Ok, there is metal content.

I managed to get a former refrigerated trailer, that was last used as
a rental storage unit... anyhow it has a small diesel engine (nice!)
directly coupled to what looks like a two lung compressor.

Now here's the question, WHAT is/was used as lubricant for the
compressor unit??

This is a 30 year old trailer - so whatever was used then is
most likely in there now.

The problem is that the a-hole "code enforcement" person is
telling me that it represents a "hazardous material". I think
he is likely talking out of the wrong hole - but I prefer to slam
dunk people like that with insurmountable evidence and facts, arguing
with idiots is a waste of time and energy.

Anyone KNOW what the stuff is, what trade names are typical?
That way I can get the MSDS for it.

I'd think there's maybe a quart or so in it??

Anything special about the compressor oil or its characteristics?
Like will it evaporate in open air or some such thing??

HELP!!

_-_-bear

bear wrote:
Ok, there is metal content.

I managed to get a former refrigerated trailer, that was last used as
a rental storage unit... anyhow it has a small diesel engine (nice!)
directly coupled to what looks like a two lung compressor.

Now here's the question, WHAT is/was used as lubricant for the
compressor unit??

This is a 30 year old trailer - so whatever was used then is
most likely in there now.

The problem is that the a-hole "code enforcement" person is
telling me that it represents a "hazardous material". I think
he is likely talking out of the wrong hole - but I prefer to slam
dunk people like that with insurmountable evidence and facts, arguing
with idiots is a waste of time and energy.

Anyone KNOW what the stuff is, what trade names are typical?
That way I can get the MSDS for it.

I'd think there's maybe a quart or so in it??

Anything special about the compressor oil or its characteristics?
Like will it evaporate in open air or some such thing??

HELP!!

_-_-bear


ThermoKing or Carrier?
I may still have a ThermoKing manual around here somewhere, if that's
what it is.

On Mar 1, 8:30*am, bear wrote:
Ok, there is metal content.

I managed to get a former refrigerated trailer, that was last used as
a rental storage unit... anyhow it has a small diesel engine (nice!)
directly coupled to what looks like a two lung compressor.

Now here's the question, WHAT is/was used as lubricant for the
compressor unit??

This is a 30 year old trailer - so whatever was used then is
most likely in there now.

The problem is that the a-hole "code enforcement" person is
telling me that it represents a "hazardous material". I think
he is likely talking out of the wrong hole - but I prefer to slam
dunk people like that with insurmountable evidence and facts, arguing
with idiots is a waste of time and energy.

Anyone KNOW what the stuff is, what trade names are typical?
That way I can get the MSDS for it.

I'd think there's maybe a quart or so in it??

Anything special about the compressor oil or its characteristics?
Like will it evaporate in open air or some such thing??

HELP!!

* * * * * _-_-bear

Typically, using Freon, the lubricating oil would be a highly refined
mineral oil, no additives. No hazard there other than the oil
itself. Would go in the oil recycling tank at the local parts joint.
Any refrigerant disolved in there would rapidly go away once it hits
normal air.

Are you looking to junk the unit or refurb it? To be legal, you'd
need to get someone involved to suction out what refrigerant is left
and they'd have to use a recycling unit compatible with whatever is in
there, mixing types just generates a tank of hazardous waste.
Probably what the green nazi was worried about.

Stan

Hey Bear: How about forcing the "Code Enforcement Nazi" to produce the
evidence that the material qualifies as hazardous. Those folks throw their
weight around and we have to jump thru hoops. Lets get them to do some hoop
jumping. They are getting paid.

Stu (Fed up with Building Code idiots.) Fields
wrote in message
...
On Mar 1, 8:30 am, bear wrote:
Ok, there is metal content.

I managed to get a former refrigerated trailer, that was last used as
a rental storage unit... anyhow it has a small diesel engine (nice!)
directly coupled to what looks like a two lung compressor.

Now here's the question, WHAT is/was used as lubricant for the
compressor unit??

This is a 30 year old trailer - so whatever was used then is
most likely in there now.

The problem is that the a-hole "code enforcement" person is
telling me that it represents a "hazardous material". I think
he is likely talking out of the wrong hole - but I prefer to slam
dunk people like that with insurmountable evidence and facts, arguing
with idiots is a waste of time and energy.

Anyone KNOW what the stuff is, what trade names are typical?
That way I can get the MSDS for it.

