It is happening again...why does this not surprise me.

From a consumer standpoint, how does one protect yourself from tainted
goods?

This applies to Chinese tools also.

TMT


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- High levels of lead were found in various
items branded with Disney's (DIS, Fortune 500) popular Hannah Montana
character, the Center for Environmental Health said Tuesday.

Vinyl backpacks, a vinyl purse and other Hannah Montana items
purchased from Wal-Mart (WMT, Fortune 500), Target (TGT, Fortune 500)
and Toys "R" Us stores contained the toxic metal, some of them in
excess of the federal standard for lead paint, the CEH said.

According to the organization, it purchased 28 Hannah Montana products
in stores and online. Five of them tested between three and fourteen
times the federal standard, which is between 1,800 and 8,300 parts per
million.

"Lead can impact girls' learning and development throughout their
youth and later can reduce their ability to have healthy children.
It's the worst of both worlds," said CEH director Michael Green in a
statement.

The CEH called on parents to avoid exposing their children to vinyl
items, calling it a "poison plastic."

Representatives from Wal-Mart, Target and Toys "R" Us stores were not
immediately available for comment.

Too_Many_Tools wrote:

It is happening again...why does this not surprise me.


Aren't you WAY to old to be playing with dolls?


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On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:02:55 -0600, Louis Ohland
wrote:

How many weeks ago did this happen?

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
It is happening again...why does this not surprise me.

From a consumer standpoint, how does one protect yourself from tainted
goods?

This applies to Chinese tools also.

TMT


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- High levels of lead were found in various
items branded with Disney's (DIS, Fortune 500) popular Hannah Montana
character, the Center for Environmental Health said Tuesday.

Vinyl backpacks, a vinyl purse and other Hannah Montana items
purchased from Wal-Mart (WMT, Fortune 500), Target (TGT, Fortune 500)
and Toys "R" Us stores contained the toxic metal, some of them in
excess of the federal standard for lead paint, the CEH said.

According to the organization, it purchased 28 Hannah Montana products
in stores and online. Five of them tested between three and fourteen
times the federal standard, which is between 1,800 and 8,300 parts per
million.

"Lead can impact girls' learning and development throughout their
youth and later can reduce their ability to have healthy children.
It's the worst of both worlds," said CEH director Michael Green in a
statement.

The CEH called on parents to avoid exposing their children to vinyl
items, calling it a "poison plastic."

Representatives from Wal-Mart, Target and Toys "R" Us stores were not
immediately available for comment.



The next big question is why are those girls eating the artwork and
paint off those products?

Gunner



"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

How many weeks ago did this happen?

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
It is happening again...why does this not surprise me.

From a consumer standpoint, how does one protect yourself from tainted
goods?

This applies to Chinese tools also.

TMT


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- High levels of lead were found in various
items branded with Disney's (DIS, Fortune 500) popular Hannah Montana
character, the Center for Environmental Health said Tuesday.

Vinyl backpacks, a vinyl purse and other Hannah Montana items
purchased from Wal-Mart (WMT, Fortune 500), Target (TGT, Fortune 500)
and Toys "R" Us stores contained the toxic metal, some of them in
excess of the federal standard for lead paint, the CEH said.

According to the organization, it purchased 28 Hannah Montana products
in stores and online. Five of them tested between three and fourteen
times the federal standard, which is between 1,800 and 8,300 parts per
million.

"Lead can impact girls' learning and development throughout their
youth and later can reduce their ability to have healthy children.
It's the worst of both worlds," said CEH director Michael Green in a
statement.

The CEH called on parents to avoid exposing their children to vinyl
items, calling it a "poison plastic."

Representatives from Wal-Mart, Target and Toys "R" Us stores were not
immediately available for comment.

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:23:06 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:
snip
The next big question is why are those girls eating the artwork and
paint off those products?

Gunner
========
The main problem does not appear to be the teen age girls, but
the much younger children that may be in the households. More
than likely there is minimal danger to the teen age girls,
assuming they were not licking their purses and back packs, or
transporting acidic/acetic food, such as pickles, without any
wrapping or covering.

