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clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada wrote in
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And when CEOs make billions for loosing 10s of billions of dollars you
KNOW the economy is in a HUGE world of hope.


"HOPE"? I don't THINK so!

"HURT" is much more like it!

When CEOs start to settle for a reasonable level of pay companies can
afford to manufacture things here again, and workers can work for an
"honest" wage, and not see the extreme difference between what they
earn PRODUCING and what CEOs earn screwing things up.


CEOs are like Doctors in that they have to make all of their money in a
very short period.

CEOs are unlike Doctors in that they don't have irrationally-high Liability
Insurance payments that have to come out of their own pockets.

Still, a CEO is usually paid according to a Legal Contract between
him/herself and an employer. These contracts often have "Performance"
clauses based NOT on the profitability of the company but upon the revenues
and/or stock performance of the company.

The best-known high-dollar payouts have been the result of a CEO's firing
when the company had to buy-out the CEO's contract.

FWIW, most of the bitching I've seen about CEO payscales seems to come from
individuals who couldn't do a CEO's job and are simply jealous that THEY
couldn't collect that much money. evil grin



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On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:33:09 -0700, the renowned Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 10:32:38 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm,
Spehro Pefhany quickly quoth:

On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:33:50 -0700, the renowned Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:49:13 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm,
clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada quickly quoth:

On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 05:36:20 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

What do you think about taking oil/gas under the public utility
umbrella? I like the idea but haven't quite thought it through yet.

Public utility? What dat?
Hydro used to be public in Ontario. Ain't no more.
Natural gas used to be public utility in many cities. Only a few still
hanging on.
Even our highways are going into private hands - along with airports,
etc etc.

How is that working out for y'all?


All the private sector competition is resulting in higher prices, more
user fees, and taxes only increasing slowly ('till they have spent all
the proceeds from selling off publically owned assets, of course)


Since when does competition increase prices?!?


When a sort of monopoly (a bridge, an expressway, a concession at an
airport, space in the RF spectrum) is sold to the highest bidder...
IOW when the competition is in gaining control over the captive
customers rather than serving the customers.


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On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:04:18 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Apr 14, 4:29 am, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:56:59 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Apr 9, 5:27 am, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
Well it looks like we will definitely see $4 dollar gas this summer.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080408/...and;_ylt=Alg4Q...

Any thoughts as to how this will affect us HSMers in the shop?


I already find myself limiting the distance I will drive to view,
purchase and pickup machines and supplies for my shop.


TMT


Wow, $4 a gallon! - thats a really good price, where can I get some? -
here in OZ its $5.30 a gallon, and climbing. Predicted to be $5.67 by
end of next week - something to do with the price of crude in
Singapore going up.) Must be those pesky liberals again, making life
difficult for you guys...


(Gunner will respond with "proof" that this is so....)


Andrew VK3BFA.


Lefties will of course blame this on Bush.

Gunner


That would be far too simplistic Gunner - comforting, yes, but
accurate - no. He is just one silly person , the nominal head of a
whole system that has the planet drowning in its own garbage.
Replacing Mr Bush with "someone else" would make no difference.


Be sure to broadcast this datum to the Left.

But if you feel comfortable blaming left or right, thats fine -
nothing said here can change your mind in any way beyond reinforcing
lifelong beliefs.


See above.

Interestingly enough, the younger people are increasingly blaming our
generation for the mess the world is in. They don't get bogged down in
dinosaur politics - its irrelevant to them - they just damn us all! -
as long as we can find a convenient left/right scapegoat to absolve us
from actually taking any real responsibility at a personal level, they
may well be right.

Andrew VK3bFA.


The young generally didnt give a **** about anything other than sound
bytes with zip data backing those sound bytes up.

Meism and Nowism along with Cliche politics is more their forte.

Gunner



"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr
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On Apr 14, 1:51 am, Gunner Asch wrote:

DINOSAUR POLITICS!

What a delightful characterization of
your position.

I will leave you with a sample of the depth of "strategy"
of our commander (sic) in chief:
"We've gotta stop them over there BEFORE they
come over here".

You don't have to be a liberal to see how STUPID
THAT is.

Citizen Jimserac
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On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 00:30:17 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm,
Spehro Pefhany quickly quoth:

On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:33:09 -0700, the renowned Larry Jaques
wrote:


How is that working out for y'all?

All the private sector competition is resulting in higher prices, more
user fees, and taxes only increasing slowly ('till they have spent all
the proceeds from selling off publically owned assets, of course)


Since when does competition increase prices?!?


When a sort of monopoly (a bridge, an expressway, a concession at an
airport, space in the RF spectrum) is sold to the highest bidder...
IOW when the competition is in gaining control over the captive
customers rather than serving the customers.


Sorta like those uckerfays in oil futures, eh? sigh

I wouldn't call it competition, though. It's more like price gouging.

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On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 02:46:56 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Eregon
quickly quoth:

CEOs are like Doctors in that they have to make all of their money in a
very short period.


WhatEVER are you talking about? When's the last time you saw a
silver-haired doctor? I see pictures of them in the newspaper every
week. Most doctors have a 40 year run, minimum. (Unless they, too,
suffer heart problems like their patients.)

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After enlightenment, chop wood, haul water.
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On Apr 14, 11:01 am, Bill wrote:
Citizen Jimserac wrote in news:9aee4af6-228a-410b-
:



On Apr 14, 1:51 am, Gunner Asch wrote:


DINOSAUR POLITICS!


What a delightful characterization of
your position.


I will leave you with a sample of the depth of "strategy"
of our commander (sic) in chief:
"We've gotta stop them over there BEFORE they
come over here".


You don't have to be a liberal to see how STUPID
THAT is.


Citizen Jimserac


No, but you have to be a liberal to be stupid enough to make such a
statement.

How in your view is stopping them before they come over here and blow up
more stuff and kill more civilians a lack of depth in strategy?? If
someone tells me that they are going to kill my family and blow up my house
I'm not going to wait until it happens, I'm going to make sure one way or
another it CAN'T happen.

Bill


BECAUSE WITH OUR OPEN BORDERS AND PORTS...
THEY'RE ALREADY HERE. OBVIOUS.

Citizen Jimserac
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On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:33:09 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 10:32:38 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm,
Spehro Pefhany quickly quoth:

On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:33:50 -0700, the renowned Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:49:13 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm,
clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada quickly quoth:

On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 05:36:20 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

What do you think about taking oil/gas under the public utility
umbrella? I like the idea but haven't quite thought it through yet.

Public utility? What dat?
Hydro used to be public in Ontario. Ain't no more.
Natural gas used to be public utility in many cities. Only a few still
hanging on.
Even our highways are going into private hands - along with airports,
etc etc.

How is that working out for y'all?


All the private sector competition is resulting in higher prices, more
user fees, and taxes only increasing slowly ('till they have spent all
the proceeds from selling off publically owned assets, of course)


Since when does competition increase prices?!?



Since shareholders demand a positive return and CEOs get multimillion
dollar bonuses.

It's all about PROFIT - and don't tell me you really believe their is
such a thing as COMPETITION in the ENERGY business. I'll bet you
believe in the easter bunny too!!
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