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That's something you don't have to worry about because it sounds like you'll
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What's a creel? gd&r


That's something you don't have to worry about because it sounds like you'll
never catch a fish. d8-)


Ed, I live right next door (OK, 350 yards and two lots away, plus 50'
of elevation, thank goodness) to a river where I could take a mask and
snorkel and physically grab salmon or steelhead as it swam by several
times a year. You could close your eyes and throw a gig and get one.
BUT, I don't fish, so...

And this is in years where the runs are very limited compared to a
couple decades ago. I still can't believe that the gov't protects
those damned seals and sea lions who are causing all the trouble.
Grrr!

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On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:49:35 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed
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What's a creel? gd&r

That's something you don't have to worry about because it sounds like
you'll
never catch a fish. d8-)


Ed, I live right next door (OK, 350 yards and two lots away, plus 50'
of elevation, thank goodness) to a river where I could take a mask and
snorkel and physically grab salmon or steelhead as it swam by several
times a year. You could close your eyes and throw a gig and get one.
BUT, I don't fish, so...

And this is in years where the runs are very limited compared to a
couple decades ago. I still can't believe that the gov't protects
those damned seals and sea lions who are causing all the trouble.
Grrr!


But...but,,,if you lived close to the seals and sea lions, you'd be on their
side. g


I doubt 'er, Bill.


Hey, it looks like Palin did a George Bush on the polar bears, speaking of
mammals that people love and hate. She suppressed reports from her own state
scientists that says the bears are in bad shape, so she could sue the
federal government to keep them off the endangered list. They get in the way
of drilling for oil, you see...

Warning: You won't like this article. g

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us...4palin.html?hp


No, I don't. Not only because it's a political hit piece (judging by
the tone and content, I'd give 1,000,000:1 odds that the writers are
staunch Democrats), but because it brings to light more of the down
side of Sarah Palin.

A quick writer background check:
Goodman - graduate of Berkeley, decadal worker @ Washington Post.
Powell - seems to run the political blog and appears to write articles
only about Obama. (I didn't read it.)
Becker - seems to be the token conservative in this trio.

Warning: You won't like this article. g

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/11/us...11chicago.html


Regarding your concern for the animals: Ed, why don't you move to
Alaska so you can save the polar bears? (and your seals/sea lions) g

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On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 20:50:45 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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What's a creel? gd&r

That's something you don't have to worry about because it sounds like
you'll
never catch a fish. d8-)

Ed, I live right next door (OK, 350 yards and two lots away, plus 50'
of elevation, thank goodness) to a river where I could take a mask and
snorkel and physically grab salmon or steelhead as it swam by several
times a year. You could close your eyes and throw a gig and get one.
BUT, I don't fish, so...

And this is in years where the runs are very limited compared to a
couple decades ago. I still can't believe that the gov't protects
those damned seals and sea lions who are causing all the trouble.
Grrr!


But...but,,,if you lived close to the seals and sea lions, you'd be on
their
side. g


I doubt 'er, Bill.


Hey, it looks like Palin did a George Bush on the polar bears, speaking of
mammals that people love and hate. She suppressed reports from her own
state
scientists that says the bears are in bad shape, so she could sue the
federal government to keep them off the endangered list. They get in the
way
of drilling for oil, you see...

Warning: You won't like this article. g

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us...4palin.html?hp


No, I don't. Not only because it's a political hit piece (judging by
the tone and content, I'd give 1,000,000:1 odds that the writers are
staunch Democrats), but because it brings to light more of the down
side of Sarah Palin.


Well, what the hell? Would you send a bunch of Republicans to do an
investigative story about Palin? C'mon, Larry, think about incentives here.
They're the key to everything, including uncovering the muck that McCain's
campaign operatives would rather cover up. Whoever you send on that job, you
don't want it to be someone who would finish the day in the hotel bar,
yukking it up with McCain's campaign handlers.


