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The union handling crane erection in NYC has to be proud of their fine
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* wrote: The union handling crane erection in NYC has to be proud of their fine craftsmanship and work safety these days.................. Yeah, The union should buy all their victims the nicest coffins made, which would be non union. They already had a building fall in on them, they don't need the bottom of their coffin to drop out. -- aioe.org is home to cowards and terrorists Add this line to your news proxy nfilter.dat file * drop Path:*aioe.org!not-for-mail to drop all aioe.org traffic. http://improve-usenet.org/index.html |
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On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:57:36 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: * wrote: The union handling crane erection in NYC has to be proud of their fine craftsmanship and work safety these days.................. Yeah, The union should buy all their victims the nicest coffins made, which would be non union. They already had a building fall in on them, they don't need the bottom of their coffin to drop out. From the snippets that have gotten out so far, they dropped something and broke one of the sway-links between the crane and the building while they were 'jacking up' the crane. Which in and of itself shouldn't have dropped the crane IF they were following the proper procedures with the crane properly balanced and no wind... -- Bruce -- |
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Hawkie wrote: I'm expecting you to be saying lots of nice things about the people that ran Bear Sterns. After all they weren't in a union so they're off limits. We all have our bears to cross, big bird. Idiots and thieves are all the same, whether they carry a membership card, or not. -- aioe.org is home to cowards and terrorists Add this line to your news proxy nfilter.dat file * drop Path:*aioe.org!not-for-mail to drop all aioe.org traffic. http://improve-usenet.org/index.html |
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The union handling crane erection in NYC has to be proud of their fine craftsmanship and work safety these days.................. Lowest common denominator, once again? Probably a business cost cutting measure. Like the recent one where Southwest Airlines wanted to save money and decided they didn't want to perform all the required maintenance on some of their planes. Lucky for them they didn't have any crashes but that's management for you. When things start going poorly for them they do whatever they think they need to if they want to return to profitability. You guys are always quick on the draw to pin anything you can to the union but have nothing but praise for the managers. I'm expecting you to be saying lots of nice things about the people that ran Bear Sterns. After all they weren't in a union so they're off limits. Hawke |
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On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 01:13:10 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: Hawkie wrote: I'm expecting you to be saying lots of nice things about the people that ran Bear Sterns. After all they weren't in a union so they're off limits. We all have our bears to cross, big bird. Idiots and thieves are all the same, whether they carry a membership card, or not. Bingo. Greed and malfeasance is not related to color of collar. |
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Hawke wrote in article ... The union handling crane erection in NYC has to be proud of their fine craftsmanship and work safety these days.................. Lowest common denominator, once again? Probably a business cost cutting measure. Like the recent one where Southwest Airlines wanted to save money and decided they didn't want to perform all the required maintenance on some of their planes. Lucky for them they didn't have any crashes but that's management for you. Interestingly, the A&P mechanics who service these planes and sign off on their safety are union people. Why weren't THEY standing up and refusing to sign off on these possibly unsafe planes? And, don't give me that BS about being overridden by management. The MLB players union recently threatened to boycott the Japan trip because coaches were not going to be paid. The truth is that the union couldn't care less about the traveling public.....just their own members. If it were up to me, the first thing I would go after would be the licenses of the mechanics - union or not - who signed off and allowed these planes to continue to fly without undergoing the required safety inspection...... |
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* wrote: If it were up to me, the first thing I would go after would be the licenses of the mechanics - union or not - who signed off and allowed these planes to continue to fly without undergoing the required safety inspection...... Followed by their pension, life savings, homes and everything else they own. -- aioe.org is home to cowards and terrorists Add this line to your news proxy nfilter.dat file * drop Path:*aioe.org!not-for-mail to drop all aioe.org traffic. http://improve-usenet.org/index.html |
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... Hawkie wrote: I'm expecting you to be saying lots of nice things about the people that ran Bear Sterns. After all they weren't in a union so they're off limits. We all have our bears to cross, big bird. Idiots and thieves are all the same, whether they carry a membership card, or not. Wow, I can hardly believe my eyes. You can actually determine that crooked bosses exist. Here I though you could only find fault with unions. Hawke |
