On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:41:48 -0600, the infamous "Pete C."
scrawled the following:

Larry Jaques wrote:
I strongly recommend against that, Terry. Once you set a price,
discounts seem to be the rule and people will think you're trying to
cheat them if your regular price is higher.

BTDT and got bitten for it.

Sometimes prices can be too low and prevent sales as well. I once worked
with a friend selling stuff at a hamfest, we had a big box of perfect
new Belden power cords marked $0.50/ea and they were not selling. We got
****ed, marked them up to $1/ea and sold out.

And in Robert Cialdini's book, _Influence_, the shop owner who left
word with her saleswoman to halve the price due to lack of sales is
another good story. The woman thought the note said to double the
price (missed the 1/ in 1/2?) and the items sold out within the week
at the 2X higher price.

Ed put me on to that book and I've quoted numerous items from it ever
since. Highly recommended, and reading it could -literally- save your
life. (Read Devictimizing Yourself in the Social Proof chapter.)
http://tinyurl.com/66epbt

--
Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in getting up every time we do.
-- Confucius

Pete C. wrote:
Larry Jaques wrote:
(...)
BTDT and got bitten for it.

Sometimes prices can be too low and prevent sales as well. I once worked
with a friend selling stuff at a hamfest, we had a big box of perfect
new Belden power cords marked $0.50/ea and they were not selling. We got
****ed, marked them up to $1/ea and sold out.

Just finished reading _Predictably Irrational_
_The Hidden Forces That Shape Our Decisions_ by Dan Ariely.
ISBN 978-0-06-135323-9
http://www.books-by-isbn.com/0-06/00...-135323-X.html

Absolutely Fascinating.

--Winston

On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:03:27 -0800, the infamous Winston
scrawled the following:

Pete C. wrote:
Larry Jaques wrote:
(...)
BTDT and got bitten for it.

Sometimes prices can be too low and prevent sales as well. I once worked
with a friend selling stuff at a hamfest, we had a big box of perfect
new Belden power cords marked $0.50/ea and they were not selling. We got
****ed, marked them up to $1/ea and sold out.

Just finished reading _Predictably Irrational_
_The Hidden Forces That Shape Our Decisions_ by Dan Ariely.
ISBN 978-0-06-135323-9
http://www.books-by-isbn.com/0-06/00...-135323-X.html

Absolutely Fascinating.

Swap for _Ricochet_?

--
Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in getting up every time we do.
-- Confucius

Larry Jaques wrote:
(...)

Swap for _Ricochet_?

I'd go for it, but the library might object.

I could spare Ira Flatow's _They All Laughed_
ISBN 978-0-06-092415-7

http://www.books-by-isbn.com/0-06/00...06-092415.html

Wudja Think?

--Winston

On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:36:28 -0800, the infamous Winston
scrawled the following:

Larry Jaques wrote:
(...)

Swap for _Ricochet_?

I'd go for it, but the library might object.

Yeah, they're picky about that. Shucks.

Good news: Our county library will open again by the end of December
2008. They closed it in April of 2007 due to loss of income. I want
to read the rest of John Ringo's books, and maybe I can find your
library book there.


I could spare Ira Flatow's _They All Laughed_
ISBN 978-0-06-092415-7

http://www.books-by-isbn.com/0-06/00...06-092415.html

Wudja Think?

Sounds like a plan. It's even autographed. (Nah, not by the author.
Who wants that?) By Sir Ed of Joisey (and maybe Sir Lawrence of
Oryguns.)

Gonna be anywhere near Concord in a couple weeks? I'll be down there,
bouncing between my sister's and Mom's flat in Valley Jo. Otherwise
we can mail 'em.

--
Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in getting up every time we do.
-- Confucius

Larry Jaques wrote:

(...)

Sounds like a plan. It's even autographed. (Nah, not by the author.
Who wants that?) By Sir Ed of Joisey (and maybe Sir Lawrence of
Oryguns.)

No such luck, I'm afeerd.

I shall pop this into the mail ASAP.

--Winston

On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 08:57:21 -0500, "Mark Dunning"
wrote:


"Pete C." wrote in message
nster.com...

Wes wrote:

"Terry Coombs" wrote:

I'm wondering where I'm open to liability , since you're the second
person
to mention insurance coverage . Perhaps in the event one of my units
fails ?
I can't see the bar unit itself failing , but perhaps the surface it's
mounted on ...