A quick writer background check:
Goodman - graduate of Berkeley, decadal worker @ Washington Post.
Powell - seems to run the political blog and appears to write articles
only about Obama. (I didn't read it.)
Becker - seems to be the token conservative in this trio.

Warning: You won't like this article. g

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/11/us...11chicago.html


Jeez, I read that months ago. Would you call that a political hit piece? g

They vetted Obama slowly over the course of a year. With Palin, they have a
few weeks. Expect them to focus on the part that's missing, the part that
the McCain campaign hasn't served up on a platter of press releases: the
things that question and examine what Peggy Noonan called "the narrative."

That's what the press is supposed to do. That's why Thomas Jefferson, who
was brutalized by a truly vicious and partisan press, beyond anything that
could be published today except on the Web, said that, given the choice of
government without newspapers or newspapers without government, he'd take
the latter.

I got a bad whiff of Palin almost from the start. I don't claim special
insight but I'll tell you what that whiff smelled like to me, and from whom
I've smelled it befo Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and,
in spades, Newt Gingrich and Tom DeLay. It's the smell of ambition run amok,
the kind that's so overpowering to the individual who has it that the
underlying focus is entirely on that person's success, in which the
ostensible object -- the well-being of the American people, for example --
becomes a surrogate and a symbol for the real object they want to
aggrandize, which is themselves. To such people, all things are justified if
they contribute to achieving self-justification and personal glory. As
Maureen Dowd put it today, Palin is a Napolean in bunny boots. Palin might
describe herself as being on a mission from God.



Regarding your concern for the animals: Ed, why don't you move to
Alaska so you can save the polar bears? (and your seals/sea lions) g


The polar bears can take care of themselves, thank you. All they need is a
little good press from time to time. If they're pushed back because of
Arctic melting, they'll survive in smaller numbers. There's little that will
change that in the short run, anyway. But if they're pushed *out*, they
could have a much harder time.

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scientists that says the bears are in bad shape, so she could sue the
federal government to keep them off the endangered list. They get in the
way
of drilling for oil, you see...

Warning: You won't like this article. g

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us...4palin.html?hp


No, I don't. Not only because it's a political hit piece (judging by
the tone and content, I'd give 1,000,000:1 odds that the writers are
staunch Democrats), but because it brings to light more of the down
side of Sarah Palin.


Well, what the hell? Would you send a bunch of Republicans to do an
investigative story about Palin? C'mon, Larry, think about incentives here.
They're the key to everything, including uncovering the muck that McCain's
campaign operatives would rather cover up. Whoever you send on that job, you
don't want it to be someone who would finish the day in the hotel bar,
yukking it up with McCain's campaign handlers.


Whatever happened to a neutral press? sigh


A quick writer background check:
Goodman - graduate of Berkeley, decadal worker @ Washington Post.
Powell - seems to run the political blog and appears to write articles
only about Obama. (I didn't read it.)
Becker - seems to be the token conservative in this trio.

Warning: You won't like this article. g

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/11/us...11chicago.html


Jeez, I read that months ago. Would you call that a political hit piece? g


Nah, but it's the best I could do on short notice.


They vetted Obama slowly over the course of a year. With Palin, they have a
few weeks. Expect them to focus on the part that's missing, the part that
the McCain campaign hasn't served up on a platter of press releases: the
things that question and examine what Peggy Noonan called "the narrative."


Yeah, I'm unhappy that the honeymoon with Sarah was so short. Lots of
people are already getting the 7 year itch.


That's what the press is supposed to do. That's why Thomas Jefferson, who
was brutalized by a truly vicious and partisan press, beyond anything that
could be published today except on the Web, said that, given the choice of
government without newspapers or newspapers without government, he'd take
the latter.


Interesting.


I got a bad whiff of Palin almost from the start. I don't claim special
insight but I'll tell you what that whiff smelled like to me, and from whom
I've smelled it befo Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and,
in spades, Newt Gingrich and Tom DeLay. It's the smell of ambition run amok,


I got that from Bill and Hillary, and I sensed the same thing from
Barack. Now I'm getting it from Sarah. Ayup, politics stink.