Sugar of lead is an old term for lead acetate. "Lead acetate has
a sweet taste, which has led to its use as a sugar substitute
throughout history. The ancient Romans, who had few sweeteners
besides honey, would boil must (grape juice) in lead pots to
produce a reduced sugar syrup called defrutum, concentrated again
into sapa. This syrup was used to sweeten wine, and to sweeten
and preserve fruit. It is possible that lead acetate or other
lead compounds leaching into the syrup might have caused lead
poisoning in anyone consuming it."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_acetate

The sweet taste of many lead compounds is what makes paint chips,
so dangerous around small children as they tend to chew it.
Indeed, with many young children, the first thing they do with
anything new is to put it in their mouth.

FWIW -- Lead acetate is still used in men's hair coloring
products like Grecian Formula.


Unka' George [George McDuffee]
-------------------------------------------
He that will not apply new remedies,
must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

On Mar 18, 3:23*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:02:55 -0600, Louis Ohland
wrote:





How many weeks ago did this happen?

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
It is happening again...why does this not surprise me.

From a consumer standpoint, how does one protect yourself from tainted
goods?

This applies to Chinese tools also.

TMT

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- High levels of lead were found in various
items branded with Disney's (DIS, Fortune 500) popular Hannah Montana
character, the Center for Environmental Health said Tuesday.

Vinyl backpacks, a vinyl purse and other Hannah Montana items
purchased from Wal-Mart (WMT, Fortune 500), Target (TGT, Fortune 500)
and Toys "R" Us stores contained the toxic metal, some of them in
excess of the federal standard for lead paint, the CEH said.

According to the organization, it purchased 28 Hannah Montana products
in stores and online. Five of them tested between three and fourteen
times the federal standard, which is between 1,800 and 8,300 parts per
million.

"Lead can impact girls' learning and development throughout their
youth and later can reduce their ability to have healthy children.
It's the worst of both worlds," said CEH director Michael Green in a
statement.

The CEH called on parents to avoid exposing their children to vinyl
items, calling it a "poison plastic."

Representatives from Wal-Mart, Target and Toys "R" Us stores were not
immediately available for comment.

The next big question is why are those girls eating the artwork and
paint off those products?

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont *kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." *Gunner- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Who says it is girls?

I thought it was old Republican men...they are the ones wearing the
Hannah wigs and heels.

TMT

On Mar 18, 4:52*pm, F. George McDuffee [email protected]
associates.us wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:23:06 -0700, Gunner wrote:

snipThe next big question is why are those girls eating the artwork and
paint off those products?

Gunner

========
The main problem does not appear to be the teen age girls, but
the much younger children that may be in the households. *More
than likely there is minimal danger to the teen age girls,
assuming they were not licking their purses and back packs, or
transporting acidic/acetic food, such as pickles, without any
wrapping or covering.

Sugar of lead is an old term for lead acetate. *"Lead acetate has
a sweet taste, which has led to its use as a sugar substitute
throughout history. The ancient Romans, who had few sweeteners
besides honey, would boil must (grape juice) in lead pots to
produce a reduced sugar syrup called defrutum, concentrated again
into sapa. This syrup was used to sweeten wine, and to sweeten
and preserve fruit. It is possible that lead acetate or other
lead compounds leaching into the syrup might have caused lead
poisoning in anyone consuming it."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_acetate

The sweet taste of many lead compounds is what makes paint chips,
so dangerous around small children as they tend to chew it.
Indeed, with many young children, the first thing they do with
anything new is to put it in their mouth.

FWIW -- Lead acetate is still used in men's hair coloring
products like Grecian Formula.

Unka' George [George McDuffee]
-------------------------------------------
He that will not apply new remedies,
must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).


FWIW -- Lead acetate is still used in men's hair coloring
products like Grecian Formula.


Is that why old men vote Republican...diminished mental performance
because of lead poisoning?

TMT

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:02:55 -0600, Louis Ohland wrote:
How many weeks ago did this happen?

You can search the last 6 months or so of product recalls at a site I
run, http://www.productrecallwatch.com/

Yup, there's google ads. And I've made about 5 bucks on them since I
started the site, so I think it's pretty fair to say I'm not in it for
the money.

Dave

Too_Many_Tools wrote:

Who says it is girls?

I thought it was old Republican men...they are the ones wearing the
Hannah wigs and heels.


We don't want to hear about your wardrobe.


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On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:52:25 -0600, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:23:06 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:
snip
The next big question is why are those girls eating the artwork and
paint off those products?

