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lathe accident link..... It will make you sick if you look at thepics
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lathe accident link..... It will make you sick if you look at thepics
On Feb 8, 9:52 pm, Clark Magnuson wrote:
http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/showthread.php?t=27486 I'm just trying to figure out exactly what happened. It looks as though his shirt got caught (it was likely quite cold, since he appears to be wearing multiple layers of sweaters, and the layers of clothing probably contributed), and due to the size of the lathe it was able to bodily pull him into and UNDER the chuck and workpiece. I think most of the mess is due to what appears to be a complete amputation of the left arm above the shoulder, likely due to the chuck. The torso is nearly bisected from the force of the spinning chuck. If he had been merely pulled into the rotating work, he might have suffered a limb amputation or other injury, but probably would have been permanently disabled rather than killed. It looks like that massive chuck did the damage. I think the key to analyzing industrial accidents is trying to determine what could have been done to prevent the situation from occurring. In this case, a chuck guard would have protected him from that danger that the spinning chuck posed. Other than careful warnings about excessive clothing and proximity to the workpiece, I doubt that much could have prevented the actual initial grabbing of the clothes. I hope that these images can help prevent a future machinist from falling victim to a similar accident. ww88 |
lathe accident link..... It will make you sick if you look at the pics
Cripes that's disgusting!
Thank you for posting it. It should be required viewing for anybody considering purchase of a new or used lathe. When I was TDY to the Philippines in the 80's, the "Sparrow" terrorists killed a couple of GIs. It happened off-base in Angeles City, a couple of blocks from our hotel. The Stars and Stripes ran a picture of the young vioctim's body laying in the street. There was an uproar about publishing the picture, and the gist of most of the whining was: "it's too upsetting" I was personally pleased that the public was able to get the real effect of what terrorists do, and the "danger" we were in. Sometimes, a picture is worth 10,000 words. Mark "Clark Magnuson" wrote in message . .. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/showthread.php?t=27486 |
lathe accident link..... It will make you sick if you look atthe pics
Clark Magnuson wrote:
http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/showthread.php?t=27486 Sickenly sad viewing experience. But it reminded me that: I got lucky about 60 years ago when I was in a middle school machine shop class and was using a flat file to smooth the handle for my "hammer project" while it was spinning between centers in a lathe. I didn't pay attention to what I was doing and the left sleeve of the long sleeved shop coat I was wearing snagged the lathe dog screw head. One of those angels who almost (but not always) look out for teenagers must have liked me because all that happened was that the coat's sleeve ripped off and wound around the dog, without harming me at all. Why the Hell the instructor let us wear those shop coats with long sleeves I'll never understand. I never forgot that experience and that's probably why to this date I can't remember any time I've injured myself working with rotating machinery. The shop class hammer project got completed OK, and I still have it hanging in my basement workshop: http://home.comcast.net/~jwisnia18/temp/hammer1.jpg J.R. Williams devoted one of his "Bull Of The Woods" cartoons to this subject: http://home.comcast.net/~jwisnia18/temp/BW001.jpg Jeff P.S. I've got about 50 "Bull Of The Woods" cartoons on my drive. If there's one in particular you remember and would like a copy of describe it in an email to me. If I have it, it's yours. -- Jeffry Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE) The speed of light is 1.98*10^14 fathoms per fortnight. |
lathe accident link..... It will make you sick if you look at the pics
On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:18:48 -0500, Jeff Wisnia
wrote: The shop class hammer project got completed OK, and I still have it hanging in my basement workshop: http://home.comcast.net/~jwisnia18/temp/hammer1.jpg I can see why. it's an elegant little hammer. |
lathe accident link..... It will make you sick if you look at the pics