One thing to consider, are you a rock that a contingency fee lawyer is
going to be able to
squeeze water or blood out of?

Insurance is for people with something to lose. Of all things, I'd think
what you are
making is one of the safer things in manufacturing. Big assed bars over
the window, my
sawsall going through the wall, my bet is on the sawsall.

Bars over windows are feel good stuff. In the typical frame home, a
battery powered
sawsall can penetrate the wall, cut a hole, and you can reach in and
unlock the door.

I don't think I'd be worried about the insurance too much.

As I noted, one of the risks is his super duper security bars preventing
an occupant from escaping a fire.

When the oil boom went bust and a savings and loan scandal broke, rroperty
values declined in OKC in the mid 80s.

My neighbor had a set of bars installed on his house as the "hood" invaded
our subdivision . I expressed my concerns about fire and he showed me how
the bottom "lagbolts" were really just bolt heads welded to the frame and
the whole assembly would pivot on the top bolts. This allowed the grating
to pivot and the occupants to go out thru the window. I think only the
bedrooms were spoofed this way and the other windows had real mounts.

Very clever thinking.

I bought a big loud dog instead.

All the other houses on the street got burglarized, except his and mine.

Mark (Weimaraners Rule, Dude) Dunning

After the fourth time I told the alarm company canvassers to get lost
the next one to ring my doorbell (a petit Asian girl), I offered to
demonstrate my Staffordshire alarm system and Winchester anti-theft
equipment. About five minutes latter, one of the city's finest was at
my door. When I explained what had happened and he stopped laughing,
he suggested a no soliciting sign for my door, then if they persisted,
I would be justified in treating doorbell ringing pests as
trespassers, taking whatever steps required to get them across the
property line. Apparently the little Asian gal needed laundry help!
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:41:48 -0600, "Pete C."
wrote:


Larry Jaques wrote:

On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:02:24 -0600, the infamous "Terry Coombs"
scrawled the following:

AndrewV wrote:
"Terry Coombs" wrote in message
...

I do need to check with local FD rules , I'm sure there are
circumstances where I'll need a means to open from inside - without
compromising security . For a start , though , I've got a couple of
AC surrounds to bid . Condenser and window unit theft is a major
problem here . That might turn out to be enough business to keep
this going ... --
Snag
sometimes ya gotta
shovel manure
to pay the bills
First Good luck in your start-up If you provide a good quality
product, show up and get the job done, you won't have to worry about
being the low bid.

I've heard that before - because it's true . Might have ot let a few go a
bit cheaper to get the word out though . A happy customer can be the best
advertising you can get .

I strongly recommend against that, Terry. Once you set a price,
discounts seem to be the rule and people will think you're trying to
cheat them if your regular price is higher.

BTDT and got bitten for it.

Sometimes prices can be too low and prevent sales as well. I once worked
with a friend selling stuff at a hamfest, we had a big box of perfect
new Belden power cords marked $0.50/ea and they were not selling. We got
****ed, marked them up to $1/ea and sold out.
You also need a "good" price. several years ago I accompanied SWMBO to
a sales promotion meeting. It took some explaining to the presenter
that his item marked $22.50 would never sell, whereas, if he priced it
at $24.95, he would be sold out in no time.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 15:22:38 -0800, the infamous Winston
scrawled the following:

Larry Jaques wrote:

(...)

Sounds like a plan. It's even autographed. (Nah, not by the author.
Who wants that?) By Sir Ed of Joisey (and maybe Sir Lawrence of
Oryguns.)

No such luck, I'm afeerd.

I shall pop this into the mail ASAP.

Ditto southward.

--
Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in getting up every time we do.
-- Confucius

Terry Coombs wrote:
Nadogail wrote:
On 25 Nov, 10:12, "Terry Coombs" wrote:
I've decided to go into business for myself (been there before ...)
building window bars and A/C surrounds . I've checked a few local
fabricators , and I can beat their prices by a pretty fair margin .
Nothing fancy , just basic security bars . Just returned from the
steel yard with a load of stock for fabricating samples ...
Getting laid off last week might be a blessing !
--
Snag
When times get tough , break-ins go up ... are YOU protected ?
I too wish you luck. Where are you?

I'm in Memphis , Tn. - and we already got a crime problem , I just gotta
market my solution .
Bring a sample around to the local locksmiths and
leave them your card. They likely will be very
interested in somebody that can make custom work
quickly, and local.

