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I made two enquiries about different pieces of equipment sold currently by
Canadian Tire and listed on their web site with their customer services. On
both occasions I was directed to the same telephone number, supposedly the
"manufacturer". The phone is answered as "Mastercraft" which is one of the
Canadian Tire trade marks. If you follow the menu and enter the product
number you are directed to the specific make of the tool (Jobmate or
Mastercraft again).

On both occasions I was told the same thing: "We have no information on this
product". When enquiring how it is possible that a "manufacturer" has no
idea about the product it manufactures I was told that both companies
stopped dealing with Canadian Tire or words to that effect.

The telephone number (as I found later but already suspected) is nothing to
do with manufacturing: It belongs to a company called "Global Sourcing" whom
I suspect to be essentially Chinese importers. I further suspect that it is
unlikely that *two* manufacturers in China would have gone out of business
(unless of course Canadian Tire stopped paying them for their goods -
another matter entirely). So does Canadian Tire import from a single
manufacturer and re-label their stuff locally: Cheap stuff is Jobmate,
slightly more expensive stuff is Mastercraft?

So what does it mean for the corporation or for the consumer? I for one
would be extremely wary of buying anything from them that might need spare
parts in future. Having said that, their return policy has so far been
excellent. Generally, however, I ask for money back, not for a replacement.
I wonder how that will go now?

Has anyone in the US noticed a similar problem with Chinese importers?

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On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 17:11:20 -0700, "Michael Koblic"
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I made two enquiries about different pieces of equipment sold currently by
Canadian Tire and listed on their web site with their customer services. On
both occasions I was directed to the same telephone number, supposedly the
"manufacturer". The phone is answered as "Mastercraft" which is one of the
Canadian Tire trade marks. If you follow the menu and enter the product
number you are directed to the specific make of the tool (Jobmate or
Mastercraft again).

On both occasions I was told the same thing: "We have no information on this
product". When enquiring how it is possible that a "manufacturer" has no
idea about the product it manufactures I was told that both companies
stopped dealing with Canadian Tire or words to that effect.

The telephone number (as I found later but already suspected) is nothing to
do with manufacturing: It belongs to a company called "Global Sourcing" whom
I suspect to be essentially Chinese importers. I further suspect that it is
unlikely that *two* manufacturers in China would have gone out of business
(unless of course Canadian Tire stopped paying them for their goods -
another matter entirely). So does Canadian Tire import from a single
manufacturer and re-label their stuff locally: Cheap stuff is Jobmate,
slightly more expensive stuff is Mastercraft?

So what does it mean for the corporation or for the consumer? I for one
would be extremely wary of buying anything from them that might need spare
parts in future. Having said that, their return policy has so far been
excellent. Generally, however, I ask for money back, not for a replacement.
I wonder how that will go now?

Has anyone in the US noticed a similar problem with Chinese importers?



Canadian tire is in pretty good shape, but in attempting to compete
with WallMart they have gone to multiple offshore suppliers to make
their "brand name" stuff. The "suppliers" are hole-in-the-wall
operations that just broker goods - don't know SQUAT about the
products, generally speaking
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I made two enquiries about different pieces of equipment sold currently by
Canadian Tire and listed on their web site with their customer services. On
both occasions I was directed to the same telephone number, supposedly the
"manufacturer". The phone is answered as "Mastercraft" which is one of the
Canadian Tire trade marks. If you follow the menu and enter the product
number you are directed to the specific make of the tool (Jobmate or
Mastercraft again).

On both occasions I was told the same thing: "We have no information on this
product". When enquiring how it is possible that a "manufacturer" has no
idea about the product it manufactures I was told that both companies
stopped dealing with Canadian Tire or words to that effect.

The telephone number (as I found later but already suspected) is nothing to
do with manufacturing: It belongs to a company called "Global Sourcing" whom
I suspect to be essentially Chinese importers. I further suspect that it is
unlikely that *two* manufacturers in China would have gone out of business
(unless of course Canadian Tire stopped paying them for their goods -
another matter entirely). So does Canadian Tire import from a single
manufacturer and re-label their stuff locally: Cheap stuff is Jobmate,
slightly more expensive stuff is Mastercraft?

So what does it mean for the corporation or for the consumer? I for one
would be extremely wary of buying anything from them that might need spare
parts in future. Having said that, their return policy has so far been
excellent. Generally, however, I ask for money back, not for a replacement.
I wonder how that will go now?

Has anyone in the US noticed a similar problem with Chinese importers?

Where do you think the nickname Crappy Tire came from, or have you
never heard that on the left side of the country?
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada
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Where do you think the nickname Crappy Tire came from, or have you
never heard that on the left side of the country?


