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[email protected] March 2nd 09 01:55 PM

Gear Compatibility
 
What "parameter" describes whether two unknown gears from the surplus
bucket will work together? Is there a number that describes how the
teeth mesh? I've googled "pitch circle", etc but I seem to have a
mental vapour lock.

TIA,
Chris

Robert Swinney March 2nd 09 02:12 PM

Gear Compatibility
 
The term is Diametral Pitch.

Bob Swinney
wrote in message
...
What "parameter" describes whether two unknown gears from the surplus
bucket will work together? Is there a number that describes how the
teeth mesh? I've googled "pitch circle", etc but I seem to have a
mental vapour lock.

TIA,
Chris


RoyJ March 2nd 09 02:16 PM

Gear Compatibility
 
Diametrical pitch and pitch angle. In metric it is the pitch rather than
DP.


wrote:
What "parameter" describes whether two unknown gears from the surplus
bucket will work together? Is there a number that describes how the
teeth mesh? I've googled "pitch circle", etc but I seem to have a
mental vapour lock.

TIA,
Chris


F. George McDuffee March 2nd 09 02:44 PM

Gear Compatibility
 
On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 08:16:19 -0600, RoyJ
wrote:
wrote:
What "parameter" describes whether two unknown gears from the surplus
bucket will work together? Is there a number that describes how the
teeth mesh? I've googled "pitch circle", etc but I seem to have a
mental vapour lock.

TIA,
Chris

Diametrical pitch and pitch angle. In metric it is the pitch rather than
DP.

===============
Metric gears are generally speced as "module" Module = 1/
diametrical pitch. You will occassionally see the inch module
specified, but general module usage is metric. 1 m/m module =
25.4 DP[inch], 0.5 m/m module = 50.8 DP[inch], etc.

If you are getting into gears a good reference is Law, Ivan
"Gears and Gear Cutting" ISBN 0-85242911-9 While written for the
person who wants to make their own gears in the home workshop it
has very good information on the nomenclature and identification
of all types of gears. One source in the US is
http://www.blueridgeshoponline.com/p...&productId=243
Amazon and Powells also have in stock from time to time.
http://www.powells.com/


Unka' George [George McDuffee]
-------------------------------------------
He that will not apply new remedies,
must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

Tim Wescott March 2nd 09 04:27 PM

Gear Compatibility
 
On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 05:55:03 -0800, chrish57 wrote:

What "parameter" describes whether two unknown gears from the surplus
bucket will work together? Is there a number that describes how the
teeth mesh? I've googled "pitch circle", etc but I seem to have a
mental vapour lock.

TIA,
Chris


Pitch and pressure angle, assuming that they're "ordinary" involute (is
that the right term?) gears.

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http://www.wescottdesign.com

Robert Swinney March 2nd 09 05:07 PM

Gear Compatibility
 
George sez:

If you are getting into gears a good reference is Law, Ivan
"Gears and Gear Cutting" ISBN 0-85242911-9 While written for the
person who wants to make their own gears in the home workshop it
has very good information on the nomenclature and identification
of all types of gears. One source in the US is
http://www.blueridgeshoponline.com/p...&productId=243
Amazon and Powells also have in stock from time to time.
http://www.powells.com/

Mucho seconds to that George! Ivan Law's book outlines a terrific way to make gears using the radii
of commonly available end mills. Getursef a copy. You won't be sorry.

Bob Swinney



[email protected] March 3rd 09 01:02 AM

Gear Compatibility
 
On Mar 2, 11:27*am, Tim Wescott wrote:
snip


The right keywords make searching much easier!!

So two gears with the same diametral pitch and pitch angle will mesh,
all other things being equal (no weird tooth shapes, etc)?

Thanks folks.

RoyJ March 3rd 09 01:44 AM

Gear Compatibility
 
You got it.

Take a look at the Boston gear site www.bostongear.com look in 'open
gearing' section

http://bostongear.com/litportal/pdfs...%20PAGESsm.pdf

Great quicky section on gear theory
http://bostongear.com/pdf/gear_theory.pdf

wrote:
On Mar 2, 11:27 am, Tim Wescott wrote:
snip


The right keywords make searching much easier!!

So two gears with the same diametral pitch and pitch angle will mesh,
all other things being equal (no weird tooth shapes, etc)?

Thanks folks.


DoN. Nichols March 3rd 09 04:38 AM

Gear Compatibility
 
On 2009-03-02, Robert Swinney wrote:
wrote in message
...
What "parameter" describes whether two unknown gears from the surplus
bucket will work together? Is there a number that describes how the
teeth mesh? I've googled "pitch circle", etc but I seem to have a
mental vapour lock.