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"*" wrote in message news:01c88aa4$5147f8c0$ec90c3d8@race... Hawke wrote in article ... The union handling crane erection in NYC has to be proud of their fine craftsmanship and work safety these days.................. Lowest common denominator, once again? Probably a business cost cutting measure. Like the recent one where Southwest Airlines wanted to save money and decided they didn't want to perform all the required maintenance on some of their planes. Lucky for them they didn't have any crashes but that's management for you. Interestingly, the A&P mechanics who service these planes and sign off on their safety are union people. Why weren't THEY standing up and refusing to sign off on these possibly unsafe planes? And, don't give me that BS about being overridden by management. The MLB players union recently threatened to boycott the Japan trip because coaches were not going to be paid. The truth is that the union couldn't care less about the traveling public.....just their own members. If it were up to me, the first thing I would go after would be the licenses of the mechanics - union or not - who signed off and allowed these planes to continue to fly without undergoing the required safety inspection...... You missed something here. It isn't the union workers that determine what work is to be done on the planes. The union doesn't own the planes the company does. All the company does is hire the mechanics to do the work they assign to them. If they only give them half the assignments the FAA says are required it's not the responsibility of the union workers to fix that. If an airline is cutting costs that endanger that safety of the public it's up to the agency that oversees the industry to do something about it. Not the flight attendants, mechanics, or baggage handlers. So you are barking up the wrong tree and are blaming the wrong people. But that is to be expected when you are always looking to find fault with a union. In other words, when you're biased. Hawke |
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Hawke wrote: "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... Hawkie wrote: I'm expecting you to be saying lots of nice things about the people that ran Bear Sterns. After all they weren't in a union so they're off limits. We all have our bears to cross, big bird. Idiots and thieves are all the same, whether they carry a membership card, or not. Wow, I can hardly believe my eyes. You can actually determine that crooked bosses exist. Here I though you could only find fault with unions. Hawke No. Unions, Idiots and Thieves. I spotted you as an idiot the first time I read this newsgroup. I have yet to have any good experience with any union, and you don't forget the death threats. -- aioe.org is home to cowards and terrorists Add this line to your news proxy nfilter.dat file * drop Path:*aioe.org!not-for-mail to drop all aioe.org traffic. http://improve-usenet.org/index.html |
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Hawke wrote: You missed something here. It isn't the union workers that determine what work is to be done on the planes. The union doesn't own the planes the company does. No responsible worker will sign off on bad work, or work not done. All the company does is hire the mechanics to do the work they assign to them. If they only give them half the assignments the FAA says are required it's not the responsibility of the union workers to fix that. If an airline is cutting costs that endanger that safety of the public it's up to the agency that oversees the industry to do something about it. Not the flight attendants, mechanics, or baggage handlers. So you are barking up the wrong tree and are blaming the wrong people. But that is to be expected when you are always looking to find fault with a union. In other words, when you're biased. Hawke Hawkie, if you were any more biased, you would walk in tiny circles. -- aioe.org is home to cowards and terrorists Add this line to your news proxy nfilter.dat file * drop Path:*aioe.org!not-for-mail to drop all aioe.org traffic. http://improve-usenet.org/index.html |
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On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:55:43 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: * wrote: If it were up to me, the first thing I would go after would be the licenses of the mechanics - union or not - who signed off and allowed these planes to continue to fly without undergoing the required safety inspection...... Followed by their pension, life savings, homes and everything else they own. As far as I have read there is no claim that the inspections were falsely "signed off". Rather, that the inspections were not done. Maintenance or inspections of commercial or military aircraft is not a prerogative of individual mechanics and hasn't been for 50 years or so. It is all scheduled by a "Maintenance control" department. Another point that doesn't seem to be a part of the reports is what was the specified time period for the inspections to be accomplished? Some requirements are made "before the next flight" but others are "within the next 50 hours of flying time",or "at time of next 1,000 hour inspection". ******************************************* From Scientific American - 31 Jan 08 In 2003 nearly half of all Americans falsely assumed that the U.S. government had found solid evidence for a link between Iraq and al Qaeda. Nearly a quarter of Americans believed that investigators had all but confirmed the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, ****************************************** Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