Half of the stuff I bought from them I returned for refund. The other half
is doing a good job.
However...

The concept of customer service not extending beyond giving you the money
back if you bring the purchased item back within 10 days is a new one to me
(to my mind the 1 year warranty and the "special" warranty -whatever that
means - must now be questionable.) So is the concept of the
shop/supplier/"manufacturer" not having a clue about their product. I have
called their Corporate Customer Relations (sounds grand, does it not?) and
spoke to a lady who was clearly unaware of what was going on and gave me -
the phone number of Global Sourcing! After I gave her the facts of life she
took my phone number and promised to get back to me. I am not holding my
breath.

I hate to slag off Canada but some of the business practices here do not
compare favourably with those of equivalent establishments down south:

1) Compare Harbor Freight (with its poor reputation amongst our southern
neighbours) and Boss tools (Canadian equivalent). For all the tools I looked
at on the HF site you can download manuals with part numbers and specs. Good
luck with that at Boss tools (I once phoned HF to get info on the identical
product Boss were selling and knew diddly squat about).

2) The same comparison applies to Grizzly and Busy Bee although at least
Busy Bee has *some* manuals on their web site. The comparison of catalogs
favours Grizzly with better and often more accurate descriptions.

There are many other examples. There are also shining exceptions such as Lee
Valley.

But if you want a good selection of crimping terminals, at least in this
town, you better head to good old Canadian Tire....:-)

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Campbell River, BC


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On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 17:11:20 -0700, "Michael Koblic"
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Where do you think the nickname Crappy Tire came from, or have you
never heard that on the left side of the country?


Half of the stuff I bought from them I returned for refund. The other half
is doing a good job.
However...

The concept of customer service not extending beyond giving you the money
back if you bring the purchased item back within 10 days is a new one to me
(to my mind the 1 year warranty and the "special" warranty -whatever that
means - must now be questionable.) So is the concept of the
shop/supplier/"manufacturer" not having a clue about their product. I have
called their Corporate Customer Relations (sounds grand, does it not?) and
spoke to a lady who was clearly unaware of what was going on and gave me -
the phone number of Global Sourcing! After I gave her the facts of life she
took my phone number and promised to get back to me. I am not holding my
breath.

I hate to slag off Canada but some of the business practices here do not
compare favourably with those of equivalent establishments down south:

1) Compare Harbor Freight (with its poor reputation amongst our southern
neighbours) and Boss tools (Canadian equivalent). For all the tools I looked
at on the HF site you can download manuals with part numbers and specs. Good
luck with that at Boss tools (I once phoned HF to get info on the identical
product Boss were selling and knew diddly squat about).

2) The same comparison applies to Grizzly and Busy Bee although at least
Busy Bee has *some* manuals on their web site. The comparison of catalogs
favours Grizzly with better and often more accurate descriptions.

There are many other examples. There are also shining exceptions such as Lee
Valley.

But if you want a good selection of crimping terminals, at least in this
town, you better head to good old Canadian Tire....:-)



Cambell River is a bit like Owen Sound Ontario, isn't it?
A hundered miles from nowhere.


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Cambell River is a bit like Owen Sound Ontario, isn't it?
A hundered miles from nowhere.


Nowhere being Nanaimo. But we are unlike anything in Ontario.


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Cambell River is a bit like Owen Sound Ontario, isn't it?
A hundered miles from nowhere.


Nowhere being Nanaimo. But we are unlike anything in Ontario.

I know I've been there. Nowhere that WET in Ontario!!
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Cambell River is a bit like Owen Sound Ontario, isn't

it?
A hundered miles from nowhere.


Nowhere being Nanaimo. But we are unlike anything in

Ontario.



Ever been to Flin Flon? ;))

Just add a zero.
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Cambell River is a bit like Owen Sound Ontario, isn't

it?
A hundered miles from nowhere.


Nowhere being Nanaimo. But we are unlike anything in

Ontario.



Ever been to Flin Flon? ;))


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On Sun, 05 Apr 2009 00:53:19 -0400, Wes wrote:

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Charming little places WAY off the beaten track - the track from
nowhere to NOWHERE.



Years ago I drove from Michigan to Niagra Falls via the UP of Michigan vs crossing at Blue
Water Bridge. There is a lot of nowhere up there. I liked it since I'm just a rural guy
at heart.

Just out of curiosity, what percentage of Canada is owned by the Crown? In the US large
parts of the south west is owned by the feds.