Jon

Terry Coombs wrote:
Pete C. wrote:
Terry Coombs wrote:
I've decided to go into business for myself (been there before ...)
building window bars and A/C surrounds . I've checked a few local
fabricators , and I can beat their prices by a pretty fair margin .
Nothing fancy , just basic security bars . Just returned from the
steel yard with a load of stock for fabricating samples ...
Getting laid off last week might be a blessing !
Just be sure you get adequate liability insurance to cover your
posterior.

I'm wondering where I'm open to liability , since you're the second person
to mention insurance coverage . Perhaps in the event one of my units fails ?
I can't see the bar unit itself failing , but perhaps the surface it's
mounted on ...
The risk is imbeciles. Someone pays you X
thousand $ to bar up all their windows and doors.
Then the house catches on fire, and they can't
break out. Then, they sue you for "killing" their
family members.

Jon

Terry Coombs wrote:

(snip)
Ohhh , yeah ! I know it's double , been in business before . There's an
awful lot about being in business for yourself that the general public just
doesn't know about . And I think you might have the withholding percentages
wrong - though I haven't checked , and I know that since I was last in
business 1992 they have changed the structure of SSI and medicaid/medicare
withholding .
I wish they'd passed legislation that would let me handle that myself . I
trust me a hell of a lot more than I trust "them" . Been putting 6%+ away
over and above SSI for several years now .

Hi Terry,

No it's not really double.... There's a magic hole in the back yard of
each employer, that money seems to pop out of, for SSI... the money
kinda "miracles itself there". Where in "THE WIDE, WIDE WORLD of sports"
is Darwin when you need him most????

Good luck on the "putin' out the shingle thing", for me it's worth at
least $25 per hour just knowing what I'm doing tomorrow... Or maybe what
I'm "not" doing (I love to say NO SALE).

BTW, all the stuff about insuring and indemnity, do it (risk based on
books, but shop around). Also real friends don't mind if you take
forever cause you're busy, and you're getting a case of beer anyway (you
better)! Last, be friends with a real walk in welding or fabricating
shop so when someone (city, state, airport, etc.) finds you, you can say
"X" does that a lot and they can slip you in (make the call for them).

Oh, almost forgot, got caught in the AMT window 3 times before talking
to the tax lady about it, didn't know you can plop money in municipals,
get 10%, flip off the state and feds, and still do OK.

Matt (out'a the rat race 15 years now)!

Larry Jaques wrote:

Sawsall though an exterior wall. You are in. My 18v ryobi saw could do the job. I'm
sure DeWalt makes something much nicer.

Yeah, I've heard a few years ago that a 4" cordless chainsaw was one
of the newest tools of the break-in trade, used where they don't worry
about making noise. "Guard dogs" are one snack or round away from
quiet, and barbed wire is hopped in 3 seconds by tossing a blanket or
jacket on top. Add the "popping" trade (smack the lock pick with a
small hammer and it instantly opens any keyed lock) has made ALL locks
insecure, though medium length pry bars can open most front or back
doors in an instant, then can be used to break most door chains.

Actually a special 'bump' key is used along with the rap.

Didn't even think about the cordless chain saw. Or a conventional electric running off an
inverter in the get away vehical.

Backing a pickup into a house to open it up has been tried, too. That
still works.

Also makes it easier to load the gun safe in to the truck bed. Golf balls work wonders.

Ayup, if someone wants in, there are myriad quick and simple ways.

And if you don't want someone to come in, keep a damn low profile as to what you have.

Living in a decent area is the best way to protect your stuff, along with having neighbors
that keep an eye on each others place. That doesn't work so well in the country though.
But then gunshots are not noticed as much either.

Wes

"Jon Elson" wrote in message
...
Terry Coombs wrote:
Pete C. wrote:
Terry Coombs wrote:
I've decided to go into business for myself (been there before ...)
building window bars and A/C surrounds . I've checked a few local
fabricators , and I can beat their prices by a pretty fair margin .
Nothing fancy , just basic security bars . Just returned from the
steel yard with a load of stock for fabricating samples ...
Getting laid off last week might be a blessing !
Just be sure you get adequate liability insurance to cover your
posterior.

I'm wondering where I'm open to liability , since you're the second
person to mention insurance coverage . Perhaps in the event one of my
units fails ? I can't see the bar unit itself failing , but perhaps the
surface it's mounted on ...
The risk is imbeciles. Someone pays you X thousand $ to bar up all their
windows and doors. Then the house catches on fire, and they can't break
out. Then, they sue you for "killing" their family members.