I'd think there's maybe a quart or so in it??

Anything special about the compressor oil or its characteristics?
Like will it evaporate in open air or some such thing??

HELP!!

_-_-bear

Typically, using Freon, the lubricating oil would be a highly refined
mineral oil, no additives. No hazard there other than the oil
itself. Would go in the oil recycling tank at the local parts joint.
Any refrigerant disolved in there would rapidly go away once it hits
normal air.

Are you looking to junk the unit or refurb it? To be legal, you'd
need to get someone involved to suction out what refrigerant is left
and they'd have to use a recycling unit compatible with whatever is in
there, mixing types just generates a tank of hazardous waste.
Probably what the green nazi was worried about.

Stan

On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 10:30:44 -0500, bear wrote:

Ok, there is metal content.

I managed to get a former refrigerated trailer, that was last used as
a rental storage unit... anyhow it has a small diesel engine (nice!)
directly coupled to what looks like a two lung compressor.

Now here's the question, WHAT is/was used as lubricant for the
compressor unit??

This is a 30 year old trailer - so whatever was used then is
most likely in there now.

The problem is that the a-hole "code enforcement" person is
telling me that it represents a "hazardous material". I think
he is likely talking out of the wrong hole - but I prefer to slam
dunk people like that with insurmountable evidence and facts, arguing
with idiots is a waste of time and energy.

Anyone KNOW what the stuff is, what trade names are typical?
That way I can get the MSDS for it.

I'd think there's maybe a quart or so in it??

Anything special about the compressor oil or its characteristics?
Like will it evaporate in open air or some such thing??

HELP!!

_-_-bear

If it's a standard reefer, it used R-12 refrigerant and a mineral
based refrigeration oil. Once you recover the refrigerant, the oil is
about as benign as you can get.

Find data plate, call manufacturer, get spec sheets and repair
manual. The companies from 30 years ago have gone through mergers and
acquisitions sprees (Carrier bought Transicold, etc) but AFAIK they're
all still running.

The small diesel engines were purchased complete from Kubota and
other Japanese makers - parts are available.

Get MSDS for refrigeration oil and wave it in inspector's face. In
the eyes of a paranoid EVERYTHING is hazardous till proven otherwise,
those of us who understand exposure times and quantities know better
than to freak over occasional and incidental contact with very mild
solvents - something you don't swim in all day.

If the reefer still runs well and works as-is, consider recharging
it with an interim refrigerant and using it to cool the workshop
instead of gutting it, and you can get a separate belt drive
compressor head with a constant-run unloader to provide shop air. You
could even rig a small alternator for emergency power and lighting.

If you want to reuse the old refrigeration compressor as an air
compressor you can use the same oil, or flush it and go to
conventional mineral based air compressor oil. But you will need to
add an oil separator on the air output line that will be plumbed to
send the oil back to the compressor crankcase via the air inlet (after
the air filter). And be prepared to see more oil carry-over that gets
past the separator and into the air receiver condensate drain-off.

Refrigeration didn't worry about oil carry-over around the piston
rings, because it's a closed system and the oil would come right back
in a minute after making a lap around the system. But you are turning
it into an open system, so you have to be aware of this.

-- Bruce --

bear writes:

Anything special about the compressor oil or its characteristics?

Old R-12 or R-22 units used mineral oil. Like you buy to drink at the
pharmacy. Not hazardous.

Newer R-134a units use PAG or POE lubricant. Not so nice.

On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 10:30:44 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, bear
quickly quoth:

Ok, there is metal content.

I managed to get a former refrigerated trailer, that was last used as
a rental storage unit... anyhow it has a small diesel engine (nice!)
directly coupled to what looks like a two lung compressor.

Now here's the question, WHAT is/was used as lubricant for the
compressor unit??

This is a 30 year old trailer - so whatever was used then is
most likely in there now.

Back in the day, I did auto A/C repair. We used a special refrigerant
oil which was absolutely moisture-free. It circulates within the
system and does not evaporate in air any more than engine oil does.


The problem is that the a-hole "code enforcement" person is
telling me that it represents a "hazardous material". I think
he is likely talking out of the wrong hole - but I prefer to slam
dunk people like that with insurmountable evidence and facts, arguing
with idiots is a waste of time and energy.