Nice looking hammer Jeff. The NEMES show is next Saturday, hope to see you there! Errol Groff On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:18:48 -0500, Jeff Wisnia wrote: Clark Magnuson wrote: http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/showthread.php?t=27486 Sickenly sad viewing experience. But it reminded me that: I got lucky about 60 years ago when I was in a middle school machine shop class and was using a flat file to smooth the handle for my "hammer project" while it was spinning between centers in a lathe. I didn't pay attention to what I was doing and the left sleeve of the long sleeved shop coat I was wearing snagged the lathe dog screw head. One of those angels who almost (but not always) look out for teenagers must have liked me because all that happened was that the coat's sleeve ripped off and wound around the dog, without harming me at all. Why the Hell the instructor let us wear those shop coats with long sleeves I'll never understand. I never forgot that experience and that's probably why to this date I can't remember any time I've injured myself working with rotating machinery. The shop class hammer project got completed OK, and I still have it hanging in my basement workshop: http://home.comcast.net/~jwisnia18/temp/hammer1.jpg J.R. Williams devoted one of his "Bull Of The Woods" cartoons to this subject: http://home.comcast.net/~jwisnia18/temp/BW001.jpg Jeff P.S. I've got about 50 "Bull Of The Woods" cartoons on my drive. If there's one in particular you remember and would like a copy of describe it in an email to me. If I have it, it's yours. |
lathe accident link..... It will make you sick if you look at the pics
woodworker88 wrote:
I think the key to analyzing industrial accidents is trying to determine what could have been done to prevent the situation from occurring. In this case, a chuck guard would have protected him from that danger that the spinning chuck posed. Other than careful warnings about excessive clothing and proximity to the workpiece, I doubt that much could have prevented the actual initial grabbing of the clothes. It sucks to end ones life as a warning to others. Sleeves, long hair, or gloves around rotating elements is a formula for disaster. My manager was giving me crap for not using a speaker mic plugged into my walkie talkie. I told him there is no frigging way I'm wearing something that can fall into moving machinery. When he gave me static, I told him to call in osha for an opinion. That shut him up. Wes |
lathe accident link..... It will make you sick if you look atthe pics
Was this manager someone that ever worked on a lathe or mill?
Sure as hell doesn't sound like it. Wes wrote: My manager was giving me crap for not using a speaker mic plugged into my walkie talkie. I told him there is no frigging way I'm wearing something that can fall into moving machinery. |
lathe accident link..... It will make you sick if you look at thepics
On Feb 10, 12:12 pm, Wes wrote:
It sucks to end ones life as a warning to others. Indeed Sleeves, long hair, or gloves around rotating elements is a formula for disaster. My manager was giving me crap for not using a speaker mic plugged into my walkie talkie. I told him there is no frigging way I'm wearing something that can fall into moving machinery. When he gave me static, I told him to call in osha for an opinion. That shut him up. Good idea. I've had a couple of those moments. |
lathe accident link..... It will make you sick if you look at thepics
On Feb 9, 2:18 pm, Jeff Wisnia wrote:
Why the Hell the instructor let us wear those shop coats with long sleeves I'll never understand. I prefer a tight-fitting long apron, tied in the back, with short sleeves underneath. I also try to avoid working on the lathe with the chuck jaws extending out past the body of the chuck. With a smooth chuck body, if you should accidentally touch your hand or arm to it while spinning, it will just pass over. Extending chuck jaws, on the other hand, would not be a good idea! |
lathe accident link..... It will make you sick if you look at the ?pics
--This reminds me: if you're trying to keep, say, cast iron dust off of
the ways DO NOT put a shop rag on the ways as it might snag and begin a Very Bad Day for you. Instead use aluminum foil; if it gets snagged by a protruding chuck jaw it'll just tear a strip off, no harm done.. -- "Steamboat Ed" Haas : The impeachment process Hacking the Trailing Edge! : exists for a reason... www.nmpproducts.com ---Decks a-wash in a sea of words--- |
lathe accident link..... It will make you sick if you look at the ?pics
steamer wrote:
--This reminds me: if you're trying to keep, say, cast iron dust off of the ways DO NOT put a shop rag on the ways as it might snag and begin a Very Bad Day for you. Instead use aluminum foil; if it gets snagged by a protruding chuck jaw it'll just tear a strip off, no harm done.. Overlaping pieces of aluminum foil act as sliding way covers. Really nice if you are using a tool post grinder. Wes |