Jon

And they'd be right. As a professional, you have the obligation NOT to do
something stupid. Like the patient who says, "Doc, go ahead and take my
brain out. I hardly ever use it anyway."

As an equipment operator, a crane operator, a welder, and lots of other
crafts, when some clueless person tells you to do something stupid and
illegal, you don't have to do it.

Like when yo mama said, "If Johnny jumps over the cliff
..............................."

Steve

Jon Elson wrote:
Terry Coombs wrote:
Nadogail wrote:
On 25 Nov, 10:12, "Terry Coombs" wrote:
I've decided to go into business for myself (been there before ...)
building window bars and A/C surrounds . I've checked a few local
fabricators , and I can beat their prices by a pretty fair margin .
Nothing fancy , just basic security bars . Just returned from the
steel yard with a load of stock for fabricating samples ...
Getting laid off last week might be a blessing !
--
Snag
When times get tough , break-ins go up ... are YOU protected ?
I too wish you luck. Where are you?

I'm in Memphis , Tn. - and we already got a crime problem , I just
gotta market my solution .
Bring a sample around to the local locksmiths and
leave them your card. They likely will be very
interested in somebody that can make custom work
quickly, and local.

Jon
A most excellent idea , thank you !!!
--
Snag
sometimes ya gotta
shovel manure
to pay the bills

Gerald Miller wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 08:57:21 -0500, "Mark Dunning"
wrote:


"Pete C." wrote in message
ster.com...

Wes wrote:

"Terry Coombs" wrote:

I'm wondering where I'm open to liability , since you're the
second person
to mention insurance coverage . Perhaps in the event one of my
units fails ?
I can't see the bar unit itself failing , but perhaps the surface
it's mounted on ...

One thing to consider, are you a rock that a contingency fee
lawyer is going to be able to
squeeze water or blood out of?

Insurance is for people with something to lose. Of all things,
I'd think what you are
making is one of the safer things in manufacturing. Big assed
bars over the window, my
sawsall going through the wall, my bet is on the sawsall.

Bars over windows are feel good stuff. In the typical frame home,
a battery powered
sawsall can penetrate the wall, cut a hole, and you can reach in
and unlock the door.

I don't think I'd be worried about the insurance too much.

As I noted, one of the risks is his super duper security bars
preventing an occupant from escaping a fire.

When the oil boom went bust and a savings and loan scandal broke,
rroperty values declined in OKC in the mid 80s.

My neighbor had a set of bars installed on his house as the "hood"
invaded our subdivision . I expressed my concerns about fire and
he showed me how the bottom "lagbolts" were really just bolt heads
welded to the frame and the whole assembly would pivot on the top
bolts. This allowed the grating to pivot and the occupants to go
out thru the window. I think only the bedrooms were spoofed this
way and the other windows had real mounts.

Very clever thinking.

I bought a big loud dog instead.

All the other houses on the street got burglarized, except his and
mine.

Mark (Weimaraners Rule, Dude) Dunning

After the fourth time I told the alarm company canvassers to get lost
the next one to ring my doorbell (a petit Asian girl), I offered to
demonstrate my Staffordshire alarm system and Winchester anti-theft
equipment. About five minutes latter, one of the city's finest was at
my door. When I explained what had happened and he stopped laughing,
he suggested a no soliciting sign for my door, then if they persisted,
I would be justified in treating doorbell ringing pests as
trespassers, taking whatever steps required to get them across the
property line. Apparently the little Asian gal needed laundry help!
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada


I'm laughin' my ass off at that one - of course that might be partly
because I'm kinda yaeh , right drunk right now ...
--
Snag
sometimes ya gotta
shovel manure
to pay the bills

SteveB wrote:
"Jon Elson" wrote in message
...
Terry Coombs wrote:
Pete C. wrote:
Terry Coombs wrote:
I've decided to go into business for myself (been there before
...) building window bars and A/C surrounds . I've checked a few
local fabricators , and I can beat their prices by a pretty fair
margin . Nothing fancy , just basic security bars . Just returned
from the steel yard with a load of stock for fabricating samples
... Getting laid off last week might be a blessing !
Just be sure you get adequate liability insurance to cover your
posterior.