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On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:44:00 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: Hawke wrote: You missed something here. It isn't the union workers that determine what work is to be done on the planes. The union doesn't own the planes the company does. No responsible worker will sign off on bad work, or work not done. All the company does is hire the mechanics to do the work they assign to them. If they only give them half the assignments the FAA says are required it's not the responsibility of the union workers to fix that. If an airline is cutting costs that endanger that safety of the public it's up to the agency that oversees the industry to do something about it. Not the flight attendants, mechanics, or baggage handlers. So you are barking up the wrong tree and are blaming the wrong people. But that is to be expected when you are always looking to find fault with a union. In other words, when you're biased. Hawke Hawkie, if you were any more biased, you would walk in tiny circles. He already has an outrigger with casters on one side. Anyone leaning that far to the Left would simply fall over without one. Gunner |
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Gunner wrote: On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:44:00 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Hawke wrote: You missed something here. It isn't the union workers that determine what work is to be done on the planes. The union doesn't own the planes the company does. No responsible worker will sign off on bad work, or work not done. All the company does is hire the mechanics to do the work they assign to them. If they only give them half the assignments the FAA says are required it's not the responsibility of the union workers to fix that. If an airline is cutting costs that endanger that safety of the public it's up to the agency that oversees the industry to do something about it. Not the flight attendants, mechanics, or baggage handlers. So you are barking up the wrong tree and are blaming the wrong people. But that is to be expected when you are always looking to find fault with a union. In other words, when you're biased. Hawke Hawkie, if you were any more biased, you would walk in tiny circles. He already has an outrigger with casters on one side. Anyone leaning that far to the Left would simply fall over without one. That, and having one foot nailed to the floor. Gunner -- aioe.org is home to cowards and terrorists Add this line to your news proxy nfilter.dat file * drop Path:*aioe.org!not-for-mail to drop all aioe.org traffic. http://improve-usenet.org/index.html |
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Michael A. Terrell wrote in article ... Hawke wrote: You missed something here. It isn't the union workers that determine what work is to be done on the planes. The union doesn't own the planes the company does. No responsible worker will sign off on bad work, or work not done. We're not talking "responsible workers" here. We're talking "it's-not-my-job, UNION workers. See Tweety Bird's explaination/excuse below. Sure, the mechanics were not TOLD to inspect the planes, but they still signed off on the planes being safe after performing other work on them - knowing that the planes were on the list for the inspection. All the company does is hire the mechanics to do the work they assign to them. If they only give them half the assignments the FAA says are required it's not the responsibility of the union workers to fix that. If an airline is cutting costs that endanger that safety of the public it's up to the agency that oversees the industry to do something about it. Not the flight attendants, mechanics, or baggage handlers. So you are barking up the wrong tree and are blaming the wrong people. But that is to be expected when you are always looking to find fault with a union. In other words, when you're biased. |
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On Mar 20, 10:30 pm, "Hawke" wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in ... We all have our bears to cross, big bird. Idiots and thieves are all the same, whether they carry a membership card, or not. Wow, I can hardly believe my eyes. You can actually determine that crooked bosses exist. Here I though you could only find fault with unions. No, the Union Card just makes it easier to spot them. |
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" wrote: On Mar 20, 10:30 pm, "Hawke" wrote: "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in ... We all have our bears to cross, big bird. Idiots and thieves are all the same, whether they carry a membership card, or not. Wow, I can hardly believe my eyes. You can actually determine that crooked bosses exist. Here I though you could only find fault with unions. No, the Union Card just makes it easier to spot them. Don't leave home without it! -- aioe.org is home to cowards and terrorists Add this line to your news proxy nfilter.dat file * drop Path:*aioe.org!not-for-mail to drop all aioe.org traffic. http://improve-usenet.org/index.html |
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in
: snip No, the Union Card just makes it easier to spot them. Don't leave home without it! I just look for the union label........ you know, just like the song Al Gore's mother sang to him....years before it was written..... Bill |
