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Interesting traffic citation racket
This weekend, after delivering a bandsaw and a drill (metal content)
to a buyer in a neighboring state, I was stopped and fined by police for driving 22 MPH over the speed limit. The reason for this is I was not paying attention and the road was rather empty. In any case, after posting the $130 fine, the officer told me that I can avoid having a driving violation posted on my record, and I need to talk to the chief of police. I called "the chief" today and he told that, no problem, I can avoid it on my record if they convert it to a "ordinance violation", with the fine for that beong $275 (over twice more). This is still better than having this ticket on my record, but I cannot help but feel that this "downgrade" process is just a way for that small town to shake down motorists. i |
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Ignoramus26236 wrote:
This weekend, after delivering a bandsaw and a drill (metal content) to a buyer in a neighboring state, I was stopped and fined by police for driving 22 MPH over the speed limit. The reason for this is I was not paying attention and the road was rather empty. In any case, after posting the $130 fine, the officer told me that I can avoid having a driving violation posted on my record, and I need to talk to the chief of police. I called "the chief" today and he told that, no problem, I can avoid it on my record if they convert it to a "ordinance violation", with the fine for that beong $275 (over twice more). This is still better than having this ticket on my record, but I cannot help but feel that this "downgrade" process is just a way for that small town to shake down motorists. That's exactly what it is. California does the same thing through "Traffic Schools". Those "schools" are privately run and in many instances, are completed online. California DMV and the issuer split part of the fee and the private entity keeps the rest. -- John R. Carroll |
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On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 11:11:47 -0800, John R. Carroll wrote:
Ignoramus26236 wrote: This weekend, after delivering a bandsaw and a drill (metal content) to a buyer in a neighboring state, I was stopped and fined by police for driving 22 MPH over the speed limit. The reason for this is I was not paying attention and the road was rather empty. In any case, after posting the $130 fine, the officer told me that I can avoid having a driving violation posted on my record, and I need to talk to the chief of police. I called "the chief" today and he told that, no problem, I can avoid it on my record if they convert it to a "ordinance violation", with the fine for that beong $275 (over twice more). This is still better than having this ticket on my record, but I cannot help but feel that this "downgrade" process is just a way for that small town to shake down motorists. That's exactly what it is. California does the same thing through "Traffic Schools". Those "schools" are privately run and in many instances, are completed online. California DMV and the issuer split part of the fee and the private entity keeps the rest. I wouldn't be that quick to knock it - not too long ago, I got rousted with about 1/2 gram of pot in my pocket. They let me go to "drug and alcohol abuse" school (at which about 6 out of about 150 people were there for alcohol) for a mere $40.00, which is a HELL of a lot cheaper than the astronomical fine if I'd pled guilty, or for a lawyer if I'd wanted to fight it. I could have qualified for the PD, but that's a crapshoot - we all know who pays the PD's salary. =:-O Cheers! Rich |
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Here's another one: My 20 year old niece was driving in the rain.
Truck in front of her was doing 55 (speed limit was 65). Cop was behind her. She changed into the left lane to pass the truck. Cop changed lanes as well. It starts raining really hard, so she slowed to 60. Cop pulls her over and writes a ticket for "obstructing traffic." She tells him that visibility was really bad because of the heavy rain. He says, "If you can't do the speed limit, stay out of the left lane." Then, my brother calls the cops, and they offer him pretty much the same deal Iggy got. Now, my brother's something of a wimp about such things. Had it been me, I would have had newspaper reporters at the trial. |
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On 2009-09-21, rangerssuck wrote:
Here's another one: My 20 year old niece was driving in the rain. Truck in front of her was doing 55 (speed limit was 65). Cop was behind her. She changed into the left lane to pass the truck. Cop changed lanes as well. It starts raining really hard, so she slowed to 60. Cop pulls her over and writes a ticket for "obstructing traffic." She tells him that visibility was really bad because of the heavy rain. He says, "If you can't do the speed limit, stay out of the left lane." Then, my brother calls the cops, and they offer him pretty much the same deal Iggy got. Now, my brother's something of a wimp about such things. Had it been me, I would have had newspaper reporters at the trial. Well, in my case, I clearly was in violation, so I do not object to the original ticket. What I felt was a little disconcerting, was the fact that they were willing to not report my violation in exchange for more $$$. In the case of "driving school", there is at least some fig leaf, but here, it is just "we will not report your crime if you give us money". Mind you, I actually prefer this outcome to having my ticket reported, but I think that it is a corrupt policy. i |