I'm wondering where I'm open to liability , since you're the
second person to mention insurance coverage . Perhaps in the event
one of my units fails ? I can't see the bar unit itself failing ,
but perhaps the surface it's mounted on ...
The risk is imbeciles. Someone pays you X thousand $ to bar up all
their windows and doors. Then the house catches on fire, and they
can't break out. Then, they sue you for "killing" their family
members. Jon

And they'd be right. As a professional, you have the obligation NOT
to do something stupid. Like the patient who says, "Doc, go ahead
and take my brain out. I hardly ever use it anyway."

As an equipment operator, a crane operator, a welder, and lots of
other crafts, when some clueless person tells you to do something
stupid and illegal, you don't have to do it.

Like when yo mama said, "If Johnny jumps over the cliff
.............................."

Steve

But I did , and Johnny and I both survived ! Of course , Johnny is a
quadriplegic now ... My brain is churnin' , by the time I build the first
set for a kid's window , I'll have an answer . Had some great suggestions
already ...
--
Snag
sometimes ya gotta
shovel manure
to pay the bills

matthew maguire wrote:
Terry Coombs wrote:

(snip)
Ohhh , yeah ! I know it's double , been in business before .
There's an awful lot about being in business for yourself that the
general public just doesn't know about . And I think you might have
the withholding percentages wrong - though I haven't checked , and I
know that since I was last in business 1992 they have changed the
structure of SSI and medicaid/medicare withholding .
I wish they'd passed legislation that would let me handle that
myself . I trust me a hell of a lot more than I trust "them" . Been
putting 6%+ away over and above SSI for several years now .

Hi Terry,

No it's not really double.... There's a magic hole in the back yard of
each employer, that money seems to pop out of, for SSI... the money
kinda "miracles itself there". Where in "THE WIDE, WIDE WORLD of
sports" is Darwin when you need him most????

Good luck on the "putin' out the shingle thing", for me it's worth at
least $25 per hour just knowing what I'm doing tomorrow... Or maybe
what I'm "not" doing (I love to say NO SALE).

BTW, all the stuff about insuring and indemnity, do it (risk based on
books, but shop around). Also real friends don't mind if you take
forever cause you're busy, and you're getting a case of beer anyway
(you better)! Last, be friends with a real walk in welding or
fabricating shop so when someone (city, state, airport, etc.) finds
you, you can say "X" does that a lot and they can slip you in (make
the call for them).
Oh, almost forgot, got caught in the AMT window 3 times before talking
to the tax lady about it, didn't know you can plop money in
municipals, get 10%, flip off the state and feds, and still do OK.

Matt (out'a the rat race 15 years now)!

I'll read this one again tomorrow , when I'm sober ...
--
Snag
sometimes ya gotta
shovel manure
to pay the bills

On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 23:08:44 -0600, the infamous "Terry Coombs"
scrawled the following:

My brain is churnin' , by the time I build the first
set for a kid's window , I'll have an answer . Had some great suggestions
already ...

http://www.google.com/search?&q=fire-safety+window+bars

--
In all affairs it's a healthy thing now and then to hang a
question mark on the things you have long taken for granted.
-- Bertrand Russell

On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 14:46:23 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:


I'd go for it, but the library might object.

Yeah, they're picky about that. Shucks.

Good news: Our county library will open again by the end of December
2008. They closed it in April of 2007 due to loss of income. I want
to read the rest of John Ringo's books, and maybe I can find your
library book there.


You just want to read the sexy stuff in the Ghost series.

wink

Gunner, who has downloaded most of them from the binary groups, then
went out and bought hard copies.


"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist..."
Maj. Gen. John Sedgewick, killed by a sniper in 1864 at the battle of Spotsylvania

On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:42:13 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:14:49 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Wes wrote:
"Terry Coombs" wrote:

None of this stuff , mine or anyone else's , will stop a determined
professional . If they want in , they're gonna get in . My aim is to
make it difficult enough that they'll look for easier pickin's .
Most thieves are basically lazy , else they'd be workin' ...

Sawsall though an exterior wall. You are in. My 18v ryobi saw could
do the job. I'm sure DeWalt makes something much nicer.

But if the bars make them feel safer, which to some degree it does,
more the merrier.

Wes
Most of the perps around here wouldn't know which end of a Sawzall to
hold - hell , they don't even know how to hold a handgun ! Professional
thieves , on the other hand , are an entirely different matter . If they
want in , they're gonna get in . Best ya can do is slow 'em down .


