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get rid of Windows nags
My CNC control doesn't work with windows updates on or virus software in
place... Somebody (I think "the kid" but maybe me) accidentally turned the updates on and it crashed the control. Its too easy to do - the damn thing nags constantly. Is there a way to permanently disable virus and update requests on windows XP? Karl |
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Karl,
Go to Control Panel Security Manage security settings Select: turn off automatic updates Repeat for firewall if desired. -- ______________________________ Keep the whole world singing . . . . DanG (remove the sevens) "Karl Townsend" wrote in message anews.com... My CNC control doesn't work with windows updates on or virus software in place... Somebody (I think "the kid" but maybe me) accidentally turned the updates on and it crashed the control. Its too easy to do - the damn thing nags constantly. Is there a way to permanently disable virus and update requests on windows XP? Karl |
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On Jun 29, 11:14*am, "Karl Townsend"
wrote: ... Is there a way to permanently disable virus and update requests on windows XP? Karl This is usually a good help site for PC problems. http://www.pchell.com/ |
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"DanG" wrote in message ... Karl, Go to Control Panel Security Manage security settings Select: turn off automatic updates Repeat for firewall if desired. While you are there, go to "Change the way Windows alerts me" and get rid of the nags. |
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and, after you do that, make sure the machine has no connection to the
internet and you will be safe "Tom Gardner" wrote in message ... "DanG" wrote in message ... Karl, Go to Control Panel Security Manage security settings Select: turn off automatic updates Repeat for firewall if desired. While you are there, go to "Change the way Windows alerts me" and get rid of the nags. ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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Thank you, Tom, I knew I forgot something but couldn't think what
it was. -- ______________________________ Keep the whole world singing . . . . DanG (remove the sevens) "Tom Gardner" wrote in message ... "DanG" wrote in message ... Karl, Go to Control Panel Security Manage security settings Select: turn off automatic updates Repeat for firewall if desired. While you are there, go to "Change the way Windows alerts me" and get rid of the nags. |
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and, after you do that, make sure the machine has no connection to the internet and you will be safe This is my follow up question. I pulled the three CNC machines off my LAN for now. Is there some way to connect my CNC machines to the office computer so i can download Gcode and backup machine setup but do nothing else and let nothing from the outside in? Note: The office computer is internet connected. Today, I have a DSL modem, then router, then a peer to peer LAN through out the place. Karl |
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On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:40:02 -0500, the renowned "Karl Townsend"
wrote: and, after you do that, make sure the machine has no connection to the internet and you will be safe This is my follow up question. I pulled the three CNC machines off my LAN for now. Is there some way to connect my CNC machines to the office computer so i can download Gcode and backup machine setup but do nothing else and let nothing from the outside in? Note: The office computer is internet connected. I'm not a network guru, but here are a couple of suggestions: The simplest way would probably be to set up the firewall in your router to block all communication between the IP addresses of your CNC machines and the WAN (internet). Another way would be to pop another network card into your office computer and use that for your shop network. By default it should not bridge packets between the two networks. If it's a higher end machine, it might even have two network cards already (all three of my office machines do, the later ones it's all on the motherboard). Today, I have a DSL modem, then router, then a peer to peer LAN through out the place. Karl Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com |
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"Karl Townsend" wrote in message news.com... and, after you do that, make sure the machine has no connection to the internet and you will be safe This is my follow up question. I pulled the three CNC machines off my LAN for now. Is there some way to connect my CNC machines to the office computer so i can download Gcode and backup machine setup but do nothing else and let nothing from the outside in? Note: The office computer is internet connected. Today, I have a DSL modem, then router, then a peer to peer LAN through out the place. Karl The router's firewall will protect the whole network to a great degree. Go to: http://www.grc.com/default.htm and run "Shields Up". |
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On Jun 29, 10:40 am, "Karl Townsend"
wrote: This is my follow up question. I pulled the three CNC machines off my LAN for now. Is there some way to connect my CNC machines to the office computer Run the free version of ZoneAlarm on the CNC machines and all 3, prohibit all IP addresses except from the office PC. ZoneAlarm will ask the first time but check the "Always do this" and click "Deny" Dave |