lathe accident link..... It will make you sick if you look at the pics
"Clark Magnuson" wrote in message . .. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/showthread.php?t=27486 Wow...... When I apprenticed in a shop in H.S. to earn a few bucks one of the older grumpy guys "Red buttoned" my lathe, came over to me and tore into my ass for wearing a heavy flannel shirt with the sleeves rolled down. After a slap to the back of the head and a reminder of stuff like this happening (Apparently he saw an accident while at Boeing where a lathe ate a guy like this) The dude never liked me but after seeing this, he may have just saved my life. Flashback to that day. But if your gonna go, might as well be doing what you like... Rob |
lathe accident link..... It will make you sick if you look at the pics
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:49:47 -0600, Rob Fraser FraserRacing wrote:
The dude never liked me but after seeing this, he may have just saved my life. Flashback to that day. But if your gonna go, might as well be doing what you like... I'm not sure that being beaten to death around a rotating axle is anyone's idea of "doing what they like". I was first on scene as an EMT to a farmer who had got himself caught in his tractor's PTO shaft. Only thing I could "do for him" was to pull the killswitch on the tractor, and wait for the coroner to take over the scene. About the same as the lathe accident in question, more or less, at least in end result. Only good thing about the scene, I guess, is that I didn't need to notify the family that he couldn't be helped. That sucked. A lot. Roll up your sleeves, guys. |
lathe accident link..... It will make you sick if you look at the pics
I love to see stuff like this. It is a part of life (no pun intended) and
is serves as a shocking reminder to me to realize what I am dealing with. It is like the matchbox size car on the side of the road that some agency/entity placed there to wake us up as to what can happen if we are even slightly careless. The media doesn't want us to see it because they live in a different and perfect universe than I. There is no such thing as 'closure'. There is such a thing as folly when counseling students to make them not 'feel'. Hell, feeling is a part of life. Grief and joy are unique to us animals. j/b "Dave Hinz" wrote in message ... On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:49:47 -0600, Rob Fraser FraserRacing wrote: The dude never liked me but after seeing this, he may have just saved my life. Flashback to that day. But if your gonna go, might as well be doing what you like... I'm not sure that being beaten to death around a rotating axle is anyone's idea of "doing what they like". I was first on scene as an EMT to a farmer who had got himself caught in his tractor's PTO shaft. Only thing I could "do for him" was to pull the killswitch on the tractor, and wait for the coroner to take over the scene. About the same as the lathe accident in question, more or less, at least in end result. Only good thing about the scene, I guess, is that I didn't need to notify the family that he couldn't be helped. That sucked. A lot. Roll up your sleeves, guys. |
lathe accident link..... It will make you sick if you look at the pics
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:59:03 -0600, with neither quill nor qualm,
"jusme" quickly quoth: I love to see stuff like this. It is a part of life (no pun intended) and is serves as a shocking reminder to me to realize what I am dealing with. It is like the matchbox size car on the side of the road that some agency/entity placed there to wake us up as to what can happen if we are even slightly careless. I wonder if things like this might help put 48V automotive electrical systems in better perspective for some of our more safety-oriented (aka "paranoid"?) folks. ;) -- SALMON -- The Other Pink Meat |
lathe accident link..... It will make you sick if you look at the pics
"Clark Magnuson" wrote in message
. .. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/showthread.php?t=27486 Sick photos... But shows why you should never go near those things with long sleeves, gloves, long hair, etc... Be warned that the photos are more like a slaughterhouse photo set than anythign else I can think of right now... -- Regards, Joe Agro, Jr. (800) 871-5022 01.908.542.0244 Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com V8013-R |
lathe accident link..... It will make you sick if you look atthe pics
Rob Fraser wrote:
.. But if your gonna go, might as well be doing what you like... As long as they don't put it on television- "Oh, he was in the lead and caught his sleeve in the work. What did it look like from down there, Bobby?" |