Gunner
========
The main problem does not appear to be the teen age girls, but
the much younger children that may be in the households. More
than likely there is minimal danger to the teen age girls,
assuming they were not licking their purses and back packs, or
transporting acidic/acetic food, such as pickles, without any
wrapping or covering.

Sugar of lead is an old term for lead acetate. "Lead acetate has
a sweet taste, which has led to its use as a sugar substitute
throughout history. The ancient Romans, who had few sweeteners
besides honey, would boil must (grape juice) in lead pots to
produce a reduced sugar syrup called defrutum, concentrated again
into sapa. This syrup was used to sweeten wine, and to sweeten
and preserve fruit. It is possible that lead acetate or other
lead compounds leaching into the syrup might have caused lead
poisoning in anyone consuming it."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_acetate

The sweet taste of many lead compounds is what makes paint chips,
so dangerous around small children as they tend to chew it.
Indeed, with many young children, the first thing they do with
anything new is to put it in their mouth.

FWIW -- Lead acetate is still used in men's hair coloring
products like Grecian Formula.


Unka' George [George McDuffee]
-------------------------------------------
He that will not apply new remedies,
must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).


And the health hazards/probability of a young child licking a bookbag
soaked with apple cider is what again?

Some times...tempests do form in teapots.

Gunner



"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
It is happening again...why does this not surprise me.

From a consumer standpoint, how does one protect yourself from tainted
goods?

This applies to Chinese tools also.

TMT


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- High levels of lead were found in various
items branded with Disney's (DIS, Fortune 500) popular Hannah Montana
character, the Center for Environmental Health said Tuesday.
Did you hear that there is exactly ONE inspector for ALL toys
for the ENTIRE US at the CSPC (Consumer Products Safety
Commission)? Just ONE overburdened guy who has to check out
EVERY kind of toy sold in the whole US? Totally INCREDIBLE!
No WONDER we can't catch this stuff before it is on the store
shelves.

Jon

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:34:17 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

And the health hazards/probability of a young child licking a bookbag
soaked with apple cider is what again?

Some times...tempests do form in teapots.
==========
This may be of interest.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Athletic shoe and apparel maker Reebok has
agreed to pay a $1 million fine for importing and distributing
charm bracelets that contained toxic levels of lead and
==resulted in the death of a 4-year-old boy.==

for complete article click on
http://www.usatoday.com/money/indust...c_N.htm?csp=34

Admittedly 1 in 300,000 is pretty good odds, unless it is your
kid that dies. Another factor is that lead exposure has
considerable adverse affects on intelligence, and it does not
take many of the remaining 299,999 bracelets to create a
"learning disability" [special ed] child and/or diminished metal
capacity adults [such as voting Democratic] to incur external [to
the company] costs that far outstrip the 1mm$ fine.

If Reebok had to have a bracelet for product promotion, it would
have been at most only a few additional dollars [if any] for a
tin, aluminum, or inert/safe plastic heart pendant, although this
would still seem to fall under the small parts choking hazard
prohibition.


Unka' George [George McDuffee]
-------------------------------------------
He that will not apply new remedies,
must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:53:08 -0600, with neither quill nor qualm, F.
George McDuffee quickly quoth:

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:34:17 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

And the health hazards/probability of a young child licking a bookbag
soaked with apple cider is what again?

Some times...tempests do form in teapots.
==========
This may be of interest.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Athletic shoe and apparel maker Reebok has
agreed to pay a $1 million fine for importing and distributing
charm bracelets that contained toxic levels of lead and
==resulted in the death of a 4-year-old boy.==

While I'm sorry for the dumb kid, all I can think of is "Crap, there
goes the price of my sneakers again." Reebok Classic nylong
crosstrainers are the mainstay of my footwear today.


for complete article click on
http://www.usatoday.com/money/indust...c_N.htm?csp=34

Admittedly 1 in 300,000 is pretty good odds, unless it is your
kid that dies. Another factor is that lead exposure has
considerable adverse affects on intelligence, and it does not
take many of the remaining 299,999 bracelets to create a
"learning disability" [special ed] child and/or diminished metal
capacity adults [such as voting Democratic] to incur external [to
the company] costs that far outstrip the 1mm$ fine.