Wes

Canada is 998 million Hectares = 310 million hectares is forested. 93
percent of this forested land is "crown land" - 78% of this is
provincially owned, 16% federally.
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Michael Koblic wrote:

The concept of customer service not extending beyond giving you the
money back if you bring the purchased item back within 10 days is a
new one to me (to my mind the 1 year warranty and the "special"
warranty -whatever that means - must now be questionable.) So is the
concept of the shop/supplier/"manufacturer" not having a clue about
their product. I have called their Corporate Customer Relations
(sounds grand, does it not?) and spoke to a lady who was clearly
unaware of what was going on and gave me - the phone number of Global
Sourcing! After I gave her the facts of life she took my phone number
and promised to get back to me. I am not holding my breath.


A result! Today I was contacted by a man from a repair shop in the Lower
Mainland who seems to have the necessary spare parts including a selection
of K-profile v-belts. He was very helpful and goes on my speed dial.

Persistence pays, although not having to work for living is a definite
bonus. I cannot imagine wasting this much time and energy few years back.

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Campbell River, BC


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Cambell River is a bit like Owen Sound Ontario, isn't

it?
A hundered miles from nowhere.


Nowhere being Nanaimo. But we are unlike anything in

Ontario.



Ever been to Flin Flon? ;))



Have you ever been to Broke Leg Falls?


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Phil Kangas wrote:


Cambell River is a bit like Owen Sound Ontario, isn't

it?
A hundered miles from nowhere.

Nowhere being Nanaimo. But we are unlike anything in

Ontario.



Ever been to Flin Flon? ;))



Have you ever been to Broke Leg Falls?


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Campbell River is actually a fairly major place. Used to be one of the best
salmon sport fishing areas. Will be towing the boat through CR in August on
the way to Port Hardy and a Rivers Inlet run. Now there is a place that is
near nowhere.




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Cambell River is a bit like Owen Sound Ontario,
isn't
it?
A hundred miles from nowhere.

Nowhere being Nanaimo. But we are unlike anything in
Ontario.



Ever been to Flin Flon? ;))



Have you ever been to Broke Leg Falls?


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Campbell River is actually a fairly major place. Used to

be one of the best
salmon sport fishing areas. Will be towing the boat

through CR in August on
the way to Port Hardy and a Rivers Inlet run. Now there

is a place that is
near nowhere.


So back to Flin Flon, how come nobody goes there? Back in'96
my friend and
I made a motorcycle trip there and all the way up and all
the way back all we
got when we said we went to FF was " are you crazy? are you
nuts? nobody
goes to FF". We heard it at the border, in restaurants, gas
stations, campgrounds
and even the RCMP! That place is unusual all right. All
rock, hard rock. The
power poles are mounted on big steel plates that are bolted
into the rock and
anchored with at least four guy wires each, the whole power
line! And the
water/sewer lines are above ground in a manifold box house
to house and heated
with a steam line connected to the smelter in winter. Quite
the place.....
I'm happy we made that trip......the weather was good at
that time and the
night was very warm for that far north. The northern lights
were blasting away
and it never did get dark like it does farther south. They
are near the 55th paralell
so the days were long and the night short.
phil


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So back to Flin Flon, how come nobody goes there? Back in'96
my friend and I made a motorcycle trip there and all the way
up and all the way back all we got when we said we went to
FF was " are you crazy? are you nuts? nobody goes to FF". We
heard it at the border, in restaurants, gas stations,
campgrounds and even the RCMP! That place is unusual all
right. All rock, hard rock. The power poles are mounted on
big steel plates that are bolted into the rock and anchored
with at least four guy wires each, the whole power line! And
the water/sewer lines are above ground in a manifold box
house to house and heated with a steam line connected to the
smelter in winter. Quite the place.....

I'm happy we made that trip......the weather was good at
that time and the night was very warm for that far north.
The northern lights were blasting away and it never did get
dark like it does farther south. They are near the 55th
paralell so the days were long and the night short.
phil



Ft. Greely, AK, had all the utilities in steam heated concrete
troughs. They were covered with thick steel plates that were removed to
make repairs. Look for information on "Wwhite Alice" which was the
first 'over the horizon' microwave telephone relay system. It was built
because they couldn't put up poles, or bury the cables and the military
needed reliable communications. It was quite an engineering feat, and
several people died, working in the extreme cold.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us&q=white+alice+history+alaska


The longest day was 23 hours, 45 minutes and the shortest was 15
minutes, even though the sun didn't actually rise. I sat near the top
of the tower at the TV station to watch the northern lights light the
entire sky for hours one night late in August.


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Canadian Tires has very robust sourcing on the ground in China, like Walmart, Celestica etc. I have met their folks in the usual places you'd expect to find them. That said, they're like any other importer- not really in control of the factories long-term.