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"Ignoramus26236" wrote Well, in my case, I clearly was in violation, so I do not object to the original ticket. What I felt was a little disconcerting, was the fact that they were willing to not report my violation in exchange for more $$$. In the case of "driving school", there is at least some fig leaf, but here, it is just "we will not report your crime if you give us money". Mind you, I actually prefer this outcome to having my ticket reported, but I think that it is a corrupt policy. i Then make a big fuss, and be stopped every time you leave your driveway. It's ****ty, but that is the way it works. I have family that are POs. I could tell you some stories. Once you get on their list, there's no getting off. Right OR wrong. They can stop you if they want to, if there's probable cause or not. "Sir, we have a person who has been conducting burglaries in this area, and I notice you are carrying a large amount of things in your trailer. Would you like to step out and unload everything so I can look at it?" Sure, you may get it dismissed, or reduced, but now they got your number. Pay the fine, and watch the speedo from now on. They have made you an offer you can't refuse, pay some more and it doesn't go on your record. What are you going to do? 22 over? iggy .......! Steve |
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Mind you, I actually prefer this outcome to having my ticket reported, but I think that it is a corrupt policy. You're right, but when they got you by the balls, your heart and mind is sure to follow. Karl |
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On 2009-09-21, Karl Townsend wrote:
Mind you, I actually prefer this outcome to having my ticket reported, but I think that it is a corrupt policy. You're right, but when they got you by the balls, your heart and mind is sure to follow. My heart and mind followed my balls in ways that I now find regrettable... i |
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"Ignoramus26236" wrote in message ... On 2009-09-21, Karl Townsend wrote: Mind you, I actually prefer this outcome to having my ticket reported, but I think that it is a corrupt policy. You're right, but when they got you by the balls, your heart and mind is sure to follow. My heart and mind followed my balls in ways that I now find regrettable... i These rackets are infuriating, but just for the sake of perspective, and not to diminish them, this was once the way entire towns along the SE coast used to finance their government. There was one S.C. town in particular that was notorious. They ran a speed trap on Rt. 301, which, before I-95, was a main route south for NE snowbirds, and derived 100% of their municipal income from speeding tickets -- virtually all from northerners. The speed dropped from 50 mph to 30 mph right at the edge of town and you really couldn't see the sign. Cops would hide behind a billboard right next to the sign. The justice of the peace was open 24 hours/day and the only way you could stay out of jail was to pay cash -- lots of it. There was a Western Union office right inside the municipal police office -- no kidding. This was 'late '50s and early '60s. One of the town's merchants paid for a billboard around 1/2 mile north of town that said, roughly, "WARNING! Local parasites ahead. Slow down NOW to 30 mph, or they will rob you blind." Needless to say, it got a little hot for that guy until magazines all over America started covering the story. He got them to stop it, all by himself. -- Ed Huntress |
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Interesting traffic citation racket
Ignoramus26236 wrote:
On 2009-09-21, rangerssuck wrote: Here's another one: My 20 year old niece was driving in the rain. Truck in front of her was doing 55 (speed limit was 65). Cop was behind her. She changed into the left lane to pass the truck. Cop changed lanes as well. It starts raining really hard, so she slowed to 60. Cop pulls her over and writes a ticket for "obstructing traffic." She tells him that visibility was really bad because of the heavy rain. He says, "If you can't do the speed limit, stay out of the left lane." Then, my brother calls the cops, and they offer him pretty much the same deal Iggy got. Now, my brother's something of a wimp about such things. Had it been me, I would have had newspaper reporters at the trial. Well, in my case, I clearly was in violation, so I do not object to the original ticket. What I felt was a little disconcerting, was the fact that they were willing to not report my violation in exchange for more $$$. In the case of "driving school", there is at least some fig leaf, but here, it is just "we will not report your crime if you give us money". Mind you, I actually prefer this outcome to having my ticket reported, but I think that it is a corrupt policy. i |
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On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:51:36 -0500, Ignoramus26236
wrote: On 2009-09-21, rangerssuck wrote: Here's another one: My 20 year old niece was driving in the rain. Truck in front of her was doing 55 (speed limit was 65). Cop was behind her. She changed into the left lane to pass the truck. Cop changed lanes as well. It starts raining really hard, so she slowed to 60. Cop pulls her over and writes a ticket for "obstructing traffic." She tells him that visibility was really bad because of the heavy rain. He says, "If you can't do the speed limit, stay out of the left lane." Then, my brother calls the cops, and they offer him pretty much the same deal Iggy got. Now, my brother's something of a wimp about such things. Had it been me, I would have had newspaper reporters at the trial. Well, in my case, I clearly was in violation, so I do not object to the original ticket. What I felt was a little disconcerting, was the fact that they were willing to not report my violation in exchange for more $$$. In the case of "driving school", there is at least some fig leaf, but here, it is just "we will not report your crime if you give us money". Mind you, I actually prefer this outcome to having my ticket reported, but I think that it is a corrupt policy. Iggy: You live in Chicagoland, right? Ex post facto, it's well known as Corruption Central - Home of "Vote early and often." If you'd slipped $100 cash to the patrolman under your license, the response would be "Have a nice day, you may go now..." (Try that in California and the cop is hooking you up Right Now.) Folks, remember that most Windows Mobile devices will act as a really nice "wire" and will record audio as long as you have free memory. Set the recording bitrate and sensitivity and learn how to put it into Record now, before you are under duress. For a Palm Treo, you assign the option button on the side to "Notes" and then all you have to do is press the little Record red ball. 11,025 Khz mono should be plenty Let's see, divide 11 kb/s into 2GB gets you... If you have a way to prove this shakedown to a Judge (like, say a nice clear recording of a cop asking for a bribe...) you call the State AG or the FBI and start kicking butt and taking names. Suborning a bribe, falsification of official records, tax evasion ... (You don't honestly think he's going to list bribe money on his taxes, do you?) -- Bruce -- |
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On 2009-09-24, Bruce L Bergman wrote:
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:51:36 -0500, Ignoramus26236 wrote: On 2009-09-21, rangerssuck wrote: Here's another one: My 20 year old niece was driving in the rain. Truck in front of her was doing 55 (speed limit was 65). Cop was behind her. She changed into the left lane to pass the truck. Cop changed lanes as well. It starts raining really hard, so she slowed to 60. Cop pulls her over and writes a ticket for "obstructing traffic." She tells him that visibility was really bad because of the heavy rain. He says, "If you can't do the speed limit, stay out of the left lane." Then, my brother calls the cops, and they offer him pretty much the same deal Iggy got. Now, my brother's something of a wimp about such things. Had it been me, I would have had newspaper reporters at the trial. Well, in my case, I clearly was in violation, so I do not object to the original ticket. What I felt was a little disconcerting, was the fact that they were willing to not report my violation in exchange for more $$$. In the case of "driving school", there is at least some fig leaf, but here, it is just "we will not report your crime if you give us money". Mind you, I actually prefer this outcome to having my ticket reported, but I think that it is a corrupt policy. Iggy: You live in Chicagoland, right? Ex post facto, it's well known as Corruption Central - Home of "Vote early and often." If you'd slipped $100 cash to the patrolman under your license, the response would be "Have a nice day, you may go now..." (Try that in California and the cop is hooking you up Right Now.) Folks, remember that most Windows Mobile devices will act as a really nice "wire" and will record audio as long as you have free memory. Set the recording bitrate and sensitivity and learn how to put it into Record now, before you are under duress. For a Palm Treo, you assign the option button on the side to "Notes" and then all you have to do is press the little Record red ball. 11,025 Khz mono should be plenty Let's see, divide 11 kb/s into 2GB gets you... If you have a way to prove this shakedown to a Judge (like, say a nice clear recording of a cop asking for a bribe...) you call the State AG or the FBI and start kicking butt and taking names. Suborning a bribe, falsification of official records, tax evasion ... (You don't honestly think he's going to list bribe money on his taxes, do you?) I am 38 years old, never gave a bribe, and I am not about to start for no good reason. I do not think of myself as a unusually honest individual, I just do not like to give bribes. i |
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On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:00:53 -0500, Ignoramus8004
wrote: On 2009-09-24, Bruce L Bergman wrote: On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:51:36 -0500, Ignoramus26236 wrote: On 2009-09-21, rangerssuck wrote: Here's another one: My 20 year old niece was driving in the rain. Truck in front of her was doing 55 (speed limit was 65). Cop was behind her. She changed into the left lane to pass the truck. Cop changed lanes as well. It starts raining really hard, so she slowed to 60. Cop pulls her over and writes a ticket for "obstructing traffic." She tells him that visibility was really bad because of the heavy rain. He says, "If you can't do the speed limit, stay out of the left lane." Then, my brother calls the cops, and they offer him pretty much the same deal Iggy got. Now, my brother's something of a wimp about such things. Had it been me, I would have had newspaper reporters at the trial. She was following "Basic Speed Law" which is almost uyniversal between states - "driving no faster than safe for the existing road and traffic condtions." Classsic No Win Situation (ast the time), and you could probably argue that one with a judge and win in a courtroom. If she didn't slow down he could cite for Basic Speed Law simply by still going the speed limit in the driving rain where visibility was reduced and braking traction was nil - so she slowed down to a safe and reasonable speed... And the cop called it 'obstructing traffic' instead. Face it, the MFing cop was late to go off duty, and she was slowing him down in getting back to the police station, so she's getting a ticket for something. And since they'd never buy 'Spitting on the sidewalk'... Well, in my case, I clearly was in violation, so I do not object to the original ticket. What I felt was a little disconcerting, was the fact that they were willing to not report my violation in exchange for more $$$. Iggy: You live in Chicagoland, right? Ex post facto, it's well known as Corruption Central - Home of "Vote early and often." If you'd slipped $100 cash to the patrolman under your license, the response would be "Have a nice day, you may go now..." I am 38 years old, never gave a bribe, and I am not about to start for no good reason. I do not think of myself as a unusually honest individual, I