In article , clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:11:11 -0500, Ned Simmons
wrote:

On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:32:38 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:


Kinch, you still haven't figured out that "petroleum distillates" encompasses

a very large variety of compounds, only a very few of which can legitimately
be called "kerosene". WD-40 is not in that category.



From the MSDS for WD-40 @
http://www.wd40.com/Download/?/Brand...40_bulk.us.pdf
*****************************************
Composition/Information on Ingredients
Ingredient CAS# Weight Percent
Aliphatic Hydrocarbon 64742-47-8 45-50
64742-48-9
64742-88-7

Petroleum Base Oil 64742-65-0 30-35


LVP Aliphatic Hydrocarbon 64742-47-8 12-18


Non-Hazardous Ingredients Mixture 10
*****************************************

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/ipcsneng/neng1379.html
says CAS 64742-47-8 is "Low odor paraffinic solvent, Dearomatized
kerosine, Deodorized kerosene."

http://store.galladechem.com/
calls CAS 64742-48-9 "kerosene."


Correct. About 60% kerosene in one form or other.

You might want to check your math on that... Only two of the three compounds
that, collectively, make up 45-50% of the product are actually kerosene;
therefore, it's certainly less than half kerosene.

about 15% oil.

Ummm... "Petroleum Base Oil 30-35%" is a bit more than 15%.

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On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:12:15 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:

In article , Ned Simmons wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:32:38 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:


Kinch, you still haven't figured out that "petroleum distillates" encompasses
a very large variety of compounds, only a very few of which can legitimately
be called "kerosene". WD-40 is not in that category.



From the MSDS for WD-40 @
http://www.wd40.com/Download/?/Brand...40_bulk.us.pdf
*****************************************
Composition/Information on Ingredients
Ingredient CAS# Weight Percent
Aliphatic Hydrocarbon 64742-47-8 45-50
64742-48-9
64742-88-7

Petroleum Base Oil 64742-65-0 30-35


LVP Aliphatic Hydrocarbon 64742-47-8 12-18


Non-Hazardous Ingredients Mixture 10
*****************************************

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/ipcsneng/neng1379.html
says CAS 64742-47-8 is "Low odor paraffinic solvent, Dearomatized
kerosine, Deodorized kerosene."

http://store.galladechem.com/
calls CAS 64742-48-9 "kerosene."

In other words, it's mostly *not* kerosene.

The kerosene content is somewhere between 12% and 68%. If you've got
something more definitive, please share.

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"Pete C." wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

"Pete C." wrote:

No. Up front by the heaters

In Florida?

In Texas


Whoosh!!!


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"Pete C." writes:

Joe Pfeiffer wrote:

"Pete C." writes:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

David Harmon wrote:

On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:46:48 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking,
(Doug Miller) wrote,
Oh, geez, there you go again. Despite your delusions, WD-40 is not kerosene,
and neither is anything they sell in the paint aisle at big box stores.

Then what is in those gallon cans marked "Kerosene" at HD?

The same as the cans marked Gasoline: Air.

You're both wrong, they are 5 gal round metal cans and they are indeed
full of Kerosene intended for use in portable heaters.

In the paint aisle?

No. Up front by the heaters

Exactly -- read the thread. One of the posters makes a regular claim
that a huge variety of petroleum products (including paint thinner)
are just kerosene; the response was that no, nothing in the paint
aisle (i.e. sold as something other that kerosene) is just kerosene
under another name or with perfume. Saying they sell kerosene as
kerosene isn't a counter-example.

(Doug Miller) writes:

In article , clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:11:11 -0500, Ned Simmons
wrote:

On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:32:38 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:


Kinch, you still haven't figured out that "petroleum distillates" encompasses

a very large variety of compounds, only a very few of which can legitimately
be called "kerosene". WD-40 is not in that category.



From the MSDS for WD-40 @
http://www.wd40.com/Download/?/Brand...40_bulk.us.pdf
*****************************************
Composition/Information on Ingredients
Ingredient CAS# Weight Percent
Aliphatic Hydrocarbon 64742-47-8 45-50
64742-48-9
64742-88-7

Petroleum Base Oil 64742-65-0 30-35


LVP Aliphatic Hydrocarbon 64742-47-8 12-18


Non-Hazardous Ingredients Mixture 10
*****************************************

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/ipcsneng/neng1379.html
says CAS 64742-47-8 is "Low odor paraffinic solvent, Dearomatized
kerosine, Deodorized kerosene."

http://store.galladechem.com/
calls CAS 64742-48-9 "kerosene."


Correct. About 60% kerosene in one form or other.

You might want to check your math on that... Only two of the three compounds
that, collectively, make up 45-50% of the product are actually kerosene;
therefore, it's certainly less than half kerosene.

about 15% oil.

Ummm... "Petroleum Base Oil 30-35%" is a bit more than 15%.

It isn't necessary to argue percentages to conclude that it's not
"kerosene with perfume".

In article , Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
(Doug Miller) writes:

In article , clare at snyder dot
ontario dot canada wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:11:11 -0500, Ned Simmons
wrote:

On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:32:38 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:


Kinch, you still haven't figured out that "petroleum distillates"
encompasses

a very large variety of compounds, only a very few of which can
legitimately
be called "kerosene". WD-40 is not in that category.



From the MSDS for WD-40 @
http://www.wd40.com/Download/?/Brand...40_bulk.us.pdf
*****************************************
Composition/Information on Ingredients
Ingredient CAS# Weight Percent
Aliphatic Hydrocarbon 64742-47-8 45-50
64742-48-9
64742-88-7

Petroleum Base Oil 64742-65-0 30-35


LVP Aliphatic Hydrocarbon 64742-47-8 12-18


Non-Hazardous Ingredients Mixture 10
*****************************************

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/ipcsneng/neng1379.html
says CAS 64742-47-8 is "Low odor paraffinic solvent, Dearomatized
kerosine, Deodorized kerosene."

http://store.galladechem.com/
calls CAS 64742-48-9 "kerosene."


Correct. About 60% kerosene in one form or other.

You might want to check your math on that... Only two of the three compounds
that, collectively, make up 45-50% of the product are actually kerosene;
therefore, it's certainly less than half kerosene.

about 15% oil.

Ummm... "Petroleum Base Oil 30-35%" is a bit more than 15%.

It isn't necessary to argue percentages to conclude that it's not
"kerosene with perfume".

Quite so. Richard Kinch claims that WD-40 "is" kerosene. Even if it were
*mostly* kerosene, that wouldn't make it the *same* as kerosene; milk, coffee,
tea, wine, and beer are mostly water -- and in every case, the water
content is higher than the kerosene content of WD-40 -- but I don't think that
even Kinch would argue that they are the same as water.

spaco wrote:
I don't know how often you might want a really clean part, but the auto
parts stores sell a gallon can of carb cleaner that REALLY works. the
motor heads call it "boiling out the carb" to use it.
You don't heat the stuff, though.
The gallon can, like a paint can, has a basket inside that you toss the
parts into. Read the label.
Looks like brand new when done.
Costs $30. Lasts for many years with the lid on tight.

What he said, good stuff but be sure to turn
your head away when you open the can. The
vapors will sting your eyes good.

Doug Miller writes:

Richard Kinch claims that WD-40 "is" kerosene.

Who cares what I claim? Much less your obsessive distortions.

Ah, the romance of petroleum nomenclature. There will be flames.

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

"Pete C." wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

"Pete C." wrote:

No. Up front by the heaters

In Florida?

In Texas

Whoosh!!!

Florida freezes too...

On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:12:15 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:

In article , Ned Simmons wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:32:38 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:


Kinch, you still haven't figured out that "petroleum distillates" encompasses
a very large variety of compounds, only a very few of which can legitimately
be called "kerosene". WD-40 is not in that category.



From the MSDS for WD-40 @
http://www.wd40.com/Download/?/Brand...40_bulk.us.pdf
*****************************************
Composition/Information on Ingredients
Ingredient CAS# Weight Percent
Aliphatic Hydrocarbon 64742-47-8 45-50
64742-48-9
64742-88-7

Petroleum Base Oil 64742-65-0 30-35


LVP Aliphatic Hydrocarbon 64742-47-8 12-18


Non-Hazardous Ingredients Mixture 10
*****************************************

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/ipcsneng/neng1379.html
says CAS 64742-47-8 is "Low odor paraffinic solvent, Dearomatized
kerosine, Deodorized kerosene."

http://store.galladechem.com/
calls CAS 64742-48-9 "kerosene."

In other words, it's mostly *not* kerosene.

No, add the 45-50% 64742-47-8 and the 12-18% 64742-47-8 and it is
mostly Kerosene. Minimum 57%. Maximum 68%

By my math, even the low end is MOSTLY Kerosene.

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On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 02:24:55 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:

In article , clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:11:11 -0500, Ned Simmons
wrote:

On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:32:38 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:


Kinch, you still haven't figured out that "petroleum distillates" encompasses

a very large variety of compounds, only a very few of which can legitimately
be called "kerosene". WD-40 is not in that category.



From the MSDS for WD-40 @
http://www.wd40.com/Download/?/Brand...40_bulk.us.pdf
*****************************************
Composition/Information on Ingredients
Ingredient CAS# Weight Percent
Aliphatic Hydrocarbon 64742-47-8 45-50
64742-48-9
64742-88-7

Petroleum Base Oil 64742-65-0 30-35


LVP Aliphatic Hydrocarbon 64742-47-8 12-18


Non-Hazardous Ingredients Mixture 10
*****************************************

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/ipcsneng/neng1379.html
says CAS 64742-47-8 is "Low odor paraffinic solvent, Dearomatized
kerosine, Deodorized kerosene."

http://store.galladechem.com/
calls CAS 64742-48-9 "kerosene."


Correct. About 60% kerosene in one form or other.

You might want to check your math on that... Only two of the three compounds
that, collectively, make up 45-50% of the product are actually kerosene;
therefore, it's certainly less than half kerosene.

about 15% oil.

Ummm... "Petroleum Base Oil 30-35%" is a bit more than 15%.

That depends on the WD40 - bulk or aerosol are different formulations
- Aero has less oil.