Run a couple 220 volt wires through the wall where they would cut with
the sawzall and you MIGHT stop them cold on the front step.


Sigh..actually...no. They are way too well insulated.

Ask me how I know....sigh

Gunner

"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist..."
Maj. Gen. John Sedgewick, killed by a sniper in 1864 at the battle of Spotsylvania

On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:39:38 -0600, "Pete C."
wrote:


Mark Dunning wrote:

"Pete C." wrote in message
ster.com...

Wes wrote:

"Terry Coombs" wrote:

I'm wondering where I'm open to liability , since you're the second
person
to mention insurance coverage . Perhaps in the event one of my units
fails ?
I can't see the bar unit itself failing , but perhaps the surface it's
mounted on ...

One thing to consider, are you a rock that a contingency fee lawyer is
going to be able to
squeeze water or blood out of?

Insurance is for people with something to lose. Of all things, I'd think
what you are
making is one of the safer things in manufacturing. Big assed bars over
the window, my
sawsall going through the wall, my bet is on the sawsall.

Bars over windows are feel good stuff. In the typical frame home, a
battery powered
sawsall can penetrate the wall, cut a hole, and you can reach in and
unlock the door.

I don't think I'd be worried about the insurance too much.

As I noted, one of the risks is his super duper security bars preventing
an occupant from escaping a fire.

When the oil boom went bust and a savings and loan scandal broke, rroperty
values declined in OKC in the mid 80s.

My neighbor had a set of bars installed on his house as the "hood" invaded
our subdivision . I expressed my concerns about fire and he showed me how
the bottom "lagbolts" were really just bolt heads welded to the frame and
the whole assembly would pivot on the top bolts. This allowed the grating
to pivot and the occupants to go out thru the window. I think only the
bedrooms were spoofed this way and the other windows had real mounts.

Very clever thinking.

Personally, if I were to make such bars, the four corner bolts would be
sleeved through the wall and secured with pins on a rip cord type
mechanism. Perfectly secure normally, but pull the rip cord and just
push the bars off.

Ive seen the bars hinged, with the off side held in place with a rod
running through the other two pins. Quite effective and very fast to
pull the rod and swing the bar asside

Gunner

"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist..."
Maj. Gen. John Sedgewick, killed by a sniper in 1864 at the battle of Spotsylvania

On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:08:19 -0800, the infamous Gunner Asch
scrawled the following:

On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 14:46:23 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:


I'd go for it, but the library might object.

Yeah, they're picky about that. Shucks.

Good news: Our county library will open again by the end of December
2008. They closed it in April of 2007 due to loss of income. I want
to read the rest of John Ringo's books, and maybe I can find your
library book there.


You just want to read the sexy stuff in the Ghost series.

wink

Aw, you know me too well, Gunner. domg

I read the _Ghost_ novel and want more, yes. I really like books by
Richard Marcinko ($10.25 for 9 of them, -including- s/h thru eBay),
David Drake, and David Weber (Honor Harrington and the TreeCats.)


Gunner, who has downloaded most of them from the binary groups, then
went out and bought hard copies.

Tired of them yet? I don't read online. It's just too hard on me poor
li'l astigmatized eyes.

I started James Webb's _Fields of Fire_ last night.

--
In all affairs it's a healthy thing now and then to hang a
question mark on the things you have long taken for granted.
-- Bertrand Russell

On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 15:22:38 -0800, the infamous Winston
scrawled the following:

Larry Jaques wrote:

(...)

Sounds like a plan. It's even autographed. (Nah, not by the author.
Who wants that?) By Sir Ed of Joisey (and maybe Sir Lawrence of
Oryguns.)

No such luck, I'm afeerd.

I shall pop this into the mail ASAP.

I received it on Monday and see that you got _Ricochet_ yesterday.
Danke mucho, monsieur.

--
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Larry Jaques wrote:
(...)

I received it on Monday and see that you got _Ricochet_ yesterday.
Danke mucho, monsieur.

Thanks, Larry and Ed.

I shall treat _Ricochet_ gently and send it back ASAP.
Please let me know if you would like it returned sooner.

--Winston

"Winston" wrote in message
...
Larry Jaques wrote:
(...)

I received it on Monday and see that you got _Ricochet_ yesterday.
Danke mucho, monsieur.

Thanks, Larry and Ed.

I shall treat _Ricochet_ gently and send it back ASAP.
Please let me know if you would like it returned sooner.