just do not like to give bribes. Well, that's exactly what they did - they asked for a bribe to "make it all go away." And there's no sugar-coating it. If you go along with their offer and then they get caught (through no actions of yours), they could very easily turn it all around and make it out that YOU approached THEM with a bribe, and since they are the sworn officers who do you think gets the benefit of the doubt? Hint - it ain't you. You have to have your ass well covered. I would call a criminal lawyer for a consult Right Now, he might be joining you in court to contest the ticket on the merits - you might get the Judge to toss the ticke out if he learns about the little stunt the local Policeman's Benevolent Fund (IOW the Precinct Beer and Hookers slush fund) just tried to pull. Depending on the state laws, you might have "a friend" along as you go to pay the bribe and watch them tear up the ticket - whatever you do, do NOT tell them your 'friend' is a Lawyer or a State/Federal LEO and is there to serve as an unimpeachable witness to the bribery... -- Bruce -- |
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On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:07:07 -0500, Ignoramus26236 wrote:
This weekend, after delivering a bandsaw and a drill (metal content) to a buyer in a neighboring state, I was stopped and fined by police for driving 22 MPH over the speed limit. The reason for this is I was not paying attention and the road was rather empty. In any case, after posting the $130 fine, the officer told me that I can avoid having a driving violation posted on my record, and I need to talk to the chief of police. I called "the chief" today and he told that, no problem, I can avoid it on my record if they convert it to a "ordinance violation", with the fine for that beong $275 (over twice more). This is still better than having this ticket on my record, but I cannot help but feel that this "downgrade" process is just a way for that small town to shake down motorists. No ****, Sherlock! Cheers! Rich |
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"Ignoramus26236" wrote in message ... This weekend, after delivering a bandsaw and a drill (metal content) to a buyer in a neighboring state, I was stopped and fined by police for driving 22 MPH over the speed limit. The reason for this is I was not paying attention and the road was rather empty. In any case, after posting the $130 fine, the officer told me that I can avoid having a driving violation posted on my record, and I need to talk to the chief of police. I called "the chief" today and he told that, no problem, I can avoid it on my record if they convert it to a "ordinance violation", with the fine for that beong $275 (over twice more). This is still better than having this ticket on my record, but I cannot help but feel that this "downgrade" process is just a way for that small town to shake down motorists. Take the offer and run. Our $150 fine here in NJ turned into a $600 "conversion"... But the points and insurance surcharges would have made the $150 ticket a $1000 fine in the long run so it was worth it. Wife got pulled over last year doing 32 in a 25... Long, straight, empty road in the only town around here that has ZERO houses under $500,000 and absolutely no business presence at all. i.e. high end living... -- Regards, Joe Agro, Jr. (800) 871-5022 01.908.542.0244 Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com Production Tapping: http://Production-Tapping-Equipment.com/ Flagship Site: http://www.Drill-N-Tap.com VIDEOS: http://www.youtube.com/user/AutoDrill V8013-R |
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Ignoramus26236 wrote:
This weekend, after delivering a bandsaw and a drill (metal content) to a buyer in a neighboring state, I was stopped and fined by police for driving 22 MPH over the speed limit. The reason for this is I was not paying attention and the road was rather empty. In any case, after posting the $130 fine, the officer told me that I can avoid having a driving violation posted on my record, and I need to talk to the chief of police. I called "the chief" today and he told that, no problem, I can avoid it on my record if they convert it to a "ordinance violation", with the fine for that beong $275 (over twice more). This is still better than having this ticket on my record, but I cannot help but feel that this "downgrade" process is just a way for that small town to shake down motorists. I hope you are not under the quaint illusion that this is about public safety. It's always been about Revenue Enhancement. |
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"Ignoramus26236" wrote in message ... This weekend, after delivering a bandsaw and a drill (metal content) to a buyer in a neighboring state, I was stopped and fined by police for driving 22 MPH over the speed limit. The reason for this is I was not paying attention and the road was rather empty. In any case, after posting the $130 fine, the officer told me that I can avoid having a driving violation posted on my record, and I need to talk to the chief of police. I called "the chief" today and he told that, no problem, I can avoid it on my record if they convert it to a "ordinance violation", with the fine for that beong $275 (over twice more). This is still better than having this ticket on my record, but I cannot help but feel that this "downgrade" process is just a way for that small town to shake down motorists. i On the Interstate in Fabens, Texas, I was stopped by a cop coming the other direction on a curve with high bushes in the median. His lane was higher than mine, and he had the outside curve, so his radar would have been pointing out into space. He took my license and told me to follow him. I did. We went to a small town towards the Rio Grande. It looked like a set for "Fistful of Dollars". The "judge's office" was so small that there were two doors, a desk and three chairs. One could not walk around the desk, and he had to enter from the door on his side of the desk. The cop told his story. I told mine, mentioning the curve, and the trees and bushes. I was probably going 5 over at the time, but hey, a new Caddy with Nevada plates ............. GUILTY! Pay the fine. What if I wanted a trial? Pay the fine plus $250 as a guarantee that I would show up in court. I paid the fine, around $100, IIRC. NO CHECKS! CASH ONLY! I live in a small town that has FOUR overlapping jurisdictions. The main drag is 40mph, and I do 38. A way for small towns to shake down motorists? Pshaw! Surely you jest. We do have a very nice park, though. New night lighted baseball diamond. New statue in front of new city hall. All the police vehicles are less than a year old. Main drag just repaved and repainted. I think it's some of the stimulus money, myself. Steve |