The term is Diametral Pitch.


Spelled "Diametrical Pitch" if you're going to use it in search
engines. (They can be picky. :-)

And "Pressure Angle" comes into it as well. Typically either 14
degrees or 20 degrees for inch dimensioned gears.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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DoN. Nichols March 3rd 09 04:41 AM

Gear Compatibility
 
On 2009-03-03, wrote:
On Mar 2, 11:27*am, Tim Wescott wrote:
snip


The right keywords make searching much easier!!

So two gears with the same diametral pitch and pitch angle will mesh,
all other things being equal (no weird tooth shapes, etc)?


*Diametrical* Pitch and "Pressure Angle".

Assuming that you aren't talking about helical gears, in which
case the helix angle also needs to match in some way corresponding to
the angle at which the two shafts cross. (The same angle for both if the
shafts are the usual parallel.)

Enjoy,
DoN.

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Ed Huntress March 3rd 09 06:02 AM

Gear Compatibility
 

"DoN. Nichols" wrote in message
...
On 2009-03-02, Robert Swinney wrote:
wrote in message
...
What "parameter" describes whether two unknown gears from the surplus
bucket will work together? Is there a number that describes how the
teeth mesh? I've googled "pitch circle", etc but I seem to have a
mental vapour lock.


The term is Diametral Pitch.


Spelled "Diametrical Pitch" if you're going to use it in search
engines. (They can be picky. :-)


I think the common term is diametral pitch, Don.


And "Pressure Angle" comes into it as well. Typically either 14
degrees or 20 degrees for inch dimensioned gears.


Right. You can derive some gear dimensions from others, but the ones that
should be the same on matching gears, to keep it simple, are diametral pitch
(so the spacing between gear teeth is conformal, and the gears don't "jump"
from one tooth to the next) and pressure angle. The pressure angle (usually
the standards, except for plastic gears: 14.5 deg, 20 deg, or sometimes 25
deg) should be the same for both gears to get uniform velocities and to
minimize sliding. Lower angles run quieter; higher angles are stronger. The
14.5 deg angle is becoming less common on commercial gear applications
today.

These are just the tip of the iceberg in gear dimensions but they should be
all you need for an ordinary application. Oh -- you'll want to know the
pitch circle to get proper axial spacing, too.

--
Ed Huntress



Jim Wilkins March 3rd 09 01:18 PM

Gear Compatibility
 
On Mar 3, 1:02*am, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
"DoN. Nichols" wrote in message
On 2009-03-02, Robert Swinney wrote:
wrote in message
What "parameter" describes whether two unknown gears from the surplus
bucket will work together? *Is there a number that describes how the
teeth mesh? *I've googled "pitch circle", etc but I seem to have a
mental vapour lock.


The term is Diametral Pitch.

And "Pressure Angle" comes into it as well. *Typically either 14
degrees or 20 degrees for inch dimensioned gears.


Right. You can derive some gear dimensions from others, but the ones that
should be the same on matching gears, to keep it simple, are diametral pitch
(so the spacing between gear teeth is conformal, and the gears don't "jump"
from one tooth to the next) and pressure angle. The pressure angle (usually
the standards, except for plastic gears: 14.5 deg, 20 deg, or sometimes 25
deg) should be the same for both gears to get uniform velocities and to
minimize sliding.
--
Ed Huntress


DP and PA are hard to measure when buying surplus . For inch gears the
diametral pitch should equal (number of teeth + 2) / (measured outside
diameter) rounded to the nearest whole number. An example from my
lathe is (80 + 2) / 5.110 = 16.047. That's a 16 DP, 80 tooth gear I
bought to replace the broken idler. The nominal outside diameter is
( 80 + 2) / 16 = 5.125".

You can measure PA with a protractor on large gears probably close
enough to tell 14.5 from 20. I measured ~42 degrees between the inner
flanks of adjacent teeth on the tractor steering sector and assumed
20PA:
http://picasaweb.google.com/KB1DAL/H...10360947850418
I initially mismeasured the sector angle and almost ordered an
expensive 72 tooth gear. After making a centering plug that fit the
hub I discovered that it was really 68 teeth, not a standard size for
20PA, and had to make one. 14.5 PA lathe change gears are available
with almost any number of teeth, but wouldn't mesh properly with the
steering shaft pinion.