With Bill Clinton, I saw him on TV with the audio muted and
immediately distrusted him. Nothing I saw after that relieved it a
bit. I heard Obama and got the same feeling of distrust.


the kind that's so overpowering to the individual who has it that the
underlying focus is entirely on that person's success, in which the
ostensible object -- the well-being of the American people, for example --
becomes a surrogate and a symbol for the real object they want to
aggrandize, which is themselves. To such people, all things are justified if
they contribute to achieving self-justification and personal glory. As
Maureen Dowd put it today, Palin is a Napolean in bunny boots. Palin might
describe herself as being on a mission from God.


Yeah, the religious aspect has me gagging already, too.


Regarding your concern for the animals: Ed, why don't you move to
Alaska so you can save the polar bears? (and your seals/sea lions) g


The polar bears can take care of themselves, thank you. All they need is a
little good press from time to time. If they're pushed back because of
Arctic melting, they'll survive in smaller numbers. There's little that will
change that in the short run, anyway. But if they're pushed *out*, they
could have a much harder time.


Arctic melting would push them in and I don't think anyone will get in
their way. No worries, except for deceitful filmmakers faking bears
swimming for their lives. Effin' Gore...

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mind of a fighter pilot in her.

Are you certain it was the MIND?
Gerry :-)}
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On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 13:50:01 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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scientists that says the bears are in bad shape, so she could sue the
federal government to keep them off the endangered list. They get in the
way
of drilling for oil, you see...

Warning: You won't like this article. g

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us...4palin.html?hp

No, I don't. Not only because it's a political hit piece (judging by
the tone and content, I'd give 1,000,000:1 odds that the writers are
staunch Democrats), but because it brings to light more of the down
side of Sarah Palin.


Well, what the hell? Would you send a bunch of Republicans to do an
investigative story about Palin? C'mon, Larry, think about incentives
here.
They're the key to everything, including uncovering the muck that McCain's
campaign operatives would rather cover up. Whoever you send on that job,
you
don't want it to be someone who would finish the day in the hotel bar,
yukking it up with McCain's campaign handlers.


Whatever happened to a neutral press? sigh


When did such a thing ever exist? The great days of American journalism were
the days of the partisan press, where every city had three or four
newspapers, all representing a different interest group.

We had a short spell during which the new "professionalism" of the press
(which started in the mid-'50s) was associated with neutral objectivity. But
that was a thin layer on top that didn't last. By design or accident,
though, today's press is vastly less partisan than anything we had in the US
before the mid-'50s.



A quick writer background check:
Goodman - graduate of Berkeley, decadal worker @ Washington Post.
Powell - seems to run the political blog and appears to write articles
only about Obama. (I didn't read it.)
Becker - seems to be the token conservative in this trio.

Warning: You won't like this article. g

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/11/us...11chicago.html


Jeez, I read that months ago. Would you call that a political hit piece?
g


Nah, but it's the best I could do on short notice.


They vetted Obama slowly over the course of a year. With Palin, they have
a
few weeks. Expect them to focus on the part that's missing, the part that
the McCain campaign hasn't served up on a platter of press releases: the
things that question and examine what Peggy Noonan called "the narrative."


Yeah, I'm unhappy that the honeymoon with Sarah was so short. Lots of
people are already getting the 7 year itch.


She had a good run. Most people only get 15 minutes. g

She will continue to be a lightning rod for the rest of the campaign. The
free ride is over, but she could still be the influence that flips the
election. A lot of people have invested their hopes and desires in her, like
tossing coins into a wishing well. Or maybe a piñata will turn out to be a
better analogy.



That's what the press is supposed to do. That's why Thomas Jefferson, who
was brutalized by a truly vicious and partisan press, beyond anything that
could be published today except on the Web, said that, given the choice of
government without newspapers or newspapers without government, he'd take
the latter.


Interesting.