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On 2009-09-21, SteveB wrote:
"Ignoramus26236" wrote in message ... This weekend, after delivering a bandsaw and a drill (metal content) to a buyer in a neighboring state, I was stopped and fined by police for driving 22 MPH over the speed limit. The reason for this is I was not paying attention and the road was rather empty. In any case, after posting the $130 fine, the officer told me that I can avoid having a driving violation posted on my record, and I need to talk to the chief of police. I called "the chief" today and he told that, no problem, I can avoid it on my record if they convert it to a "ordinance violation", with the fine for that beong $275 (over twice more). This is still better than having this ticket on my record, but I cannot help but feel that this "downgrade" process is just a way for that small town to shake down motorists. i On the Interstate in Fabens, Texas, I was stopped by a cop coming the other direction on a curve with high bushes in the median. His lane was higher than mine, and he had the outside curve, so his radar would have been pointing out into space. He took my license and told me to follow him. I did. We went to a small town towards the Rio Grande. It looked like a set for "Fistful of Dollars". The "judge's office" was so small that there were two doors, a desk and three chairs. One could not walk around the desk, and he had to enter from the door on his side of the desk. The cop told his story. I told mine, mentioning the curve, and the trees and bushes. I was probably going 5 over at the time, but hey, a new Caddy with Nevada plates ............ GUILTY! Pay the fine. What if I wanted a trial? Pay the fine plus $250 as a guarantee that I would show up in court. I paid the fine, around $100, IIRC. NO CHECKS! CASH ONLY! I live in a small town that has FOUR overlapping jurisdictions. The main drag is 40mph, and I do 38. A way for small towns to shake down motorists? Pshaw! Surely you jest. We do have a very nice park, though. New night lighted baseball diamond. New statue in front of new city hall. All the police vehicles are less than a year old. Main drag just repaved and repainted. I think it's some of the stimulus money, myself. Yep. I can easily visualize your story. I always try to carry at least $1,000.00 on me just in case. i |
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On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:23:40 -0500, Ignoramus26236
wrote: On 2009-09-21, SteveB wrote: "Ignoramus26236" wrote in message ... This weekend, after delivering a bandsaw and a drill (metal content) to a buyer in a neighboring state, I was stopped and fined by police for driving 22 MPH over the speed limit. The reason for this is I was not paying attention and the road was rather empty. In any case, after posting the $130 fine, the officer told me that I can avoid having a driving violation posted on my record, and I need to talk to the chief of police. I called "the chief" today and he told that, no problem, I can avoid it on my record if they convert it to a "ordinance violation", with the fine for that beong $275 (over twice more). This is still better than having this ticket on my record, but I cannot help but feel that this "downgrade" process is just a way for that small town to shake down motorists. i On the Interstate in Fabens, Texas, I was stopped by a cop coming the other direction on a curve with high bushes in the median. His lane was higher than mine, and he had the outside curve, so his radar would have been pointing out into space. He took my license and told me to follow him. I did. We went to a small town towards the Rio Grande. It looked like a set for "Fistful of Dollars". The "judge's office" was so small that there were two doors, a desk and three chairs. One could not walk around the desk, and he had to enter from the door on his side of the desk. The cop told his story. I told mine, mentioning the curve, and the trees and bushes. I was probably going 5 over at the time, but hey, a new Caddy with Nevada plates ............ GUILTY! Pay the fine. What if I wanted a trial? Pay the fine plus $250 as a guarantee that I would show up in court. I paid the fine, around $100, IIRC. NO CHECKS! CASH ONLY! I live in a small town that has FOUR overlapping jurisdictions. The main drag is 40mph, and I do 38. A way for small towns to shake down motorists? Pshaw! Surely you jest. We do have a very nice park, though. New night lighted baseball diamond. New statue in front of new city hall. All the police vehicles are less than a year old. Main drag just repaved and repainted. I think it's some of the stimulus money, myself. Yep. I can easily visualize your story. I always try to carry at least $1,000.00 on me just in case. i Now THAT, I wouldn't have posted online. Pete Keillor |
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Ignoramus26236 wrote:
Yep. I can easily visualize your story. I always try to carry at least $1,000.00 on me just in case. Great, now you fit the profile of a drug dealer Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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On Sep 21, 4:23*pm, Ignoramus26236 ignoramus26...@NOSPAM.
