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It is happening again...why does this not surprise me.
From a consumer standpoint, how does one protect yourself from tainted goods? This applies to Chinese tools also. TMT NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- High levels of lead were found in various items branded with Disney's (DIS, Fortune 500) popular Hannah Montana character, the Center for Environmental Health said Tuesday. Vinyl backpacks, a vinyl purse and other Hannah Montana items purchased from Wal-Mart (WMT, Fortune 500), Target (TGT, Fortune 500) and Toys "R" Us stores contained the toxic metal, some of them in excess of the federal standard for lead paint, the CEH said. According to the organization, it purchased 28 Hannah Montana products in stores and online. Five of them tested between three and fourteen times the federal standard, which is between 1,800 and 8,300 parts per million. "Lead can impact girls' learning and development throughout their youth and later can reduce their ability to have healthy children. It's the worst of both worlds," said CEH director Michael Green in a statement. The CEH called on parents to avoid exposing their children to vinyl items, calling it a "poison plastic." Representatives from Wal-Mart, Target and Toys "R" Us stores were not immediately available for comment. |
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Too_Many_Tools wrote: It is happening again...why does this not surprise me. Aren't you WAY to old to be playing with dolls? -- aioe.org is home to cowards and terrorists Add this line to your news proxy nfilter.dat file * drop Path:*aioe.org!not-for-mail to drop all aioe.org traffic. http://improve-usenet.org/index.html |
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On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:02:55 -0600, Louis Ohland
wrote: How many weeks ago did this happen? Too_Many_Tools wrote: It is happening again...why does this not surprise me. From a consumer standpoint, how does one protect yourself from tainted goods? This applies to Chinese tools also. TMT NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- High levels of lead were found in various items branded with Disney's (DIS, Fortune 500) popular Hannah Montana character, the Center for Environmental Health said Tuesday. Vinyl backpacks, a vinyl purse and other Hannah Montana items purchased from Wal-Mart (WMT, Fortune 500), Target (TGT, Fortune 500) and Toys "R" Us stores contained the toxic metal, some of them in excess of the federal standard for lead paint, the CEH said. According to the organization, it purchased 28 Hannah Montana products in stores and online. Five of them tested between three and fourteen times the federal standard, which is between 1,800 and 8,300 parts per million. "Lead can impact girls' learning and development throughout their youth and later can reduce their ability to have healthy children. It's the worst of both worlds," said CEH director Michael Green in a statement. The CEH called on parents to avoid exposing their children to vinyl items, calling it a "poison plastic." Representatives from Wal-Mart, Target and Toys "R" Us stores were not immediately available for comment. The next big question is why are those girls eating the artwork and paint off those products? Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
OT - Lead found in popular Hannah Montana items
How many weeks ago did this happen?
Too_Many_Tools wrote: It is happening again...why does this not surprise me. From a consumer standpoint, how does one protect yourself from tainted goods? This applies to Chinese tools also. TMT NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- High levels of lead were found in various items branded with Disney's (DIS, Fortune 500) popular Hannah Montana character, the Center for Environmental Health said Tuesday. Vinyl backpacks, a vinyl purse and other Hannah Montana items purchased from Wal-Mart (WMT, Fortune 500), Target (TGT, Fortune 500) and Toys "R" Us stores contained the toxic metal, some of them in excess of the federal standard for lead paint, the CEH said. According to the organization, it purchased 28 Hannah Montana products in stores and online. Five of them tested between three and fourteen times the federal standard, which is between 1,800 and 8,300 parts per million. "Lead can impact girls' learning and development throughout their youth and later can reduce their ability to have healthy children. It's the worst of both worlds," said CEH director Michael Green in a statement. The CEH called on parents to avoid exposing their children to vinyl items, calling it a "poison plastic." Representatives from Wal-Mart, Target and Toys "R" Us stores were not immediately available for comment. |