Jim Wilkins

Ed Huntress March 3rd 09 03:44 PM

Gear Compatibility
 

"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
...
On Mar 3, 1:02 am, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
"DoN. Nichols" wrote in message
On 2009-03-02, Robert Swinney wrote:
wrote in message
What "parameter" describes whether two unknown gears from the surplus
bucket will work together? Is there a number that describes how the
teeth mesh? I've googled "pitch circle", etc but I seem to have a
mental vapour lock.


The term is Diametral Pitch.

And "Pressure Angle" comes into it as well. Typically either 14
degrees or 20 degrees for inch dimensioned gears.


Right. You can derive some gear dimensions from others, but the ones that
should be the same on matching gears, to keep it simple, are diametral
pitch
(so the spacing between gear teeth is conformal, and the gears don't
"jump"
from one tooth to the next) and pressure angle. The pressure angle
(usually
the standards, except for plastic gears: 14.5 deg, 20 deg, or sometimes 25
deg) should be the same for both gears to get uniform velocities and to
minimize sliding.
--
Ed Huntress


DP and PA are hard to measure when buying surplus . For inch gears the
diametral pitch should equal (number of teeth + 2) / (measured outside
diameter) rounded to the nearest whole number. An example from my
lathe is (80 + 2) / 5.110 = 16.047. That's a 16 DP, 80 tooth gear I
bought to replace the broken idler. The nominal outside diameter is
( 80 + 2) / 16 = 5.125".

You can measure PA with a protractor on large gears probably close
enough to tell 14.5 from 20. I measured ~42 degrees between the inner
flanks of adjacent teeth on the tractor steering sector and assumed
20PA:
http://picasaweb.google.com/KB1DAL/H...10360947850418
I initially mismeasured the sector angle and almost ordered an
expensive 72 tooth gear. After making a centering plug that fit the
hub I discovered that it was really 68 teeth, not a standard size for
20PA, and had to make one. 14.5 PA lathe change gears are available
with almost any number of teeth, but wouldn't mesh properly with the
steering shaft pinion.

Jim Wilkins

================================================== ========

Right. It's one thing to specify a gear that you want; it's another thing
entirely to measure those parameters on a gear that you have. There are some
shop-level methods but I've long forgotten them, if I ever knew them at all.

--
Ed Huntress



Jim Wilkins March 3rd 09 06:27 PM

Gear Compatibility
 
On Mar 3, 10:44*am, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
...
Right. It's one thing to specify a gear that you want; it's another thing
entirely to measure those parameters on a gear that you have. ...
Ed Huntress


Especially when it's damaged enough to need replacement, and you are
rummaging through a junk pile to match it with only tools you can
carry in a pocket and don't mind losing.

I used the 80 tooth gear for the example because I bought it new and
am sure of its size. The clerk at Bearing Specialty Co in Nashua told
me they enounter a lot of custom sizes they can't match from stock,
such as my tractor's steering sector.

They are nice people who have been very helpful with my strange
requests -- although the last time I was in there an alternate-energy
designer bought some 2.000" ID bearings to go on 2" water pipe. Maybe
mine aren't so bad. I did clean the gear before plopping it on the
counter.

I need to find a local inventor with great ideas who needs an
electronic + mechanical tech to build them, and pays regularly. I've
worked for quite a few of them, the trouble is that a place like
DaVinci makes them a great offer and they leave.

Jim Wilkins

DoN. Nichols March 4th 09 12:48 AM

Gear Compatibility
 
On 2009-03-03, Ed Huntress wrote:

"DoN. Nichols" wrote in message
...
On 2009-03-02, Robert Swinney wrote:
wrote in message
...
What "parameter" describes whether two unknown gears from the surplus
bucket will work together? Is there a number that describes how the
teeth mesh? I've googled "pitch circle", etc but I seem to have a
mental vapour lock.


The term is Diametral Pitch.


Spelled "Diametrical Pitch" if you're going to use it in search
engines. (They can be picky. :-)


I think the common term is diametral pitch, Don.


You're right! I've been reading it as "diametrical pitch" all
this time -- given the derivation of the term.

================================================== ====================
diametral pitch The number of teeth given per inch of a gear's
pitch diameter. Diametral pitch is the most
common method of classifying gears.
================================================== ====================

I wonder how that spelling became the standard? And why?

And my spelling checker complains about it when I use the
correct term. :-)

And "Pressure Angle" comes into it as well. Typically either 14
degrees or 20 degrees for inch dimensioned gears.