26236.invalid wrote: On 2009-09-21, SteveB wrote: "Ignoramus26236" wrote in message m... This weekend, after delivering a bandsaw and a drill (metal content) to a buyer in a neighboring state, I was stopped and fined by police for driving 22 MPH over the speed limit. The reason for this is I was not paying attention and the road was rather empty. In any case, after posting the $130 fine, the officer told me that I can avoid having a driving violation posted on my record, and I need to talk to the chief of police. I called "the chief" today and he told that, no problem, I can avoid it on my record if they convert it to a "ordinance violation", with the fine for that beong $275 (over twice more). This is still better than having this ticket on my record, but I cannot help but feel that this "downgrade" process is just a way for that small town to shake down motorists. i On the Interstate in Fabens, Texas, I was stopped by a cop coming the other direction on a curve with high bushes in the median. *His lane was higher than mine, and he had the outside curve, so his radar would have been pointing out into space. *He took my license and told me to follow him. *I did. *We went to a small town towards the Rio Grande. *It looked like a set for "Fistful of Dollars". *The "judge's office" was so small that there were two doors, a desk and three chairs. *One could not walk around the desk, and he had to enter from the door on his side of the desk. *The cop told his story. *I told mine, mentioning the curve, and the trees and bushes. *I was probably going 5 over at the time, but hey, a new Caddy with Nevada plates ............ GUILTY! *Pay the fine. *What if I wanted a trial? *Pay the fine plus $250 as a guarantee that I would show up in court. *I paid the fine, around $100, IIRC. *NO CHECKS! *CASH ONLY! I live in a small town that has FOUR overlapping jurisdictions. *The main drag is 40mph, and I do 38. *A way for small towns to shake down motorists? Pshaw! *Surely you jest. We do have a very nice park, though. *New night lighted baseball diamond. New statue in front of new city hall. *All the police vehicles are less than a year old. *Main drag just repaved and repainted. *I think it's some of the stimulus money, myself. Yep. I can easily visualize your story. I always try to carry at least $1,000.00 on me just in case. i That in itself would raise suspicion, and it might even get confiscated in some areas. Dave |
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On 2009-09-21, XR650L_Dave wrote:
That in itself would raise suspicion, and it might even get confiscated in some areas. Well, first of all, it is in my pocket, so I would need to be searched for the money to be found. I did read an outstanding article a few months ago, about police in Texas essentially robbing black drivers if they found cash on them. I believe that it was in New York Times. The town that was doing this is now being sued. I hope that the lawyers and plaintiffs take as much as possible. All in all, I consider it to be unlikely to happen to myself, and just accept the small risk. The upside is that I have cash on hand should opportunities arise. The return on that $1,000 is very decent. i |
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On Sep 21, 2:45*pm, Ignoramus26236 ignoramus26...@NOSPAM.
26236.invalid wrote: On 2009-09-21, XR650L_Dave wrote: That in itself would raise suspicion, and it might even get confiscated in some areas. Well, first of all, it is in my pocket, so I would need to be searched for the money to be found. I did read an outstanding article a few months ago, about police in Texas essentially robbing black drivers if they found cash on them. I believe that it was in New York Times. The town that was doing this is now being sued. I hope that the lawyers and plaintiffs take as much as possible. All in all, I consider it to be unlikely to happen to myself, and just accept the small risk. The upside is that I have cash on hand should opportunities arise. The return on that $1,000 is very decent. i Florida used to do the same thing but they weren't racist, they took everyones money. They liked to hit jewelers on the way to the jewelry shows since they carried cash. Karl |
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Ignoramus26236 wrote:
On 2009-09-21, XR650L_Dave wrote: That in itself would raise suspicion, and it might even get confiscated in some areas. Well, first of all, it is in my pocket, so I would need to be searched for the money to be found. I did read an outstanding article a few months ago, about police in Texas essentially robbing black drivers if they found cash on them. I believe that it was in New York Times. The town that was doing this is now being sued. I hope that the lawyers and plaintiffs take as much as possible. Me too. this practice was not uncommon after they passed drug proceeds forfeiture laws giving LEO carte blanche to confiscate any cash, vehicles, real estate or other property if drugs were present. It took several years before restrictions were passed to tone this down, but it's still abused. |
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On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 19:45:01 -0500, Ignoramus26236 wrote:
On 2009-09-21, XR650L_Dave wrote: That in itself would raise suspicion, and it might even get confiscated in some areas. Well, first of all, it is in my pocket, so I would need to be searched for the money to be found. I did read an outstanding article a few months ago, about police in Texas essentially robbing black drivers if they found cash on them. I believe that it was in New York Times. The town that was doing this is now being sued. I hope that the lawyers and plaintiffs take as much as possible. All in all, I consider it to be unlikely to happen to myself, and just accept the small risk. The upside is that I have cash on hand should opportunities arise. The return on that $1,000 is very decent. How good are you at spoken English? What color is your hair? Do you wear a beard? Just curious - you can't be too careful, with all that "terrorist" profiling going on. ;-) Cheers! Rich |
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Ignoramus26236 wrote:
On 2009-09-21, XR650L_Dave wrote: That in itself would raise suspicion, and it might even get confiscated in some areas. Well, first of all, it is in my pocket, so I would need to be searched for the money to be found. Are we supposed to believe that a big talker isn't going to say something really stupid and incrimminating to a cop and then get busted for all sorts of bogus stuff? |
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"Ignoramus26236" wrote in message ... On 2009-09-21, SteveB wrote: "Ignoramus26236" wrote in message ... This weekend, after delivering a bandsaw and a drill (metal content) to a buyer in a neighboring state, I was stopped and fined by police for driving 22 MPH over the speed limit. The reason for this is I was not paying attention and the road was rather empty. In any case, after posting the $130 fine, the officer told me that I can avoid having a driving violation posted on my record, and I need to talk to the chief of police. I called "the chief" today and he told that, no problem, I can avoid it on my record if they convert it to a "ordinance violation", with the fine for that beong $275 (over twice more). This is still better than having this ticket on my record, but I cannot help but feel that this "downgrade" process is just a way for that small town to shake down motorists. i On the Interstate in Fabens, Texas, I was stopped by a cop coming the other direction on a curve with high bushes in the median. His lane was higher than mine, and he had the outside curve, so his radar would have been pointing out into space. He took my license and told me to follow him. I did. We went to a small town towards the Rio Grande. It looked like a set for "Fistful of Dollars". The "judge's office" was so small that there were two doors, a desk and three chairs. One could not walk around the desk, and he had to enter from the door on his side of the desk. The cop told his story. I told mine, mentioning the curve, and the trees and bushes. I was probably going 5 over at the time, but hey, a new Caddy with Nevada plates ............ GUILTY! Pay the fine. What if I wanted a trial? Pay the fine plus $250 as a guarantee that I would show up in court. I paid the fine, around $100, IIRC. NO CHECKS! CASH ONLY! I live in a small town that has FOUR overlapping jurisdictions. The main drag is 40mph, and I do 38. A way for small towns to shake down motorists? Pshaw! Surely you jest. We do have a very nice park, though. New night lighted baseball diamond. New statue in front of new city hall. All the police vehicles are less than a year old. Main drag just repaved and repainted. I think it's some of the stimulus money, myself. Yep. I can easily visualize your story. I always try to carry at least $1,000.00 on me just in case. i Sure was glad I had cash that day. I just wanted to get the hell out of there. If that was the courthouse, I could imagine how big the jail was. Probably the size of a phone booth, and with my luck, I'd be locked with three drunk Mexicans for the weekend. Steve |
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On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:23:40 -0500, Ignoramus26236 wrote:
I always try to carry at least $1,000.00 on me just in case. Just keep a $100.00 bill between your license and registration. Hand all three to the cop simultaneously, and let him find the $100. If he says, "What's this, some kind of bribe?" you say, "What, are you kidding? A hundred bucks? Here - here's a thousand." (of course, that would depend on the severity of the charge. ;-) ) Cheers! Rich |
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"Rich Grise" wrote in message news On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:23:40 -0500, Ignoramus26236 wrote: I always try to carry at least $1,000.00 on me just in case. Just keep a $100.00 bill between your license and registration. Hand all three to the cop simultaneously, and let him find the $100. If he says, "What's this, some kind of bribe?" you say, "What, are you kidding? A hundred bucks? Here - here's a thousand." (of course, that would depend on the severity of the charge. ;-) ) Cheers! Rich I always keep a C note stashed in my wallet, and it has helped me out more than once. Not in those situations, but the brainfart moments when I leave my money at home. I haven't carried ALL my money in my billfold since I was sixteen and lost my wallet. Now, my cash is in my left front pocket. I may lose my wallet, but I'm going to have at least SOME money to get home. Steve |
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On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:23:40 -0500, the infamous Ignoramus26236
scrawled the following: On 2009-09-21, SteveB wrote: "Ignoramus26236" wrote in message ... This weekend, after delivering a bandsaw and a drill (metal content) to a buyer in a neighboring state, I was stopped and fined by police for driving 22 MPH over the speed limit. The reason for this is I was not paying attention and the road was rather empty. In any case, after posting the $130 fine, the officer told me that I can avoid having a driving violation posted on my record, and I need to talk to the chief of police. I called "the chief" today and he told that, no problem, I can avoid it on my record if they convert it to a "ordinance violation", with the fine for that beong $275 (over twice more). This is still better than having this ticket on my record, but I cannot help but feel that this "downgrade" process is just a way for that small town to shake down motorists. i On the Interstate in Fabens, Texas, I was stopped by a cop coming the other direction on a curve with high bushes in the median. His lane was higher than mine, and he had the outside curve, so his radar would have been pointing out into space. He took my license and told me to follow him. I did. We went to a small town towards the Rio Grande. It looked like a set for "Fistful of Dollars". The "judge's office" was so small that there were two doors, a desk and three chairs. One could not walk around the desk, and he had to enter from the door on his side of the desk. The cop told his story. I told mine, mentioning the curve, and the trees and bushes. I was probably going 5 over at the time, but hey, a new Caddy with Nevada plates ............ GUILTY! Pay the fine. What if I wanted a trial? Pay the fine plus $250 as a guarantee that I would show up in court. I paid the fine, around $100, IIRC. NO CHECKS! CASH ONLY! I live in a small town that has FOUR overlapping jurisdictions. The main drag is 40mph, and I do 38. A way for small towns to shake down motorists? Pshaw! Surely you jest. We do have a very nice park, though. New night lighted baseball diamond. New statue in front of new city hall. All the police vehicles are less than a year old. Main drag just repaved and repainted. I think it's some of the stimulus money, myself. Yep. I can easily visualize your story. I always try to carry at least $1,000.00 on me just in case. And the next time you get stopped and frisked, they'll send you to jail for either pimping or drug dealing. "Law-abiding citizens just don't have that kind of money on them." they say. -- The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are composed entirely of lost airline luggage. --Mark Russell |