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On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:23:06 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: snip The next big question is why are those girls eating the artwork and paint off those products? Gunner ======== The main problem does not appear to be the teen age girls, but the much younger children that may be in the households. More than likely there is minimal danger to the teen age girls, assuming they were not licking their purses and back packs, or transporting acidic/acetic food, such as pickles, without any wrapping or covering. Sugar of lead is an old term for lead acetate. "Lead acetate has a sweet taste, which has led to its use as a sugar substitute throughout history. The ancient Romans, who had few sweeteners besides honey, would boil must (grape juice) in lead pots to produce a reduced sugar syrup called defrutum, concentrated again into sapa. This syrup was used to sweeten wine, and to sweeten and preserve fruit. It is possible that lead acetate or other lead compounds leaching into the syrup might have caused lead poisoning in anyone consuming it." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_acetate The sweet taste of many lead compounds is what makes paint chips, so dangerous around small children as they tend to chew it. Indeed, with many young children, the first thing they do with anything new is to put it in their mouth. FWIW -- Lead acetate is still used in men's hair coloring products like Grecian Formula. Unka' George [George McDuffee] ------------------------------------------- He that will not apply new remedies, must expect new evils: for Time is the greatest innovator: and if Time, of course, alter things to the worse, and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better, what shall be the end? Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman. Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625). |
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On Mar 18, 3:23*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:02:55 -0600, Louis Ohland wrote: How many weeks ago did this happen? Too_Many_Tools wrote: It is happening again...why does this not surprise me. From a consumer standpoint, how does one protect yourself from tainted goods? This applies to Chinese tools also. TMT NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- High levels of lead were found in various items branded with Disney's (DIS, Fortune 500) popular Hannah Montana character, the Center for Environmental Health said Tuesday. Vinyl backpacks, a vinyl purse and other Hannah Montana items purchased from Wal-Mart (WMT, Fortune 500), Target (TGT, Fortune 500) and Toys "R" Us stores contained the toxic metal, some of them in excess of the federal standard for lead paint, the CEH said. According to the organization, it purchased 28 Hannah Montana products in stores and online. Five of them tested between three and fourteen times the federal standard, which is between 1,800 and 8,300 parts per million. "Lead can impact girls' learning and development throughout their youth and later can reduce their ability to have healthy children. It's the worst of both worlds," said CEH director Michael Green in a statement. The CEH called on parents to avoid exposing their children to vinyl items, calling it a "poison plastic." Representatives from Wal-Mart, Target and Toys "R" Us stores were not immediately available for comment. The next big question is why are those girls eating the artwork and paint off those products? Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont *kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." *Gunner- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Who says it is girls? I thought it was old Republican men...they are the ones wearing the Hannah wigs and heels. TMT |
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On Mar 18, 4:52*pm, F. George McDuffee gmcduf...@mcduffee-
associates.us wrote: On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:23:06 -0700, Gunner wrote: snipThe next big question is why are those girls eating the artwork and paint off those products? Gunner ======== The main problem does not appear to be the teen age girls, but the much younger children that may be in the households. *More than likely there is minimal danger to the teen age girls, assuming they were not licking their purses and back packs, or transporting acidic/acetic food, such as pickles, without any wrapping or covering. Sugar of lead is an old term for lead acetate. *"Lead acetate has a sweet taste, which has led to its use as a sugar substitute throughout history. The ancient Romans, who had few sweeteners besides honey, would boil must (grape juice) in lead pots to produce a reduced sugar syrup called defrutum, concentrated again into sapa. This syrup was used to sweeten wine, and to sweeten and preserve fruit. It is possible that lead acetate or other lead compounds leaching into the syrup might have caused lead poisoning in anyone consuming it."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_acetate The sweet taste of many lead compounds is what makes paint chips, so dangerous around small children as they tend to chew it. Indeed, with many young children, the first thing they do with anything new is to put it in their mouth. FWIW -- Lead acetate is still used in men's hair coloring products like Grecian Formula. Unka' George [George McDuffee] ------------------------------------------- He that will not apply new remedies, must expect new evils: for Time is the greatest innovator: and if Time, of course, alter things to the worse, and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better, what shall be the end? Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman. Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625). FWIW -- Lead acetate is still used in men's hair coloring products like Grecian Formula. Is that why old men vote Republican...diminished mental performance because of lead poisoning? TMT |
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On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:02:55 -0600, Louis Ohland wrote:
How many weeks ago did this happen? You can search the last 6 months or so of product recalls at a site I run, http://www.productrecallwatch.com/ Yup, there's google ads. And I've made about 5 bucks on them since I started the site, so I think it's pretty fair to say I'm not in it for the money. Dave |
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Too_Many_Tools wrote: Who says it is girls? I thought it was old Republican men...they are the ones wearing the Hannah wigs and heels. We don't want to hear about your wardrobe. -- aioe.org is home to cowards and terrorists Add this line to your news proxy nfilter.dat file * drop Path:*aioe.org!not-for-mail to drop all aioe.org traffic. http://improve-usenet.org/index.html |
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On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:52:25 -0600, F. George McDuffee
wrote: On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:23:06 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: snip The next big question is why are those girls eating the artwork and paint off those products? Gunner ======== The main problem does not appear to be the teen age girls, but the much younger children that may be in the households. More than likely there is minimal danger to the teen age girls, assuming they were not licking their purses and back packs, or transporting acidic/acetic food, such as pickles, without any wrapping or covering. Sugar of lead is an old term for lead acetate. "Lead acetate has a sweet taste, which has led to its use as a sugar substitute throughout history. The ancient Romans, who had few sweeteners besides honey, would boil must (grape juice) in lead pots to produce a reduced sugar syrup called defrutum, concentrated again into sapa. This syrup was used to sweeten wine, and to sweeten and preserve fruit. It is possible that lead acetate or other lead compounds leaching into the syrup might have caused lead poisoning in anyone consuming it." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_acetate The sweet taste of many lead compounds is what makes paint chips, so dangerous around small children as they tend to chew it. Indeed, with many young children, the first thing they do with anything new is to put it in their mouth. FWIW -- Lead acetate is still used in men's hair coloring products like Grecian Formula. Unka' George [George McDuffee] ------------------------------------------- He that will not apply new remedies, must expect new evils: for Time is the greatest innovator: and if Time, of course, alter things to the worse, and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better, what shall be the end? Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman. Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625). And the health hazards/probability of a young child licking a bookbag soaked with apple cider is what again? Some times...tempests do form in teapots. Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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Too_Many_Tools wrote:
It is happening again...why does this not surprise me. From a consumer standpoint, how does one protect yourself from tainted goods? This applies to Chinese tools also. TMT NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- High levels of lead were found in various items branded with Disney's (DIS, Fortune 500) popular Hannah Montana character, the Center for Environmental Health said Tuesday. Did you hear that there is exactly ONE inspector for ALL toys for the ENTIRE US at the CSPC (Consumer Products Safety Commission)? Just ONE overburdened guy who has to check out EVERY kind of toy sold in the whole US? Totally INCREDIBLE! No WONDER we can't catch this stuff before it is on the store shelves. Jon |
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On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:34:17 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: And the health hazards/probability of a young child licking a bookbag soaked with apple cider is what again? Some times...tempests do form in teapots. ========== This may be of interest. WASHINGTON (AP) — Athletic shoe and apparel maker Reebok has agreed to pay a $1 million fine for importing and distributing charm bracelets that contained toxic levels of lead and ==resulted in the death of a 4-year-old boy.== for complete article click on http://www.usatoday.com/money/indust...c_N.htm?csp=34 Admittedly 1 in 300,000 is pretty good odds, unless it is your kid that dies. Another factor is that lead exposure has considerable adverse affects on intelligence, and it does not take many of the remaining 299,999 bracelets to create a "learning disability" [special ed] child and/or diminished metal capacity adults [such as voting Democratic] to incur external [to the company] costs that far outstrip the 1mm$ fine. If Reebok had to have a bracelet for product promotion, it would have been at most only a few additional dollars [if any] for a tin, aluminum, or inert/safe plastic heart pendant, although this would still seem to fall under the small parts choking hazard prohibition. Unka' George [George McDuffee] ------------------------------------------- He that will not apply new remedies, must expect new evils: for Time is the greatest innovator: and if Time, of course, alter things to the worse, and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better, what shall be the end? Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman. Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625). |
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On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:53:08 -0600, with neither quill nor qualm, F.