With all the hubbub about lead these days, do you see any of the
supposed victims? Hell, we all grew up munching lead weights on
fishing lines from age, what, 3? Many of us cast our own lead
figurines and sinkers, bullets, etc. We all survived a nearly
continuous contact with lead for years, but how many of us are
braindead? (Ah, ah, ah, don't go there!) I'm not buying the scare.


If Reebok had to have a bracelet for product promotion, it would
have been at most only a few additional dollars [if any] for a
tin, aluminum, or inert/safe plastic heart pendant, although this
would still seem to fall under the small parts choking hazard
prohibition.

Oh, come on, George. They bought these things as cheap trifles and had
no expectation that they would be harmful. Adding several dollars to
each of a million pairs of shoes is a very expensive proposition.
Their $25,000 (WAG) marketing gimmick would have cost and extra
several million dollars. That's not realistic.

Why is it that our country finds the need to mandate that nothing can
be sold which could possibly harm the stupidest of us -while- they're
being ignored by their parents?

Gimme a freakin' break... Spencer had it right.

--
Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives.
-- A. Sachs

On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:30:18 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

While I'm sorry for the dumb kid, all I can think of is "Crap, there
goes the price of my sneakers again." Reebok Classic nylong
crosstrainers are the mainstay of my footwear today.

Have you looked for/bought any lately?

My local store where I had been getting them hasn't had them
for around a year now. I still have one decent pair, haven't
tried looking elsewhere yet. Decided to try a pair of Dr.
Scholl's Sport variety for now. Most of the stores like
Target and Kmart seem to just carry their cheapo house
brands now...

These look similar, but I didn't see the Classic Nylon
listed:

http://www.famousfootwear.com/produc...riant_id=65112

I couldn't find any links to the pair of Dr Scholl's I
bought. I'm waiting for a bit better weather before I start
using them. Still have too much gooey/wet/mud around may
area for new shoes ;-)

--
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Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
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On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:25:15 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, Leon
Fisk quickly quoth:

On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:30:18 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

While I'm sorry for the dumb kid, all I can think of is "Crap, there
goes the price of my sneakers again." Reebok Classic nylong
crosstrainers are the mainstay of my footwear today.

Have you looked for/bought any lately?

I haven't found any in stores since 2000 in Vista, CA., where I found
them for $18/pr. The 2 pairs before last came from Zounds.com and
they were $25/pr. The last 2 pairs came from Zappos and they were $31
and $40 (one mesh style.) Now I'll be lucky to pay only $50 or $65
for a pair, all cuzza some lead-sucking punk.


I couldn't find any links to the pair of Dr Scholl's I
bought. I'm waiting for a bit better weather before I start
using them. Still have too much gooey/wet/mud around may
area for new shoes ;-)

I found some absolutely excellent boots for $20 a pop at Big 5 last
year and bought 2 pairs of them, too. It's hard to fit my feet and I
like extra spongy shoes with good arch support. They're Outdoor Gear
Trail Crest II, model 1055.

--
Try not to become a man of success but rather to become a man of value.
-- Albert Einstein

On Mar 20, 7:53 pm, F. George McDuffee [email protected]
associates.us wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:34:17 -0700, Gunner Asch

wrote:
And the health hazards/probability of a young child licking a bookbag
soaked with apple cider is what again?

Some times...tempests do form in teapots.

==========
This may be of interest.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Athletic shoe and apparel maker Reebok has
agreed to pay a $1 million fine for importing and distributing
charm bracelets that contained toxic levels of lead and
==resulted in the death of a 4-year-old boy.==

for complete article click onhttp://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2008-03-18-reebok-fin...

Admittedly 1 in 300,000 is pretty good odds, unless it is your
kid that dies. Another factor is that lead exposure has
considerable adverse affects on intelligence, and it does not
take many of the remaining 299,999 bracelets to create a
"learning disability" [special ed] child and/or diminished metal
capacity adults [such as voting Democratic] to incur external [to
the company] costs that far outstrip the 1mm$ fine.

If Reebok had to have a bracelet for product promotion, it would
have been at most only a few additional dollars [if any] for a
tin, aluminum, or inert/safe plastic heart pendant, although this
would still seem to fall under the small parts choking hazard
prohibition.

Unka' George [George McDuffee]
-------------------------------------------
He that will not apply new remedies,
must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

"..and it does not
take many of the remaining 299,999 bracelets to create a
"learning disability" [special ed] child and/or diminished metal
capacity adults [such as voting Democratic] to incur external [to
the company] costs that far outstrip the 1mm$ fine. "

"..diminished metal capacity adults [such as voting Democratic]?"