Right. You can derive some gear dimensions from others, but the ones that
should be the same on matching gears, to keep it simple, are diametral pitch
(so the spacing between gear teeth is conformal, and the gears don't "jump"
from one tooth to the next) and pressure angle. The pressure angle (usually
the standards, except for plastic gears: 14.5 deg, 20 deg, or sometimes 25
deg)


Hmm ... I did not know about 25 degrees. New information for
me.

should be the same for both gears to get uniform velocities and to
minimize sliding. Lower angles run quieter; higher angles are stronger.


Hmm ... don't they (the higher angles) put more lateral stress
on the bearings in which the gears are running?

The
14.5 deg angle is becoming less common on commercial gear applications
today.


I think that is what my 12x24" Clausing lathe has -- 16 DP 14.5
PA.

These are just the tip of the iceberg in gear dimensions but they should be
all you need for an ordinary application. Oh -- you'll want to know the
pitch circle to get proper axial spacing, too.


Yep.

Enjoy,
DoN.

--
Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564
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DoN. Nichols March 4th 09 01:05 AM

Gear Compatibility
 
On 2009-03-03, Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Mar 3, 1:02*am, "Ed Huntress" wrote:


[ ... ]

Right. You can derive some gear dimensions from others, but the ones that
should be the same on matching gears, to keep it simple, are diametral pitch
(so the spacing between gear teeth is conformal, and the gears don't "jump"
from one tooth to the next) and pressure angle. The pressure angle (usually
the standards, except for plastic gears: 14.5 deg, 20 deg, or sometimes 25
deg) should be the same for both gears to get uniform velocities and to
minimize sliding.
--
Ed Huntress


DP and PA are hard to measure when buying surplus .


There are portable gauges which are useful for the DP for
standard sizes at least. A round piece of either sheet metal or
Bakelite, usually with a hole to hang from a key chain. I have one. It
is not small enough for instrument gears, but reasonable for machine
tool gears.

For inch gears the
diametral pitch should equal (number of teeth + 2) / (measured outside
diameter) rounded to the nearest whole number. An example from my
lathe is (80 + 2) / 5.110 = 16.047. That's a 16 DP, 80 tooth gear I
bought to replace the broken idler. The nominal outside diameter is
( 80 + 2) / 16 = 5.125".


The gauge is quicker -- even if you have a good calculator with
you, since you don't have to do a precise tooth count first. :-)

You can measure PA with a protractor on large gears probably close
enough to tell 14.5 from 20. I measured ~42 degrees between the inner
flanks of adjacent teeth on the tractor steering sector and assumed
20PA:


A rack gear is pretty much a trapezoidal tooth shape and easy to
measure if it is large enough -- or if you have an optical comparator.
The complex shapes come from making gears of differing tooth counts
which will smoothly roll in mesh with the rack gear -- and thus with all
others of the same DP and PA.

http://picasaweb.google.com/KB1DAL/H...10360947850418
I initially mismeasured the sector angle and almost ordered an
expensive 72 tooth gear. After making a centering plug that fit the
hub I discovered that it was really 68 teeth, not a standard size for
20PA, and had to make one. 14.5 PA lathe change gears are available
with almost any number of teeth, but wouldn't mesh properly with the
steering shaft pinion.


Of course. :-)

Enjoy,
DoN.

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Ed Huntress March 4th 09 01:06 AM

Gear Compatibility
 

"DoN. Nichols" wrote in message
...
On 2009-03-03, Ed Huntress wrote:

"DoN. Nichols" wrote in message
...
On 2009-03-02, Robert Swinney wrote:
wrote in message
...
What "parameter" describes whether two unknown gears from the surplus
bucket will work together? Is there a number that describes how the
teeth mesh? I've googled "pitch circle", etc but I seem to have a
mental vapour lock.

The term is Diametral Pitch.

Spelled "Diametrical Pitch" if you're going to use it in search
engines. (They can be picky. :-)


I think the common term is diametral pitch, Don.


You're right! I've been reading it as "diametrical pitch" all
this time -- given the derivation of the term.

================================================== ====================
diametral pitch The number of teeth given per inch of a gear's
pitch diameter. Diametral pitch is the most
common method of classifying gears.
================================================== ====================

I wonder how that spelling became the standard? And why?


'Dunno, but it was spelled that way in the 1909 edition of the _American
Machinist's Handbook_.


And my spelling checker complains about it when I use the
correct term. :-)

And "Pressure Angle" comes into it as well. Typically either 14
degrees or 20 degrees for inch dimensioned gears.