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"*" wrote in message news:01c88b6b$fc0051a0$f095c3d8@race... Michael A. Terrell wrote in article ... Hawke wrote: You missed something here. It isn't the union workers that determine what work is to be done on the planes. The union doesn't own the planes the company does. No responsible worker will sign off on bad work, or work not done. We're not talking "responsible workers" here. We're talking "it's-not-my-job, UNION workers. See Tweety Bird's explaination/excuse below. Sure, the mechanics were not TOLD to inspect the planes, but they still signed off on the planes being safe after performing other work on them - knowing that the planes were on the list for the inspection. All the company does is hire the mechanics to do the work they assign to them. If they only give them half the assignments the FAA says are required it's not the responsibility of the union workers to fix that. If an airline is cutting costs that endanger that safety of the public it's up to the agency that oversees the industry to do something about it. Not the flight attendants, mechanics, or baggage handlers. So you are barking up the wrong tree and are blaming the wrong people. But that is to be expected when you are always looking to find fault with a union. In other words, when you're biased. So when the airline makes a corporate decision to risk lives and not have their employees do the maintenance required by law that is the union workers fault. If you idiots believe that then I have done my job of showing how biased and ignorant you folks are. No matter what happens you always find everything is the union's fault and always hold the company harmless. Just like good brain dead republicans zombies. Your motto is the boss is always right. Unless you're Terrell and then they are making mistakes. What's wrong with this picture? Hawke |
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Hawke wrote:
You missed something here. It isn't the union workers that determine what work is to be done on the planes. The union doesn't own the planes the company does. No responsible worker will sign off on bad work, or work not done. All the company does is hire the mechanics to do the work they assign to them. If they only give them half the assignments the FAA says are required it's not the responsibility of the union workers to fix that. If an airline is cutting costs that endanger that safety of the public it's up to the agency that oversees the industry to do something about it. Not the flight attendants, mechanics, or baggage handlers. So you are barking up the wrong tree and are blaming the wrong people. But that is to be expected when you are always looking to find fault with a union. In other words, when you're biased. Hawke Hawkie, if you were any more biased, you would walk in tiny circles. He already has an outrigger with casters on one side. Anyone leaning that far to the Left would simply fall over without one. Gunner That's a good one coming from a guy who goes through life like an Indy Car, with the tires on one side bigger than on the other. It makes you turn to the right every time you move. Hawke |
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As far as I have read there is no claim that the inspections were falsely "signed off". Rather, that the inspections were not done. Maintenance or inspections of commercial or military aircraft is not a prerogative of individual mechanics and hasn't been for 50 years or so. It is all scheduled by a "Maintenance control" department. Another point that doesn't seem to be a part of the reports is what was the specified time period for the inspections to be accomplished? Some requirements are made "before the next flight" but others are "within the next 50 hours of flying time",or "at time of next 1,000 hour inspection". You can correct these guys all you want but they won't change their minds. To them only unions are at fault and never company bosses. They were trained to think like that by their fathers and facts don't have any impact on their beliefs. The reason they hate unions so much is because they are envious of the good, high-paying, high-benefit, jobs union workers have. Not being unionized they have to settle for the crappy jobs and lower pay that non union guys get. So they hate the union guys and allege that they work much harder than them and get paid less for their efforts. No wonder they're ****ed at unions. They wish they had it so good. ******************************************* From Scientific American - 31 Jan 08 In 2003 nearly half of all Americans falsely assumed that the U.S. government had found solid evidence for a link between Iraq and al Qaeda. Nearly a quarter of Americans believed that investigators had all but confirmed the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, ****************************************** If you took a poll in this newsgroup you would find the same anti union, right wing guys wouldn't believe the above statement. They would say it came from a left wing source. They are part of the tiny percentage of lunatics that still believe there were WMDs in Iraq and al Qaeda was pals with Saddam Hussein. They're in their own separate reality. Facts have no bearing on them and they don't believe anything unless Rush or Sean tells them it's okay. The sad thing is they actually let these guys vote. Hawke |
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Hawke wrote:
That's a good one coming from a guy who goes through life like an Indy Car, with the tires on one side bigger than on the other. It makes you turn to the right every time you move. Indy cars turn left; or right but only once..... Jon |