He's probably confusing freon with oil. Ask for his specific complaint
in writing so you'll know how to deal with it.


Anyone KNOW what the stuff is, what trade names are typical?
That way I can get the MSDS for it.

Oil is oil, http://buy1.snapon.com/msds/pdfs/msds1516.pdf
but see below, too.


I'd think there's maybe a quart or so in it??

Anything special about the compressor oil or its characteristics?
Like will it evaporate in open air or some such thing??

The one special character it has is that it's anhydrous. Oops, I sit
corrected. (Too lazy to stand.) This link says that a/c oil might
become contaminated with deadly chlorine (prolly as deadly as the
asbestos in your popcorn ceiling or the lead in your paint, eh?).
Dispose of it properly. http://www.p2pays.org/ref/13/12346.pdf

--
An idealist believes the short run doesn't count. A cynic believes
the long run doesn't matter. A realist believes that what is done
or left undone in the short run determines the long run.
-- Sydney J. Harris

On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 16:30:35 -0600, with neither quill nor qualm,
Richard J Kinch quickly quoth:

bear writes:

Anything special about the compressor oil or its characteristics?

Old R-12 or R-22 units used mineral oil. Like you buy to drink at the
pharmacy. Not hazardous.

No, you can't buy it at the pharmacy, Richard.
It's a specially formulated, light, anhydrous (mineral)oil.


Newer R-134a units use PAG or POE lubricant. Not so nice.

30 years old indicates an old R-12 oil.

--
An idealist believes the short run doesn't count. A cynic believes
the long run doesn't matter. A realist believes that what is done
or left undone in the short run determines the long run.
-- Sydney J. Harris

Larry Jaques writes:

No, you can't buy it at the pharmacy, Richard.
It's a specially formulated, light, anhydrous (mineral)oil.

Mineral oil is indeed sold at pharmacies for human consumption. Light and
anhydrous, just like the lubricant for R-12.

There's nothing "specially formulated" about mineral oil for A/C. Unless
you believe product-puffing labels.

"bear" wrote in message
...
Ok, there is metal content.

I managed to get a former refrigerated trailer, that was last used as
a rental storage unit... anyhow it has a small diesel engine (nice!)
directly coupled to what looks like a two lung compressor.

Now here's the question, WHAT is/was used as lubricant for the
compressor unit??

This is a 30 year old trailer - so whatever was used then is
most likely in there now.

The problem is that the a-hole "code enforcement" person is
telling me that it represents a "hazardous material". I think
he is likely talking out of the wrong hole - but I prefer to slam
dunk people like that with insurmountable evidence and facts, arguing
with idiots is a waste of time and energy.

Anyone KNOW what the stuff is, what trade names are typical?
That way I can get the MSDS for it.

I'd think there's maybe a quart or so in it??

Anything special about the compressor oil or its characteristics?
Like will it evaporate in open air or some such thing??

HELP!!

_-_-bear

The real problem is that you don't know what the oil is. It is easy to come
up with a manual or something that tells what the oil should be, but that
doesn't mean that's what's in it.

I knew a guy who had a business reconditioning used farm equipment. He, of
course, bought oil by the barrel. Somebody backed a tractor into a 55
gallon drum that had, maybe, fifteen or twenty gallons left in it. He was
required to dig out all the "contaminated" dirt and ship it to a "certified"
landfill three states away. Then, one fine day, the local oil dealer was
delivering him a barrel and dropped it off the truck and busted it. But
that was OK. No special "cleanup" was required. The reason, legally, was
that this new barrel was sealed and, therefore, its contents were known and
could be certified as to their characteristics. A barrel that had been
opened legally contained an "unknown" substance and, therefore, had to be
dealt with as highly hazardous.

Just your tax dollars at work...

Jerry

On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 23:30:02 -0600, Richard J Kinch
wrote:

Larry Jaques writes:

No, you can't buy it at the pharmacy, Richard.
It's a specially formulated, light, anhydrous (mineral)oil.

Mineral oil is indeed sold at pharmacies for human consumption. Light and
anhydrous, just like the lubricant for R-12.

There's nothing "specially formulated" about mineral oil for A/C. Unless
you believe product-puffing labels.
Double extra virgin mineral oil anyone?
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 19:29:23 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:
On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 10:30:44 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, bear
quickly quoth:

Ok, there is metal content.

