"Hawke" wrote in message
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"When you read behind it," Panetta said, "it's almost as if he's
wishing that
this country would be attacked again, in order to make his point. I
think that's
dangerous politics."
]

"I hope my old friend Leon was misquoted. The important thing is
whether the Obama administration will continue the policies that have
kept us safe for the last eight years." -Dick Cheney

Such as torturing out confessions of "WMDs" in Iraq so as
to start those much-wanted wars .... (without which both
herr shrubbie & SureShot would have been impeached by
the end of their second year in office).
9-11 was REAL handy !!!
--
Cliff


The wingers are always bragging that the Bush administration kept us safe
for the last eight years. But then, does anyone know if bin Laden and al
Qaeda actually initiated any actual attacks against us since 9/11? Or was
the one all al Qaeda really tried? Point is, since we don't know if al
Qaeda
even tried again how can anyone say they were successful at keeping us
safe?
If no attacks were attempted you can't say you were successful at stopping
attacks that never were attempted. That doesn't stop Cheney from taking
credit though even if nothing he did actually had any effect.

The other thing the wingers never mention is that after the 1st attack on
the WTC in 1993, when Clinton was in office, there were no more attacks in
this country either. So you could say whatever Clinton did between the
1993
attack and the end of his presidency he kept us safe too, but he didn't
have
to resort to torture or starting wars to do it. Funny thing though, I
never
hear republicans giving Clinton credit for keeping us safe for eight
years,
only for Bush/Cheney. Clinton kept us safe here for eight years too but
not
one word about how good a job he did. Not a surprise.

Hawke



when cheney talks on tv i wonder why people don't realize "the absence of
evidence is not evidence of absence". just because there were no attacks
does not mean his administration had anything to do with it.

i never heard that argument before, clinton "keeping us safe". wow. lol.
good one. no, really, i mean, as a reply to bush administration supporters.
hysterical. wow, "bill clinton kept us safe from terrorist attacks"! lol!

seemed obvious to me when cheney spoke a couple weeks ago about obama moving
in the wrong direction it was political posturing, setting the groundwork
for the day when there is another attack for republicans to gain political
advantage, really, almost as if he was HOPING for an attack.

b.w.

On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 03:13:26 -0500, "William Wixon"
wrote:

seemed obvious to me when cheney spoke a couple weeks ago about obama moving
in the wrong direction it was political posturing, setting the groundwork
for the day when there is another attack for republicans to gain political
advantage, really, almost as if he was HOPING for an attack.

b.w.

you mean Obamassiah ISNT moving in the wrong direction and isnt leaving
us open for another attack?

Odd...when the US is broke, bankrupt and has turned into a red section
and a lame, starving blue section comprised of screaming ignorant
buffoons..Ill bet the attacks really start hammering home.

Gunner

"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

Gunner Asch wrote:

[snip]

"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

But what the Islamists want is a holy war. They want to die in Jihad,
and maybe take some enemy with them. So, what Cheney recommends is that
we provide them with what they want, confrontation. At the cost of
thousands of US military lives. In effect, his policies are appeasing
fanatical Muslims.

Lets deny them the very thing they crave by refusing to fight.

--
Paul Hovnanian
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Marching to a different kettle of fish.

On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:46:57 -0800, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:

[snip]

"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

But what the Islamists want is a holy war. They want to die in Jihad,
and maybe take some enemy with them. So, what Cheney recommends is that
we provide them with what they want, confrontation. At the cost of
thousands of US military lives. In effect, his policies are appeasing
fanatical Muslims.

Lets deny them the very thing they crave by refusing to fight.


so let the rag heads line up..and we nuke em.

Gunner

"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

Let the Record show that "Paul Hovnanian P.E." on
or about Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:46:57 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
Gunner Asch wrote:

[snip]

"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

But what the Islamists want is a holy war. They want to die in Jihad,
and maybe take some enemy with them. So, what Cheney recommends is that
we provide them with what they want, confrontation. At the cost of
thousands of US military lives. In effect, his policies are appeasing
fanatical Muslims.

Lets deny them the very thing they crave by refusing to fight.

Suppose they gave a war, and nobody came?
Why then, the war would come to you.


have a nice dhimmmitude.

pyotr




-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:03:01 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Let the Record show that "Paul Hovnanian P.E." on
or about Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:46:57 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
Gunner Asch wrote:

[snip]

"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

But what the Islamists want is a holy war. They want to die in Jihad,
and maybe take some enemy with them. So, what Cheney recommends is that
we provide them with what they want, confrontation. At the cost of
thousands of US military lives. In effect, his policies are appeasing
fanatical Muslims.

Lets deny them the very thing they crave by refusing to fight.

Suppose they gave a war, and nobody came?
Why then, the war would come to you.


have a nice dhimmmitude.

Its fascinating how some people like Paul simply dont have a grasp of
Real Life.

One supposes that he lives in a gated community and has a minder.
Most folks with his world view when out in public without a
minder..sooner or later wander in front of a bus and are killed.

pyotr




-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno