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Wild_Bill February 19th 09 11:47 AM

Foot Speed Control For Universal AC/DC Motors
 
I recently purchased some new and used foot speed controls for universal
type motors, the AC/DC brush and commutator type motors commonly found in
many Foredom and other flex shaft motors, early Dremel Moto and other brands
of rotary tools.

The oldest one I bought was made in the '40s possibly, and uses a carbon
resistance type element.

A Foredom model SCR-1, made about '84, has a circuit board with about a
dozen fairly common components on an actual circuit board.
The clever characteristic of this unit, is a unique twisted section of flat
steel, making a helix (kinda like the antique toy tops used a twisted
"screw" to make the top spin as it was pushed down from the extended
position).
This helix is attached to the movable pedal (with a swinging mount to allow
it to travel in an arc), and fits into a slot in a low cost pot (the type of
PCB-mounted pot with a slot that allows the helix to pass thru it) . As the
pedal is pushed down, the pot wiper moves clockwise as the helix twist
contact area changes, and then CCW as the pedal is allowed to raise to the
stop position.
A hole in the ciruit board under the pot allows the helix to pass thru far
enough for the pot to make a full sweep of the resistor track.
The start switch is activated by a flat section on the rim of the plastic
pot disk/dial, it's open when the pot is at zero, then as the pot is
advanced, the switch is closed as the flat moves away from the switch (the
flat spot functions as a low spot on a cam lobe).
The switch is just stamped from plated steel to fabricate the stationary,
and the moving arm part of the switch.
This model needs a spring to return the pedal to the up/stop position.

A new Foredom model FCT-1 doesn't have a circuit board or a spring, they
simply utilize a switch from a variable speed 120VAC power tool (such as
drill, saber saw, sander etc).
The switch plunger is oriented pointing up at the moveable pedal, so there
is no need for clever levers, fulcrums, springs or anything other than the
switch. In the full upward position the outlet power is off, press the pedal
down and the tool starts and speeds up as the pedal is pressed further down.
The odd thing about this model is, the label states that the current
capacity is 2.5 A, although the switch itself is clearly marked with a
rating of 6 A.

Some fairly recent Linemaster motor speed control units, model/catalog
number 980-SC3 are made with variable speed power tool switches, the same as
the Foredom FCT-1, but they are labeled as a 6 A rating.

I remember opening an old Necchi foot speed control as a pup, and it had
resistance/heater wire on a big ceramic block and a wiper to make a crude
rheostat to change the motor speed. Alternate your feet to warm them both.

--
WB
..........
metalworking projects
www.kwagmire.com/metal_proj.html


[email protected] February 19th 09 05:31 PM

Foot Speed Control For Universal AC/DC Motors
 
On Feb 19, 3:47*am, "Wild_Bill" wrote:
I recently purchased some new and used foot speed controls for universal
type motors, the AC/DC brush and commutator type motors commonly found in
many Foredom and other flex shaft motors, early Dremel Moto and other brands
of rotary tools.

The oldest one I bought was made in the '40s possibly, and uses a carbon
resistance type element.

A Foredom model SCR-1, made about '84, has a circuit board with about a
dozen fairly common components on an actual circuit board.
The clever characteristic of this unit, is a unique twisted section of flat
steel, making a helix (kinda like the antique toy tops used a twisted
"screw" to make the top spin as it was pushed down from the extended
position).
This helix is attached to the movable pedal (with a swinging mount to allow
it to travel in an arc), and fits into a slot in a low cost pot (the type of
PCB-mounted pot with a slot that allows the helix to pass thru it) . As the
pedal is pushed down, the pot wiper moves clockwise as the helix twist
contact area changes, and then CCW as the pedal is allowed to raise to the
stop position.
A hole in the ciruit board under the pot allows the helix to pass thru far
enough for the pot to make a full sweep of the resistor track.
The start switch is activated by a flat section on the rim of the plastic
pot disk/dial, it's open when the pot is at zero, then as the pot is
advanced, the switch is closed as the flat moves away from the switch (the
flat spot functions as a low spot on a cam lobe).
The switch is just stamped from plated steel to fabricate the stationary,
and the moving arm part of the switch.
This model needs a spring to return the pedal to the up/stop position.

A new Foredom model FCT-1 doesn't have a circuit board or a spring, they
simply utilize a switch from a variable speed 120VAC power tool (such as
drill, saber saw, sander etc).
The switch plunger is oriented pointing up at the moveable pedal, so there
is no need for clever levers, fulcrums, springs or anything other than the
switch. In the full upward position the outlet power is off, press the pedal
down and the tool starts and speeds up as the pedal is pressed further down.
The odd thing about this model is, the label states that the current
capacity is 2.5 A, although the switch itself is clearly marked with a
rating of 6 A.

Some fairly recent Linemaster motor speed control units, model/catalog
number 980-SC3 are made with variable speed power tool switches, the same as
the Foredom FCT-1, but they are labeled as a 6 A rating.

I remember opening an old Necchi foot speed control as a pup, and it had
resistance/heater wire on a big ceramic block and a wiper to make a crude
rheostat to change the motor speed. Alternate your feet to warm them both..

--
WB
.........
metalworking projectswww.kwagmire.com/metal_proj.html


Do you have a use for the old style foot controls? Please let me know
if so! Several years go, at auction, I purchased a pallet full of
steel, bearings, gasket material and who knows what, including half a
case of new resistor type foot controls for universal motors. They
were part of an estate of a retired machinist. He made custom fishing
reel winders. The kind used to put bulk line on spinning reels. The
controls varied the speed of winding.

I tried to get drawings and BOM from the survivors, but they never
responded. I assume that was all destroyed. There was one sample unit
that worked, but no motors.

I never have been able to find a use for the controllers, but have
never had the courage to toss them, thinking that as soon as I did, I
would need them!

Regards, Paul.

[email protected] August 19th 15 05:34 AM

Foot Speed Control For Universal AC/DC Motors
 
Came across this same foot controler Wild_Bill. If you have the time to talk tome about it I'd appreciate it.
I know time and knowledge aren't cheap or provided on a whim. Thank you if you are willing.

Rex August 20th 15 03:53 AM

Foot Speed Control For Universal AC/DC Motors
 
On Thursday, February 19, 2009 at 11:31:43 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Feb 19, 3:47*am, "Wild_Bill" wrote:
I recently purchased some new and used foot speed controls for universal
type motors, the AC/DC brush and commutator type motors commonly found in
many Foredom and other flex shaft motors, early Dremel Moto and other brands
of rotary tools.

The oldest one I bought was made in the '40s possibly, and uses a carbon
resistance type element.

A Foredom model SCR-1, made about '84, has a circuit board with about a
dozen fairly common components on an actual circuit board.
The clever characteristic of this unit, is a unique twisted section of flat
steel, making a helix (kinda like the antique toy tops used a twisted
"screw" to make the top spin as it was pushed down from the extended
position).
This helix is attached to the movable pedal (with a swinging mount to allow
it to travel in an arc), and fits into a slot in a low cost pot (the type of
PCB-mounted pot with a slot that allows the helix to pass thru it) . As the
pedal is pushed down, the pot wiper moves clockwise as the helix twist
contact area changes, and then CCW as the pedal is allowed to raise to the
stop position.
A hole in the ciruit board under the pot allows the helix to pass thru far
enough for the pot to make a full sweep of the resistor track.
The start switch is activated by a flat section on the rim of the plastic
pot disk/dial, it's open when the pot is at zero, then as the pot is
advanced, the switch is closed as the flat moves away from the switch (the
flat spot functions as a low spot on a cam lobe).
The switch is just stamped from plated steel to fabricate the stationary,
and the moving arm part of the switch.
This model needs a spring to return the pedal to the up/stop position.

A new Foredom model FCT-1 doesn't have a circuit board or a spring, they
simply utilize a switch from a variable speed 120VAC power tool (such as
drill, saber saw, sander etc).
The switch plunger is oriented pointing up at the moveable pedal, so there
is no need for clever levers, fulcrums, springs or anything other than the
switch. In the full upward position the outlet power is off, press the pedal
down and the tool starts and speeds up as the pedal is pressed further down.
The odd thing about this model is, the label states that the current
capacity is 2.5 A, although the switch itself is clearly marked with a
rating of 6 A.

Some fairly recent Linemaster motor speed control units, model/catalog
number 980-SC3 are made with variable speed power tool switches, the same as
the Foredom FCT-1, but they are labeled as a 6 A rating.

I remember opening an old Necchi foot speed control as a pup, and it had
resistance/heater wire on a big ceramic block and a wiper to make a crude
rheostat to change the motor speed. Alternate your feet to warm them both.

--
WB
.........
metalworking projectswww.kwagmire.com/metal_proj.html


Do you have a use for the old style foot controls? Please let me know
if so! Several years go, at auction, I purchased a pallet full of
steel, bearings, gasket material and who knows what, including half a
case of new resistor type foot controls for universal motors. They
were part of an estate of a retired machinist. He made custom fishing
reel winders. The kind used to put bulk line on spinning reels. The
controls varied the speed of winding.

I tried to get drawings and BOM from the survivors, but they never
responded. I assume that was all destroyed. There was one sample unit
that worked, but no motors.

I never have been able to find a use for the controllers, but have
never had the courage to toss them, thinking that as soon as I did, I
would need them!

Regards, Paul.


Paul, I could actually use a couple of those. Usually they show up at garage sales, except when you are looking for one ;)

[email protected] August 20th 15 04:02 PM

Foot Speed Control For Universal AC/DC Motors
 
On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 10:53:11 PM UTC-4, Rex wrote:
On Thursday, February 19, 2009 at 11:31:43 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Feb 19, 3:47*am, "Wild_Bill" wrote:
I recently purchased some new and used foot speed controls for universal
type motors, the AC/DC brush and commutator type motors commonly found in
many Foredom and other flex shaft motors, early Dremel Moto and other brands
of rotary tools.

The oldest one I bought was made in the '40s possibly, and uses a carbon
resistance type element.

A Foredom model SCR-1, made about '84, has a circuit board with about a
dozen fairly common components on an actual circuit board.
The clever characteristic of this unit, is a unique twisted section of flat
steel, making a helix (kinda like the antique toy tops used a twisted
"screw" to make the top spin as it was pushed down from the extended
position).
This helix is attached to the movable pedal (with a swinging mount to allow
it to travel in an arc), and fits into a slot in a low cost pot (the type of
PCB-mounted pot with a slot that allows the helix to pass thru it) . As the
pedal is pushed down, the pot wiper moves clockwise as the helix twist
contact area changes, and then CCW as the pedal is allowed to raise to the
stop position.
A hole in the ciruit board under the pot allows the helix to pass thru far
enough for the pot to make a full sweep of the resistor track.
The start switch is activated by a flat section on the rim of the plastic
pot disk/dial, it's open when the pot is at zero, then as the pot is
advanced, the switch is closed as the flat moves away from the switch (the
flat spot functions as a low spot on a cam lobe).
The switch is just stamped from plated steel to fabricate the stationary,
and the moving arm part of the switch.
This model needs a spring to return the pedal to the up/stop position..

A new Foredom model FCT-1 doesn't have a circuit board or a spring, they
simply utilize a switch from a variable speed 120VAC power tool (such as
drill, saber saw, sander etc).
The switch plunger is oriented pointing up at the moveable pedal, so there
is no need for clever levers, fulcrums, springs or anything other than the
switch. In the full upward position the outlet power is off, press the pedal
down and the tool starts and speeds up as the pedal is pressed further down.
The odd thing about this model is, the label states that the current
capacity is 2.5 A, although the switch itself is clearly marked with a
rating of 6 A.

Some fairly recent Linemaster motor speed control units, model/catalog
number 980-SC3 are made with variable speed power tool switches, the same as
the Foredom FCT-1, but they are labeled as a 6 A rating.

I remember opening an old Necchi foot speed control as a pup, and it had
resistance/heater wire on a big ceramic block and a wiper to make a crude
rheostat to change the motor speed. Alternate your feet to warm them both.

--
WB
.........
metalworking projectswww.kwagmire.com/metal_proj.html


Do you have a use for the old style foot controls? Please let me know
if so! Several years go, at auction, I purchased a pallet full of
steel, bearings, gasket material and who knows what, including half a
case of new resistor type foot controls for universal motors. They
were part of an estate of a retired machinist. He made custom fishing
reel winders. The kind used to put bulk line on spinning reels. The
controls varied the speed of winding.

I tried to get drawings and BOM from the survivors, but they never
responded. I assume that was all destroyed. There was one sample unit
that worked, but no motors.

I never have been able to find a use for the controllers, but have
never had the courage to toss them, thinking that as soon as I did, I
would need them!

Regards, Paul.


Paul, I could actually use a couple of those. Usually they show
up at garage sales, except when you are looking for one ;)


And women use them alot for sewing machines.

Paul Drahn August 20th 15 09:07 PM

Foot Speed Control For Universal AC/DC Motors
 
On 8/19/2015 7:53 PM, Rex wrote:
On Thursday, February 19, 2009 at 11:31:43 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Feb 19, 3:47 am, "Wild_Bill" wrote:
I recently purchased some new and used foot speed controls for universal
type motors, the AC/DC brush and commutator type motors commonly found in
many Foredom and other flex shaft motors, early Dremel Moto and other brands
of rotary tools.

The oldest one I bought was made in the '40s possibly, and uses a carbon
resistance type element.

A Foredom model SCR-1, made about '84, has a circuit board with about a
dozen fairly common components on an actual circuit board.
The clever characteristic of this unit, is a unique twisted section of flat
steel, making a helix (kinda like the antique toy tops used a twisted
"screw" to make the top spin as it was pushed down from the extended
position).
This helix is attached to the movable pedal (with a swinging mount to allow
it to travel in an arc), and fits into a slot in a low cost pot (the type of
PCB-mounted pot with a slot that allows the helix to pass thru it) . As the
pedal is pushed down, the pot wiper moves clockwise as the helix twist
contact area changes, and then CCW as the pedal is allowed to raise to the
stop position.
A hole in the ciruit board under the pot allows the helix to pass thru far
enough for the pot to make a full sweep of the resistor track.
The start switch is activated by a flat section on the rim of the plastic
pot disk/dial, it's open when the pot is at zero, then as the pot is
advanced, the switch is closed as the flat moves away from the switch (the
flat spot functions as a low spot on a cam lobe).
The switch is just stamped from plated steel to fabricate the stationary,
and the moving arm part of the switch.
This model needs a spring to return the pedal to the up/stop position.

A new Foredom model FCT-1 doesn't have a circuit board or a spring, they
simply utilize a switch from a variable speed 120VAC power tool (such as
drill, saber saw, sander etc).
The switch plunger is oriented pointing up at the moveable pedal, so there
is no need for clever levers, fulcrums, springs or anything other than the
switch. In the full upward position the outlet power is off, press the pedal
down and the tool starts and speeds up as the pedal is pressed further down.
The odd thing about this model is, the label states that the current
capacity is 2.5 A, although the switch itself is clearly marked with a
rating of 6 A.

Some fairly recent Linemaster motor speed control units, model/catalog
number 980-SC3 are made with variable speed power tool switches, the same as
the Foredom FCT-1, but they are labeled as a 6 A rating.

I remember opening an old Necchi foot speed control as a pup, and it had
resistance/heater wire on a big ceramic block and a wiper to make a crude
rheostat to change the motor speed. Alternate your feet to warm them both.

--
WB
.........
metalworking projectswww.kwagmire.com/metal_proj.html


Do you have a use for the old style foot controls? Please let me know
if so! Several years go, at auction, I purchased a pallet full of
steel, bearings, gasket material and who knows what, including half a
case of new resistor type foot controls for universal motors. They
were part of an estate of a retired machinist. He made custom fishing
reel winders. The kind used to put bulk line on spinning reels. The
controls varied the speed of winding.

I tried to get drawings and BOM from the survivors, but they never
responded. I assume that was all destroyed. There was one sample unit
that worked, but no motors.

I never have been able to find a use for the controllers, but have
never had the courage to toss them, thinking that as soon as I did, I
would need them!

Regards, Paul.


Paul, I could actually use a couple of those. Usually they show up at garage sales, except when you are looking for one ;)

Wow! Where do people dredge up these old posts?

I will have to look to see if I have any left. Probable have to shovel
the dust off the box!

Paul


Rex August 21st 15 12:58 AM

Foot Speed Control For Universal AC/DC Motors
 
LOL. I had no idea your post was six years old!

Disregard

Rex


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