lathe accident link..... It will make you sick if you look at the pics
Is this accident in the news anywhere? Just wondering because I know some
do experiments with corpses and the body doesn't look very fresh to me. Of course it could be just the time between the accident and the pictures but some parts of the picture look like it just happened but the body doesn't look like the person just died. Kind of makes me wonder if this was a real accident or a safety study of some sort. If it was a real accident, there should be a news story or obituary notice somewhere. "Clark Magnuson" wrote in message . .. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/showthread.php?t=27486 |
lathe accident link..... It will make you sick if you look at the pics
Hi All
I have an 18" chuck on an old VDF lathe with 10 KW pushing it along. Every time I turn it on I see those photos. It now scares the crap out of me. And so it should. This was no setup it was a real accident. Here It Is http://www.nclabor.com/news/ledger/04NovDec.pdf Yours Faithfully John McNamara Australia. "Roger_N" wrote in message ... Is this accident in the news anywhere? Just wondering because I know some do experiments with corpses and the body doesn't look very fresh to me. Of course it could be just the time between the accident and the pictures but some parts of the picture look like it just happened but the body doesn't look like the person just died. Kind of makes me wonder if this was a real accident or a safety study of some sort. If it was a real accident, there should be a news story or obituary notice somewhere. "Clark Magnuson" wrote in message . .. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/showthread.php?t=27486 |
lathe accident link..... It will make you sick if you look at the pics
Thanks for the link! I was hoping that it was a safety experiment instead
of an actual life lost to a lathe accident. I think these pictues could do more than any safety talk could do. I know I'll pay more attention to loose clothing or anything else that can hang up in a rotating spindle. "Anon" wrote in message ... Hi All I have an 18" chuck on an old VDF lathe with 10 KW pushing it along. Every time I turn it on I see those photos. It now scares the crap out of me. And so it should. This was no setup it was a real accident. Here It Is http://www.nclabor.com/news/ledger/04NovDec.pdf Yours Faithfully John McNamara Australia. "Roger_N" wrote in message ... Is this accident in the news anywhere? Just wondering because I know some do experiments with corpses and the body doesn't look very fresh to me. Of course it could be just the time between the accident and the pictures but some parts of the picture look like it just happened but the body doesn't look like the person just died. Kind of makes me wonder if this was a real accident or a safety study of some sort. If it was a real accident, there should be a news story or obituary notice somewhere. "Clark Magnuson" wrote in message . .. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/showthread.php?t=27486 |
lathe accident link..... It will make you sick if you look at the pics
Me, too, Roger.
I was using the lathe today and while most gruesome, I think my viewing of the pictures makes me more careful. We are too insulated and squeamish about such stuff. It is sad and unfortunate but S___ happens and we'd damn well be informed about the occasional fluke lest it grab us. j/b "Roger_N" wrote in message ... Thanks for the link! I was hoping that it was a safety experiment instead of an actual life lost to a lathe accident. I think these pictues could do more than any safety talk could do. I know I'll pay more attention to loose clothing or anything else that can hang up in a rotating spindle. "Anon" wrote in message ... Hi All I have an 18" chuck on an old VDF lathe with 10 KW pushing it along. Every time I turn it on I see those photos. It now scares the crap out of me. And so it should. This was no setup it was a real accident. Here It Is http://www.nclabor.com/news/ledger/04NovDec.pdf Yours Faithfully John McNamara Australia. "Roger_N" wrote in message ... Is this accident in the news anywhere? Just wondering because I know some do experiments with corpses and the body doesn't look very fresh to me. Of course it could be just the time between the accident and the pictures but some parts of the picture look like it just happened but the body doesn't look like the person just died. Kind of makes me wonder if this was a real accident or a safety study of some sort. If it was a real accident, there should be a news story or obituary notice somewhere. "Clark Magnuson" wrote in message . .. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/showthread.php?t=27486 |
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