I managed to get a former refrigerated trailer, that was last used as
a rental storage unit... anyhow it has a small diesel engine (nice!)
directly coupled to what looks like a two lung compressor.

Now here's the question, WHAT is/was used as lubricant for the
compressor unit??

This is a 30 year old trailer - so whatever was used then is
most likely in there now.

Back in the day, I did auto A/C repair. We used a special refrigerant
oil which was absolutely moisture-free. It circulates within the
system and does not evaporate in air any more than engine oil does.

Plain mineral oil based refrigeration oil. The only thing that made
it "special" was in the preparation and storage to keep it clean and
moisture-free, and it had a specified ISO weight and chemical
compatibilities.

-- Bruce --

On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 02:48:17 -0500, Gerald Miller
wrote:

On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 23:30:02 -0600, Richard J Kinch
wrote:

Larry Jaques writes:

No, you can't buy it at the pharmacy, Richard.
It's a specially formulated, light, anhydrous (mineral)oil.

Mineral oil is indeed sold at pharmacies for human consumption. Light and
anhydrous, just like the lubricant for R-12.

There's nothing "specially formulated" about mineral oil for A/C. Unless
you believe product-puffing labels.
Double extra virgin mineral oil anyone?
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada


Made from only the best virgin billets.


Gunner



"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

In article ,
"Stuart & Kathryn Fields" wrote:

Hey Bear: How about forcing the "Code Enforcement Nazi" to produce the
evidence that the material qualifies as hazardous. Those folks throw their
weight around and we have to jump thru hoops. Lets get them to do some hoop
jumping. They are getting paid.

You have it all backwards, with the EPA you are guilty as charged and
can be fined ("assessed") millions and have NO right to jury trial or
even to suppeona witness in your behalf. My brother, an elderly
disabled farmer, just went through all this and could not get any
newspaper or civil rights organization to report on these abuses.

Free men own guns - www(dot)geocities(dot)com/CapitolHill/5357/

On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 23:30:02 -0600, with neither quill nor qualm,
Richard J Kinch quickly quoth:

Larry Jaques writes:

No, you can't buy it at the pharmacy, Richard.
It's a specially formulated, light, anhydrous (mineral)oil.

Mineral oil is indeed sold at pharmacies for human consumption. Light and
anhydrous, just like the lubricant for R-12.

Proven by research to do harm to the person consuming it. Not
recommended.


There's nothing "specially formulated" about mineral oil for A/C. Unless
you believe product-puffing labels.

Whatever. Put it in yours, not mine, thanks.

--
An idealist believes the short run doesn't count. A cynic believes
the long run doesn't matter. A realist believes that what is done
or left undone in the short run determines the long run.
-- Sydney J. Harris

On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 06:39:34 -0600, with neither quill nor qualm, nick
hull quickly quoth:

In article ,
"Stuart & Kathryn Fields" wrote:

Hey Bear: How about forcing the "Code Enforcement Nazi" to produce the
evidence that the material qualifies as hazardous. Those folks throw their
weight around and we have to jump thru hoops. Lets get them to do some hoop
jumping. They are getting paid.

You have it all backwards, with the EPA you are guilty as charged and
can be fined ("assessed") millions and have NO right to jury trial or
even to suppeona witness in your behalf. My brother, an elderly
disabled farmer, just went through all this and could not get any
newspaper or civil rights organization to report on these abuses.

Nick, my neighbor's sister, a 70-something and legally -blind- lady,
works for the EPA in D.C. 'Nuff said?

--
An idealist believes the short run doesn't count. A cynic believes
the long run doesn't matter. A realist believes that what is done
or left undone in the short run determines the long run.
-- Sydney J. Harris

"nick hull" wrote in message
.. .
In article ,
"Stuart & Kathryn Fields" wrote:

Hey Bear: How about forcing the "Code Enforcement Nazi" to produce the
evidence that the material qualifies as hazardous. Those folks throw
their
weight around and we have to jump thru hoops. Lets get them to do some
hoop
jumping. They are getting paid.

You have it all backwards, with the EPA you are guilty as charged and
can be fined ("assessed") millions and have NO right to jury trial or
even to suppeona witness in your behalf. My brother, an elderly
disabled farmer, just went through all this and could not get any
newspaper or civil rights organization to report on these abuses.