I got a bad whiff of Palin almost from the start. I don't claim special
insight but I'll tell you what that whiff smelled like to me, and from
whom
I've smelled it befo Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and,
in spades, Newt Gingrich and Tom DeLay. It's the smell of ambition run
amok,


I got that from Bill and Hillary, and I sensed the same thing from
Barack. Now I'm getting it from Sarah. Ayup, politics stink.

With Bill Clinton, I saw him on TV with the audio muted and
immediately distrusted him. Nothing I saw after that relieved it a
bit. I heard Obama and got the same feeling of distrust.


the kind that's so overpowering to the individual who has it that the
underlying focus is entirely on that person's success, in which the
ostensible object -- the well-being of the American people, for example --
becomes a surrogate and a symbol for the real object they want to
aggrandize, which is themselves. To such people, all things are justified
if
they contribute to achieving self-justification and personal glory. As
Maureen Dowd put it today, Palin is a Napolean in bunny boots. Palin might
describe herself as being on a mission from God.


Yeah, the religious aspect has me gagging already, too.


Regarding your concern for the animals: Ed, why don't you move to
Alaska so you can save the polar bears? (and your seals/sea lions) g


The polar bears can take care of themselves, thank you. All they need is a
little good press from time to time. If they're pushed back because of
Arctic melting, they'll survive in smaller numbers. There's little that
will
change that in the short run, anyway. But if they're pushed *out*, they
could have a much harder time.


Arctic melting would push them in and I don't think anyone will get in
their way. No worries, except for deceitful filmmakers faking bears
swimming for their lives. Effin' Gore...


Out of curiosity, do you have any good leads on that story? I heard it, but
I was too busy at the time to investigate it. Don't bother looking for it. I
can Google it, I just wondered if you have any particular information.

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Over in rec.aviation.military the thought is that McCain sensed the
mind of a fighter pilot in her.


Indeed...she would fit the Standard Model

Motivated, smart, cockey, sharp as hell and ruthless as a straight
razor.



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On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:57:08 -0700 (PDT), Jim Wilkins
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Are you certain it was the MIND?


Well, he might have been thinking of getting a little head. Is there a
difference?

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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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Whatever happened to a neutral press? sigh


When did such a thing ever exist? The great days of American journalism were
the days of the partisan press, where every city had three or four
newspapers, all representing a different interest group.


I've always fantasized them as being neutral. shrug


We had a short spell during which the new "professionalism" of the press
(which started in the mid-'50s) was associated with neutral objectivity. But
that was a thin layer on top that didn't last. By design or accident,
though, today's press is vastly less partisan than anything we had in the US
before the mid-'50s.


Yeah, some of them are really trying. The good ones eschew politics,
as we all should. looks at his feet and shakes his head


Yeah, I'm unhappy that the honeymoon with Sarah was so short. Lots of
people are already getting the 7 year itch.


She had a good run. Most people only get 15 minutes. g


True. Hell, she may rebound in the debates. Um, I don't think I'll
hold my breath for that, though.


She will continue to be a lightning rod for the rest of the campaign. The
free ride is over, but she could still be the influence that flips the
election. A lot of people have invested their hopes and desires in her, like
tossing coins into a wishing well. Or maybe a piñata will turn out to be a
better analogy.


Hey, 30 pounds ago I'd have struck my rod up against that piñata.


Arctic melting would push them in and I don't think anyone will get in
their way. No worries, except for deceitful filmmakers faking bears
swimming for their lives. Effin' Gore...


Out of curiosity, do you have any good leads on that story? I heard it, but
I was too busy at the time to investigate it. Don't bother looking for it. I
can Google it, I just wondered if you have any particular information.