George McDuffee quickly quoth: On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:34:17 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: And the health hazards/probability of a young child licking a bookbag soaked with apple cider is what again? Some times...tempests do form in teapots. ========== This may be of interest. WASHINGTON (AP) — Athletic shoe and apparel maker Reebok has agreed to pay a $1 million fine for importing and distributing charm bracelets that contained toxic levels of lead and ==resulted in the death of a 4-year-old boy.== While I'm sorry for the dumb kid, all I can think of is "Crap, there goes the price of my sneakers again." Reebok Classic nylong crosstrainers are the mainstay of my footwear today. for complete article click on http://www.usatoday.com/money/indust...c_N.htm?csp=34 Admittedly 1 in 300,000 is pretty good odds, unless it is your kid that dies. Another factor is that lead exposure has considerable adverse affects on intelligence, and it does not take many of the remaining 299,999 bracelets to create a "learning disability" [special ed] child and/or diminished metal capacity adults [such as voting Democratic] to incur external [to the company] costs that far outstrip the 1mm$ fine. With all the hubbub about lead these days, do you see any of the supposed victims? Hell, we all grew up munching lead weights on fishing lines from age, what, 3? Many of us cast our own lead figurines and sinkers, bullets, etc. We all survived a nearly continuous contact with lead for years, but how many of us are braindead? (Ah, ah, ah, don't go there!) I'm not buying the scare. If Reebok had to have a bracelet for product promotion, it would have been at most only a few additional dollars [if any] for a tin, aluminum, or inert/safe plastic heart pendant, although this would still seem to fall under the small parts choking hazard prohibition. Oh, come on, George. They bought these things as cheap trifles and had no expectation that they would be harmful. Adding several dollars to each of a million pairs of shoes is a very expensive proposition. Their $25,000 (WAG) marketing gimmick would have cost and extra several million dollars. That's not realistic. Why is it that our country finds the need to mandate that nothing can be sold which could possibly harm the stupidest of us -while- they're being ignored by their parents? Gimme a freakin' break... Spencer had it right. -- Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives. -- A. Sachs |
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On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:30:18 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: While I'm sorry for the dumb kid, all I can think of is "Crap, there goes the price of my sneakers again." Reebok Classic nylong crosstrainers are the mainstay of my footwear today. Have you looked for/bought any lately? My local store where I had been getting them hasn't had them for around a year now. I still have one decent pair, haven't tried looking elsewhere yet. Decided to try a pair of Dr. Scholl's Sport variety for now. Most of the stores like Target and Kmart seem to just carry their cheapo house brands now... These look similar, but I didn't see the Classic Nylon listed: http://www.famousfootwear.com/produc...riant_id=65112 I couldn't find any links to the pair of Dr Scholl's I bought. I'm waiting for a bit better weather before I start using them. Still have too much gooey/wet/mud around may area for new shoes ;-) -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b Remove no.spam for email |
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On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:25:15 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, Leon
Fisk quickly quoth: On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:30:18 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: While I'm sorry for the dumb kid, all I can think of is "Crap, there goes the price of my sneakers again." Reebok Classic nylong crosstrainers are the mainstay of my footwear today. Have you looked for/bought any lately? I haven't found any in stores since 2000 in Vista, CA., where I found them for $18/pr. The 2 pairs before last came from Zounds.com and they were $25/pr. The last 2 pairs came from Zappos and they were $31 and $40 (one mesh style.) Now I'll be lucky to pay only $50 or $65 for a pair, all cuzza some lead-sucking punk. I couldn't find any links to the pair of Dr Scholl's I bought. I'm waiting for a bit better weather before I start using them. Still have too much gooey/wet/mud around may area for new shoes ;-) I found some absolutely excellent boots for $20 a pop at Big 5 last year and bought 2 pairs of them, too. It's hard to fit my feet and I like extra spongy shoes with good arch support. They're Outdoor Gear Trail Crest II, model 1055. -- Try not to become a man of success but rather to become a man of value. -- Albert Einstein |
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On Mar 20, 7:53 pm, F. George McDuffee gmcduf...@mcduffee-