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Bill wrote: "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in : snip No, the Union Card just makes it easier to spot them. Don't leave home without it! I just look for the union label........ you know, just like the song Al Gore's mother sang to him....years before it was written..... No problem, she downloaded it from the internet he invented. -- aioe.org is home to cowards and terrorists Add this line to your news proxy nfilter.dat file * drop Path:*aioe.org!not-for-mail to drop all aioe.org traffic. http://improve-usenet.org/index.html |
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Hawkie wrote: So when the airline makes a corporate decision to risk lives and not have their employees do the maintenance required by law that is the union workers fault. If you idiots believe that then I have done my job of showing how biased and ignorant you folks are. No matter what happens you always find everything is the union's fault and always hold the company harmless. Just like good brain dead republicans zombies. Your motto is the boss is always right. Unless you're Terrell and then they are making mistakes. What's wrong with this picture? The only thing you've shown us is your continuing ignorance and arrogance, big bird. You don't know enough of the real world to tell anything to anyone. If someone breaks the law because their boss tells them to, they are both guilty, just as you are of not seeing the real issues. Lazy, inept, or dishonest workers lie and sign off for work they didn't do, or didn't do properly and people die. They deserve to be executed on live TV, no matter what their reason was. -- aioe.org is home to cowards and terrorists Add this line to your news proxy nfilter.dat file * drop Path:*aioe.org!not-for-mail to drop all aioe.org traffic. http://improve-usenet.org/index.html |
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... Hawkie wrote: So when the airline makes a corporate decision to risk lives and not have their employees do the maintenance required by law that is the union workers fault. If you idiots believe that then I have done my job of showing how biased and ignorant you folks are. No matter what happens you always find everything is the union's fault and always hold the company harmless. Just like good brain dead republicans zombies. Your motto is the boss is always right. Unless you're Terrell and then they are making mistakes. What's wrong with this picture? The only thing you've shown us is your continuing ignorance and arrogance, big bird. You don't know enough of the real world to tell anything to anyone. If someone breaks the law because their boss tells them to, they are both guilty, just as you are of not seeing the real issues. Lazy, inept, or dishonest workers lie and sign off for work they didn't do, or didn't do properly and people die. They deserve to be executed on live TV, no matter what their reason was. You obviously have never actually known any union members. I would love to hear you bad mouth a few teamsters or iron workers and see how you would fare. I don't think they would agree with your biased and ill informed views any more than I do. But they would kick your ass for the ignorant crap you spew, limp or not. Hawke |
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Dumber than a dumpseter full of broken hammers wrote: "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... The only thing you've shown us is your continuing ignorance and arrogance, big bird. You don't know enough of the real world to tell anything to anyone. If someone breaks the law because their boss tells them to, they are both guilty, just as you are of not seeing the real issues. Lazy, inept, or dishonest workers lie and sign off for work they didn't do, or didn't do properly and people die. They deserve to be executed on live TV, no matter what their reason was. You obviously have never actually known any union members. Dumb ass. I've told you, several times now, that My dad was in a union for several decades and hated every second of it. About half of my aunts and uncles worked in closed shops in ohio, and I knew hundreds of steelworkers at the main Armco plant. No one in my family liked the union, and the only steel workers wo did, were the screw ups and screw offs. I would love to hear you bad mouth a few teamsters or iron workers and see how you would fare. You mean like the dumb ass who stepped out in front of me with a picket sign, on a busy highway so he could be on the TV news? I missed him by a couple inches. There was a tractor trailer behind me, and my life s work far more than a greedy ******* trying to stop traffic for a bigger paycheck. The footage didn't air, because I was leaning out the door screaming at the dumb ass to get off the highway before someone killed him. I don't think they would agree with your biased and ill informed views any more than I do. Biased? Birdbrain, you are the most biased idiot I've ever seen. But they would kick your ass for the ignorant crap you spew, limp or not. Bull****. Most of them are full of bluster and oral diarrhea, just like you. Sure they would. Then explain why am I still alive, after a union threatened to kill me? You really are a pathetic idiot. BTW, the union at Armco finally screwed themselves out of their jobs. They made one too many rounds of outrageous demands, and it backfired. -- aioe.org is home to cowards and terrorists Add this line to your news proxy nfilter.dat file * drop Path:*aioe.org!not-for-mail to drop all aioe.org traffic. http://improve-usenet.org/index.html |
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On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 22:10:54 -0800, "Hawke"