LOL....consider the declining condition of this Country under
Republican leadership and I think the facts speak for themselves as to
which Party the diminished adults have been voting for.

Considering those mentally diminished adults, has George Busb been
tested for lead poisoning?

TMT

On Mar 20, 8:30 pm, Larry Jaques
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:53:08 -0600, with neither quill nor qualm, F.
George McDuffee quickly quoth:

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:34:17 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

And the health hazards/probability of a young child licking a bookbag
soaked with apple cider is what again?

Some times...tempests do form in teapots.
==========
This may be of interest.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Athletic shoe and apparel maker Reebok has
agreed to pay a $1 million fine for importing and distributing
charm bracelets that contained toxic levels of lead and
==resulted in the death of a 4-year-old boy.==

While I'm sorry for the dumb kid, all I can think of is "Crap, there
goes the price of my sneakers again." Reebok Classic nylong
crosstrainers are the mainstay of my footwear today.

for complete article click on
http://www.usatoday.com/money/indust...-18-reebok-fin...

Admittedly 1 in 300,000 is pretty good odds, unless it is your
kid that dies. Another factor is that lead exposure has
considerable adverse affects on intelligence, and it does not
take many of the remaining 299,999 bracelets to create a
"learning disability" [special ed] child and/or diminished metal
capacity adults [such as voting Democratic] to incur external [to
the company] costs that far outstrip the 1mm$ fine.

With all the hubbub about lead these days, do you see any of the
supposed victims? Hell, we all grew up munching lead weights on
fishing lines from age, what, 3? Many of us cast our own lead
figurines and sinkers, bullets, etc. We all survived a nearly
continuous contact with lead for years, but how many of us are
braindead? (Ah, ah, ah, don't go there!) I'm not buying the scare.

If Reebok had to have a bracelet for product promotion, it would
have been at most only a few additional dollars [if any] for a
tin, aluminum, or inert/safe plastic heart pendant, although this
would still seem to fall under the small parts choking hazard
prohibition.

Oh, come on, George. They bought these things as cheap trifles and had
no expectation that they would be harmful. Adding several dollars to
each of a million pairs of shoes is a very expensive proposition.
Their $25,000 (WAG) marketing gimmick would have cost and extra
several million dollars. That's not realistic.

Why is it that our country finds the need to mandate that nothing can
be sold which could possibly harm the stupidest of us -while- they're
being ignored by their parents?

Gimme a freakin' break... Spencer had it right.

--
Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives.
-- A. Sachs

Would you be having the same opinion if the child that died was yours?

Or the child who was permanently mentally crippled was your son or
daughter/

It seems like you need a lesson in life taught.

TMT

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:42:00 -0600, Jon Elson
wrote:

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
It is happening again...why does this not surprise me.

From a consumer standpoint, how does one protect yourself from tainted
goods?

This applies to Chinese tools also.

TMT


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- High levels of lead were found in various
items branded with Disney's (DIS, Fortune 500) popular Hannah Montana
character, the Center for Environmental Health said Tuesday.
Did you hear that there is exactly ONE inspector for ALL toys
for the ENTIRE US at the CSPC (Consumer Products Safety
Commission)? Just ONE overburdened guy who has to check out
EVERY kind of toy sold in the whole US? Totally INCREDIBLE!
No WONDER we can't catch this stuff before it is on the store
shelves.

Jon

Most children have at least one parent that is both more capable and
more motivated than the government to supervise them, nurture them and
keep objects and substances of unknown provenance out of their
mouths.

Thus far it is still legal to take a daughter or granddaughter fishing
for brightly-colored feisty sunfish, lead sinkers and all. Good
parents don't let the kids chew the sinkers.

It'll be awhile before the gummint has enough inspectors to visit
every dock on each of MN's 10,000 lakes to put a stop to the
excitement of little girls catching sunnies off those docks.

When they do come, I hope they are able to instruct on how to lash an
approved pebble to an approved bobbber with good knots using
bio-degradable line, after the worm has been properly tested and
approved for nutritional value in case the kid decides to eat it.