Free men own guns - www(dot)geocities(dot)com/CapitolHill/5357/

Hey Nick: Can you provide me with all the details? Dates and EPA claims and
if possible names of the EPA agents? I'll send that to a Congressman who
claims to have our interests at heart.
Stu

Steve wrote:
bear wrote:
Ok, there is metal content.
open air or some such thing??

HELP!!

_-_-bear


ThermoKing or Carrier?
I may still have a ThermoKing manual around here somewhere, if that's
what it is.


Think it says ThermoKing on it... iirc...

I believe that - but today, a mas spec machine would point out the facts.
Simple test.

Martin
Martin H. Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
TSRA, Endowed; NRA LOH & Patron Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot's Medal.
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder
IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member.
http://lufkinced.com/


Jerry Foster wrote:
"bear" wrote in message
...
Ok, there is metal content.

I managed to get a former refrigerated trailer, that was last used as
a rental storage unit... anyhow it has a small diesel engine (nice!)
directly coupled to what looks like a two lung compressor.

Now here's the question, WHAT is/was used as lubricant for the
compressor unit??

This is a 30 year old trailer - so whatever was used then is
most likely in there now.

The problem is that the a-hole "code enforcement" person is
telling me that it represents a "hazardous material". I think
he is likely talking out of the wrong hole - but I prefer to slam
dunk people like that with insurmountable evidence and facts, arguing
with idiots is a waste of time and energy.

Anyone KNOW what the stuff is, what trade names are typical?
That way I can get the MSDS for it.

I'd think there's maybe a quart or so in it??

Anything special about the compressor oil or its characteristics?
Like will it evaporate in open air or some such thing??

HELP!!

_-_-bear

The real problem is that you don't know what the oil is. It is easy to come
up with a manual or something that tells what the oil should be, but that
doesn't mean that's what's in it.

I knew a guy who had a business reconditioning used farm equipment. He, of
course, bought oil by the barrel. Somebody backed a tractor into a 55
gallon drum that had, maybe, fifteen or twenty gallons left in it. He was
required to dig out all the "contaminated" dirt and ship it to a "certified"
landfill three states away. Then, one fine day, the local oil dealer was
delivering him a barrel and dropped it off the truck and busted it. But
that was OK. No special "cleanup" was required. The reason, legally, was
that this new barrel was sealed and, therefore, its contents were known and
could be certified as to their characteristics. A barrel that had been
opened legally contained an "unknown" substance and, therefore, had to be
dealt with as highly hazardous.

Just your tax dollars at work...

Jerry

Stuart & Kathryn Fields wrote:
Hey Bear: How about forcing the "Code Enforcement Nazi" to produce the
evidence that the material qualifies as hazardous. Those folks throw their
weight around and we have to jump thru hoops. Lets get them to do some hoop
jumping. They are getting paid.

Believe me, I will do just that, as soon as I have the facts irrefutably
correct first!

_-_-bear


Stu (Fed up with Building Code idiots.) Fields
wrote in message
...
On Mar 1, 8:30 am, bear wrote:
Ok, there is metal content.

I managed to get a former refrigerated trailer, that was last used as
a rental storage unit... anyhow it has a small diesel engine (nice!)
directly coupled to what looks like a two lung compressor.

Now here's the question, WHAT is/was used as lubricant for the
compressor unit??

This is a 30 year old trailer - so whatever was used then is
most likely in there now.

The problem is that the a-hole "code enforcement" person is
telling me that it represents a "hazardous material". I think
he is likely talking out of the wrong hole - but I prefer to slam
dunk people like that with insurmountable evidence and facts, arguing
with idiots is a waste of time and energy.

Anyone KNOW what the stuff is, what trade names are typical?
That way I can get the MSDS for it.

I'd think there's maybe a quart or so in it??

Anything special about the compressor oil or its characteristics?
Like will it evaporate in open air or some such thing??

HELP!!

_-_-bear

Typically, using Freon, the lubricating oil would be a highly refined
mineral oil, no additives. No hazard there other than the oil
itself. Would go in the oil recycling tank at the local parts joint.
Any refrigerant disolved in there would rapidly go away once it hits
normal air.

Are you looking to junk the unit or refurb it? To be legal, you'd
need to get someone involved to suction out what refrigerant is left
and they'd have to use a recycling unit compatible with whatever is in
there, mixing types just generates a tank of hazardous waste.
Probably what the green nazi was worried about.

Stan