associates.us wrote: On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:34:17 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: And the health hazards/probability of a young child licking a bookbag soaked with apple cider is what again? Some times...tempests do form in teapots. ========== This may be of interest. WASHINGTON (AP) -- Athletic shoe and apparel maker Reebok has agreed to pay a $1 million fine for importing and distributing charm bracelets that contained toxic levels of lead and ==resulted in the death of a 4-year-old boy.== for complete article click onhttp://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2008-03-18-reebok-fin... Admittedly 1 in 300,000 is pretty good odds, unless it is your kid that dies. Another factor is that lead exposure has considerable adverse affects on intelligence, and it does not take many of the remaining 299,999 bracelets to create a "learning disability" [special ed] child and/or diminished metal capacity adults [such as voting Democratic] to incur external [to the company] costs that far outstrip the 1mm$ fine. If Reebok had to have a bracelet for product promotion, it would have been at most only a few additional dollars [if any] for a tin, aluminum, or inert/safe plastic heart pendant, although this would still seem to fall under the small parts choking hazard prohibition. Unka' George [George McDuffee] ------------------------------------------- He that will not apply new remedies, must expect new evils: for Time is the greatest innovator: and if Time, of course, alter things to the worse, and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better, what shall be the end? Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman. Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625). "..and it does not take many of the remaining 299,999 bracelets to create a "learning disability" [special ed] child and/or diminished metal capacity adults [such as voting Democratic] to incur external [to the company] costs that far outstrip the 1mm$ fine. " "..diminished metal capacity adults [such as voting Democratic]?" LOL....consider the declining condition of this Country under Republican leadership and I think the facts speak for themselves as to which Party the diminished adults have been voting for. Considering those mentally diminished adults, has George Busb been tested for lead poisoning? TMT |
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On Mar 20, 8:30 pm, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:53:08 -0600, with neither quill nor qualm, F. George McDuffee quickly quoth: On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:34:17 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: And the health hazards/probability of a young child licking a bookbag soaked with apple cider is what again? Some times...tempests do form in teapots. ========== This may be of interest. WASHINGTON (AP) -- Athletic shoe and apparel maker Reebok has agreed to pay a $1 million fine for importing and distributing charm bracelets that contained toxic levels of lead and ==resulted in the death of a 4-year-old boy.== While I'm sorry for the dumb kid, all I can think of is "Crap, there goes the price of my sneakers again." Reebok Classic nylong crosstrainers are the mainstay of my footwear today. for complete article click on http://www.usatoday.com/money/indust...-18-reebok-fin... Admittedly 1 in 300,000 is pretty good odds, unless it is your kid that dies. Another factor is that lead exposure has considerable adverse affects on intelligence, and it does not take many of the remaining 299,999 bracelets to create a "learning disability" [special ed] child and/or diminished metal capacity adults [such as voting Democratic] to incur external [to the company] costs that far outstrip the 1mm$ fine. With all the hubbub about lead these days, do you see any of the supposed victims? Hell, we all grew up munching lead weights on fishing lines from age, what, 3? Many of us cast our own lead figurines and sinkers, bullets, etc. We all survived a nearly continuous contact with lead for years, but how many of us are braindead? (Ah, ah, ah, don't go there!) I'm not buying the scare. If Reebok had to have a bracelet for product promotion, it would have been at most only a few additional dollars [if any] for a tin, aluminum, or inert/safe plastic heart pendant, although this would still seem to fall under the small parts choking hazard prohibition. Oh, come on, George. They bought these things as cheap trifles and had no expectation that they would be harmful. Adding several dollars to each of a million pairs of shoes is a very expensive proposition. Their $25,000 (WAG) marketing gimmick would have cost and extra several million dollars. That's not realistic. Why is it that our country finds the need to mandate that nothing can be sold which could possibly harm the stupidest of us -while- they're being ignored by their parents? Gimme a freakin' break... Spencer had it right. -- Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives. -- A. Sachs Would you be having the same opinion if the child that died was yours? Or the child who was permanently mentally crippled was your son or daughter/ It seems like you need a lesson in life taught. TMT |
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On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:42:00 -0600, Jon Elson
wrote: Too_Many_Tools wrote: It is happening again...why does this not surprise me. From a consumer standpoint, how does one protect yourself from tainted goods? This applies to Chinese tools also. TMT NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- High levels of lead were found in various items branded with Disney's (DIS, Fortune 500) popular Hannah Montana character, the Center for Environmental Health said Tuesday. Did you hear that there is exactly ONE inspector for ALL toys for the ENTIRE US at the CSPC (Consumer Products Safety Commission)? Just ONE overburdened guy who has to check out EVERY kind of toy sold in the whole US? Totally INCREDIBLE! No WONDER we can't catch this stuff before it is on the store shelves. Jon Most children have at least one parent that is both more capable and more motivated than the government to supervise them, nurture them and keep objects and substances of unknown provenance out of their mouths. Thus far it is still legal to take a daughter or granddaughter fishing for brightly-colored feisty sunfish, lead sinkers and all. Good parents don't let the kids chew the sinkers. It'll be awhile before the gummint has enough inspectors to visit every dock on each of MN's 10,000 lakes to put a stop to the excitement of little girls catching sunnies off those docks. When they do come, I hope they are able to instruct on how to lash an approved pebble to an approved bobbber with good knots using bio-degradable line, after the worm has been properly tested and approved for nutritional value in case the kid decides to eat it. |
