17-7 PH stainless magnetic?
 

I'm having trouble finding out about the mill-supplied condition of 17-7 PH
stainless. The issue is a complicated one but it could be answered if anyone
has a piece of 17-7 PH stock and a magnet. If so, is it magnetic?

It can go either way; it depends on whether the stainless was left in the
mill-rolled condition before heat treatment. 17-7 PH is a "semi-austenitic"
grade that becomes martensitic (and thus magnetic) when it's cold-worked. If
it's magnetic, it was mill-rolled or otherwise cold-work and then solution
treated. If it's not, it was annealed in between those two steps.

Thanks, if anyone has a piece of the material and can see if a magnet sticks
to it.

--
Ed Huntress

17-7 PH stainless magnetic?
 

On Feb 25, 9:16 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
I'm having trouble finding out about the mill-supplied condition of 17-7 PH
stainless. The issue is a complicated one but it could be answered if anyone
has a piece of 17-7 PH stock and a magnet. If so, is it magnetic?

It can go either way; it depends on whether the stainless was left in the
mill-rolled condition before heat treatment. 17-7 PH is a "semi-austenitic"
grade that becomes martensitic (and thus magnetic) when it's cold-worked. If
it's magnetic, it was mill-rolled or otherwise cold-work and then solution
treated. If it's not, it was annealed in between those two steps.

Thanks, if anyone has a piece of the material and can see if a magnet sticks
to it.

--
Ed Huntress

The bar of 17-9 PH I have from McMasterCarr is very magnetic. It's in
the H900 state.

17-7 PH stainless magnetic?
 

"oldjag" wrote in message
...
On Feb 25, 9:16 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
I'm having trouble finding out about the mill-supplied condition of 17-7
PH
stainless. The issue is a complicated one but it could be answered if
anyone
has a piece of 17-7 PH stock and a magnet. If so, is it magnetic?

It can go either way; it depends on whether the stainless was left in the
mill-rolled condition before heat treatment. 17-7 PH is a
"semi-austenitic"
grade that becomes martensitic (and thus magnetic) when it's cold-worked.
If
it's magnetic, it was mill-rolled or otherwise cold-work and then
solution
treated. If it's not, it was annealed in between those two steps.

Thanks, if anyone has a piece of the material and can see if a magnet
sticks
to it.

--
Ed Huntress

The bar of 17-9 PH I have from McMasterCarr is very magnetic. It's in
the H900 state.

Hookay. Do you order this stuff regularly? If so, do you specify the H900
condition, or does it just come that way if you order 17-9 PH with no other
specification?

That's what I'm trying to find out. I'll try to find a good supplier when I
get to it and ask, but somebody's asking me what the "normal" condition of
the stuff is, as it's delivered by the mill, if you just specify 17-7 PH. I
haven't handled the stuff for over 20 years and I don't know.

Thanks for that info, though, regardless.

--
Ed Huntress

17-7 PH stainless magnetic?
 

On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:16:34 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

I'm having trouble finding out about the mill-supplied condition of 17-7 PH
stainless. The issue is a complicated one but it could be answered if anyone
has a piece of 17-7 PH stock and a magnet. If so, is it magnetic?

I don't have a piece, at least not one that I'd trust the ID on. But
according to an Armco pamphlet I have here, 17-7 comes from the mill
in either condition A or C. A is mill annealed and non-magnetic, C is
heavily cold worked and magnetic. Condition C is required as a
starting point for treating to Condition CH900, which is the state
with highest tensile properties.

--
Ned Simmons

17-7 PH stainless magnetic?
 

I wanted the H900 condition as it being used for a tool to cut mild
steel bolts, screws etc. underwater. McMaster seems to have it in
most flavors, probably at a bit higher price than if you purchased
from a steel supplier in quantity.

17-7 PH stainless magnetic?
 

On Feb 25, 8:40 pm, oldjag wrote:
I wanted the H900 condition as it being used for a tool to cut mild
steel bolts, screws etc. underwater. McMaster seems to have it in
most flavors, probably at a bit higher price than if you purchased
from a steel supplier in quantity.


McMaster gets some clinkers.

I ordered some 4140 bar stock, supposedly annealed. Machined rather
poorly. Made the part, delivered to the happy customer. It was a one
off gib that had been lost on a BP size mil (KO)l. I was in a hurry.

Well it finally bugged me to the point of measuring the hardness.
IIRC it was ~20Rc, not quite pre-hard, but much harder than annealed.
McMaster can't measure every incoming part, so I don't blame them, but
**** happens.
DJ

17-7 PH stainless magnetic?
 

"Ned Simmons" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:16:34 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

I'm having trouble finding out about the mill-supplied condition of 17-7
PH
stainless. The issue is a complicated one but it could be answered if
anyone
has a piece of 17-7 PH stock and a magnet. If so, is it magnetic?

I don't have a piece, at least not one that I'd trust the ID on. But
according to an Armco pamphlet I have here, 17-7 comes from the mill
in either condition A or C. A is mill annealed and non-magnetic, C is
heavily cold worked and magnetic. Condition C is required as a
starting point for treating to Condition CH900, which is the state
with highest tensile properties.

--
Ned Simmons

Aha! That's exactly what I need. Thanks, Ned.

--
Ed Huntress

17-7 PH stainless magnetic?
 

On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:36:37 -0800 (PST), with neither quill nor
qualm, Mechanical Magic quickly quoth:

On Feb 25, 8:40 pm, oldjag wrote:
I wanted the H900 condition as it being used for a tool to cut mild
steel bolts, screws etc. underwater. McMaster seems to have it in
most flavors, probably at a bit higher price than if you purchased
from a steel supplier in quantity.


McMaster gets some clinkers.

I ordered some 4140 bar stock, supposedly annealed. Machined rather
poorly. Made the part, delivered to the happy customer. It was a one
off gib that had been lost on a BP size mil (KO)l. I was in a hurry.

Well it finally bugged me to the point of measuring the hardness.
IIRC it was ~20Rc, not quite pre-hard, but much harder than annealed.
McMaster can't measure every incoming part, so I don't blame them, but
**** happens.
DJ

So tell McMaster and have them ask their supplier to replace your
cutter--at the supplier's cost.

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