-16, Randy wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:57:00 -0500, Ignoramus5648
wrote:

I will not go this year... Some fun marvels avaiolable for yer perusal

http://www.hilpipre.com/equipment_search.asp?aid=155

Looked at the CNC lathes, every one ends with "needs EUC" * what's
"euc"?

End Use Certificate. You would have to certify that you are not a spy
and that you will not export this lathe without govt permission.

And let me warn you that dealing with the EUC bureaucrats is a real
pain in the ass. Do not get me started on this or how they demanded
EUCs on some old crap that I bought without EUC and sold without any
record.

i

Correct me if I am wrong but I also believe that they can come look
you up years later and demand the item back.

As Ig said...a real PITA.

TMT

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On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:40:46 -0400, the infamous Randy
scrawled the following:

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:57:00 -0500, Ignoramus5648
wrote:

I will not go this year... Some fun marvels avaiolable for yer perusal

http://www.hilpipre.com/equipment_search.asp?aid=155


Looked at the CNC lathes, every one ends with "needs EUC" what's
"euc"?

From http://www.hilpipre.com/docs/Term%20...ions%20RIA.pdf

END USE CERTIFICATE (EUC) ** Very Important**
Any item purchased that is designated as EUC will require the buyer to
complete the EUC. This form must
be submitted to the Auction Company. The auction Company will then
submit the form to the Army. The
form will be reviewed and a decision made to approve or disapprove
will be made by the Department of the
Army prior to those designated items are able to be released and
become possession of the buyer/s. The
approval process can take up to 3 months after the form has been
submitted to the Army. If you plan on
bidding on any items noted as needing an EUC, contact the Auction
Company, today!! Completing the
paperwork and beginning the filing process prior to ending of the
online sale date will help expedite the
process. NOTE: ONLY U.S. Citizens and U.S. based companies or
corporations may purchase equipment
requiring EUC.

--
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Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Oct 16, 11:37 am, Ignoramus15879 ignoramus15...@NOSPAM.
15879.invalid wrote:
On 2009-10-16, Ignoramus15879 wrote:

On 2009-10-16, Randy wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:57:00 -0500, Ignoramus5648
wrote:
I will not go this year... Some fun marvels avaiolable for yer perusal
http://www.hilpipre.com/equipment_search.asp?aid=155
Looked at the CNC lathes, every one ends with "needs EUC" what's
"euc"?
End Use Certificate. You would have to certify that you are not a spy
and that you will not export this lathe without govt permission.
And let me warn you that dealing with the EUC bureaucrats is a real
pain in the ass. Do not get me started on this or how they demanded
EUCs on some old crap that I bought without EUC and sold without any
record.

i

Correct me if I am wrong but I also believe that they can come look
you up years later and demand the item back.

As Ig said...a real PITA.

TMT

How about a conviction for making false statements to the police?

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On 2009-10-17, cavelamb wrote:
Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Oct 16, 11:37 am, Ignoramus15879 ignoramus15...@NOSPAM.
15879.invalid wrote:
On 2009-10-16, Ignoramus15879 wrote:

On 2009-10-16, Randy wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:57:00 -0500, Ignoramus5648
wrote:
I will not go this year... Some fun marvels avaiolable for yer perusal
http://www.hilpipre.com/equipment_search.asp?aid=155
Looked at the CNC lathes, every one ends with "needs EUC" what's
"euc"?
End Use Certificate. You would have to certify that you are not a spy
and that you will not export this lathe without govt permission.
And let me warn you that dealing with the EUC bureaucrats is a real
pain in the ass. Do not get me started on this or how they demanded
EUCs on some old crap that I bought without EUC and sold without any
record.

i

Correct me if I am wrong but I also believe that they can come look
you up years later and demand the item back.

I would not consider that impossible.

In my case, it is even worse, they came after me for stuff for which I
never signed any EUC and demanded that I file one.

In that instance, not only I no longer had that stuff, I did not even
have any records. So I considered any EUC filed over this to be false
automatically and exposing me to legal trouble.

As Ig said...a real PITA.

TMT

How about a conviction for making false statements to the police?

Not sure what your question is in regards to this, but I would not
want to make any false statements on those forms.

i

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In article ,
Ignoramus15879 wrote:

On 2009-10-17, cavelamb wrote:
Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Oct 16, 11:37 am, Ignoramus15879 ignoramus15...@NOSPAM.
15879.invalid wrote:
On 2009-10-16, Ignoramus15879 wrote:

On 2009-10-16, Randy wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:57:00 -0500, Ignoramus5648
wrote:
I will not go this year... Some fun marvels avaiolable for yer perusal
http://www.hilpipre.com/equipment_search.asp?aid=155
Looked at the CNC lathes, every one ends with "needs EUC" what's
"euc"?
End Use Certificate. You would have to certify that you are not a spy
and that you will not export this lathe without govt permission.
And let me warn you that dealing with the EUC bureaucrats is a real
pain in the ass. Do not get me started on this or how they demanded
EUCs on some old crap that I bought without EUC and sold without any
record.

i

Correct me if I am wrong but I also believe that they can come look
you up years later and demand the item back.