They will come and go as prices fluctuate (and in China as the coastal regions get too expensive many lower tech factories are moving inland to places like Chengdu where wages are lower- and we're seeing the same old problems again).

The factories will mark whatever name you like on the product and paint it/mold it whatever color you like and customize the packaging if you meet their minimum order quantity. Sometimes the designs are identical but sourced from different companies, which is why I suspect places like HF have different SKUs for seemingly the same product.


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On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 23:39:41 -0700 (PDT), speff wrote:

Canadian Tires has very robust sourcing on the ground in China, like Walmart, Celestica etc. I have met their folks in the usual places you'd expect to find them. That said, they're like any other importer- not really in control of the factories long-term.

They will come and go as prices fluctuate (and in China as the coastal regions get too expensive many lower tech factories are moving inland to places like Chengdu where wages are lower- and we're seeing the same old problems again).

The factories will mark whatever name you like on the product and paint it/mold it whatever color you like and customize the packaging if you meet their minimum order quantity. Sometimes the designs are identical but sourced from different companies, which is why I suspect places like HF have different SKUs for seemingly the same product.


OP uses clickbait title. Why start with apparent deception?

BTW CT has a special on Noma LED bulbs. Two 60W for $1.00. Many others too.
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 23:39:41 -0700 (PDT), speff wrote:

Canadian Tires has very robust sourcing on the ground in China, like Walmart, Celestica etc. I have met their folks in the usual places you'd expect to find them. That said, they're like any other importer- not really in control of the factories long-term.

They will come and go as prices fluctuate (and in China as the coastal regions get too expensive many lower tech factories are moving inland to places like Chengdu where wages are lower- and we're seeing the same old problems again).

The factories will mark whatever name you like on the product and paint it/mold it whatever color you like and customize the packaging if you meet their minimum order quantity. Sometimes the designs are identical but sourced from different companies, which is why I suspect places like HF have different SKUs for seemingly the same product.


OP uses clickbait title. Why start with apparent deception?

BTW CT has a special on Noma LED bulbs. Two 60W for $1.00. Many others too.

When Canadian Tire puts on a sale, it is generally unbeatable.
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On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 06:37:16 -0400, Boris Mohar
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 23:39:41 -0700 (PDT), speff wrote:

Canadian Tires has very robust sourcing on the ground in China, like Walmart, Celestica etc. I have met their folks in the usual places you'd expect to find them. That said, they're like any other importer- not really in control of the factories long-term.

They will come and go as prices fluctuate (and in China as the coastal regions get too expensive many lower tech factories are moving inland to places like Chengdu where wages are lower- and we're seeing the same old problems again).

The factories will mark whatever name you like on the product and paint it/mold it whatever color you like and customize the packaging if you meet their minimum order quantity. Sometimes the designs are identical but sourced from different companies, which is why I suspect places like HF have different SKUs for seemingly the same product.


OP uses clickbait title. Why start with apparent deception?

BTW CT has a special on Noma LED bulbs. Two 60W for $1.00. Many others too.

When Canadian Tire puts on a sale, it is generally unbeatable.

I seldom shop there except for sugar or toilet paper. Several years
ago I approached one of the auto parts staffers and asked for a
generic horn relay - he couldn't help me without a "year make model'
and probably colour too!
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On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 23:18:04 -0400, Gerry
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On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 09:53:28 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 06:37:16 -0400, Boris Mohar
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 23:39:41 -0700 (PDT), speff wrote:

Canadian Tires has very robust sourcing on the ground in China, like Walmart, Celestica etc. I have met their folks in the usual places you'd expect to find them. That said, they're like any other importer- not really in control of the factories long-term.

They will come and go as prices fluctuate (and in China as the coastal regions get too expensive many lower tech factories are moving inland to places like Chengdu where wages are lower- and we're seeing the same old problems again).

The factories will mark whatever name you like on the product and paint it/mold it whatever color you like and customize the packaging if you meet their minimum order quantity. Sometimes the designs are identical but sourced from different companies, which is why I suspect places like HF have different SKUs for seemingly the same product.

OP uses clickbait title. Why start with apparent deception?

BTW CT has a special on Noma LED bulbs. Two 60W for $1.00. Many others too.

When Canadian Tire puts on a sale, it is generally unbeatable.

I seldom shop there except for sugar or toilet paper. Several years
ago I approached one of the auto parts staffers and asked for a
generic horn relay - he couldn't help me without a "year make model'
and probably colour too!

Same thing at any dealership, pep-boys, auto-zone or NAPA store. Half
the countermen have never SEEN a horn relay, nor do they have any idea
how rhey work (oe what they do) All they can do is read catalogs -and
then only if they are in PDF form and indexed so they can use a search
engine.
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