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On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:41:29 -0600, Don Foreman wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:42:00 -0600, Jon Elson wrote: Did you hear that there is exactly ONE inspector for ALL toys for the ENTIRE US at the CSPC (Consumer Products Safety Commission)? Just ONE overburdened guy who has to check out EVERY kind of toy sold in the whole US? Totally INCREDIBLE! No WONDER we can't catch this stuff before it is on the store shelves. Most children have at least one parent that is both more capable and more motivated than the government to supervise them, nurture them and keep objects and substances of unknown provenance out of their mouths. Really? How does that work with infant toys that are DESIGNED to be mouth toys? You are familiar with the whole development process, right? Thing is, we have laws about lead and lead paint in toys. The companies who import them know this. The companies in China and other places know this. The Chinese manufacturers choose to put lead paint onto products because it's cheaper, and the importers don't bother to do anything like test for it. Even if you feel that lead paint on kids toys is no big deal for some reason, that doesn't chnage the fact that it's an illegal import. Since we can't realistically do anything to the manufacturer in communist china who is trying to poison our kids, (Or, if you prefer, who is willingly violating import laws for the market they're selling to), the obvious party to fix the problem is the importer. Mattel, Disney, I'm looking at you here. Your name is on it, you're a USA'n entity, you're liable for preventing the problem. And when they fail to prevent the problem by inspecting their suppliers and the product, then there should be a REAL fine for it. No trivial $50K bull****, make it a million bucks a shot or something. Use that to fund the CPSC. Thus far it is still legal to take a daughter or granddaughter fishing for brightly-colored feisty sunfish, lead sinkers and all. Good parents don't let the kids chew the sinkers. We KNOW those are lead. When you by, oh, I don't know, let's say this: http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml08/08050.html - to put in direct contact with food, because that's what it's made for, do you really think the burdon of testing for lead should be on the end-user? And no, that's not an isolated example. Again, search for "lead paint" at http://www.productrecallwatch.com/ and see all the stuff illegally being sold with an easy to prevent problem. And then note how much of it is made in China. You're blaming parents for this? Really? It'll be awhile before the gummint has enough inspectors to visit every dock on each of MN's 10,000 lakes to put a stop to the excitement of little girls catching sunnies off those docks. This isn't about lead where lead is expected to be, it's about products which aren't supposed to have it, but do. When they do come, I hope they are able to instruct on how to lash an approved pebble to an approved bobbber with good knots using bio-degradable line, after the worm has been properly tested and approved for nutritional value in case the kid decides to eat it. Tell me, Don, do you expect people to use lead sinkers as jewelry? Do you expect them to be used as teething toys for toddlers, or to put them on a birthday cake? You're talking about two entirely different things. Lead where it's appropriate and expected has never been the problem or the target. Responses such as yours show either ignorance or intentional distortion of the issue, and serve to do nothing but distract from the actual problem and solution. |
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On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:41:29 -0600, Don Foreman
wrote: Most children have at least one parent that is both more capable and more motivated than the government to supervise them, nurture them and keep objects and substances of unknown provenance out of their mouths. Thus far it is still legal to take a daughter or granddaughter fishing for brightly-colored feisty sunfish, lead sinkers and all. Good parents don't let the kids chew the sinkers. It'll be awhile before the gummint has enough inspectors to visit every dock on each of MN's 10,000 lakes to put a stop to the excitement of little girls catching sunnies off those docks. When they do come, I hope they are able to instruct on how to lash an approved pebble to an approved bobbber with good knots using bio-degradable line, after the worm has been properly tested and approved for nutritional value in case the kid decides to eat it. BRAVO Gerry :-)} London, Canada |
OT - Lead found in popular Hannah Montana items