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In the Twin Cities we had A Drug Crimes Task Force that was recently
shut down when some of its members were found shaking down suspected "drug" dealers. The state auditors found 18 grand unaccounted for,seized cars that disappeared and big screen TV's that grew legs and appeared in cops rec rooms. This was A multi-agency task force and 5 or 6 are (or have recently retired) from the department I work for. Last year we had A cop named Rehak popped for stealing around 7 grand when he failed a FBI integrity test. He's doing time in A federal can in So. Carolina. Looks like he might have company if any of those cars show up out of state! H.R. |
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About 1980, I was going west with a buddy across Montana, I was in the passenger seat. No visible traffic. I see a car approaching ahead and tell Ray to slow down, he was doing 85-90 mph. The patrol car was slowing as we passed and it crossed the median, turned on the lights and pulled us over. The LEO explained about the speed limit being 55 mph and said he was going to write us a ticket and collect an appearance bond to make sure we were in Deer Lodge to face justice in 3 weeks. If we didn't show, the bond would be used as fine. $5 bond... Seems the double nickel wasn't popular in spread out Montana, not even with the cops. David |
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On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:30:39 -0500, David R.Birch wrote:
About 1980, I was going west with a buddy across Montana, I was in the passenger seat. No visible traffic. I see a car approaching ahead and tell Ray to slow down, he was doing 85-90 mph. The patrol car was slowing as we passed and it crossed the median, turned on the lights and pulled us over. The LEO explained about the speed limit being 55 mph and said he was going to write us a ticket and collect an appearance bond to make sure we were in Deer Lodge to face justice in 3 weeks. If we didn't show, the bond would be used as fine. $5 bond... Seems the double nickel wasn't popular in spread out Montana, not even with the cops. This is the first time I've heard that Montana even _had_ speed limits. Cheers! Rich |
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On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:34:59 -0700, the infamous Rich Grise
scrawled the following: On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:30:39 -0500, David R.Birch wrote: About 1980, I was going west with a buddy across Montana, I was in the passenger seat. No visible traffic. I see a car approaching ahead and tell Ray to slow down, he was doing 85-90 mph. The patrol car was slowing as we passed and it crossed the median, turned on the lights and pulled us over. The LEO explained about the speed limit being 55 mph and said he was going to write us a ticket and collect an appearance bond to make sure we were in Deer Lodge to face justice in 3 weeks. If we didn't show, the bond would be used as fine. $5 bond... Seems the double nickel wasn't popular in spread out Montana, not even with the cops. This is the first time I've heard that Montana even _had_ speed limits. Feds said "No speed limits, no federal highway funds.", so they put 'em in. 75 and 80 for awhile. -- The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are composed entirely of lost airline luggage. --Mark Russell |
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On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:01:06 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:34:59 -0700, the infamous Rich Grise This is the first time I've heard that Montana even _had_ speed limits. Feds said "No speed limits, no federal highway funds.", so they put 'em in. 75 and 80 for awhile. This is another thing that ****es me off about the Fed. There shouldn't _be_ any "federal highway funds" - it should have been left in the hands of the ones that create the wealth, namely the individuals that actually pay for the roads. All that's needed for a federal "highway department" is a map room, in the reference section of the library. But NOOOooooo!. The Fed steals your money and then blackmails you with the money they've stolen from you. That sucks. Thanks, Rich |
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On Sep 21, 2:07*pm, Ignoramus26236 ignoramus26...@NOSPAM.
26236.invalid wrote: This weekend, after delivering a bandsaw and a drill (metal content) to a buyer in a neighboring state, I was stopped and fined by police for driving 22 MPH over the speed limit. The reason for this is I was not paying attention and the road was rather empty. In any case, after posting the $130 fine, the officer told me that I can avoid having a driving violation posted on my record, and I need to talk to the chief of police. I called "the chief" today and he told that, no problem, I can avoid it on my record if they convert it to a "ordinance violation", with the fine for that beong $275 (over twice more). This is still better than having this ticket on my record, but I cannot help but feel that this "downgrade" process is just a way for that small town to shake down motorists. i Wish I had that option. Got nailed by a statie for 16 over in a 55 on sunday. On my way to church. Dave |
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