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On Apr 14, 10:55*am, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
"Bill" wrote in message

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Citizen Jimserac wrote in news:9aee4af6-228a-410b-
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On Apr 14, 1:51 am, Gunner Asch wrote:


DINOSAUR POLITICS!


What a delightful characterization of
your position.


I will leave you with a sample of the depth of "strategy"
of our commander (sic) in chief:
"We've gotta stop them over there BEFORE they
come over here".


You don't have to be a liberal to see how STUPID
THAT is.


Citizen Jimserac


No, but you have to be a liberal to be stupid enough to make such a
statement.


How in your view is stopping them before they come over here and blow up
more stuff and kill more civilians a lack of depth in strategy?? *If
someone tells me that they are going to kill my family and blow up my
house
I'm not going to wait until it happens, I'm going to make sure one way or
another it CAN'T happen.


Because there's nothing stopping them *now* from coming over here and
blowing up more stuff. And there are fewer trained people here now to stop
them. Our defensive resources are busy, over there.

Bill, the whole idea that we're "stopping them" over there, so they won't
come over here, may be the stupidist strategy idea in the history of the US.
The people we're stopping "over there" aren't the same people who would come
over here, in the first place. Fighting them over there just increases their
incentive to strike over here. And we're wasting our resources fighting
thousands of them over there, when what we really need to do is to protect
against perhaps dozens of them attacking over here. See 9/11 for reference..

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And logic would dictate that the next dozen of terrorists have easily
slipped into the United States along with the millions of illegal
aliens that Bush has allowed to freely cross our boarders.

The blame for the next 9/11 lies squarely on Bush and those who
support him.

TMT

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Citizen Jimserac wrote in
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BECAUSE WITH OUR OPEN BORDERS AND PORTS...
THEY'RE ALREADY HERE. OBVIOUS.

Citizen Jimserac


You need to find caps lock key and turn it off or did you mean to look
completely unhinged.

The boarders need to be tightened up quite a bit and I completely disagree
with the way the President and Congress has dropped the ball, kicked it and
then walked the other way to find it but if you haven't noticed the bad
guys are mostly focused on the middle east since we bitch slapped Saddam.
I'd rather have Al-Qaeda and friends over there trying to blow up people
and places then right in the US trying the same thing.

I'm sure there are sleeper cells all over the US but since they are still
trying to prove we can be driven out of the middle east they've not spent
the energy to do more damage here which allows the Alphabet soup groups
along with homeland security more leeway in finding the ones here.

Bill
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clare, at, snyder, dot, ontario, dot, canada wrote:

On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:37:38 -0700, Larry Jaques
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Bbbbut, you're all lumberjacks (and you're OK), aren't you?


All the lumberjacks are either east of the Ottawa valley or north of
ther 49th. The vast majority of us Canuks live south of the 49th in
central ontario.



So you're not OK? ;-)


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On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:35:16 -0700 (PDT), Citizen Jimserac
wrote:

On Apr 14, 1:51 am, Gunner Asch wrote:

DINOSAUR POLITICS!

What a delightful characterization of
your position.

I will leave you with a sample of the depth of "strategy"
of our commander (sic) in chief:
"We've gotta stop them over there BEFORE they
come over here".

You don't have to be a liberal to see how STUPID
THAT is.

Citizen Jimserac


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"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr
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On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:17:34 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
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clare, at, snyder, dot, ontario, dot, canada wrote:

On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:37:38 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:.

Bbbbut, you're all lumberjacks (and you're OK), aren't you?


All the lumberjacks are either east of the Ottawa valley or north of
ther 49th. The vast majority of us Canuks live south of the 49th in
central ontario.



So you're not OK? ;-)


'e puts on women's clothing and hangs around in bars
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Too_Many_Tools wrote in news:81209b9d-8ea9-436a-
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And what has the Republican Congress been doing for a decade or two in
the mean time?


Trying to keep the Dumberncraps from spending MY money!

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Larry Jaques wrote in
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On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 02:46:56 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Eregon
quickly quoth:

CEOs are like Doctors in that they have to make all of their money in a
very short period.


WhatEVER are you talking about? When's the last time you saw a
silver-haired doctor? I see pictures of them in the newspaper every
week. Most doctors have a 40 year run, minimum. (Unless they, too,
suffer heart problems like their patients.)


This past Friday - two of them, in fact.

While some continue as "Family Practice Specialists" [AKA GP's], the rapid
advance of medicine renders many specialists - including many Surgeons -
obsolete within 20 years.

For that matter, large numbers of Specialists have elected to revert to
being GPs simply because of the insanely-high Malpractice Insurance
Premiums demanded for their specialities. [Neurosurgery, for example]


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clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada wrote in
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On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 02:46:56 GMT, Eregon wrote:

clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada wrote in
m:

And when CEOs make billions for loosing 10s of billions of dollars you
KNOW the economy is in a HUGE world of hope.


"HOPE"? I don't THINK so!

"HURT" is much more like it!

Darn spell checker!!!!!!!
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You're forgiven. g

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Too_Many_Tools wrote in
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On Apr 13, 8:46*pm, Eregon wrote:
clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada wrote
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And when CEOs make billions for loosing 10s of billions of dollars
you KNOW the economy is in a HUGE world of hope.


"HOPE"? I don't THINK so!

"HURT" is much more like it!

When CEOs start to settle for a reasonable level of pay companies
can afford to manufacture things here again, and workers can work
for an "honest" wage, and not see the extreme difference between
what they earn PRODUCING and what CEOs earn screwing things up.


CEOs are like Doctors in that they have to make all of their money in
a very short period.

CEOs are unlike Doctors in that they don't have irrationally-high
Liabilit

y
Insurance payments that have to come out of their own pockets.

Still, a CEO is usually paid according to a Legal Contract between
him/herself and an employer. These contracts often have "Performance"
clauses based NOT on the profitability of the company but upon the
revenue

s
and/or stock performance of the company.

The best-known high-dollar payouts have been the result of a CEO's
firing when the company had to buy-out the CEO's contract.

FWIW, most of the bitching I've seen about CEO payscales seems to
come fro

m
individuals who couldn't do a CEO's job and are simply jealous that
THEY couldn't collect that much money. evil grin


Incorrect.

If they were based on performance we would not see time and again CEOs
raping a company and taking a golden parachute worth tens/hundreds of
millions on their way out.

TMT


Sure we would - it's in their CONTRACT! G

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On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:55:44 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed
Huntress" quickly quoth:


"Bill" wrote in message
How in your view is stopping them before they come over here and blow up
more stuff and kill more civilians a lack of depth in strategy?? If
someone tells me that they are going to kill my family and blow up my
house
I'm not going to wait until it happens, I'm going to make sure one way or
another it CAN'T happen.


Because there's nothing stopping them *now* from coming over here and
blowing up more stuff. And there are fewer trained people here now to stop
them. Our defensive resources are busy, over there.


What? You feel that our highly trained airport goons aren't any good?
That our holey border fences north and south won't stop the tangoes?


Bill, the whole idea that we're "stopping them" over there, so they won't
come over here, may be the stupidist strategy idea in the history of the US.
The people we're stopping "over there" aren't the same people who would come
over here, in the first place. Fighting them over there just increases their
incentive to strike over here.


Ironic, ain't it?


And we're wasting our resources fighting
thousands of them over there, when what we really need to do is to protect
against perhaps dozens of them attacking over here. See 9/11 for reference.


Awww, you were doing so well, too, Ed. The glitch is that we cannot
protect ourselves or our country from terrorist attacks, period. We
can catch several (maybe even most) attempts, but we can't get all of
them. And that included both foreign and domestic terrorists. You or
anyone you know (or don't know) could cause any one of hundreds of
terrorist acts and nobody would be the wiser until it was over.
That's its beauty (when our military needs it) and terror (when they
do it to us.)

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