I would not consider that impossible.

In my case, it is even worse, they came after me for stuff for which I
never signed any EUC and demanded that I file one.

In that instance, not only I no longer had that stuff, I did not even
have any records. So I considered any EUC filed over this to be false
automatically and exposing me to legal trouble.

As Ig said...a real PITA.

TMT

How about a conviction for making false statements to the police?

Not sure what your question is in regards to this, but I would not
want to make any false statements on those forms.

The classic solution is to hand write in ink a statement on the form
that you no longer have the records for or possession of the item in
question having sold it on, or the like, and that at purchase no EUL was
requested. Be sure to give the dates of purchase and sale, if known.
This way, the form as signed is not false.

It doesn't matter if their database has no way to handle this, or any
other such excuse, as the legal copy is the piece of paper with the
original signature. It's also useful to annotate and sign in blue ink,
so the difference from the printed text is obvious, as are ordinary
xerox copies.


There is a parallel while selling a house. One of the many forms I was
asked to sign was one saying that there was no UFFI or asbestos in the
house. I balked, saying that while I had no reason to believe that
either substance was present, without tearing all the walls open for
inspection I had no way to attest to any such thing. So I initially
declined to sign the form. I don't recall which house this was, but I
recall signing at least one such form after adding a "to the best of my
knowledge" qualifier. This same qualifier is on all the lead-paint
disclaimers, so there already was legal precedent.


Joe Gwinn

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On 2009-10-17, Joseph Gwinn wrote:
How about a conviction for making false statements to the police?

Not sure what your question is in regards to this, but I would not
want to make any false statements on those forms.

The classic solution is to hand write in ink a statement on the form
that you no longer have the records for or possession of the item in
question having sold it on, or the like, and that at purchase no EUL was
requested. Be sure to give the dates of purchase and sale, if known.
This way, the form as signed is not false.

I tried this, they did not accept the forms, at which point I sort of
gave up. I also thought that there was a small chance that it was some
sort of a sneaky tactic to make me incriminate myself in some way.

It doesn't matter if their database has no way to handle this, or any
other such excuse, as the legal copy is the piece of paper with the
original signature. It's also useful to annotate and sign in blue ink,
so the difference from the printed text is obvious, as are ordinary
xerox copies.

If only.

There is a parallel while selling a house. One of the many forms I was
asked to sign was one saying that there was no UFFI or asbestos in the
house. I balked, saying that while I had no reason to believe that
either substance was present, without tearing all the walls open for
inspection I had no way to attest to any such thing. So I initially
declined to sign the form. I don't recall which house this was, but I
recall signing at least one such form after adding a "to the best of my
knowledge" qualifier. This same qualifier is on all the lead-paint
disclaimers, so there already was legal precedent.

This is very sensible.

i

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In article ,
Ignoramus32280 wrote:

On 2009-10-17, Joseph Gwinn wrote:
How about a conviction for making false statements to the police?

Not sure what your question is in regards to this, but I would not
want to make any false statements on those forms.

The classic solution is to hand write in ink a statement on the form
that you no longer have the records for or possession of the item in
question having sold it on, or the like, and that at purchase no EUL was
requested. Be sure to give the dates of purchase and sale, if known.
This way, the form as signed is not false.

I tried this, they did not accept the forms, at which point I sort of
gave up.

That is their intent. But if they really had the power they claim, they
would not need your signature.


I also thought that there was a small chance that it was some
sort of a sneaky tactic to make me incriminate myself in some way.

OK. But keep good records. Such as a xerox copy of their
identification. Looking prepared has a way of deflecting trouble.


It doesn't matter if their database has no way to handle this, or any
other such excuse, as the legal copy is the piece of paper with the
original signature. It's also useful to annotate and sign in blue ink,
so the difference from the printed text is obvious, as are ordinary
xerox copies.

If only.

If only what?


There is a parallel while selling a house. One of the many forms I was
asked to sign was one saying that there was no UFFI or asbestos in the
house. I balked, saying that while I had no reason to believe that
either substance was present, without tearing all the walls open for
inspection I had no way to attest to any such thing. So I initially
declined to sign the form. I don't recall which house this was, but I
recall signing at least one such form after adding a "to the best of my
knowledge" qualifier. This same qualifier is on all the lead-paint
disclaimers, so there already was legal precedent.

This is very sensible.

My lawyer agreed as well. The form actually came from the buyer's real
estate agent and her firm, not the buyer, and the agent and firm were
not going to blow the sale for this. Most real estate firms in the area
do not ask that sellers sign any such thing, so there were ready
alternatives.


Joe Gwinn