On 22 Mar 2008 16:35:30 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:41:29 -0600, Don Foreman wrote: On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:42:00 -0600, Jon Elson wrote: Did you hear that there is exactly ONE inspector for ALL toys for the ENTIRE US at the CSPC (Consumer Products Safety Commission)? Just ONE overburdened guy who has to check out EVERY kind of toy sold in the whole US? Totally INCREDIBLE! No WONDER we can't catch this stuff before it is on the store shelves. Most children have at least one parent that is both more capable and more motivated than the government to supervise them, nurture them and keep objects and substances of unknown provenance out of their mouths. Really? How does that work with infant toys that are DESIGNED to be mouth toys? You are familiar with the whole development process, right? Thing is, we have laws about lead and lead paint in toys. The companies who import them know this. The companies in China and other places know this. The Chinese manufacturers choose to put lead paint onto products because it's cheaper, and the importers don't bother to do anything like test for it. Even if you feel that lead paint on kids toys is no big deal for some reason, that doesn't chnage the fact that it's an illegal import. Since we can't realistically do anything to the manufacturer in communist china who is trying to poison our kids, (Or, if you prefer, who is willingly violating import laws for the market they're selling to), the obvious party to fix the problem is the importer. Mattel, Disney, I'm looking at you here. Your name is on it, you're a USA'n entity, you're liable for preventing the problem. And when they fail to prevent the problem by inspecting their suppliers and the product, then there should be a REAL fine for it. No trivial $50K bull****, make it a million bucks a shot or something. Use that to fund the CPSC. Thus far it is still legal to take a daughter or granddaughter fishing for brightly-colored feisty sunfish, lead sinkers and all. Good parents don't let the kids chew the sinkers. We KNOW those are lead. When you by, oh, I don't know, let's say this: http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml08/08050.html - to put in direct contact with food, because that's what it's made for, do you really think the burdon of testing for lead should be on the end-user? And no, that's not an isolated example. Again, search for "lead paint" at http://www.productrecallwatch.com/ and see all the stuff illegally being sold with an easy to prevent problem. And then note how much of it is made in China. You're blaming parents for this? Really? It'll be awhile before the gummint has enough inspectors to visit every dock on each of MN's 10,000 lakes to put a stop to the excitement of little girls catching sunnies off those docks. This isn't about lead where lead is expected to be, it's about products which aren't supposed to have it, but do. When they do come, I hope they are able to instruct on how to lash an approved pebble to an approved bobbber with good knots using bio-degradable line, after the worm has been properly tested and approved for nutritional value in case the kid decides to eat it. Tell me, Don, do you expect people to use lead sinkers as jewelry? Do you expect them to be used as teething toys for toddlers, or to put them on a birthday cake? You're talking about two entirely different things. Lead where it's appropriate and expected has never been the problem or the target. Responses such as yours show either ignorance or intentional distortion of the issue, and serve to do nothing but distract from the actual problem and solution. This is all caused by "Millwright Ron" and his blessed union having bankrupted all North American manufacturers to the point that commercial enterprise can only find product to sell by importing from areas where nobody gives a S**T. Gerry :-)} London, Canada |
OT - Lead found in popular Hannah Montana items
Gerald Miller wrote: This is all caused by "Millwright Ron" and his blessed union having bankrupted all North American manufacturers to the point that commercial enterprise can only find product to sell by importing from areas where nobody gives a S**T. No, but they love to sell it to us. -- aioe.org is home to cowards and terrorists Add this line to your news proxy nfilter.dat file * drop Path:*aioe.org!not-for-mail to drop all aioe.org traffic. http://improve-usenet.org/index.html |
OT - Lead found in popular Hannah Montana items
On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:04:31 -0400, Gerald Miller wrote:
On 22 Mar 2008 16:35:30 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote: This isn't about lead where lead is expected to be, it's about products which aren't supposed to have it, but do. This is all caused by "Millwright Ron" and his blessed union having bankrupted all North American manufacturers to the point that commercial enterprise can only find product to sell by importing from areas where nobody gives a S**T. Sorry, as much as Ron annoys, HIS people didn't put lead into my kids' toys. The Chinese did, and Mattel and Disney and others imported it. Ron and his type may be a contributing factor but the direct cause is some corrupt chinese businessman intentionally substituting an illegal product, and American companies turning a blind eye to it. |
OT - Lead found in popular Hannah Montana items
On Mar 22, 5:56*pm, Dave Hinz wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:04:31 -0400, Gerald Miller wrote: On 22 Mar 2008 16:35:30 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote: This isn't about lead where lead is expected to be, it's about products which aren't supposed to have it, but do. This is all caused by "Millwright Ron" and his blessed union having bankrupted all North American manufacturers to the point that commercial enterprise can only find product to sell by importing from areas where nobody gives a S**T. Sorry, as much as Ron annoys, HIS people didn't put lead into my kids' toys. *The Chinese did, and Mattel and Disney and others imported it. Ron and his type may be a contributing factor but the direct cause is some corrupt chinese businessman intentionally substituting an illegal product, and American companies turning a blind eye to it. Correct. And they are being protected by the current Administration who is personally benefitting from the poisoning of Americans. TMT |
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