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"Karl Townsend" wrote in message news.com... and, after you do that, make sure the machine has no connection to the internet and you will be safe This is my follow up question. I pulled the three CNC machines off my LAN for now. Is there some way to connect my CNC machines to the office computer so i can download Gcode and backup machine setup but do nothing else and let nothing from the outside in? Note: The office computer is internet connected. Today, I have a DSL modem, then router, then a peer to peer LAN through out the place. Karl the absolute simplest, and most secure approach is to use an "air gap" - plug the machines into your network to do what you need, then disconnect them again. the simplest way is to get a $10 hub, connect the machines to the hub, bring a single wire from the hub to your router and plug it in when you need to, then disconnect when done. ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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The router's firewall will protect the whole network to a great degree. Go to: http://www.grc.com/default.htm and run "Shields Up". OK, I went there and read about a bunch of stuff I don't understand. its talking about unbinding services on NT4. Sounds a bit dated to me. Is this right? My first impression is this is a really good way to hose everything. Karl |
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The router should have MAC address filtering. That is, you should be able to put the ethernet hardware addresses of the computers you don't want accessing the Internet in the router configuration. That will allow those computers to participate on the local network while not having access to the WAN (Internet). If your router doesn't have such filtering capabilities, suggest get a better one. All the Linksys Cable/DSL routers I've set up have that capability. I've got a linksys router. This sounds good but I'm really uninformed (dumb) here. Anybody know of a good step by step tutorial? Karl |
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On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:26:19 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm,
"Karl Townsend" quickly quoth: The router should have MAC address filtering. That is, you should be able to put the ethernet hardware addresses of the computers you don't want accessing the Internet in the router configuration. That will allow those computers to participate on the local network while not having access to the WAN (Internet). If your router doesn't have such filtering capabilities, suggest get a better one. All the Linksys Cable/DSL routers I've set up have that capability. I've got a linksys router. This sounds good but I'm really uninformed (dumb) here. Anybody know of a good step by step tutorial? RTFcheatsheet, Karl. Didn't it come with a poster-sized Routers for Dummies installation sheet? Try the Knowledge Base at Micro$oft: www.microsoft.com (If it's still being given away.) -- Such is the irresistible nature of truth that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing. -- Thomas Paine |
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"Black Dragon" wrote in message .... Thanks for the great advice. Karl |
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"Karl Townsend" wrote in message anews.com... The router's firewall will protect the whole network to a great degree. Go to: http://www.grc.com/default.htm and run "Shields Up". OK, I went there and read about a bunch of stuff I don't understand. its talking about unbinding services on NT4. Sounds a bit dated to me. Is this right? My first impression is this is a really good way to hose everything. Karl I just use Shields Up (one of the tabs) to check common ports, it will tell you if they are accessible on the internet by bad guys. Nothing is installed or changed. Your router's firewall will protect your systems from all but a determined targeted non-random attack by experts with a lot of time and sophistication. Any Gov. agencies after you? |
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On 2008-06-29, Karl Townsend wrote:
My CNC control doesn't work with windows updates on or virus software in place... Somebody (I think "the kid" but maybe me) accidentally turned the updates on and it crashed the control. Its too easy to do - the damn thing nags constantly. Is there a way to permanently disable virus and update requests on windows XP? Umm ... cut off "the kid"s hands so he can't type or work the mouse? Remove windows and install some other OS? Personally, I would *never* let a Windows box being used as a machine control gain access to the net. *Period*. There is no reason that it should, and plenty of reasons why it should not. And as long as it can't get out, you don't have to worry about updates. And if systems on the outside can't get in, you don't have to worry about virus updates either. And -- you'll probably have to clean the disk and reinstall to get rid of your problems. (At least you aren't stuck with "Windows Genuine Advantage" wanting to talk to home after every loose screw gets tightened as you would be with Vista. :-) If you *have* to have it on an internal net, keep a separate firewall machine which is told to prevent allowing that machine to contact the outside for updates or anything else. Good Luck, DoN. -- Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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On 2008-06-29, Karl Townsend wrote:
and, after you do that, make sure the machine has no connection to the internet and you will be safe This is my follow up question. I pulled the three CNC machines off my LAN for now. Is there some way to connect my CNC machines to the office computer so i can download Gcode and backup machine setup but do nothing else and let nothing from the outside in? Note: The office computer is internet connected. Do you have an empty slot in the office machine? Install an extra ethernet card, and direct connect it to the CNC machines through a stand-alone hub. Make sure you resist any attempts of the office machine to get you to allow it to route between networks, which would defeat what you want to do. Today, I have a DSL modem, then router, then a peer to peer LAN through out the place. Break the lan with the extra ethernet card in the office machine, and allow connections to the CNC machines only through that ethernet port. I could tell you how to set it up on unix boxen, you'll have to get it from someone else for Windows -- especially how to keep it from routing between the two nets. I'll bet that Windows will want to do the routing by default, and you'll have to fight it to keep it from doing that. Good Luck, DoN. -- Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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I just use Shields Up (one of the tabs) to check common ports, it will tell you if they are accessible on the internet by bad guys. Nothing is installed or changed. Your router's firewall will protect your systems from all but a determined targeted non-random attack by experts with a lot of time and sophistication. Any Gov. agencies after you? Only the IRS, BATF, Dept. of Health, OSHA, FSA,MN Ag, and a few others. My biggest scare was when a child died with e-coli and they were looking for a cause. The child's class had just been to an apple orchard and ate my apples. Karl |
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"Karl Townsend" wrote in message news.com... I just use Shields Up (one of the tabs) to check common ports, it will tell you if they are accessible on the internet by bad guys. Nothing is installed or changed. Your router's firewall will protect your systems from all but a determined targeted non-random attack by experts with a lot of time and sophistication. Any Gov. agencies after you? Only the IRS, BATF, Dept. of Health, OSHA, FSA,MN Ag, and a few others. My biggest scare was when a child died with e-coli and they were looking for a cause. The child's class had just been to an apple orchard and ate my apples. Karl It would seem to me that apples would not be high on the list of possibilities. I would think that ground crops are much more likely. You don't spray your apples with poor, do you? I didn't think so. What IS going on with these tainted crops? |
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Tom Gardner wrote:
"Karl Townsend" wrote in message news.com... I just use Shields Up (one of the tabs) to check common ports, it will tell you if they are accessible on the internet by bad guys. Nothing is installed or changed. Your router's firewall will protect your systems from all but a determined targeted non-random attack by experts with a lot of time and sophistication. Any Gov. agencies after you? Only the IRS, BATF, Dept. of Health, OSHA, FSA,MN Ag, and a few others. My biggest scare was when a child died with e-coli and they were looking for a cause. The child's class had just been to an apple orchard and ate my apples. Karl It would seem to me that apples would not be high on the list of possibilities. I would think that ground crops are much more likely. You don't spray your apples with poor, do you? I didn't think so. What IS going on with these tainted crops? Ground water and animal production. -- John R. Carroll www.machiningsolution.com |
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 03:54:27 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm,
"Karl Townsend" quickly quoth: I just use Shields Up (one of the tabs) to check common ports, it will tell you if they are accessible on the internet by bad guys. Nothing is installed or changed. Your router's firewall will protect your systems from all but a determined targeted non-random attack by experts with a lot of time and sophistication. Any Gov. agencies after you? Only the IRS, BATF, Dept. of Health, OSHA, FSA,MN Ag, and a few others. My biggest scare was when a child died with e-coli and they were looking for a cause. The child's class had just been to an apple orchard and ate my apples. You're fibbing, Karl. You're not under attack by the BATF because they now go by the name of BATFE (Now with EXPLOSIVES!). And, um, darn, whassisname is right in his sig. The Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms should be a convenience store, not a gov't agency. ;-) -- Such is the irresistible nature of truth that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing. -- Thomas Paine |
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On Jun 30, 9:23*am, Black Dragon wrote:
... There has been a lot of bad advice handed out in this thread from running zone alarm firewall on your CNC controls to installing some other operating system. Much of that advice is based entirely on ignorance and anti-Microsoft bias, which are often mutually inclusive. Black Dragon What is your objection to ZoneAlarm? ProcessExplorer shows ZA loaded but inactive when off-line. I have only this one old PC normally connected to the Internet but the others have their connections set up, with restricted user rights, for the few cases where I can't transfer files by flash drive. Microsoft Update, for example, is much simpler when it's connected to the PC being updated. |
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