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In article , Richard J Kinch wrote:
Doug Miller writes:

Richard Kinch claims that WD-40 "is" kerosene.

Who cares what I claim?

Anyone who cares about accuracy, for starters.

Much less your obsessive distortions.

What distortions would those be?

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It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

"Pete C." wrote:

Florida freezes too...


That doesn't mean that the stores here carry exactly the sane thing
they do in Texas. Especially after a couple people have walked into big
box stores and used petroleum based liquids to set the stores on fire,
while they are open.


I disconnected the gas furnace here in 1999 and have only needed
small electric heaters a few days a year, since then. I am considering
a wood stove for the garage, since there is a several lifetime supply of
free firewood near here. That is, if I get back to the point that I can
work more than a few minutes at at time without my cane. There are only
so many modifications you can make to your machines to accommodate
disabilities.


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In article , clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:12:15 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:

In article , Ned Simmons
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:32:38 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:


Kinch, you still haven't figured out that "petroleum distillates"
encompasses
a very large variety of compounds, only a very few of which can legitimately

be called "kerosene". WD-40 is not in that category.



From the MSDS for WD-40 @
http://www.wd40.com/Download/?/Brand...40_bulk.us.pdf
*****************************************
Composition/Information on Ingredients
Ingredient CAS# Weight Percent
Aliphatic Hydrocarbon 64742-47-8 45-50
64742-48-9
64742-88-7

Petroleum Base Oil 64742-65-0 30-35


LVP Aliphatic Hydrocarbon 64742-47-8 12-18


Non-Hazardous Ingredients Mixture 10
*****************************************

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/ipcsneng/neng1379.html
says CAS 64742-47-8 is "Low odor paraffinic solvent, Dearomatized
kerosine, Deodorized kerosene."

http://store.galladechem.com/
calls CAS 64742-48-9 "kerosene."

In other words, it's mostly *not* kerosene.

No, add the 45-50% 64742-47-8 and the 12-18% 64742-47-8

Probably an error in the MSDS, as was already pointed out -- same compound
listed under two different classes?

and it is
mostly Kerosene. Minimum 57%. Maximum 68%

By my math, even the low end is MOSTLY Kerosene.

In any event, even "mostly kerosene" is different from "is kerosene".

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It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada writes:

No, add the 45-50% 64742-47-8 and the 12-18% 64742-47-8 and it is
mostly Kerosene. Minimum 57%. Maximum 68%

By my math, even the low end is MOSTLY Kerosene.

At least we've disposed of perfumed kerosene, or "just" kerosene.

On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:56:49 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote:

I've used oven cleaner with great success. On many carb and engine parts.
Parts in a strainer basket, and then in the laundry tray in the cellar.
Sounds strange, but has worked well for me.

So have I.

I've used it for everything from stripping paint on a bicycle
frame to repaint it, to degreasing Detroit Diesel slobbering beasts
before tear-down for reconditioning. Washes off with water.

It contains Lye, so eye protection in the form of goggles or face shield
is a must. I recommend goggles as a first choice. I suppose it could be
neutralized with vinegar first, sprayed on using a garden sprayer. I found
that the dollar store brand was as good as best known brand name for this
use.

I had access to a steam cleaner for the Detroit.

Stormin Mormon wrote:

You tip your head up, and I'll pour some of that air into your nose. OK?


You're welcome to come to Flordia and see for youself, moron.


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Stormin Mormon wrote:

I've used oven cleaner with great success. On many carb and engine parts.
Parts in a strainer basket, and then in the laundry tray in the cellar.
Sounds strange, but has worked well for me.


You want to tilt your head back so I can clean those cobwebs out with
some oven cleaner?


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On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:40:09 -0800, "SteveB"
wrote:



Simple Green.

And Id give you 2 washers with pumps and heaters for free if you were
close by.

I am now living farther away from you. Was going to go to visit some
friends in San Diego the first of March, but a change of plans. Now, with
gas the way it is, don't know when we'll make that trip again, as now it is
350 miles farther round trip. Will let you know if I am going that way, and
maybe we can hook up.

Still need bar grating. I only have the short bed truck, and don't want to
pull a trailer all that way to visit friends. Might be able to find some
short pieces that will fit in my 6.5' bed. They can be up to nine feet
without a flag.

Let me know, and Ill see about snagging you some grating.

Gunner

Stormin Mormon wrote:

I'll bring a couple jugs of "air" from NYS, and pour in your nose.


Email me for the address, I don't want you to get lost. There are
gators and wild animals around here, and I don't want any of them to die
from biting you.

BTW, you better be wearing your asbestos panties.


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Stormin Mormon wrote:

After you show me the post where I delcare that oven spray cans are only
full of air.


That's your problem. You should remove your link to the mormon
church. You sure don't act like you have any good will to others, let
alone act like a Christian.

OTOH, advertising like that will bring on the drunken parties and
have you all picketing at military funerals like the Westboro Baptist
Church. and demanding the US military be used to round up anyone you
disagree with.

You will have to add more Sunday School rooms for the Bubbas and the
preachers favorite hookers, though.



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