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Grinding wheel question
A guy on ebay has grinding wheels I can use. They are A24P4B.
Usually I run A60-L6-V32 What is the difference? How will these do? I ust them for general purpose on a heavy duty pedistal type grinder. Bob |
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On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:21:16 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote: A guy on ebay has grinding wheels I can use. They are A24P4B. Usually I run A60-L6-V32 What is the difference? How will these do? I ust them for general purpose on a heavy duty pedistal type grinder. Bob A24P4B A - Aluminum Oxide 24 - 24 grit P - relative hardness (on a scale of A to Z) Try http://www.georgiagrindingwheel.com/...asics.htm#faq1 for details. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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"Bob" wrote in message ... A guy on ebay has grinding wheels I can use. They are A24P4B. Usually I run A60-L6-V32 What is the difference? How will these do? I ust them for general purpose on a heavy duty pedistal type grinder. Bob The designation of those wheels indicates they are aluminum oxide, 24 grit, P hardness, 4 structure (indicating the abrasive bits are close together) and that the wheels are resinoid bonded. You could expect them to be slow to shed abrasive as they dull, and to hold up well, although they may not grind real well because they are so hard and dense. Depends on your application, really. If you grind mild steel regularly (weld shop, for example), they may work quite well on a large pedestal grinder. Sorry, can't provide any more info, I've never used a wheel that coarse, nor that hard. Harold |
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I ain't no expert, but it seems to me that there's quite a bit of
difference between the P and the L hardness. As previously mentioned, the harder they are, the less they shed grains and present new, sharp grains to the workpiece. I'll bet the guy either has an overstock of something that didn't sell well or he bought them and doesn't want to use them. I use L or M on my surface grinder. I listen for loading down of the spindle motor and for the sparks to turn a little redder to tell me it's time to dress (I'm grinding anvils mostly, and hogging for all its worth). If you could buy one and try it, that'd be best. I'd think that for general use on a pedestal grinder that you'd want a softer wheel so you didn't have to dress as often. I have never used a wheel that coarse either, but I have used 24 and 36 grit disks on my angle grinders from time to time. Pete Stanaitis -------------- Bob wrote: A guy on ebay has grinding wheels I can use. They are A24P4B. Usually I run A60-L6-V32 What is the difference? How will these do? I ust them for general purpose on a heavy duty pedistal type grinder. Bob |
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Thank you guys. I ended up buying them. I am optimistic that they
will work out. The coarse grit will be good for sharpenening mower blades (mine and neighbors), which is a frequent activity this time of the year. Bob |
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"Bob" wrote in message ... Thank you guys. I ended up buying them. I am optimistic that they will work out. The coarse grit will be good for sharpenening mower blades (mine and neighbors), which is a frequent activity this time of the year. Bob Luck! I expect they'll be too hard for that job, but I could be wrong. Mower blades are heat treated to some degree, so a softer wheel would be desirable, not only for faster and easier cutting, but to prevent annealing the blade. One thing that will make them behave softer is to run them under recommended speed. That's the nature of grinding wheels. Harold |
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On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:41:52 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote: Thank you guys. I ended up buying them. I am optimistic that they will work out. The coarse grit will be good for sharpenening mower blades (mine and neighbors), which is a frequent activity this time of the year. Bob You might want to try sharpening those blades with an angle grinder if you have one. I clamp my mower blades down to a table outside with the beveled side up and have at it. Much, much nicer being able to see exactly what you are doing that way. The plastic nose cone off from the larger fireworks rockets works good for balancing blades too. Pound maybe a three inch nail into a block of wood nice and straight. Nip the head off and dress to a dull point, place cone over nail, place blade on cone. My home brew job works better than the similar model I bought for blades, which is none too sensitive. -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b Remove no.spam for email |
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How about fluid colling the grind vs. dry and high heat.
What do you suggest for lawn mower blades ? I'd have to make a jig - but that is just some of the fun. Martin Harold and Susan Vordos wrote: "Bob" wrote in message ... Thank you guys. I ended up buying them. I am optimistic that they will work out. The coarse grit will be good for sharpenening mower blades (mine and neighbors), which is a frequent activity this time of the year. Bob Luck! I expect they'll be too hard for that job, but I could be wrong. Mower blades are heat treated to some degree, so a softer wheel would be desirable, not only for faster and easier cutting, but to prevent annealing the blade. One thing that will make them behave softer is to run them under recommended speed. That's the nature of grinding wheels. Harold |
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"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote in message ... How about fluid colling the grind vs. dry and high heat. What do you suggest for lawn mower blades ? I would expect they are nothing more than medium carbon steel, so over heating can result in annealing. Keeping the material below 375 degrees F is a good idea. You'll find that the edge heats quickly due to the lack of mass, a condition that is exacerbated with a hard and dense wheel. Coolant can be quite useful, but even with a light spray you can over-heat the edge. Watch for discoloration. It's a sign of a loaded or dull wheel, or one that is too hard for the material. If you see anything beyond a straw color develop, I'd be concerned were it my project. Harold |
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Actually the ones I use are very hard material. I have to grind not drill a hole.
Martin Harold and Susan Vordos wrote: "Martin H. Eastburn" wrote in message ... How about fluid colling the grind vs. dry and high heat. What do you suggest for lawn mower blades ? I would expect they are nothing more than medium carbon steel, so over heating can result in annealing. Keeping the material below 375 degrees F is a good idea. You'll find that the edge heats quickly due to the lack of mass, a condition that is exacerbated with a hard and dense wheel. Coolant can be quite useful, but even with a light spray you can over-heat the edge. Watch for discoloration. It's a sign of a loaded or dull wheel, or one that is too hard for the material. If you see anything beyond a straw color develop, I'd be concerned were it my project. Harold |
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"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote in message ... Actually the ones I use are very hard material. I have to grind not drill a hole. Martin Doesn't make any difference. Almost all steel alloys are heat treated by the carbon cycle, so they behave very much the same. Precipitation hardening alloys are a different matter, but I can't imagine they'd use one of them for a lawn mower blade. There would be no benefits that couldn't be reaped from carbon steel, which is the least expensive material to use. By the way, if the blade(s) truly are too hard to drill, that's all the more reason to use a soft wheel. Hard material and hard wheels are a terrible combination, sure to grind slow and very hot. I'm curios what kind of lawn mower you're talking about. I have a JD rider lawn mower---with double blades. They are easily sharpened with a file, assuming that's your choice. Blades that are so hard that they won't file (or drill) are subject to shattering when they hit hard objects. They may appear hard to drill, but I dare say you can drill them with a cobalt drill. You just have to know how to use it. Hand drilling is likely beyond possibility. Harold |
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Harold,
I mow with a Toro 325 Groundsmaster. It has 3 - 25 in blades. They are about 3/8 in thick and hold up remarkably well. I can get by with only one or maybe two sharpenings per season. The wheels arrived and look good. I'll put one on next time I need a new one and see how it does. Bob |
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"Bob" wrote in message ... Harold, I mow with a Toro 325 Groundsmaster. It has 3 - 25 in blades. They are about 3/8 in thick and hold up remarkably well. I can get by with only one or maybe two sharpenings per season. The wheels arrived and look good. I'll put one on next time I need a new one and see how it does. Bob It will be interesting to hear of your results. Thanks for keeping us in mind. Harold |
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