--Winston

Take your time; I'm in no hurry for it. If someone else wants to read it,
pass it along. I've branded it. g

--
Ed Huntress

On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:39:05 -0500, the infamous "Ed Huntress"
scrawled the following:


"Winston" wrote in message
...
Larry Jaques wrote:
(...)

I received it on Monday and see that you got _Ricochet_ yesterday.
Danke mucho, monsieur.

Thanks, Larry and Ed.

I shall treat _Ricochet_ gently and send it back ASAP.
Please let me know if you would like it returned sooner.

--Winston

Take your time; I'm in no hurry for it. If someone else wants to read it,
pass it along. I've branded it. g

So did I, and I hope Winnie will, too. It'll be a running log of
Wreck Metalheads who've read it and passed it on.

Who needs a lousy author's sig? vbg

--
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:39:05 -0500, the infamous "Ed Huntress"
scrawled the following:
(...)

Take your time; I'm in no hurry for it. If someone else wants to read it,
pass it along. I've branded it. g

Thanks, Ed.
I will put it back in circulation in a couple weeks.

So did I, and I hope Winnie will, too. It'll be a running log of
Wreck Metalheads who've read it and passed it on.

Jeeze Larry,

Did you discuss that with Ed, first?
I mean, it sounds charming and all, but it ain't my property.
If you get my meaning and *I think you do*...


--Winnie

"Winston" wrote in message
...
Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:39:05 -0500, the infamous "Ed Huntress"
scrawled the following:
(...)

Take your time; I'm in no hurry for it. If someone else wants to read
it, pass it along. I've branded it. g

Thanks, Ed.
I will put it back in circulation in a couple weeks.

So did I, and I hope Winnie will, too. It'll be a running log of
Wreck Metalheads who've read it and passed it on.

Jeeze Larry,

Did you discuss that with Ed, first?
I mean, it sounds charming and all, but it ain't my property.
If you get my meaning and *I think you do*...


--Winnie

It ain't first-edition classic literature. g If you want to sign it, go
ahead.

--
Ed Huntress

Ed Huntress wrote:
(...)
It ain't first-edition classic literature. g If you want to sign it, go
ahead.

That's very generous of you. Thanks!

--Winston

On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:43:34 -0800, the infamous Winston
scrawled the following:

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:39:05 -0500, the infamous "Ed Huntress"
scrawled the following:
(...)

Take your time; I'm in no hurry for it. If someone else wants to read it,
pass it along. I've branded it. g

Thanks, Ed.
I will put it back in circulation in a couple weeks.

So did I, and I hope Winnie will, too. It'll be a running log of
Wreck Metalheads who've read it and passed it on.

Jeeze Larry,

Did you discuss that with Ed, first?
I mean, it sounds charming and all, but it ain't my property.
If you get my meaning and *I think you do*...

I had thought that Ed was giving it away so I guess I may have
"Oops"ed! (Ed, what's your stance? I apologize if I've blown it.
As well, there will be -no- charge for my autograph.

--
Smell is a potent wizard that transports you across
thousands of miles and all the years you have lived.
-- Helen Keller

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:43:34 -0800, the infamous Winston
scrawled the following:

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:39:05 -0500, the infamous "Ed Huntress"
scrawled the following:
(...)

Take your time; I'm in no hurry for it. If someone else wants to read
it,
pass it along. I've branded it. g

Thanks, Ed.
I will put it back in circulation in a couple weeks.

So did I, and I hope Winnie will, too. It'll be a running log of
Wreck Metalheads who've read it and passed it on.

Jeeze Larry,

Did you discuss that with Ed, first?
I mean, it sounds charming and all, but it ain't my property.
If you get my meaning and *I think you do*...

I had thought that Ed was giving it away so I guess I may have
"Oops"ed! (Ed, what's your stance? I apologize if I've blown it.
As well, there will be -no- charge for my autograph.

I'd like to have it back eventually. If it gets lost, I won't cry. Remember,
that's an editor's review copy. I didn't pay anything for it.

I got it because I wanted to see if there was an article worth writing about
the way NRA handled the Heller case (very badly). There may be, but it's not
in that book.

BTW, if you noticed the single mention of Rich Miller late in the book,
that's the guy I worked with when I was doing my lobbying and editorial
writing about our assault weapon ban, back in the early '90s. I had some
contact with the others mentioned but not with Richard Feldman, the book's
author, until I talked to him by phone a few months ago.

--
Ed Huntress