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jusme[_2_] March 10th 08 01:53 AM

Propane + air silver soldering small parts?
 
I used to make jewelry as a hobby and I made a lot of it.

I used a Prestolite torch and did very well with it. However, there is one
best way to go and that is with the Smith Little Torch (changed ownership
now) and a "B" acetylene bottle and either a small oxygen bottle or a
propane bottle (if Smith makes propane tips) and you will be set.

In fact, I am very surprised that many folks on here and the sci.engr.
joining group don't
have a Smith Little Torch I darned near would bet money that once they saw
one in action, they would rush right out to complete their welding
repertoire.

j/b


" wrote in message
...
I have a few propane units .. some are large hardware store units that
I use for heating saxophone parts. But I need a small cheap propane
and AIR or that uses AIR not Oxygen (way too expensive $10 for 15
minutes is tooo much) to do silversoldering on small parts. I mean
real silver soldering that is high temperature and results in high
strength attachment as in saxophone parts like keys that I want to
make. There is a type of solder with silver in it but I mean 1200F
melting temp solder that is almost brazing temp.

..any help here? I have tried the sax forums but they have not been
very helpful for some reason.

I have
BernzoMatic TS4000 ..puts out a lot of heat but flame is way way too
large ..can I get smaller nozzle to fit on ti ... I have tried but
information is lacking. This unit mixes air to give the right heat but
too large a unit.

Also
BernzoMatic 370A to use with TX-9 container

Also
Bernzomatic MPS gas and oxygen bottles with small torch

The best solution wouldd be the above TS4000 with a smaller nozzle for
a smaller flame if anyone knows where or how I can obtain such a unit.

thanks a lot

Frax




LLBrown March 12th 08 11:04 AM

Propane + air silver soldering small parts?
 

"jusme" wrote in message
...
I used to make jewelry as a hobby and I made a lot of it.

I used a Prestolite torch and did very well with it. However, there is
one best way to go and that is with the Smith Little Torch (changed
ownership now) and a "B" acetylene bottle and either a small oxygen bottle
or a propane bottle (if Smith makes propane tips) and you will be set.

In fact, I am very surprised that many folks on here and the sci.engr.
joining group don't
have a Smith Little Torch I darned near would bet money that once they
saw one in action, they would rush right out to complete their welding
repertoire.

j/b


" wrote in message
...
I have a few propane units .. some are large hardware store units that
I use for heating saxophone parts. But I need a small cheap propane
and AIR or that uses AIR not Oxygen (way too expensive $10 for 15
minutes is tooo much) to do silversoldering on small parts. I mean
real silver soldering that is high temperature and results in high
strength attachment as in saxophone parts like keys that I want to
make. There is a type of solder with silver in it but I mean 1200F
melting temp solder that is almost brazing temp.

..any help here? I have tried the sax forums but they have not been
very helpful for some reason.

I have
BernzoMatic TS4000 ..puts out a lot of heat but flame is way way too
large ..can I get smaller nozzle to fit on ti ... I have tried but
information is lacking. This unit mixes air to give the right heat but
too large a unit.

Also
BernzoMatic 370A to use with TX-9 container

Also
Bernzomatic MPS gas and oxygen bottles with small torch

The best solution wouldd be the above TS4000 with a smaller nozzle for
a smaller flame if anyone knows where or how I can obtain such a unit.

thanks a lot

Frax


I seldom silver solder also but when I do I use an off the shelf mapp torch.
It is ok with detatched parts but too large to use near the body of an
instrument.

LLLB



[email protected] March 13th 08 12:54 AM

Propane + air silver soldering small parts?
 
On Mar 12, 5:04*am, "LLBrown" wrote:
"jusme" wrote in message

...



I used to make jewelry as a hobby and I made a lot of it.


I used a Prestolite torch and did very well with it. *However, there is
one best way to go and that is with the Smith Little Torch (changed
ownership now) and a "B" acetylene bottle and either a small oxygen bottle
or a propane bottle (if Smith makes propane tips) and you will be set.


In fact, I am very surprised that many folks on here and the sci.engr.
joining group don't
have a Smith Little Torch *I darned near would bet money that once they
saw one in action, they would rush right out to complete their welding
repertoire.


j/b


" wrote in message
...
I have a few propane units .. some are large hardware store units that
I use for heating saxophone parts. But I need a small cheap propane
and AIR or that uses AIR not Oxygen (way too expensive $10 for 15
minutes is tooo much) to do silversoldering on small parts. I mean
real silver soldering that is high temperature and results in high
strength attachment as in saxophone parts like keys that I want to
make. There is a type of solder with silver in it but I mean 1200F
melting temp solder that is almost brazing temp.


..any help here? *I have tried the sax forums but they have not been
very helpful for some reason.


I have
BernzoMatic TS4000 *..puts out a lot of heat but flame is way way too
large *..can I get smaller nozzle to fit on ti ... I have tried but
information is lacking. This unit mixes air to give the right heat but
too large a unit.


Also
BernzoMatic 370A to use with TX-9 container


Also
Bernzomatic MPS gas and oxygen bottles with small torch


The best solution wouldd be the above TS4000 with a smaller nozzle for
a smaller flame if anyone knows where or how I can obtain such a unit.


thanks a lot


Frax


I seldom silver solder also but when I do I use an off the shelf mapp torch.
It is ok with detatched parts but too large to use near the body of an
instrument.

LLLB- Hide quoted text -

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Which is where the Smith Little Torch comes in. You can get tips with
flame size so small you have to use a magnifier to set the mixture.
Haven't had to use the smallest tip in the set, yet, just put it on
and fired it up one time to see what it did. Just a small blue dot.
Have to use a flame to light it, a sparker won't do the job.

They also had a full range of tip accessories at one time, including
bendable extension tubes in 6" and 12" lengths and ring burners that
had three flames converging on the center. That's great for brazing
tubing and fittings. Also had dual tip burners with the tips
opposing. Don't think they're cataloged anymore, kind of
specialized. Got mine before they disappeared. Got to be quick
brazing copper or brass with O/A, it'll melt or boil in an instant if
you're too slow.

Stan


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