On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:41:29 -0600, Don Foreman wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:42:00 -0600, Jon Elson
wrote:

Did you hear that there is exactly ONE inspector for ALL toys
for the ENTIRE US at the CSPC (Consumer Products Safety
Commission)? Just ONE overburdened guy who has to check out
EVERY kind of toy sold in the whole US? Totally INCREDIBLE!
No WONDER we can't catch this stuff before it is on the store
shelves.

Most children have at least one parent that is both more capable and
more motivated than the government to supervise them, nurture them and
keep objects and substances of unknown provenance out of their
mouths.

Really? How does that work with infant toys that are DESIGNED to be
mouth toys? You are familiar with the whole development process, right?

Thing is, we have laws about lead and lead paint in toys. The companies
who import them know this. The companies in China and other places know
this. The Chinese manufacturers choose to put lead paint onto products
because it's cheaper, and the importers don't bother to do anything like
test for it. Even if you feel that lead paint on kids toys is no big
deal for some reason, that doesn't chnage the fact that it's an illegal
import. Since we can't realistically do anything to the manufacturer in
communist china who is trying to poison our kids, (Or, if you prefer,
who is willingly violating import laws for the market they're selling
to), the obvious party to fix the problem is the importer. Mattel,
Disney, I'm looking at you here. Your name is on it, you're a USA'n
entity, you're liable for preventing the problem. And when they fail to
prevent the problem by inspecting their suppliers and the product, then
there should be a REAL fine for it. No trivial $50K bull****, make it a
million bucks a shot or something. Use that to fund the CPSC.

Thus far it is still legal to take a daughter or granddaughter fishing
for brightly-colored feisty sunfish, lead sinkers and all. Good
parents don't let the kids chew the sinkers.

We KNOW those are lead. When you by, oh, I don't know, let's say this:
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml08/08050.html - to put in
direct contact with food, because that's what it's made for, do you
really think the burdon of testing for lead should be on the end-user?
And no, that's not an isolated example. Again, search for "lead paint"
at http://www.productrecallwatch.com/ and see all the stuff illegally
being sold with an easy to prevent problem. And then note how much of
it is made in China.

You're blaming parents for this? Really?

It'll be awhile before the gummint has enough inspectors to visit
every dock on each of MN's 10,000 lakes to put a stop to the
excitement of little girls catching sunnies off those docks.

This isn't about lead where lead is expected to be, it's about products
which aren't supposed to have it, but do.

When they do come, I hope they are able to instruct on how to lash an
approved pebble to an approved bobbber with good knots using
bio-degradable line, after the worm has been properly tested and
approved for nutritional value in case the kid decides to eat it.

Tell me, Don, do you expect people to use lead sinkers as jewelry? Do
you expect them to be used as teething toys for toddlers, or to put them
on a birthday cake? You're talking about two entirely different things.
Lead where it's appropriate and expected has never been the problem or
the target. Responses such as yours show either ignorance or
intentional distortion of the issue, and serve to do nothing but
distract from the actual problem and solution.

On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:41:29 -0600, Don Foreman
wrote:



Most children have at least one parent that is both more capable and
more motivated than the government to supervise them, nurture them and
keep objects and substances of unknown provenance out of their
mouths.

Thus far it is still legal to take a daughter or granddaughter fishing
for brightly-colored feisty sunfish, lead sinkers and all. Good
parents don't let the kids chew the sinkers.

It'll be awhile before the gummint has enough inspectors to visit
every dock on each of MN's 10,000 lakes to put a stop to the
excitement of little girls catching sunnies off those docks.

When they do come, I hope they are able to instruct on how to lash an
approved pebble to an approved bobbber with good knots using
bio-degradable line, after the worm has been properly tested and
approved for nutritional value in case the kid decides to eat it.

BRAVO
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

On 22 Mar 2008 16:35:30 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:41:29 -0600, Don Foreman wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:42:00 -0600, Jon Elson
wrote:

Did you hear that there is exactly ONE inspector for ALL toys
for the ENTIRE US at the CSPC (Consumer Products Safety
Commission)? Just ONE overburdened guy who has to check out
EVERY kind of toy sold in the whole US? Totally INCREDIBLE!
No WONDER we can't catch this stuff before it is on the store
shelves.

Most children have at least one parent that is both more capable and
more motivated than the government to supervise them, nurture them and
keep objects and substances of unknown provenance out of their
mouths.

Really? How does that work with infant toys that are DESIGNED to be
mouth toys? You are familiar with the whole development process, right?