I think it was in the Brit newspapers or BBC regarding numerous things
they had to put disclaimers on to use the film in Brit schools, and
that was one. It was proven that the polar bear scene in Algore's
movie was done using special effects, it wasn't footage. (P.S: _All_
polar bears swim as a matter of course.)

http://globalwarming-factorfiction.c...venient-truth/


http://tingilinde.typepad.com/starst...in_an_inc.html
--snip--
Error#5 Polar Bears dying
Gore says a scientific study shows that polar bears are being killed
swimming long distances to find ice that has melted away because of
“global warming.” They are not. The study, by Monnett & Gleason
(2005), mentioned just four dead bears. They had died in a huge storm,
with high winds and waves in the Beaufort Sea. The amount of sea ice
in the Beaufort Sea has grown over the past 30 years. A report for the
World Wide Fund for Nature shows that polar bears, which are
warm-blooded, have grown in numbers where temperature has increased,
and have become fewer where temperature has fallen. Polar bears
survived the last interglacial period when global temperature was 5
degrees Celsius warmer than now, and there was probably no Arctic
ice-cap at all. The real threat to polar bears is not “global warming”
but hunting.
--snip--
http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=3719791&page=1 This reminds me of
the $125,000 reward for the person who can prove that Global
Warming(kumbaya) exists. Have you read any headlines on who won, Ed? I
didn't think so. Keep fishing, bruddah.

Mo
http://www.worldclimatereport.com/in...g-polar-bears/

OK, time for me to get to work.

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Whatever happened to a neutral press? sigh


When did such a thing ever exist? The great days of American journalism
were
the days of the partisan press, where every city had three or four
newspapers, all representing a different interest group.


I've always fantasized them as being neutral. shrug


We had a short spell during which the new "professionalism" of the press
(which started in the mid-'50s) was associated with neutral objectivity.
But
that was a thin layer on top that didn't last. By design or accident,
though, today's press is vastly less partisan than anything we had in the
US
before the mid-'50s.


Yeah, some of them are really trying. The good ones eschew politics,
as we all should. looks at his feet and shakes his head


I think I've consumed enough NG space with these long discussions, but I
must react to that. The ancient Greeks knew that politics in a democracy is
the most important thing going on. It's still true. There is nothing
messier, more frustrating, or more essential. If you turn your back on it,
you've turned your back on everything that matters. Nobody said it should be
easy, clean, pure, or satisfying. It's just necessary to get into it, up to
your elbows, because there's no one else to do the job. And the job will be
done, with you or without you.

As Aristotle said, "Man is by nature a political animal." Denying that
nature doesn't make one morally righteous or pure; it just makes him
irrelevant.

On that note, it's time to move on to something else, I think. (Thanks for
the leads on the polar bears. I want to find out about that.)

--
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On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:57:08 -0700 (PDT), Jim Wilkins
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Over in rec.aviation.military the thought is that McCain sensed the
mind of a fighter pilot in her.


Indeed...she would fit the Standard Model

Motivated, smart, cockey, sharp as hell and ruthless as a straight
razor.


Humble, too? (Humility is being known for what you really are.
Pride is wanting to be known for what you're not.)

I've noticed that about Fighter Jocks, that they are very humble.
I mean, when you're the best, there really isn't any reason to pretend
to be anything less, now is there?


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over walking into the saloon, because when I asked the bartender
whether they served zombies he said, ‘Sure, what'll you have?'"
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Yeah, some of them are really trying. The good ones eschew politics,
as we all should. looks at his feet and shakes his head


I think I've consumed enough NG space with these long discussions, but I
must react to that. The ancient Greeks knew that politics in a democracy is
the most important thing going on. It's still true. There is nothing
messier, more frustrating, or more essential. If you turn your back on it,
you've turned your back on everything that matters. Nobody said it should be
easy, clean, pure, or satisfying. It's just necessary to get into it, up to
your elbows, because there's no one else to do the job. And the job will be
done, with you or without you.


Yeah, that's why I'm still in these discussions...


As Aristotle said, "Man is by nature a political animal." Denying that
nature doesn't make one morally righteous or pure; it just makes him
irrelevant.


Hell, I thought we'd established that about me eons ago. g


On that note, it's time to move on to something else, I think. (Thanks for
the leads on the polar bears. I want to find out about that.)


De nada.

--
Guard well within yourself that treasure, kindness. Know how to give without
hesitation, how to lose without regret, how to acquire without meanness.
-- George Sand
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