wrote: "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... Hawkie wrote: So when the airline makes a corporate decision to risk lives and not have their employees do the maintenance required by law that is the union workers fault. If you idiots believe that then I have done my job of showing how biased and ignorant you folks are. No matter what happens you always find everything is the union's fault and always hold the company harmless. Just like good brain dead republicans zombies. Your motto is the boss is always right. Unless you're Terrell and then they are making mistakes. What's wrong with this picture? The only thing you've shown us is your continuing ignorance and arrogance, big bird. You don't know enough of the real world to tell anything to anyone. If someone breaks the law because their boss tells them to, they are both guilty, just as you are of not seeing the real issues. Lazy, inept, or dishonest workers lie and sign off for work they didn't do, or didn't do properly and people die. They deserve to be executed on live TV, no matter what their reason was. You obviously have never actually known any union members. I would love to hear you bad mouth a few teamsters or iron workers and see how you would fare. I don't think they would agree with your biased and ill informed views any more than I do. But they would kick your ass for the ignorant crap you spew, limp or not. Hawke I was in Maine, back in the early 60's, when the Teamsters arrived to modernize the archaic trucking business there - mostly owner-drivers. The Union told the Truckers about all the benefits they were going to get. the Truckers wanted to know where the money was going to come from and the Union said, "we'll raise trucking rates". The Truckers were savvy enough to understand that raising rates would (possible) cause some people to go out of business and (maybe) actually reduce the amount of freight available to be hauled. Told the Union they guess they weren't interested. Union (apparently) brought some hard men in and 5th wheel locks started coming undone while people were having lunch. Truckers started carrying deer rifles in the cabs. Union went back to New York. Independent Truckers - 1 Union - 0 (details furnished by a Maine State Police Lieutenant with whom I was friendly at the time) Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
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Union Pride
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
... Hawkie wrote: So when the airline makes a corporate decision to risk lives and not have their employees do the maintenance required by law that is the union workers fault. If you idiots believe that then I have done my job of showing how biased and ignorant you folks are. No matter what happens you always find everything is the union's fault and always hold the company harmless. Just like good brain dead republicans zombies. Your motto is the boss is always right. Unless you're Terrell and then they are making mistakes. What's wrong with this picture? The only thing you've shown us is your continuing ignorance and arrogance, big bird. You don't know enough of the real world to tell anything to anyone. If someone breaks the law because their boss tells them to, they are both guilty, just as you are of not seeing the real issues. Lazy, inept, or dishonest workers lie and sign off for work they didn't do, or didn't do properly and people die. They deserve to be executed on live TV, no matter what their reason was. You obviously have never actually known any union members. I would love to hear you bad mouth a few teamsters or iron workers and see how you would fare. I don't think they would agree with your biased and ill informed views any more than I do. But they would kick your ass for the ignorant crap you spew, limp or not. Hawke I was in Maine, back in the early 60's, when the Teamsters arrived to modernize the archaic trucking business there - mostly owner-drivers. The Union told the Truckers about all the benefits they were going to get. the Truckers wanted to know where the money was going to come from and the Union said, "we'll raise trucking rates". The Truckers were savvy enough to understand that raising rates would (possible) cause some people to go out of business and (maybe) actually reduce the amount of freight available to be hauled. Told the Union they guess they weren't interested. Union (apparently) brought some hard men in and 5th wheel locks started coming undone while people were having lunch. Truckers started carrying deer rifles in the cabs. Union went back to New York. Independent Truckers - 1 Union - 0 (details furnished by a Maine State Police Lieutenant with whom I was friendly at the time) Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) You don't want to mess with Teamsters. They earned a reputation for fixing things with violence. They used to be run by Jimmy Hoffa, now his son. They have been mob connected for a very long time. While I am pro union in general that doesn't mean I don't know how bad they can be and have been in the past. The Teamsters were one of if not the most crooked union in the country. It's too bad that we had to have unions at all. But without them I shudder to think what life would be like for working people. Whether it's the Teamsters or the corporations I don't know which is worse. Both are bad but you wouldn't have one if the corporations were not so greedy. On Book TV today an author was talking about the four founders of the Southern Pacific Railroad; Stanford, Hopkins, Huntington, and I forgot the last one. They were called the Big Four. Boy were they crooked. As usual they made a ton of money from government contracts to lay tracks to connect the country. Without such greedy people at the helm unions wouldn't have come about. The greed is catching too because as soon as the unions got power they got greedy too. That's Americans for you. Hawke |
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