Right. You can derive some gear dimensions from others, but the ones that
should be the same on matching gears, to keep it simple, are diametral
pitch
(so the spacing between gear teeth is conformal, and the gears don't
"jump"
from one tooth to the next) and pressure angle. The pressure angle
(usually
the standards, except for plastic gears: 14.5 deg, 20 deg, or sometimes
25
deg)


Hmm ... I did not know about 25 degrees. New information for
me.

should be the same for both gears to get uniform velocities and to
minimize sliding. Lower angles run quieter; higher angles are stronger.


Hmm ... don't they (the higher angles) put more lateral stress
on the bearings in which the gears are running?


I suppose so. But the bases of the teeth are broader, so the teeth are
stronger. The trend is toward higher pressure angles except for timing
gears, like lathe change gears, where the loads are relatively light.

Plastic gears are another story; the high-performance ones are often
non-standard in every way, with stub teeth and high pressure angles. They
can do anything they want when they inject-mold the gears in wirecut-EDMed
cavities.



The
14.5 deg angle is becoming less common on commercial gear applications
today.


I think that is what my 12x24" Clausing lathe has -- 16 DP 14.5
PA.

These are just the tip of the iceberg in gear dimensions but they should
be
all you need for an ordinary application. Oh -- you'll want to know the
pitch circle to get proper axial spacing, too.


Yep.

Enjoy,
DoN.

--
Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564
(too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html
--- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero ---




Don Young March 4th 09 02:10 AM

Gear Compatibility
 

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

"DoN. Nichols" wrote in message
...
On 2009-03-03, Ed Huntress wrote:

"DoN. Nichols" wrote in message
...
On 2009-03-02, Robert Swinney wrote:
wrote in message
...
What "parameter" describes whether two unknown gears from the surplus
bucket will work together? Is there a number that describes how the
teeth mesh? I've googled "pitch circle", etc but I seem to have a
mental vapour lock.

The term is Diametral Pitch.

Spelled "Diametrical Pitch" if you're going to use it in search
engines. (They can be picky. :-)

I think the common term is diametral pitch, Don.


You're right! I've been reading it as "diametrical pitch" all
this time -- given the derivation of the term.

================================================== ====================
diametral pitch The number of teeth given per inch of a gear's
pitch diameter. Diametral pitch is the most
common method of classifying gears.
================================================== ====================

I wonder how that spelling became the standard? And why?


'Dunno, but it was spelled that way in the 1909 edition of the _American
Machinist's Handbook_.


And my spelling checker complains about it when I use the
correct term. :-)

And "Pressure Angle" comes into it as well. Typically either 14
degrees or 20 degrees for inch dimensioned gears.

Right. You can derive some gear dimensions from others, but the ones
that
should be the same on matching gears, to keep it simple, are diametral
pitch
(so the spacing between gear teeth is conformal, and the gears don't
"jump"
from one tooth to the next) and pressure angle. The pressure angle
(usually
the standards, except for plastic gears: 14.5 deg, 20 deg, or sometimes
25
deg)


Hmm ... I did not know about 25 degrees. New information for
me.

should be the same for both gears to get uniform velocities and to
minimize sliding. Lower angles run quieter; higher angles are stronger.


Hmm ... don't they (the higher angles) put more lateral stress
on the bearings in which the gears are running?


I suppose so. But the bases of the teeth are broader, so the teeth are
stronger. The trend is toward higher pressure angles except for timing
gears, like lathe change gears, where the loads are relatively light.

Plastic gears are another story; the high-performance ones are often
non-standard in every way, with stub teeth and high pressure angles. They
can do anything they want when they inject-mold the gears in wirecut-EDMed
cavities.



The
14.5 deg angle is becoming less common on commercial gear applications
today.


I think that is what my 12x24" Clausing lathe has -- 16 DP 14.5
PA.

These are just the tip of the iceberg in gear dimensions but they should
be
all you need for an ordinary application. Oh -- you'll want to know the
pitch circle to get proper axial spacing, too.


Yep.

Enjoy,
DoN.

--
Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564
(too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html
--- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero ---



I have found that many gears found in high volume applications are neither
standard DP nor pressure angle. I have also noticed that what seems like a
majority of the hobs and a lot of the milling cutters offered for sale are
non-standard as well. Automotive gears seem to always be specialized.