Thing is, we have laws about lead and lead paint in toys. The companies
who import them know this. The companies in China and other places know
this. The Chinese manufacturers choose to put lead paint onto products
because it's cheaper, and the importers don't bother to do anything like
test for it. Even if you feel that lead paint on kids toys is no big
deal for some reason, that doesn't chnage the fact that it's an illegal
import. Since we can't realistically do anything to the manufacturer in
communist china who is trying to poison our kids, (Or, if you prefer,
who is willingly violating import laws for the market they're selling
to), the obvious party to fix the problem is the importer. Mattel,
Disney, I'm looking at you here. Your name is on it, you're a USA'n
entity, you're liable for preventing the problem. And when they fail to
prevent the problem by inspecting their suppliers and the product, then
there should be a REAL fine for it. No trivial $50K bull****, make it a
million bucks a shot or something. Use that to fund the CPSC.

Thus far it is still legal to take a daughter or granddaughter fishing
for brightly-colored feisty sunfish, lead sinkers and all. Good
parents don't let the kids chew the sinkers.

We KNOW those are lead. When you by, oh, I don't know, let's say this:
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml08/08050.html - to put in
direct contact with food, because that's what it's made for, do you
really think the burdon of testing for lead should be on the end-user?
And no, that's not an isolated example. Again, search for "lead paint"
at http://www.productrecallwatch.com/ and see all the stuff illegally
being sold with an easy to prevent problem. And then note how much of
it is made in China.

You're blaming parents for this? Really?

It'll be awhile before the gummint has enough inspectors to visit
every dock on each of MN's 10,000 lakes to put a stop to the
excitement of little girls catching sunnies off those docks.

This isn't about lead where lead is expected to be, it's about products
which aren't supposed to have it, but do.

When they do come, I hope they are able to instruct on how to lash an
approved pebble to an approved bobbber with good knots using
bio-degradable line, after the worm has been properly tested and
approved for nutritional value in case the kid decides to eat it.

Tell me, Don, do you expect people to use lead sinkers as jewelry? Do
you expect them to be used as teething toys for toddlers, or to put them
on a birthday cake? You're talking about two entirely different things.
Lead where it's appropriate and expected has never been the problem or
the target. Responses such as yours show either ignorance or
intentional distortion of the issue, and serve to do nothing but
distract from the actual problem and solution.
This is all caused by "Millwright Ron" and his blessed union having
bankrupted all North American manufacturers to the point that
commercial enterprise can only find product to sell by importing from
areas where nobody gives a S**T.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

Gerald Miller wrote:

This is all caused by "Millwright Ron" and his blessed union having
bankrupted all North American manufacturers to the point that
commercial enterprise can only find product to sell by importing from
areas where nobody gives a S**T.


No, but they love to sell it to us.


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On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:04:31 -0400, Gerald Miller wrote:
On 22 Mar 2008 16:35:30 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

This isn't about lead where lead is expected to be, it's about products
which aren't supposed to have it, but do.

This is all caused by "Millwright Ron" and his blessed union having
bankrupted all North American manufacturers to the point that
commercial enterprise can only find product to sell by importing from
areas where nobody gives a S**T.

Sorry, as much as Ron annoys, HIS people didn't put lead into my kids'
toys. The Chinese did, and Mattel and Disney and others imported it.
Ron and his type may be a contributing factor but the direct cause is
some corrupt chinese businessman intentionally substituting an illegal
product, and American companies turning a blind eye to it.

On Mar 22, 5:56*pm, Dave Hinz wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:04:31 -0400, Gerald Miller wrote:
On 22 Mar 2008 16:35:30 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

This isn't about lead where lead is expected to be, it's about products
which aren't supposed to have it, but do.
This is all caused by "Millwright Ron" and his blessed union having
bankrupted all North American manufacturers to the point that
commercial enterprise can only find product to sell by importing from
areas where nobody gives a S**T.

Sorry, as much as Ron annoys, HIS people didn't put lead into my kids'
toys. *The Chinese did, and Mattel and Disney and others imported it.
Ron and his type may be a contributing factor but the direct cause is
some corrupt chinese businessman intentionally substituting an illegal
product, and American companies turning a blind eye to it.

Correct.

And they are being protected by the current Administration who is
personally benefitting from the poisoning of Americans.

TMT