Don Young



jerry wass March 4th 09 05:14 AM

Gear Compatibility
 
DoN. Nichols wrote:
On 2009-03-03, Ed Huntress wrote:
"DoN. Nichols" wrote in message
...
On 2009-03-02, Robert Swinney wrote:
wrote in message
...
What "parameter" describes whether two unknown gears from the surplus
bucket will work together? Is there a number that describes how the
teeth mesh? I've googled "pitch circle", etc but I seem to have a
mental vapour lock.
The term is Diametral Pitch.
Spelled "Diametrical Pitch" if you're going to use it in search
engines. (They can be picky. :-)

I think the common term is diametral pitch, Don.


You're right! I've been reading it as "diametrical pitch" all
this time -- given the derivation of the term.

================================================== ====================
diametral pitch The number of teeth given per inch of a gear's
pitch diameter. Diametral pitch is the most
common method of classifying gears.
================================================== ====================

I wonder how that spelling became the standard? And why?

And my spelling checker complains about it when I use the
correct term. :-)

And "Pressure Angle" comes into it as well. Typically either 14
degrees or 20 degrees for inch dimensioned gears.

Right. You can derive some gear dimensions from others, but the ones that
should be the same on matching gears, to keep it simple, are diametral pitch
(so the spacing between gear teeth is conformal, and the gears don't "jump"
from one tooth to the next) and pressure angle. The pressure angle (usually
the standards, except for plastic gears: 14.5 deg, 20 deg, or sometimes 25
deg)


Hmm ... I did not know about 25 degrees. New information for
me.

should be the same for both gears to get uniform velocities and to
minimize sliding. Lower angles run quieter; higher angles are stronger.


Hmm ... don't they (the higher angles) put more lateral stress
on the bearings in which the gears are running?

The
14.5 deg angle is becoming less common on commercial gear applications
today.


I think that is what my 12x24" Clausing lathe has -- 16 DP 14.5
PA.

These are just the tip of the iceberg in gear dimensions but they should be
all you need for an ordinary application. Oh -- you'll want to know the
pitch circle to get proper axial spacing, too.


Yep.

Enjoy,
DoN.


The 14° P.A. is more tolerant of sloppy gear center spacing--hence it's
use on change gears on lathes


Jim Wilkins March 4th 09 01:42 PM

Gear Compatibility
 
What I've read is that 14.5 PA was easy for the foundry pattern maker
because the sine of 14.5 is 1/4. 20 PA came from early automotive
transmission designers who first ran tests to prove that the extra
lateral bearing pressure wasn't a problem.

The first gear cutting bit I made was for a broach to fit a pulley to
a hydraulic pump drive shaft. It's a 30 degree ANSI involute spline:
http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/showthread.php?t=26868


Jim Wilkins

Jim Wilkins March 4th 09 02:19 PM

Gear Compatibility
 
On Mar 3, 8:05*pm, "DoN. Nichols" wrote:
On 2009-03-03, Jim Wilkins wrote:
[... measuring surplus gears]


* * * * There are portable gauges which are useful for the DP for
standard sizes at least. *A round piece of either sheet metal or
Bakelite, usually with a hole to hang from a key chain. *I have one. *It
is not small enough for instrument gears, but reasonable for machine
tool gears.
...
* * * * The gauge is quicker -- even if you have a good calculator with
you, since you don't have to do a precise tooth count first. :-)


This freebie plastic one from Union Gear & Sprocket runs from 4 to 16
DP, no PA shown. It was given to me and I don't know where to find
another one. They don't seem to have a working website.

I look for simple ways to identify stuff I wasn't expecting to find
when all I have is the tools in the car, 4" dial calipers, a tape
measure, a magnet and a 50 Lb fishing scale. They fit in a coat pocket
and are cheap enough to risk losing. On treasure hunts I bring a Morse
1 - 2 sleeve to identify MT1, MT2 and B&S7 tapers. You can check if
two tapers are identical by holding them together, facing opposite
directions, and measuring across both ends.

If you expect to break a gear, here's a gauge:
http://www.fvfowler.com/pdf/2304/2304_498.pdf
Personally I plan to keep them greased and NOT need it.

Jim Wilkins

F. George McDuffee March 4th 09 07:52 PM

Gear Compatibility
 
On 4 Mar 2009 01:05:41 GMT, "DoN. Nichols"
wrote:
snip
There are portable gauges which are useful for the DP for
standard sizes at least.

snip
see
http://www.rushgears.com/Tech_Tools/...FQKbnAod8ULFmg
http://bostongear.com/literature/index.asp
http://www.bostongear.com/pdf/upload...G_pg050(1).pdf


Unka' George [George McDuffee]
-------------------------------------------
He that will not apply new remedies,
must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).


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